Lincoln Riley retains Grinch
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Cause you don't fire someone without their players. You give someone at least two years.
Yeah, poor guy. Only had USCs roster and their money to get who he wants. His performances at OU and Ohio St were meaningless too.
They are going to have a rough time in the Big 10. His players are softer than the other side of the pillow. Combine that with long travel time and Pullman weather and I think it spells a lot of 8-4
Riley is not serious about winning a national title. He has seen enough from Grinch to know if he can win one with him, but he can't.
I think Grinch should cut Hercules a check every year. Without Hercules, he isn't getting paid.
His defenses have been garbage since he left.
His defenses have been garbage since he left.
Take a peek at Pete Carrolls oline back in 2002. Then look at it in 2005. On 01 he had a center probably the size of Elliott Bosch.
Tell me on defense where are the Sean Cody’s , Troy Polamolo , Rivers, Cushing and I could go on and on.
Helton continued to make them soft. He was the Denver coach Hackett before Hackett became head coach .
Players loved him . He made usc soft and that doesn’t change in a year.
Look at leach. He lost more games his first year than the guy that was fired. It takes time to change culture .
I'm not totally down on Grinch personally. I thought he did good things here.
As for USC, I think it's a bad look if Riley wants to recruit and retain the best coaches, to fire the guy after the first year. I'm sure they laid out the plan for 2023 and Grinch knows they have to perform.
As for USC, I think it's a bad look if Riley wants to recruit and retain the best coaches, to fire the guy after the first year. I'm sure they laid out the plan for 2023 and Grinch knows they have to perform.
When he was here, he took a bad defense and made it above average, with significant weaknesses.
At Oklahoma and USC, he ran above average defenses with significant weaknesses - the same weaknesses he had at WSU. The conclusion I draw is that he doesn't know what to do about those weaknesses. He can't fix them, so he'll continue to run units that can get their team to a bowl game, but not into a playoff berth.
They can’t or won’t tackle. If he can teach tackling, he can run any defense he wants at SC. He has no limits on the scheme. He can get any DNA he needs there. It is wide open for him. Even if he is a player short, SC boosters can offer that kid $1,000,000+ in his dms and he is in the portal and at SC the next day.
There is absolutely 0 reason for SC to be this bad on defense. It is gross incompetence that they are.
There is absolutely 0 reason for SC to be this bad on defense. It is gross incompetence that they are.
You have said many great things Biggie Biggie. Saying what you're going to say without fear. Not concentrating on fluffing the pillow.
This is by far one of the most spot on posts ever!
Effort. There was no reason for WSU to be worse in 2012 than they were in 2011. But they were. Purge the kids who don't buy in. Goes to effort. That and the kids Helton brought in were not as talented as they believe and that they were soft. We will see in 2023 if they buy in.
5591...Let's take two historic programs. One program-was 6-6 overall, 2-6 in conference. Fired their coach and went 6-6 the new coaches first year, 4-4 in conference, so a two game improvement in conference. Program 1 is one of the blue bloods.
Program 2 is also a blue blood. The previous coach was 4-8, the new coach was 11-3. Which coach did a better job based on record.
Would coach of program 1 be on a short leash like Riley and his DC?
Amen. They couldn’t get in done in the “inferior” P12, why do they think they will be more successful in the B1G? Clearly it is about $$$, but that is something U$C hasn’t traditionally needed. Is it greed?
If for $$, it doesn’t make sense to me. I get why the B1G wants them. I don’t get why they want the B1G.
So... I don't know if you're trying to sell a bridge here or what, but...
1) does the coach in question have a solid history?
2) how many returning players in each position?
3) who are his assistant coaches?
4) what does the schedule look like for next year?
5) Do the big $$$ donors have a favorite?
I don't think you can make a fair call without additional info
Good work. Replying to Mr. Questions with a list of questions. Lol. That's how it's done.
1) Each coach in both programs are well thought of and well sought after.
2) Both programs are well healed in talent and they are 5 star magnets
3) Assistant coaches...what does that matter. Elite coaches have the pick of the litter...The 6-6 coach had a worse record than 11-3 coach....really matter who his DC was?
4) The schedule is the schedule.
5) Donors are donors. They spend money. Big stadiums, huge cache, huge history. We are talking about two historic programs. But based on the record and talent, what coach should have been fired? They both had talent.
He will pay . I have trademarked the word and concept - question . So any post that asks a question there are patent fees that belong to me !
Yeah man..and as I've mentioned before, it sounds like Lincoln Riley thinks he can just out talent everyone via the portal
Sabans teams have talent...but he also demands toughness.
Watching them play Utah, they folded like a tent when they got punched in the mouth and things didn't go their way.
They are also opposed to tackling. It must be against their religion nor something. Probably the worst tackling displays I have ever seen..and we have seen some bad ones.
They make your favorite player of all time #49 look like Lawrence Taylor 😃🍻
If you think assistant coaches don't matter, you're 100% lost and then some.
A schedule is a schedule? Uh... no. This directly influences people's success.
I am now even more lost than before on what you're asking. When have there been 2 schools where everything is the same, but different records?
Are you saying like Michigan and Ohio State? Even then... that's not true.
But okay... I will give you an answer.
I take the coach that seems to have the best "recent" history along with how their outlook and attitude/character fits my school's demand. The recent success is of major importance, but there also needs to be someone who fits the school so that along with selling themselves... they can sell the school. What you do now to make the school look good is also in link what you do for its future (I think Dennis Erickson was a really good college coach, but very little for us in the big picture of things).
I'm going to hire the coach that helps bring $$$, attention, talent, and hopefully... wins
Did Texas (especially) or Oklahoma need money? If not, why go to the SEC? The thing with money is that college administrators always want more money, and the difference between a $35m/year payout and $75m, or whatever it ultimately is, is massive. More generally, most college administrators are much more interested in financial "stability" and having money to spread around to other stuff, including themselves, than they are with some kind of at-all-costs pursuit of winning a national championship in football, no matter what they say. It also gets a bit more complicated if we get a 2- or 3-conference superconference structure, where being outside of that could result in hits to recruiting, access, national attention, coaches being poached, etc. Would Texas or USC really need to worry about that? Not really. But see above re those in charge always wanting and needing more money.
Most SC fans I'm reading are happy with his retention. All but the worst fans understand that - unless it's a tire fire - you probably need 3+ years to have a shot at installing scheme and players to run it.
Normally I would agree with you...but his defenses at Oklahoma were pretty garbage...and he can't get his players at USC to tackle.
Their tackling is beyond awful.
Maybe if he can get another Hercules to wreck havoc in the middle, then maybe he can succeed. But not sold on him.
It’s SC. With their $, it should take 1 off season to get the kids they need. They can manipulate the portal in any way they see fit. They have the cash.
No...it is just your way of weaseling out of answering difficult or embarrassing responses (ie what is a woman?) 😀
I went back and watched the last quarter of the Cotton Bowl when USC blew a 15-point lead in the last 4 minutes. It took Tulane 2 plays against that defense to cover 70 yards for that first TD. Then after the fumbled kickoff and subsequent safety, USC allowed two 4th down conversions (one of them was 10+ yards) and the final TD with 11 seconds left. They simply couldn't make a stop when it was needed. If they aspire to be in the college football playoff conversation, they need a better defense than what we've seen from them in recent years.
Glad Cougar
