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Lawsuit(s) mediation tomorrow May 19

Pete, sometimes I don't know whether to laugh or cry over your posts. You are not actually a Coug are you? If you were, you would know that the student fees directed towards Athletics are almost $1M/year. Not counting the sports passes. And that the amount of these fees have been a point of contention since I was a student.

95 - I saw a chart elsewhere showing WSU and OSU Athletics revenue sources. If I recall, WSU's student fees were almost $1M/year, as noted above, and OSU's were - I think - $2.75M/year. Quite the disparity, which doesn't argue with your point but is kind of interesting IMO.
WSU students pay about $800 per semester per student. I don’t think much of that is actually for athletics. There’s a stadium fee for Pullman students, but it’s only $25.
 
WSU students pay about $800 per semester per student. I don’t think much of that is actually for athletics. There’s a stadium fee for Pullman students, but it’s only $25.
Ok, I got curious. And found the below. Whoa. Lots to unpack.

This declining Athletics $$ contradicts what I said before - but doesn't include the separate stadium fee of $50/student/year. So it might add up to $1M. But shit - down to $94K from a million? Enrollment declines don't help but wow. Not counting the $299 for a sports pass. Free when I attended. Some of this other shit - $206/year for the Chinook? And I assume you still have to pay for the book itself?

Fees overall. Geezus - the CUB monies (you gotta dig to see ALL the student money going there, like the "debt service" category.

More detail. I can't believe that the SCR now costs $350/year. I believe it was $100 when it opened. Students voted for it (barely) back then, but they did not read the fine print that said it could be raised "with inflation" like tuition, without subsequent votes.
 
Ok, I got curious. And found the below. Whoa. Lots to unpack.

This declining Athletics $$ contradicts what I said before - but doesn't include the separate stadium fee of $50/student/year. So it might add up to $1M. But shit - down to $94K from a million? Enrollment declines don't help but wow. Not counting the $299 for a sports pass. Free when I attended. Some of this other shit - $206/year for the Chinook? And I assume you still have to pay for the book itself?

Fees overall. Geezus - the CUB monies (you gotta dig to see ALL the student money going there, like the "debt service" category.

More detail. I can't believe that the SCR now costs $350/year. I believe it was $100 when it opened. Students voted for it (barely) back then, but they did not read the fine print that said it could be raised "with inflation" like tuition, without subsequent votes.

My daughter attended the Colorado School of Mines and attending their games was "free". However, tuition is $10,000 per year more than WSU.
 
Ok, I got curious. And found the below. Whoa. Lots to unpack.

This declining Athletics $$ contradicts what I said before - but doesn't include the separate stadium fee of $50/student/year. So it might add up to $1M. But shit - down to $94K from a million? Enrollment declines don't help but wow. Not counting the $299 for a sports pass. Free when I attended. Some of this other shit - $206/year for the Chinook? And I assume you still have to pay for the book itself?

Fees overall. Geezus - the CUB monies (you gotta dig to see ALL the student money going there, like the "debt service" category.

More detail. I can't believe that the SCR now costs $350/year. I believe it was $100 when it opened. Students voted for it (barely) back then, but they did not read the fine print that said it could be raised "with inflation" like tuition, without subsequent votes.
The students also voted for the SRC fee with no sunset. It was sold as a way to fund construction, which should have meant it went away when the bonds were retired…but that wasn’t included. Instead, the fee has been increased and it’s used to pay for maintenance of the building. Students are going to pay for it until it’s torn down. And, it’s all students - it doesn’t matter if they use it or not.

Also thought it was criminal that WSU pushed the CUB remodel to students to fund it, and then also got them to pay for renovating the old bookie.

Of course, the problem is that the state doesn’t pay for necessary renovations & renewal anymore. They’ll pay for new buildings that have some political cachet, but nobody wants to put their name on upgrading spaces that students actually use.

And forget maintenance. WSU has almost $2B in deferred maintenance, but the state won’t fund it significantly, because it’s not sexy and interesting. Same thing happens at the K-12 level. O&M money isn’t worth much politically, so just let the buildings fall apart.
 
This forum has the best food fights of any that I visit. And I visit OSU, WSU, BSU, FSU, CSU, USU, and SDSU message boards on a weekly basis, and nobody has food fights like this place.

At all of those message boards, no one, and I mean no one, cites "The Monty Show" as a source. Figure it out.

If the 5 schools leaving the MWC for the PAC-12 haven't paid their $5K "leave the MWC" fee yet, then it's because they don't want to give up their MWC voting rights until the last minute.

San Diego State's athletic director is not panicking about the pace of things being done. I snoop the BSU, FSU, CSU, USU, and SDSU message boards regularly and there's no serious discussion at any of them about returning to the MWC.

Oregon State has in Scott Barnes a very, very talented athletic director who is at the top of his game. If Teresa Gould is screwing up the rebuilding of the PAC-12, then I have full confidence Barnes would do whatever he can to have Gould pushed aside.

The only thing that could stop Barnes from disposing of Teresa Gould is the idiot leadership at Washington State University. Beavers & Cougars are equal partners in all of this.

p.s. Been reading a Texas State message board and their fans are still hoping for PAC-12 membership.
This board has had MWC talent on it for several years. Our athletic program is finally catching up.
 
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I can explain it to you. I cannot understand it for you. You make up shit to fill in the gaps in your drug addicted fantasy land.

You are beneath every poster here. Get off the drugs. Stay out of jail.
How dare you speak ill of our resident market maker! Uber is clearly cleaning up in Crypto and Commodities. In fact, I bet WSUs financial troubles are about at an end after he empties out his couch cushions!
 
The students also voted for the SRC fee with no sunset. It was sold as a way to fund construction, which should have meant it went away when the bonds were retired…but that wasn’t included. We're in the state of WA, what else would you expect except lying and stealing from those entrusted with your monies? Instead, the fee has been increased and it’s used to pay for maintenance of the building. Students are going to pay for it until it’s torn down. Wishful thinking - they'll figure out a way to make sure it never sunsets. And, it’s all students - it doesn’t matter if they use it or not.

Also thought it was criminal that WSU pushed the CUB remodel to students to fund it, and then also got them to pay for renovating the old bookie. You think admin bloat pays for itself?

Of course, the problem is that the state doesn’t pay for necessary renovations & renewal anymore. They’ll pay for new buildings that have some political cachet, but nobody wants to put their name on upgrading spaces that students actually use.

And forget maintenance. WSU has almost $2B in deferred maintenance, but the state won’t fund it significantly, because it’s not sexy and interesting. Same thing happens at the K-12 level. O&M money isn’t worth much politically, so just let the buildings fall apart. This is the real travesty. You could upgrade/ remodel a structure for a fraction of building new, and make it state of the art, but not sexy enough. The new middle school down the road from me looks like a min security prison. Which, I guess they kind of are, but not aesthetically "sexy" imho.


At least they honored First Nations by using "Wy'east" instead of "Mt. Hood."
 
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Well now that the 5 Traitors indeed announced formally and paid their $5,000, any merger talk (there had been quite a bit elsewhere) is dead and buried. And since that June 1 date has passed, I am not holding my breath on the now 15 Day-old mediation talks resolving anything. Bet the MW has already folded up their laptops and said "see ya in court".

I guess the next important date is July 1, when I assume the exit fees for Sun Belt schools (our only remaining options I guess) will double for less that a year's notice. Although I can't find confirmation of that. What I do find says the $5M. And edit - I forgot NMSU is in C-USA, where exit fees aren't much in any event.
 
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Well now that the 5 Traitors indeed announced formally and paid their $5,000, any merger talk (there had been quite a bit elsewhere) is dead and buried. And since that June 1 date has passed, I am not holding my breath on the now 15 Day-old mediation talks resolving anything. Bet the MW has already folded up their laptops and said "see ya in court".

I guess the next important date is July 1, when I assume the exit fees for Sun Belt schools (our only remaining options I guess) will double for less that a year's notice. Although I can't find confirmation of that. What I do find says the $5M. And edit - I forgot NMSU is in C-USA, where exit fees aren't much in any event.

The Sun Belt school Texas St, and New Mexico St(not in Sun Belt(if I remember right), are not the only options IF IF Pac 12 reach a settlement with MWC.

If the a settlement is reached and the MWC get enough money from a settlement then UNLV stays in MWC. But if the MWC does not get enough money from settlement, and either does not pay the 100 mil to UNLV, or at least enough of the 100 million to UNLV, then UNLV can claim breach of the contract that they signed with the MWC, and can leave the MWC and join the PAC 12 if they want.

And if UNLV stays in MWC, and if PAC 12 get enough money from the settlement, then the PAC 12 can offer Memphis more money, a better offer, a non lowball offer, between about 10 mil to 13 mil to 17 mil to 20 mil to 23 mil to 27 mil to 33 mil that better then the 2.5 mil lowball offer that Memphis rejected.

The Memphis AD has hinted, clued, suggested that if approached again with a non rip off, non lowball offer, and get a better worthwhile offer, that they, Memphis will, would seriously consider it, and might join the PAC 12.

And the same is probably true for Tulane as well.

But if the PAC 12 dont get enough money from a settlement with MWC, or if no settlement, or if PAC 12, does not win a lawsuit in court, etc, by July 1st, then Texas St, New Mexico St, would probably be the PAC 12's only options.
 
Big month for you! You learned how to use the quote button (occasionally) and Gibbs taught you how to copy/paste!

I think you’re ready for finger painting!
Someone need to teach you to bring receipts and stop lying. I wish that person luck.
 
Still no receipts from the congenital liar. And only someone with a broken brain would call these posts an outburst.
Being a lying racist POS and calling someone else a lying racist POS is most certainly an outburst…and projection.
 
Back on topic. So it appears that mediation is going nowhere, so off to court we go. Our media contract, if any, is probably months away.

That said, none of you lemmings seem to want to explore the Pac's options for that elusive 8th team. To the Highly-Educated and Cerebral Loyal One, it looks like NMSU or Texas State. With Sac State still scratching at the door.

I'm not even going to disparage this scenario except to say I TOLD YOU SO! :)
 
Back on topic. So it appears that mediation is going nowhere, so off to court we go. Our media contract, if any, is probably months away.

That said, none of you lemmings seem to want to explore the Pac's options for that elusive 8th team. To the Highly-Educated and Cerebral Loyal One, it looks like NMSU or Texas State. With Sac State still scratching at the door.

I'm not even going to disparage this scenario except to say I TOLD YOU SO! :)
I’d take Sac State before Texas State.
 
Back on topic. So it appears that mediation is going nowhere, so off to court we go. Our media contract, if any, is probably months away.

That said, none of you lemmings seem to want to explore the Pac's options for that elusive 8th team. To the Highly-Educated and Cerebral Loyal One, it looks like NMSU or Texas State. With Sac State still scratching at the door.

I'm not even going to disparage this scenario except to say I TOLD YOU SO! :)

I can't picture it being NMSU. Sacramento State or Texas State before them.
 
If the PAC takes NMSU, Tx State or Sac State over UNM or UNLV, somebody needs to lose their job. Las Cruces is roughly the size of Post Falls/Coeur d'Alene. That is beyond negligent.

President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.
 
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If the PAC takes NMSU, Tx State or Sac State over UNM or UNLV, somebody needs to lose their job. Las Cruces is roughly the size of Post Falls/Coeur d'Alene. That is beyond negligent.

President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.
If Jensen Huang started caring about Beaver Athletics the Beavs could dominate EVERY NCAA sport in 1 recruiting cycle with the current NIL and transfer portal environment.
 
President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.

"A man is only as faithful as his options" as the saying goes

Would a Coug-Zag package deal with the Big 12 include all WSU sports and all GU sports?

That'd be a great way to lock down both the Spokane and Seattle/I-5 corridor markets.
 
President Cantwell needs to package up WSU/Gonzaga to the Big 12. Get away from this mid-major madness and strategy of hope.

You know the Beavs would ditch WSU in a heartbeat so best watch your flank in Spokane and GU. Boise State could pull the same combo as could SDSU. Any school with solid football/basketball programs will be at play. OSU's basketball program is suck right now but that could change with one portal cycle.

From ESPN back in 2022:

"The Big 12 targeting Gonzaga as a potential addition to bolster its basketball isn't a surprise, as the conference has been regarded in recent seasons as the top basketball league in the country. The Big 12 boasts the past two men's basketball national champions -- Kansas and Baylor -- and was an overtime loss by Texas Tech in 2019 from having three consecutive NCAA champions.

The addition of Gonzaga to the Big 12 would be a massive shift in the landscape, as it would perpetuate the Big 12's reputation atop the sport. Gonzaga's men's basketball program played in the national title game in 2017 and 2021. Gonzaga has been a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament in four of the past five years."


LINK: Sources: Gonzaga in talks with Big 12 about joining conference

OSU athletic director Scott Barnes was born in Spokane (not sure if he attended high school there as well), so it's possible he has some close connections to GU and the "Irish Catholic Mafia"

Would it be shocking if Barnes is covertly working through back channels in trying to couple OSU with GU — while ditching Pac-12 ally WSU — to secure the Beavs a place in the Big 12?

Would the Oregon State president even allow that to happen?
 
Gonzaga holds all the cards in that deal.

SDSU/Gonzaga would be next level for Big 12 basketball. SDSU would get clubbed a bit in football but they'd adjust.

BSU/Gonzaga would be Few and Rice barrel laughing at the lake on how they f'd over WSU while Dan Monson gets them another beer.

The Jesuits are a notoriously sneaky order. Don't put anything past them. See also GU partnering up with UW on Spokane medical school.

If I end up swimming with the fishes in the Spokane River, ^^^^^^ see above.
 
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