Lawsuit(s) mediation tomorrow May 19

[Loyal Coug1]

This is a problem that predates Schulz. Particularly with regard to athletics, WSU has had no imagination since...ever.

Academically, I'm not really sure where the problem started. Com, business, engineering, and vet were still pretty strong in the late 90s/early 2000s, but it appears that they stopped evolving at about that time. Not sure why, but some theories:

- Business is a program that nearly everyone who hands out diplomas offers, so it might have just wilted under a flooded market. Well, that and the proliferation of live evidence that you don't need a college degree to succeed in business.
- Business may have also suffered from over-emphasis on niche, small-demand focuses like viticulture. Seriously, they built an entire building for a program that has like 30 kids in it.
- Com may have failed to follow the modern trend of making journalism entertainment instead of being news.
- No explanation for the fading of technical and scientific fields like engineering and vet...that's just a lack of development.
- Across the board, programs have suffered from a lowering of standards. As state support has faded, it has become more and more necessary for WSU to admit less and less qualified students just to get the tuition dollars. Less qualified students require more support, which costs more money, which means we need more dollars. Those students also mean more emphasis on faculty who spend more time teaching and less time in research, so they become less up to date with the latest trends and technology.

Only problem I have with your points is not needing a degree to succeed in business. Sure, a savvy entrepreneur type can build a business or be a good salesman or whatever, but if you want a career in something like Accounting (the biggest field by far when I went there) you have to have a degree. And I have been aced out of more than one job opportunity because I don't have a Masters/MBA. And as a side note, I will always argue for young people to have the campus experience to grow up and learn to interact with humans rather than their phones and laptops. If you are 35 and going for that degree, online is fine. If you are 18, not so much IMHO. (You didn't mention online degrees, just throwing that in there)

Viticulture is a huge field. Ask Walla Walla or the entire Yakima/Tri-Cities region. Real surprised if only 30 students are in it.

And yeah. Our student quality was on the rise under Rawlins, thanks in large part to massive marketing/PR efforts. "World Class, Face to Face" and all that. Under Floyd, it ended up starting to dip, in part due to increased diversity recruiting. Our Floyd-hired SA VP, a Hispanic man, went all out recruiting Hispanic kids. No problem there, but yeah academic quality and success suffered.

95, I'm pretty far removed from my WSU knowledge after all this time. Feel free to correct any of my points.

Unrelated, I was in Pullman this week and saw Ol Crimson Lager in a display along with some WSU branded wine at Safeway. At the time I wanted cold beer, and the display was not, so I didn't get any. I should have grabbed a half case for later, regret that now. Cool packaging.

 

[dgibbons]

Yes Gibby, I don't need a bloodsucking leach attorney to explain mediation confidentiality to me. But your points in general make sense. Although if the Regents have to sign off, wouldn't that require a meeting and thus public notice? Even if they meet and immediately go to executive session, I think they have to announce the meeting. Not sure about that though.

You seem to need it. Kind of like you need to be reminded that WSU and OSU had no interest in a reverse merger, and that CSU, SDSU, USU, FSU and BSU were quite willing to leave the others behind. And that the MWC would only get one satisfaction for members leaving, and not get paid poaching fees and exit fees.

It could be a regular meeting or a special meeting. Any action would have to be during regular session, with discussion of any settlement in executive session. You should have read that the Pac-2 have time on their side, so no reason to hurry.

Still got your wallet?

 

[Loyal Coug1]

You seem to need it. Kind of like you need to be reminded that WSU and OSU had no interest in a reverse merger, and that CSU, SDSU, USU, FSU and BSU were quite willing to leave the others behind. And that the MWC would only get one satisfaction for members leaving, and not get paid poaching fees and exit fees.

It could be a regular meeting or a special meeting. Any action would have to be during regular session, with discussion of any settlement in executive session. You should have read that the Pac-2 have time on their side, so no reason to hurry.

Still got your wallet?

I don't need to be reminded of anything. Yes the Pac-2 had no interest in the reverse merger (duh, that has been obvious for over a year now). A huge arrogant mistake that become more apparent with each passing day. I do hear in other places that some or all of the Traitors are feeling trepidation and maybe buyer's remorse right now.

And you and your "one satisfaction". We'll see how far that flies. Seems as if we agree that the Regents would have to call and publicly announce a meeting if they need to sign off.

Also, the Pac-2 has time on their side? How do you figure that? Clock is approaching midnight on getting that 8th member from the mighty Sun Belt, and the media deal is in the mix.

Finally, you sure are fixated on the wallet I lost 20 months ago. And yes I still have mine, full of cash. You want details of the mind-blowing sex I had last night with my young honey?

 

[chugspig]

 

[95coug]

Only problem I have with your points is not needing a degree to succeed in business. Sure, a savvy entrepreneur type can build a business or be a good salesman or whatever, but if you want a career in something like Accounting (the biggest field by far when I went there) you have to have a degree. And I have been aced out of more than one job opportunity because I don't have a Masters/MBA. And as a side note, I will always argue for young people to have the campus experience to grow up and learn to interact with humans rather than their phones and laptops. If you are 35 and going for that degree, online is fine. If you are 18, not so much IMHO. (You didn't mention online degrees, just throwing that in there)

Viticulture is a huge field. Ask Walla Walla or the entire Yakima/Tri-Cities region. Real surprised if only 30 students are in it.

And yeah. Our student quality was on the rise under Rawlins, thanks in large part to massive marketing/PR efforts. "World Class, Face to Face" and all that. Under Floyd, it ended up starting to dip, in part due to increased diversity recruiting. Our Floyd-hired SA VP, a Hispanic man, went all out recruiting Hispanic kids. No problem there, but yeah academic quality and success suffered.

95, I'm pretty far removed from my WSU knowledge after all this time. Feel free to correct any of my points.

Unrelated, I was in Pullman this week and saw Ol Crimson Lager in a display along with some WSU branded wine at Safeway. At the time I wanted cold beer, and the display was not, so I didn't get any. I should have grabbed a half case for later, regret that now. Cool packaging.

Viticulture is a big field regionally...but there aren't that many jobs in it.

As for business...I agree that an on-campus experience is better for younger students. But in the interest of economics, WSU has gone the other way. More and more classes are offered online, and I don't think you can even get an MBA on the physical campus anymore.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

This is not a surprise at all. You've been told that mediation is confidential. So, there is no reason to expect a press conference. It's entirely possible that the parties resolved some issues, but not others, that the talks went in a direction that was beyond settlement authority requiring one or both parties to confer with the various decision makers, that they've totally resolved all issues and need to get the various boards of regents for each school to sign off, or any number of other things.

Well stated, Gib. I suspect this is more or less where they are in the process. Would love to be a fly on the wall in that room and know exactly, but what you surmise almost has to have at least a partial explanation for what we've seen thus far.

 

[dgibbons]

I don't need to be reminded of anything. Yes the Pac-2 had no interest in the reverse merger (duh, that has been obvious for over a year now). A huge arrogant mistake that become more apparent with each passing day. I do hear in other places that some or all of the Traitors are feeling trepidation and maybe buyer's remorse right now.

And you and your "one satisfaction". We'll see how far that flies. Seems as if we agree that the Regents would have to call and publicly announce a meeting if they need to sign off.

Also, the Pac-2 has time on their side? How do you figure that? Clock is approaching midnight on getting that 8th member from the mighty Sun Belt, and the media deal is in the mix.

Finally, you sure are fixated on the wallet I lost 20 months ago. And yes I still have mine, full of cash. You want details of the mind-blowing sex I had last night with my young honey?

WSU and OSU being stuck in a conference with Wyoming, UNM, Nevada and Hawaii is apparently what you want to accomplish, because SDSU, CSU, FSU, USU and BSU took the opportunity to leave.

The Regents don't have to call a meeting. They have regular meetings already scheduled. The agenda would reflect some kind of action on a settlement.

The MWC having to pay UNLV and AFA money the MWC doesn't have is a bigger problem for the MWC than finding an 8th member is for the Pac. Texas State or whoever will take a full or close to it revenue share.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Only problem I have with your points is not needing a degree to succeed in business. Sure, a savvy entrepreneur type can build a business or be a good salesman or whatever, but if you want a career in something like Accounting (the biggest field by far when I went there) you have to have a degree. And I have been aced out of more than one job opportunity because I don't have a Masters/MBA. And as a side note, I will always argue for young people to have the campus experience to grow up and learn to interact with humans rather than their phones and laptops. If you are 35 and going for that degree, online is fine. If you are 18, not so much IMHO. (You didn't mention online degrees, just throwing that in there)

Viticulture is a huge field. Ask Walla Walla or the entire Yakima/Tri-Cities region. Real surprised if only 30 students are in it.

And yeah. Our student quality was on the rise under Rawlins, thanks in large part to massive marketing/PR efforts. "World Class, Face to Face" and all that. Under Floyd, it ended up starting to dip, in part due to increased diversity recruiting. Our Floyd-hired SA VP, a Hispanic man, went all out recruiting Hispanic kids. No problem there, but yeah academic quality and success suffered.

95, I'm pretty far removed from my WSU knowledge after all this time. Feel free to correct any of my points.

Unrelated, I was in Pullman this week and saw Ol Crimson Lager in a display along with some WSU branded wine at Safeway. At the time I wanted cold beer, and the display was not, so I didn't get any. I should have grabbed a half case for later, regret that now. Cool packaging.

V. Lane Rawlins was a trash university president. That guy doesn't understanding Branding or Marketing 101 and his attempt to kill the "Wazzu" nickname tells me everything I need to know: he's a certified dumb@ss.

But hey, he got his golf course, right?


Separate point about the WSU wine (just the plain bottle with the logo and a roman numeral): I believe a rotating vineyard does a WSU vintage bottle each year (if that's the label you're talking about?). Nice, fun collectors' item.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

V. Lane Rawlins was a trash university president. That guy doesn't understanding Branding or Marketing 101 and his attempt to kill the "Wazzu" nickname tells me everything I need to know: he's a certified dumb@ss.

But hey, he got his golf course, right?


Separate point about the WSU wine (just the plain bottle with the logo and a roman numeral): I believe a rotating vineyard does a WSU vintage bottle each year (if that's the label you're talking about?). Nice, fun collectors' item.

Yeah I should have grabbed both the 'Ol Crimson Lager and a bottle of wine to show off on the shelf, although I'm not much of a wine drinker, especially Cabernet. Didn't see what variety was in the bottles I saw.

I watched the WAZZU mess firsthand. It was pathetic. And spearheaded by our Marketing AVP, who wasn't a Coug. She didn't understand. I did get my hands on a WAZZU shirt that they had stuffed in a cabinet. Still have it somewhere.

 

[PeteTheChop]

This is a problem that predates Schulz. Particularly with regard to athletics, WSU has had no imagination since...ever.

Bill Moos pulling Mike Leach from the scrap heap wasn't a run of the mill hire, right?

 

[PeteTheChop]

WSU and OSU being stuck in a conference with Wyoming, UNM, Nevada and Hawaii is apparently what you want to accomplish, because SDSU, CSU, FSU, USU and BSU took the opportunity to leave.

The Regents don't have to call a meeting. They have regular meetings already scheduled. The agenda would reflect some kind of action on a settlement.

The MWC having to pay UNLV and AFA money the MWC doesn't have is a bigger problem for the MWC than finding an 8th member is for the Pac. Texas State or whoever will take a full or close to it revenue share.

Good info as usual DGib

Curious if an 8th football member is actually the intitial stopping point for the Pac 2.0 as OSU's AD from Spokane said last year that nine FB schools was the preferred number. Seems like UNLV and perhaps Texas State might remain the targets?

That would provide four home conference football games every year and leave just four non-conference games to plug into the schedule. Five non-conference games could be challenge, especially if there's any lasting fall-out from the catfight between the Pac-12 and MWC lady commissioners.

Could see a scenario where there would be October and even November games against FCS schools, which the SEC has done for many years. Not sure how those FCS games would play with the Pac-12 fan bases.

 

[PeteTheChop]

Finally, you sure are fixated on the wallet I lost 20 months ago. And yes I still have mine, full of cash. You want details of the mind-blowing sex I had last night with my young honey?

Sure she's a wonderful gal, but be careful out there.

They had a story on Nightline a few months back where some attractive young ladies took unsuspecting guys in their 50's, 60's and even 70's for all they were worth.

Those old codgers were in a tough spot without an easy way to recoup their losses

 

[CougSinceBirth]

Yeah I should have grabbed both the 'Ol Crimson Lager and a bottle of wine to show off on the shelf, although I'm not much of a wine drinker, especially Cabernet. Didn't see what variety was in the bottles I saw.

I watched the WAZZU mess firsthand. It was pathetic. And spearheaded by our Marketing AVP, who wasn't a Coug. She didn't understand. I did get my hands on a WAZZU shirt that they had stuffed in a cabinet. Still have it somewhere.

Finally was able to try the 'Ol Crimson lager when I was back in WA a few weeks ago. It's crushable, and a solid lager.

I found the current batch of that alumni association (Cougar Collectors' series) and looks like we're on Cougar XI. https://www.winebycougars.com/s/1613/18/interior.aspx?sid=1613&gid=2&pgid=11612

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Bill Moos pulling Mike Leach from the scrap heap wasn't a run of the mill hire, right?

That was under Floyd, not your pal Schulz.......

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Sure she's a wonderful gal, but be careful out there.

They had a story on Nightline a few months back where some attractive young ladies took unsuspecting guys in their 50's, 60's and even 70's for all they were worth.

Those old codgers were in a tough spot without an easy way to recoup their losses

Better pass that along to Bill Belichick. Rumor has it that he's engaged to his 24-year-old.

 

[mikalalas]

Well it is almost midday Thursday. Is it safe to assume that the mediation talks have failed and we are off to court?

If so, good job Teresa, etc. of pushing the issue back for who knows how long. (insert sarcasm emoji here). It'll really help in trying to secure our 8th team and I suppose the elusive media deal.

If Mediation hasn't reached a settlement by May 23rd, 24th, 25th, then Mediation will probably have failed, in that it would have failed to reach a in the middle settlement in a reasonable short period of time, causing Mediation or a court to be delayed long enough to endanger possibly missing deadlines.

PAC 12 can get either Texas St, New Mexico St, or already has them under lock, wraps, with a clause that let's the PAC 12 replace them with UNLV or Airforce or Memphis or Tulane, etc, if able, and if not, then Texas St, New Mexico St get added at full share, and then gets announced.

If that doesn't happen, there is also the remote possibility WSU, Ore St, PAC 12, etc, can make the case to the NCAA that MWC playing hard ball in the scheduling agreement, leveling poaching fees, the lawsuit, Mediation, mitigating circumstances, etc, prevented, made it harder for WSU, Ore St to make the July deadline for PAC 12 to be a conference, and that the conference should be allowed to finish lawsuit, Mediation, and then have a 2 to 4 to 6 month extension on the deadline to become a conference, so that the MWC can't use the approaching deadline to force PAC 12 to accept unfair, illegal poaching fees, etc.

That said, even if that happens, Teresa Gould has failed miserably.

Teresa Gould, and Lawyers, PAC 12 leadership should be able to reach a settlement, and move on. Failure to do so, some of the blame might be on MWC, especially if they are being unreasonable, not compromising, etc. But most to almost all of the blame should be on Teresa and her staff, legal team, leaders, etc, for lack of leadership, lack of negotiation skills.

Any competent leader, commish, etc, should be able, should have been able to easily not do the merger with MWC, talk MWC into not levying the poaching fees in the first place, getting the MWC 5, BSU, FSU, SDSU, Utah St, CSU, and 1 of either Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, UNLV, Texas St, etc, to join the PAC 12, etc.

No competent Commish should FCK everything up and FCK everything up this badly.

 

[UberCougars]

If Mediation hasn't reached a settlement by May 23rd, 24th, 25th, then Mediation will probably have failed, in that it would have failed to reach a in the middle settlement in a reasonable short period of time, causing Mediation or a court to be delayed long enough to endanger possibly missing deadlines.

PAC 12 can get either Texas St, New Mexico St, or already has them under lock, wraps, with a clause that let's the PAC 12 replace them with UNLV or Airforce or Memphis or Tulane, etc, if able, and if not, then Texas St, New Mexico St get added at full share, and then gets announced.

If that doesn't happen, there is also the remote possibility WSU, Ore St, PAC 12, etc, can make the case to the NCAA that MWC playing hard ball in the scheduling agreement, leveling poaching fees, the lawsuit, Mediation, mitigating circumstances, etc, prevented, made it harder for WSU, Ore St to make the July deadline for PAC 12 to be a conference, and that the conference should be allowed to finish lawsuit, Mediation, and then have a 2 to 4 to 6 month extension on the deadline to become a conference, so that the MWC can't use the approaching deadline to force PAC 12 to accept unfair, illegal poaching fees, etc.

That said, even if that happens, Teresa Gould has failed miserably.

Teresa Gould, and Lawyers, PAC 12 leadership should be able to reach a settlement, and move on. Failure to do so, some of the blame might be on MWC, especially if they are being unreasonable, not compromising, etc. But most to almost all of the blame should be on Teresa and her staff, legal team, leaders, etc, for lack of leadership, lack of negotiation skills.

Any competent leader, commish, etc, should be able, should have been able to easily not do the merger with MWC, talk MWC into not levying the poaching fees in the first place, getting the MWC 5, BSU, FSU, SDSU, Utah St, CSU, and 1 of either Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, UNLV, Texas St, etc, to join the PAC 12, etc.

No competent Commish should FCK everything up and FCK everything up this badly.

It doesn’t really matter as we’re really just like the waitstaff after a lavish wedding of the Big Beautiful People who are fighting over who gets to take home the table scraps.

 

[chugspig]

Just because Teresa Gould was just as bad of a Commish as Gloria, does not, did not make the decision not to merge bad.

Teresa Gould LOWBALLED Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA, Texas St, etc.

IF Teresa Gould had done her job right AFTER the decision not to Merge with MWC, the PAC 12 would probably have had BSU, Memphis, Tulane, USF, FSU, SDSU, WSU, Ore St, Utah St, UTSA, CSU, Gonzage, etc, and would have had about a 13 mil per team per year media deal, would have been the best conference behind Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, P4, and would have been a hybrid P5, G5 conference, would have gotten 3 to 5 to 7 mil per year from CFP, instead of just only 1.8 mil from CFP each year, and would have had conference champ goto CFP over all the other G5 champs, about 99% of time, and would have had the Alamo Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, etc, over, instead of the Famous Idaho Potato Head bowl for the MWC champ that doesn't goto CFP.

So because Teresa Gould blew it, The PAC 12 will have 1, and only 1 consistent bottom dweller trash team in either Texas St, or New Mexico St, over, instead of the 4,5 consistent bottom dweller trash teams, HAWAI, NEVADA, NEW MEXICO, UTEP, WYOMING.

Having only 1 trash team,(That the PAC 12 can get rid of later), instead of 5 MWC trash teams is better, best.

The decision not to merge was better, best, its just that Teresa Gould FCKED UP the low hanging fruit, best decision, that was to not merge with MWC.

I think you’re just frustrated with the timeline. We seemingly can’t do anything quickly, but that’s not how this works. Been a pretty shitty 2 years waiting and waiting for any stability. If the mediation was for just the poaching fees, I’d agree. But given there are multiple lawsuits, it’s not surprising we’re on day 5.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I think you’re just frustrated with the timeline. We seemingly can’t do anything quickly, but that’s not how this works. Been a pretty shitty 2 years waiting and waiting for any stability. If the mediation was for just the poaching fees, I’d agree. But given there are multiple lawsuits, it’s not surprising we’re on day 5.

Meh. The issues aren't that complex. By Day 5, you would think inquiring minds would at least hear some leaks or rumors. Decent mid-week article link below. One confusing comment was that July is the deadline to add our 8th team. I continue to think that the writer is confused, as July, 2025 would be the date that conference exit fees double for some, if not all, potential members. A bit different than a hard deadline to add a team. The June 1 deadline for the 5 traitors to submit formal notice is consistent with prior reporting.

MSN

In my humble but usually correct opinion, the MW isn't giving in very much. They have the upper hand, and The 5 have to be squirming. As well as the Pac-2. Our whole "under duress" argument is weak sauce. We managed to put together a (shitty) 2025 schedule on similar short notice. Could have done the same thing in 2024.

 

[mikalalas]

I think you’re just frustrated with the timeline. We seemingly can’t do anything quickly, but that’s not how this works. Been a pretty shitty 2 years waiting and waiting for any stability. If the mediation was for just the poaching fees, I’d agree. But given there are multiple lawsuits, it’s not surprising we’re on day 5.

Day 5 is not that big a deal. But if the mediation goes to day 7 to 10 to 13, May 23 to 25 to 27th, with no settlement, etc, then that would be a failure, big setback, big deal, etc.

The June and July deadlines are fast approaching and the PAC 12 desperately needs a settlement reached by 3,4,5 days before the June deadline at minimum, in order for the PAC 12 to meet the June deadline.

If the PAC 12 does not have a settlement reached, in place by 3,4 days before June 1st, and does not meet the June deadline, the PAC 12 is FCKED, SCREWED, and if that happens it will be Teresa Gould's fault, etc.

 

[chugspig]

Meh. The issues aren't that complex. By Day 5, you would think inquiring minds would at least hear some leaks or rumors. Decent mid-week article link below. One confusing comment was that July is the deadline to add our 8th team. I continue to think that the writer is confused, as July, 2025 would be the date that conference exit fees double for some, if not all, potential members. A bit different than a hard deadline to add a team. The June 1 deadline for the 5 traitors to submit formal notice is consistent with prior reporting.

MSN

In my humble but usually correct opinion, the MW isn't giving in very much. They have the upper hand, and The 5 have to be squirming. As well as the Pac-2. Our whole "under duress" argument is weak sauce. We managed to put together a (shitty) 2025 schedule on similar short notice. Could have done the same thing in 2024.

Maybe, who knows. That’s not what actual lawyers have said in interviews regarding their opinions on the situation, but hard to know who’s unbiased. At this point I hope we either crumble or they do and just get on with it.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Again I’m channeling Herb Cohen (from whose material I’ve taught negotiating classes for almost 40 years), but you won’t see concession behavior until the deadline. That is simply how it works…

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Maybe, who knows. That’s not what actual lawyers have said in interviews regarding their opinions on the situation, but hard to know who’s unbiased. At this point I hope we either crumble or they do and just get on with it.

I'm just not seeing it. As I've said before, I think that the MW has and knows they have strong cases on both fronts. Exit fees? The only thing at play is how much, given a history of negotiations in other conferences. Poaching fees? Just not seeing our side of it. Under duress? Why is that the MW's fault? They bailed us out, and in return we willingly signed an agreement to protect the MW from the Pac doing exactly what we ended up doing. Ok then, pay what you agreed to. And again, we cobbled together a schedule for 2025 on similar notice. Could/would have done the same in 2024.

Or, just did the reverse merger that was spelled out in the agreement as an end goal. Which we never pursued, never met with the MW on (per Teresa's own statements). Not a breach of contract, but a breach of intent and honesty.

 

[chugspig]

I'm just not seeing it. As I've said before, I think that the MW has and knows they have strong cases on both fronts. Exit fees? The only thing at play is how much, given a history of negotiations in other conferences. Poaching fees? Just not seeing our side of it. Under duress? Why is that the MW's fault? They bailed us out, and in return we willingly signed an agreement to protect the MW from the Pac doing exactly what we ended up doing. Ok then, pay what you agreed to. And again, we cobbled together a schedule for 2025 on similar notice. Could/would have done the same in 2024.

Or, just did the reverse merger that was spelled out in the agreement as an end goal. Which we never pursued, never met with the MW on (per Teresa's own statements). Not a breach of contract, but a breach of intent and honesty.

I didn’t know they included in the contract any written word on trying to reverse or standard merge. Interesting.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I didn’t know they included in the contract any written word on trying to reverse or standard merge. Interesting.

Yes they did. I read it. I have the PDF but it is a cluster to try to read. But it is there. Trust the Loyal One. It said "reverse merger". I'll try to lift the actual language.

Ok I pulled up the Scheduling agreement. It wouldn't let me copy and paste and fuzzed out on me. But Section 8.01 CLEARLY states the agreement to engage in good faith in reverse merger talks. Which the Pac-2 did not do. No discussions were ever had per Teresa's own words.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Some actual facts from Wilner for a change. Pretty sad.

Analysis: How Pac-12’s final tax filing offers clues to its demise

The Pac-12’s last federal tax filing from its prior existence offers myriad clues to its demise. From plunging revenue and gaudy executive pay to fiscal mismanagement and immense facility costs, the document is tantamount to an autopsy report.

www.spokesman.com

 

[Dave_86]

Yes they did. I read it. I have the PDF but it is a cluster to try to read. But it is there. Trust the Loyal One. It said "reverse merger". I'll try to lift the actual language.

Ok I pulled up the Scheduling agreement. It wouldn't let me copy and paste and fuzzed out on me. But Section 8.01 CLEARLY states the agreement to engage in good faith in reverse merger talks. Which the Pac-2 did not do. No discussions were ever had per Teresa's own words.

I have also seen the attempt to merge in good faith clause in the football scheduling agreement between the PAC-12 & MWC. I remember being absolutely appalled there was such a clause in the agreement.

 

[mikalalas]

New information that I saw, heard.

The Monty You Tube Show reported that Ore St's Scott Barnes just recently asked for Ore St to join either Big 12 or ACC. But he was not successful, or at least its suspected he wasn't successful.

They also reported that insider sources have said that there still isn't a media deal, and that there still isn't a 8th Football member, and that no 8th football member is locked up, under wraps, awaiting announcement, like a Texas St, New Mexico St, etc, and that there hasn't been any communication between PAC 12 and any 8th football member like a Texas St, New Mexico St recently.

They also reported what Loyal said, that the MWC 5 that left MWC to join PAC 12, haven't signed what they need to sign, haven't paid the $5000 notice fee, haven't given official notice to MWC, and that they have till June 1st to do so, and that they have buyers remorse, and dont want to do what they need to do to join PAC 12 until, unless PAC 12 media deal done, and 8th football member announced, etc. They said that if they don't do what they need to do to join the PAC 12 by June 1st deadline, they will go back to MWC, and the MWC will take them back, because they are the MWC's biggest brands.

They also said that MWC during mediation again offered a merger, and that the MWC 5 that joining PAC 12 want to accept that and Merge, but that that has been shot down, but they don't know by who, but suspects are Teresa Gould, Scott Barnes.

Now I have learned to take what Monty says with a healthy dose of a grain of salt, and skepticism, since he seems to come across as a pro MWC Homer, and anti PAC 12, and wrong almost about half the time, even tho he is right sometimes, etc.

But this time he is probably right as I read 1 credible article, and 1 semi credible article, that at least seems to back up report many to almost all of what Monty has said, reported.

If even half of this is true, and its likely that at least half of this is true, then the PAC 12 is FCKED, SCREWED, ETC, and WSU, and Ore St are FCKED, SCREWED, unless the MWC charitably takes them in after the PAC 12's FINAL DEMISE.

The BLAME for this is on BOTH Gloria, and Teresa, but is MORE Teresa's fault then Gloria's fault.

Its partially Gloria's fault because she charged excessive, exorbitant scheduling fee to PAC 12, played Hardball, charged illegal poaching fees, wouldn't kick out at least Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico in order to merge with PAC 12, and tried to force the PAC 12 to merge with Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, etc, instead of kicking Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, and then trying to merge. If she had done that,the PAC 12 WOULD HAVE MERGED WITH MWC.

It's MOSTLY Teresa Gould's fault tho. NOT MERGING WITH MWC WAS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Its just that Teresa Gould FCKED UP THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, EVERYTHING UP.

All Teresa had to do was get Octagon and a media deal sooner, NOT LOWBALL LOWBALL LOWBALL Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA. GUARANTEE that at least Tulane or UTSA would have joined, IF IF IF Memphis, USF didnt join, IF IF IF Teresa had offered REASONABLE 7 to 10 to 13 to 17 mill, FULL SHARE offers, instead of only 3 mill, half share offers to Memphis, and company, etc.

All Teresa had to do was NOT LOWBALL Texas St, New Mexico St. All she had to do was offer Texas St, or New Mexico St, 5 mil, FULL SHARE offers, then announce, then get the media deal finished.

All Teresa had to do was offer 1.5 mill, 1/2 share to SAC ST,and then announce it, etc.

All Teresa Gould had to do was to at least try talking to Gloria personally and say "Hey Gloria if you kick Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico out, and then Reverse Merge with the PAC 12 brand, we can all then help Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, by giving them each 5 to 25 million, and help them each join either the Sun Belt, or C-USA, and if do that, then will truly be the 5th best conference, will get at least 15, 16, 17 mil per team, per year media deal, will get 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 mil from CFP, better bowls games, the champ going to CFP 99% of time etc."

If Teresa had done those things, and not done the things that shouldn't have, then everything would have worked out.

So because of that merging wasn't necessary.

But as much as Teresa should be blamed, Schultz, Scott Barnes, etc, deserve even more of the blame, for NOT HIRING THAT OLIVER GUY OVER, INSTEAD OF TERESA GOULD.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

New information that I saw, heard.

The Monty You Tube Show reported that Ore St's Scott Barnes just recently asked for Ore St to join either Big 12 or ACC. But he was not successful, or at least its suspected he wasn't successful.

They also reported that insider sources have said that there still isn't a media deal, and that there still isn't a 8th Football member, and that no 8th football member is locked up, under wraps, awaiting announcement, like a Texas St, New Mexico St, etc, and that there hasn't been any communication between PAC 12 and any 8th football member like a Texas St, New Mexico St recently.

They also reported what Loyal said, that the MWC 5 that left MWC to join PAC 12, haven't signed what they need to sign, haven't paid the $5000 notice fee, haven't given official notice to MWC, and that they have till June 1st to do so, and that they have buyers remorse, and dont want to do what they need to do to join PAC 12 until, unless PAC 12 media deal done, and 8th football member announced, etc. They said that if they don't do what they need to do to join the PAC 12 by June 1st deadline, they will go back to MWC, and the MWC will take them back, because they are the MWC's biggest brands.

They also said that MWC during mediation again offered a merger, and that the MWC 5 that joining PAC 12 want to accept that and Merge, but that that has been shot down, but they don't know by who, but suspects are Teresa Gould, Scott Barnes.

Now I have learned to take what Monty says with a healthy dose of a grain of salt, and skepticism, since he seems to come across as a pro MWC Homer, and anti PAC 12, and wrong almost about half the time, even tho he is right sometimes, etc.

But this time he is probably right as I read 1 credible article, and 1 semi credible article, that at least seems to back up report many to almost all of what Monty has said, reported.

If even half of this is true, and its likely that at least half of this is true, then the PAC 12 is FCKED, SCREWED, ETC, and WSU, and Ore St are FCKED, SCREWED, unless the MWC charitably takes them in after the PAC 12's FINAL DEMISE.

The BLAME for this is on BOTH Gloria, and Teresa, but is MORE Teresa's fault then Gloria's fault.

Its partially Gloria's fault because she charged excessive, exorbitant scheduling fee to PAC 12, played Hardball, charged illegal poaching fees, wouldn't kick out at least Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico in order to merge with PAC 12, and tried to force the PAC 12 to merge with Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, etc, instead of kicking Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, and then trying to merge. If she had done that,the PAC 12 WOULD HAVE MERGED WITH MWC.

It's MOSTLY Teresa Gould's fault tho. NOT MERGING WITH MWC WAS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Its just that Teresa Gould FCKED UP THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, EVERYTHING UP.

All Teresa had to do was get Octagon and a media deal sooner, NOT LOWBALL LOWBALL LOWBALL Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA. GUARANTEE that at least Tulane or UTSA would have joined, IF IF IF Memphis, USF didnt join, IF IF IF Teresa had offered REASONABLE 7 to 10 to 13 to 17 mill, FULL SHARE offers, instead of only 3 mill, half share offers to Memphis, and company, etc.

All Teresa had to do was NOT LOWBALL Texas St, New Mexico St. All she had to do was offer Texas St, or New Mexico St, 5 mil, FULL SHARE offers, then announce, then get the media deal finished.

All Teresa had to do was offer 1.5 mill, 1/2 share to SAC ST,and then announce it, etc.

All Teresa Gould had to do was to at least try talking to Gloria personally and say "Hey Gloria if you kick Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico out, and then Reverse Merge with the PAC 12 brand, we can all then help Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, by giving them each 5 to 25 million, and help them each join either the Sun Belt, or C-USA, and if do that, then will truly be the 5th best conference, will get at least 15, 16, 17 mil per team, per year media deal, will get 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 mil from CFP, better bowls games, the champ going to CFP 99% of time etc."

If Teresa had done those things, and not done the things that shouldn't have, then everything would have worked out.

So because of that merging wasn't necessary.

But as much as Teresa should be blamed, Schultz, Scott Barnes, etc, deserve even more of the blame, for NOT HIRING THAT OLIVER GUY OVER, INSTEAD OF TERESA GOULD.

Glad to see you are finally starting to see things my way Mik. All paths to intelligent thought run through the All-Seeing, All-Knowing, Mighty Loyal One. The rest of you yahoos? I TOLD YOU SO.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Loyal, timing has a lot to do with how this ends up. But, as I stated on another thread, if I were negotiating this deal, I would be happy to have Texas state in my back pocket while I tried to get Las Vegas.

 

[Dave_86]

San Diego State AD J.D. Wicker thinks the mediation, naming of an 8th football playing member, and the media will all be announced by the end of June. Of course, this is the same guy that made similar promises 2 or 3 months ago.

John David Wicker's turn to talk

Some reporter in Las Vegas writes about the mediation:
Adam Hill: Silence probably a good thing for Mountain West, Pac-12 talks

Again, I'm a fan of Canzano & Wilner, not the Big Mountain Podcast, but the Big Mountain has put out a lot of stuff...
JY won't stop talking

Edit: no one thinks there's a serious chance of some kind of stupid merger taking place.

 

[mikalalas]

Loyal, timing has a lot to do with how this ends up. But, as I stated on another thread, if I were negotiating this deal, I would be happy to have Texas state in my back pocket while I tried to get Las Vegas.

Texas St is NOT locked up, under wraps, in PAC 12's back pocket, etc. That's according to both the articles I read, AND the Monty You Tube Show, that either say that, an or say that's extremely likely the case, according to their insider expert sources.

Even if PAC 12 has Texas St, etc, in back pocket, not announcing so to the MWC 5, an or not announcing it before the June 1st deadline, is going to cause the MWC 5 to NOT sign, not pay the $5000 notice fee, and go back to the MWC, thus killing the PAC 12 unless the PAC 12 does reverse merger, which either Teresa, or Scott Barnes, or both have shot down, so that a reverse merger won't be done.

READ, GET MY ABOVE POST THRU YOUR HEAD.

 

[mikalalas]

San Diego State AD J.D. Wicker thinks the mediation, naming of an 8th football playing member, and the media will all be announced by the end of June. Of course, this is the same guy that made similar promises 2 or 3 months ago.

John David Wicker's turn to talk

Some reporter in Las Vegas writes about the mediation:
Adam Hill: Silence probably a good thing for Mountain West, Pac-12 talks

Again, I'm a fan of Canzano & Wilner, not the Big Mountain Podcast, but the Big Mountain has put out a lot of stuff...
JY won't stop talking

Edit: no one thinks there's a serious chance of some kind of stupid merger taking place.

Of course he is going to say that in public. So he is going to say "Hey folks, we all have buyers remorse, and are going to go back to the MWC, if the PAC 12 don't settle mediation soon, and announce 8th football member soon, and announce media deal soon, by the June 1st deadline."

He is not going to do that. Instead he will put on a fake smile, say "Everything will all work out folks", then think to himself privately, personally "Man were we stupid to trust Teresa, I really hope that she gets her act together, and that get a 8th member, media deal, or we are not going to give notice, and will go back to the MWC."

Everybody needs to read my credibly SOURCED post, and accept it, and get it thru, into their heads.

Its extremely likely NOT wrong. Its very likely true. And I am not making what I saw, read, heard up, etc.

At the ultimate extreme minimum, WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS LIKELY FIRE.

 

[mikalalas]

San Diego State AD J.D. Wicker thinks the mediation, naming of an 8th football playing member, and the media will all be announced by the end of June. Of course, this is the same guy that made similar promises 2 or 3 months ago.

John David Wicker's turn to talk

Some reporter in Las Vegas writes about the mediation:
Adam Hill: Silence probably a good thing for Mountain West, Pac-12 talks

Again, I'm a fan of Canzano & Wilner, not the Big Mountain Podcast, but the Big Mountain has put out a lot of stuff...
JY won't stop talking

Edit: no one thinks there's a serious chance of some kind of stupid merger taking place.

As your John Wicker linked article points out and backs up what I have PARROTED what other sources have said, etc, the MWC 5 have NOT signed what they need to sign, and have not paid the $5000 notice fee, and have not given official notice that they required to give by JUNE 1st.

If everything was ok, then surely the MWC 5 would have done that by now. The fact that they haven't means they are waiting to the last second to see if everything works out, and if it does not work out by June 1st, then they will not leave MWC, and will go back to MWC, etc.

Also that's probably why Scott Barnes again approached Big 12, ACC and asked ACC, Big 12 again, just very recently, if Ore St can join Big 12, ACC.

If everything was fine, would he do that? NO, likely not.

The reason why Scott Barnes did that, is because he knows that everything is all FCKED UP, knows that MWC have buyers remorse, haven't given official notice, and won't give notice, and will return to MWC, and knows that Texas St, or another 8th football member won't join in time, knows that media deal won't get done in time, or that media deal be beans at something like 6.5 mil per team, per year, etc, etc, etc, and that he, Ore St, are determined to NOT be caught holding empty bag a 2nd time, not be homeless, etc, and so that's why he asked Big 12, ACC recently. If everything fine, he wouldn't have done that.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

As your John Wicker linked article points out and backs up what I have PARROTED what other sources have said, etc, the MWC 5 have NOT signed what they need to sign, and have not paid the $5000 notice fee, and have not given official notice that they required to give by JUNE 1st.

If everything was ok, then surely the MWC 5 would have done that by now. The fact that they haven't means they are waiting to the last second to see if everything works out, and if it does not work out by June 1st, then they will not leave MWC, and will go back to MWC, etc.

Also that's probably why Scott Barnes again approached Big 12, ACC and asked ACC, Big 12 again, just very recently, if Ore St can join Big 12, ACC.

If everything was fine, would he do that? NO, likely not.

The reason why Scott Barnes did that, is because he knows that everything is all FCKED UP, knows that MWC have buyers remorse, haven't given official notice, and won't give notice, and will return to MWC, and knows that Texas St, or another 8th football member won't join in time, knows that media deal won't get done in time, or that media deal be beans at something like 6.5 mil per team, per year, etc, etc, etc, and that he, Ore St, are determined to NOT be caught holding empty bag a 2nd time, not be homeless, etc, and so that's why he asked Big 12, ACC recently. If everything fine, he wouldn't have done that.

Go get 'em Mik. Happy to have you on Team Loyal.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

In other breaking news, Day 8(?) of mediation has resulting in - uh well - nothing. Is it only the Cerebral Loyal One who is getting a bit ancy?

Fire Teresa, or pay of the second year of her contract. Even at this point, do the reverse merger. Put my crush Gloria in charge. The Alaska/Hawaiian Air PacMtn Conference.. Maybe Hawaii will just stay FB-only. Maybe renege on NIU. Maybe set standards for the "bottom feeders" to achieve or risk expulsion.

Simple as that. By far the best of the G5. formidable BB lineup. Everybody wins.

 

[UberCougars]

In other breaking news, Day 8(?) of mediation has resulting in - uh well - nothing. Is it only the Cerebral Loyal One who is getting a bit ancy?

Fire Teresa, or pay of the second year of her contract. Even at this point, do the reverse merger. Put my crush Gloria in charge. The Alaska/Hawaiian Air PacMtn Conference.. Maybe Hawaii will just stay FB-only. Maybe renege on NIU. Maybe set standards for the "bottom feeders" to achieve or risk expulsion.

Simple as that. By far the best of the G5. formidable BB lineup. Everybody wins.

What is there to be “ancy” over? It’s not as if any network is standing by waiting to shower us with Big-10 money.

Is mediation binding? If not, what makes you think the losing side will accept the decision without going back to court?

 

[mikalalas]

In other breaking news, Day 8(?) of mediation has resulting in - uh well - nothing. Is it only the Cerebral Loyal One who is getting a bit ancy?

Fire Teresa, or pay of the second year of her contract. Even at this point, do the reverse merger. Put my crush Gloria in charge. The Alaska/Hawaiian Air PacMtn Conference.. Maybe Hawaii will just stay FB-only. Maybe renege on NIU. Maybe set standards for the "bottom feeders" to achieve or risk expulsion.

Simple as that. By far the best of the G5. formidable BB lineup. Everybody wins.

Gloria is BAD. She charged EXCESSIVE, EXORBITANT scheduling fees, she charged illegal poaching fees, she would not cut, kick out Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, the BOTTOM 4 CONSISTENTLY UTTER TRASH TEAMS, in order to do the REVERSE MERGER.

PAC 12 should only do the Reverse Merger now because of HOW BAD TERESA GOULD FCKED EVERYTHING UP.

IT WAS RIGHT EARLIER TO NOT REVERSE MERGE.

HECK ME, ANY OF US, MY GRANDMA, ETC, COULD, WOULD HAVE EASILY NOT DONE THE MERGER, GOTTEN 8TH FOOTBALL TEAM, DONE MEDIA DEAL, ETC, So there is no reasonable excuse for Teresa not getting it done.

But that does not excuse Gloria. Gloria is also to blame, bad, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

In other breaking news, Day 8(?) of mediation has resulting in - uh well - nothing. Is it only the Cerebral Loyal One who is getting a bit ancy?

Fire Teresa, or pay of the second year of her contract. Even at this point, do the reverse merger. Put my crush Gloria in charge. The Alaska/Hawaiian Air PacMtn Conference.. Maybe Hawaii will just stay FB-only. Maybe renege on NIU. Maybe set standards for the "bottom feeders" to achieve or risk expulsion.

Simple as that. By far the best of the G5. formidable BB lineup. Everybody wins.

NIU is semi decent, ok.

GCU is ok for bball.

Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, Utep, need to go, be cut, be kicked out, etc, and then help them find membership in either the Sun Belt, C-USA, Big West

Then the MWC 5 go back to MWC.

Then WSU, Ore St get added.

Then set up a Relegation, Promotion, Expulsion system.

Wyoming, SJSU, CSU, Utah St, NIU are relegated, start on the lower rung.

BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV, Airforce, WSU, Ore St, NIU start on upper rung.

Those on lower rung, who consistently on lower rung for 4 to 6 to 8 to 10+ years, are, can be kicked out of conference

Then fire BOTH Teresa, Gloria, and get a COMPETENT commish.

Add Gonzaga, St Mary's from WCC.

Add either Wichita St, Creighton, etc.

Then try to get Memphis, Tulane, USF

Memphis, Tulane, USF on upper tier

NIU gets sent down, an or cut.

If those things were to happen, then that conference would be best in the west, best behind Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, and would be hybrid G5, P5, and even might someday in far off future end up equal to 1 of, either of either ACC or Big 12, and would always have upper tier champ goto playoffs, CFP over AAC, other G5 conference champs about 99.999% of time as long as 10-2, 11-1, 12-0, 10-3. And the bowl games would be Alamo, Holiday, Las Vegas, etc.

But that's not likely to happen.

PAC 12 will fail because of Teresa Gould.

Then MWC 5 go back to MWC.

Then BOTH Gloria, Teresa Gould both won't do reverse merger.

Gloria won't reverse merge into PAC brand. She will let the PAC 12 permanently die.

Then Gloria will add WSU, Ore St at HALF SHARE, CRUMBS because they have nowhere else to go, etc, because Gloria likes playing HARDBALL. OR WORSE she kicks WSU, Ore St to the Sun Belt, C-USA, Big West, etc.

Then if Gloria does add WSU, Ore St, she will put them on the bottom tier, if she does do a relegation system.

Then Gloria will stupidly keep Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, UTEP, NIU, Wyoming, etc.

Then Gloria will not try to get, will not get Memphis, Tulane, USF, etc.

Then after that the conference will NOT be the BEST conference behind Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC. Conference won't be a hybrid G5, P5 conference. AAC conference will be BETTER. And the AAC conference 12-0, 11-1, 11-2 champ will goto CFP OVER MWC 12-0, 11-1, 11-2 champ. And MWC's bowl game will be the LA bowl, and the Famous Idaho Potato Head Bowl.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Gloria is BAD.

But that does not excuse Gloria. Gloria is also to blame, bad, etc.

Then fire BOTH Teresa, Gloria, and get a COMPETENT commish.

PAC 12 will fail because of Teresa Gould.

Gloria won't reverse merge into PAC brand. She will let the PAC 12 permanently die.

Then Gloria will add WSU, Ore St at HALF SHARE, CRUMBS because they have nowhere else to go, etc, because Gloria likes playing HARDBALL. OR WORSE she kicks WSU, Ore St to the Sun Belt, C-USA, Big West, etc.

Then if Gloria does add WSU, Ore St, she will put them on the bottom tier, if she does do a relegation system.

Then Gloria will stupidly keep Hawai, Nevada, New Mexico, UTEP, NIU, Wyoming, etc.

Then Gloria will not try to get, will not get Memphis, Tulane, USF, etc.

l.

Mik, chill on my crush Gloria. Pick on sheep/donkey face Teresa Ghoul all you want. (Kudos to other sites for those nicknames)

Gloria is a glorious goddess.