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Loyal Coug said:
Crap - logged out and saw this and had to comment. First off, do ya think they wish they had hired CML 8 (?) years ago? Second, glad they (writers) are smart enough not to list CML.

https://n.rivals.com/news/five-realistic-candidates-for-maryland-opening
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If they do start to consider CML then we need to flood their boards with reminders that Mike is an evil black-hearted person who locks innocent children in sheds and has a history of insubordination towards upper management. Durkin to Leach. Oh, no. Frying pan to fire. Just stay away, Maryland. Stay far away.
 
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Oh there is no doubt that they are upset about not hiring Leach. They are now on their third hire since botching that opportunity.

Last year their fan site wrote an article reminiscing about how “Leach blew the interview” but look at the comments. The fans are STILL pissed they didn’t get him.


https://247sports.com/college/maryl...erview-with-Mike-Leach-was-Bizarre-112279413/

Here’s some direct quotes how that fan base feels.

“Revisiting the time Maryland fans almost got lucky.”

“Revisiting that time your girlfriend broke up with you right before Christmas“

“Mike Leach was built to get this fanbase excited, and we blew it.”

“I will never cease to not be salty about that whole incident.”

“I had already set my Facebook profile picture to the Maryland/Jack Rackham flag :(“

“We would have won with this guy”

These comments are from last December. They definitely wish they had hired Leach.

Maryland is no threat to get Leach. I’m sure he didn’t appreciate them giving him the runaround (like Tennessee this past year)

If anyone poaches Leach it will be a blue blood program like Tennessee with a lot of cash.

I really don’t see any program as a threat except maybe....and this is a GIANT maybe. Florida State. They hired Taggert and he has been terrible At Florida State and the fans / alumni are appalled by how horrible the team has been in such a short amount of time. This wasn’t a bad team/program going through a rebuild. This was a decent/good program cratering unexpectedly. They got a ton of cash from Jimbo’s buyout from A&M.

To get rid of him it would cost FSU 21 million dollars after this season, but FSU received 5-6 million from A&M. And Taggarts buyout from Oregon was 3 million. So FSU basically made 3 extra million hiring Tagart.

That would reduce the total cost to get someone else to 18 million. Still a hefty price. Their revenue was 116 million but they spent 117 million!?! No clue about that but I wonder how they would come up with 18mill to remove taggart. Eh they could find a way i’m sure especially if big donors come in.

But if Florida State comes in and offers Leach 6 mill a year I do not think we keep him. He gone. He has a place in Key West and to be the HC of a premiere program like that it would be tough to turn down.
 
Cougatron said:
Oh there is no doubt that they are upset about not hiring Leach. They are now on their third hire since botching that opportunity.

Last year their fan site wrote an article reminiscing about how “Leach blew the interview” but look at the comments. The fans are STILL pissed they didn’t get him.


https://247sports.com/college/maryl...erview-with-Mike-Leach-was-Bizarre-112279413/

Here’s some direct quotes how that fan base feels.

“Revisiting the time Maryland fans almost got lucky.”

“Revisiting that time your girlfriend broke up with you right before Christmas“

“Mike Leach was built to get this fanbase excited, and we blew it.”

“I will never cease to not be salty about that whole incident.”

“I had already set my Facebook profile picture to the Maryland/Jack Rackham flag :(“

“We would have won with this guy”

These comments are from last December. They definitely wish they had hired Leach.

Maryland is no threat to get Leach. I’m sure he didn’t appreciate them giving him the runaround (like Tennessee this past year)

If anyone poaches Leach it will be a blue blood program like Tennessee with a lot of cash.

I really don’t see any program as a threat except maybe....and this is a GIANT maybe. Florida State. They hired Taggert and he has been terrible At Florida State and the fans / alumni are appalled by how horrible the team has been in such a short amount of time. This wasn’t a bad team/program going through a rebuild. This was a decent/good program cratering unexpectedly. They got a ton of cash from Jimbo’s buyout from A&M.

To get rid of him it would cost FSU 21 million dollars after this season, but FSU received 5-6 million from A&M. And Taggarts buyout from Oregon was 3 million. So FSU basically made 3 extra million hiring Tagart.

That would reduce the total cost to get someone else to 18 million. Still a hefty price. Their revenue was 116 million but they spent 117 million!?! No clue about that but I wonder how they would come up with 18mill to remove taggart. Eh they could find a way i’m sure especially if big donors come in.

But if Florida State comes in and offers Leach 6 mill a year I do not think we keep him. He gone. He has a place in Key West and to be the HC of a premiere program like that it would be tough to turn down.
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Agree that Florida State will be a threat if they go after Leach. I don't expect them to fire Taggart after one season because that in itself is a bad look and might piss Leach off (don't forget that WSU regressed in his first year as he dealt with players not buying in). I think Taggart gets one more year. If that doesn't work out......consider me nervous.
 
Flatlandcoug said:
Agree that Florida State will be a threat if they go after Leach. I don't expect them to fire Taggart after one season because that in itself is a bad look and might piss Leach off (don't forget that WSU regressed in his first year as he dealt with players not buying in). I think Taggart gets one more year. If that doesn't work out......consider me nervous.
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I’m genuinely worried about FSU doing something erratic. These blue blood program freak when they make a bad transition hire and Taggart is struggling so who knows if they throw everything at Leach he’ll know he will get his time for sure because they will be so in debt with Taggart.

Florida State is the only school that worries me. Leach won’t go to Kansas, he already tried Maryland, He won’t go to a Rutgers, I just don’t see any position except FSU

I think it is insanity but with teams like FSU you have porn stars making gofundme to pay for his buyout
https://www.12up.com/posts/6171918-...re-willie-taggart-and-fsu-fans-are-going-nuts

Auburn might try but I think they will stick by Malzahn. But things may get weird this offseason.

Blue bloods acting crazy and desperate
Blue Bloods with a lot of cash on hand

Are the only two things that make me nervous.

Everyone else can’t and won’t get Leach from us.
 
Idle, silly speculation on my part. But I could also see Miami as a program to keep an eye on as far as Leach goes. Mark Richt is getting a lot of criticism for a team that's underperforming this year. I think they were in the top 10 at some point this season (or close) and now sit at 5-3 without scoring more than 14 points their past two games.

Oh hell, Leach isn't going anywhere. I hope.

Glad Cougar
 
The snobs at Miami arent hiring a quirky coach or firing an alum just yet.

Why would you leave the #10 ranked team for Maryland??? Their wealth of tradition??? Nope.

At what point do people wake up and realize WSU is a great job???? And stop all this hand wringing that their ball coach is gonna leave something for nothing???

Leach is 57??? Does he really wanna start all over at a similar school? Spend 7 years building another program back up??? Or now that he has WSU doing well, spend the next 7 years seeing how far he can take WSU??
 
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Glad Cougar said:
Idle, silly speculation on my part. But I could also see Miami as a program to keep an eye on as far as Leach goes. Mark Richt is getting a lot of criticism for a team that's underperforming this year. I think they were in the top 10 at some point this season (or close) and now sit at 5-3 without scoring more than 14 points their past two games.

Oh hell, Leach isn't going anywhere. I hope.

Glad Cougar
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What's funny about the discussion about Miami and FSU is that neither really should be in any serious consideration if Leach is a man of his word. When he was hired at WSU, there was a lot of talk about how he trusted Moos and Floyd and wasn't interested in being at a university that didn't support their coaches. We've had people on this board wringing their hands because they are worried that Chun and Schulz haven't done enough to keep Leach happy.

The fact that anybody is even talking about FSU firing Taggart tells you that they don't care about their coaches and only care about winning right now. Mark Richt had Miami in the Orange Bowl last year and they'll be favored in the rest of their games this year and could very well finish 9-3. That there's even talk about firing him now tells how entitled and worthless their fans are. Miami has been a graveyard for coaches in the past decade. The transition to the ACC from the Big East has not been good for the Hurricanes. I get that Leach might be interested in going to FSU or Miami because of their relative proximity to his home in the Keys but if he's serious about support from the administration and fans.....neither school makes much sense.

I hope he realizes that there is no blue blood school that will show him the support that WSU has and will. They might offer more money and they have the brand name cachet that means that 12-1 is an automatic playoff berth, but both come with the expectation of winning and losing is unforgiveable. As Biggs said above, things are really looking good for our program right now. We return almost our entire offense with one glaring exception. We lose half of our defense but I have no doubt that will end up proving to be addition by subtraction. If we can find a QB that plays anywhere near the level that Minshew has (from our current roster or not), we will be good again next year.
 
Leach will tests the waters after the season, his agent is known for doing that. if we win out, he should get some type of raise to stay at WSU. Leach talks about what a great place and environment that exists at WSU for students and players, it exists for him as well. His average pay rate for the term of his contact is close to 4 million a year, in reality what can you do at 6 million a year that you can't do at 4 million year, nothing really. I would agree with the FL St job being attractive, but I doubt they fire their coach after one year. Leach has a chance to build a legacy and be immortalized at WSU forever, no one else can offer that, and that is something money can't buy. I hope he sticks around, but we will be hearing the rumors after the end of the year, just hope the administration finds a way to keep him happy.
 
Maryland will in all liklihood retain Matt Canada. He has done a great job given what that program has been dealing with and deserves the opportunity.
 
roses04 said:
Leach will tests the waters after the season, his agent is known for doing that. if we win out, he should get some type of raise to stay at WSU. Leach talks about what a great place and environment that exists at WSU for students and players, it exists for him as well. His average pay rate for the term of his contact is close to 4 million a year, in reality what can you do at 6 million a year that you can't do at 4 million year, nothing really. I would agree with the FL St job being attractive, but I doubt they fire their coach after one year. Leach has a chance to build a legacy and be immortalized at WSU forever, no one else can offer that, and that is something money can't buy. I hope he sticks around, but we will be hearing the rumors after the end of the year, just hope the administration finds a way to keep him happy.
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The only other job that I'd wonder if Leach would be interested in, based on being an alum, would be BYU. Of all the schools that would have the money to go after Leach, BYU would seem like the worst fit for Leach so I can't see it being an option. Also, they are only paying their current coach $2 million per year.
 
Glad Cougar said:
Idle, silly speculation on my part. But I could also see Miami as a program to keep an eye on as far as Leach goes. Mark Richt is getting a lot of criticism for a team that's underperforming this year. I think they were in the top 10 at some point this season (or close) and now sit at 5-3 without scoring more than 14 points their past two games.

Oh hell, Leach isn't going anywhere. I hope.

Glad Cougar
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Miami would hire Cristobal before Leach, IMO.
 
Flatlandcoug said:
The only other job that I'd wonder if Leach would be interested in, based on being an alum, would be BYU. Of all the schools that would have the money to go after Leach, BYU would seem like the worst fit for Leach so I can't see it being an option. Also, they are only paying their current coach $2 million per year.
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No coffee drinking in public at BYU, don't think he could handle that.
 
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wazzucougs96 said:
Miami would hire Cristobal before Leach, IMO.
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Miami has flirted with him a couple times but nothing materialized I agree Cristobal would be there pick first.

I still believe FSU is the threat. Osceola, Leach wrote about Geronimo, 100k Stadium Tomahawk chop etc. etc. it’s all Leach’s style.

Nobody is a threat to take Leach unless it is some gigantic program throwing the house at Leach. He even said himself he wasn’t that interested in Tennessee but they were talking ridiculous numbers. And I believe that’s what Leach’s thought process was. Tennessee...eh...woah 6 million a year?!? Uh yeah i’ll do that.

That is the only threat to us. WSU is an awesome job and we pay decently now so he has no reason to leave, but.... 6 million+ a year I don’t care how much of a Coug everyone is on here. If someone offers you 2 million bucks a year more you are going to take it. That is a TON of cash.
 
roses04 said:
His average pay rate for the term of his contact is close to 4 million a year, in reality what can you do at 6 million a year that you can't do at 4 million year, nothing really.
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Not picking on you here, as I agree with you in principle; but that it is a terrible argument to make in any business setting. The difference between $4 million and $6 million is $2 million; 33%. That’s a ton of money, and it allows you to further set up your immediate family’s futures and extend a wider reach to your extended family members and other causes that are important to you. More than anything though, it carries professional respect and recognition that you are valued as one of the elite in your profession.

WSU will have to pony up money to keep Leach. He deserves a top-10 head coaching salary. You don’t go into any negotiation with the mindset of “Geez, we’re already paying you a lot. What more do you want?”

$4.5 million / year is the minimum it will take to keep Leach. $5 million is a more accurate number.
 
CougPatrol said:
Not picking on you here, as I agree with you in principle; but that it is a terrible argument to make in any business setting. The difference between $4 million and $6 million is $2 million; 33%. That’s a ton of money, and it allows you to further set up your immediate family’s futures and extend a wider reach to your extended family members and other causes that are important to you. More than anything though, it carries professional respect and recognition that you are valued as one of the elite in your profession.

WSU will have to pony up money to keep Leach. He deserves a top-10 head coaching salary. You don’t go into any negotiation with the mindset of “Geez, we’re already paying you a lot. What more do you want?”
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I agree but we have to have our limit where it’s like geez we can pay you as much as we can but this it. We can’t afford more. We hope you stay because we love you but we understand that’s a ridiculous amount of money. That’s all it is.
 
CougPatrol said:
Not picking on you here, as I agree with you in principle; but that it is a terrible argument to make in any business setting. The difference between $4 million and $6 million is $2 million; 33%. That’s a ton of money, and it allows you to further set up your immediate family’s futures and extend a wider reach to your extended family members and other causes that are important to you. More than anything though, it carries professional respect and recognition that you are valued as one of the elite in your profession.

WSU will have to pony up money to keep Leach. He deserves a top-10 head coaching salary. You don’t go into any negotiation with the mindset of “Geez, we’re already paying you a lot. What more do you want?”

$4.5 million / year is the minimum it will take to keep Leach. $5 million is a more accurate number.
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I don't doubt that WSU talks more money this year, but I'm not buying the $5 million/year number. Here is a list of current coaching salaries in the Pac-12:

UCLA, Chip Kelly: $6,000,000
Stanford, David Shaw: $6,000,000
USC, Clay Helton: $6,000,000
UW, Chris Peterson: $5,000,000
Utah, Kyle Whittingham: $4,000,000
WSU, Mike Leach: $3,500,000 (scheduled to jump to $3,750,000 in 2019)
CU, Mike McIntyre: $3,200,000
UO, Mario Cristobal: $3,200,000
ASU, Herm Edwards: $2,000,000
UA, Kevin Sumlin: $2,000,000
OSU, Jonathan Smith: $2,000,000
Cal, Justin Wilcox: $2,000,000

So, Leach is the 6th highest paid coach in the conference. Let's look at athletic department revenue in 2016-17:

UO: $145,417,315
UW: $128,745,183
UCLA: $104,105,646
ASU: $101,579,860
CU: $94,226,111
UA: $90,976,758
Cal: $90,976,576
Utah: $83,672,639
OSU: $78,959,875
WSU: $64,294,520

Note: Stanford and USC don't report revenue since they are private schools. It's obvious that they are ahead of WSU in revenue though.

So, our coach is the middle of the pack in pay but our school is in last place by a wide margin. Leach may very well get a small pay increase this year, but given the publicity that's been put out there about the deficit that our athletics programs is running, he isn't going to get paid as much as Peterson any time soon. Of the public universities, Oregon and Washington are the only two that were profitable a couple years ago but only Cal is struggling with debt as badly as WSU. Until our fans are willing to pony up a lot more money, we can't compete with any of the big boys when it comes to salary.
 
I just hope that Schulz and Chun realize what they have in Mike Leach. I mean, that they REALLY get it. He's a generational coach. The ideal fit for WSU. Are you going to lose him for $1 - $2M/year? If he wants a different challenge or to live in a different region, that's obviously a different set of circumstances; but if it's about money and professional respect, you find the money.

In the grand scheme of things, paying Leach's salary is the easiest and most affordable investment WSU can make into the athletic department. Chun, you've purported to be a master fundraiser. If so, then lock Leach down with a contract that keeps him here forever. Don't drop the ball here.
 
CougPatrol said:
I just hope that Schulz and Chun realize what they have in Mike Leach. I mean, that they REALLY get it. He's a generational coach. The ideal fit for WSU. Are you going to lose him for $1 - $2M/year? If he wants a different challenge or to live in a different region, that's obviously a different set of circumstances; but if it's about money and professional respect, you find the money.

In the grand scheme of things, paying Leach's salary is the easiest and most affordable investment WSU can make into the athletic department. Chun, you've purported to be a master fundraiser. If so, then lock Leach down with a contract that keeps him here forever. Don't drop the ball here.
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They need to find the money for the IPF.
 
Flatlandcoug said:
I don't doubt that WSU talks more money this year, but I'm not buying the $5 million/year number. Here is a list of current coaching salaries in the Pac-12:

UCLA, Chip Kelly: $6,000,000
Stanford, David Shaw: $6,000,000
USC, Clay Helton: $6,000,000
UW, Chris Peterson: $5,000,000
Utah, Kyle Whittingham: $4,000,000
WSU, Mike Leach: $3,500,000 (scheduled to jump to $3,750,000 in 2019)
CU, Mike McIntyre: $3,200,000
UO, Mario Cristobal: $3,200,000
ASU, Herm Edwards: $2,000,000
UA, Kevin Sumlin: $2,000,000
OSU, Jonathan Smith: $2,000,000
Cal, Justin Wilcox: $2,000,000

So, Leach is the 6th highest paid coach in the conference. Let's look at athletic department revenue in 2016-17:

UO: $145,417,315
UW: $128,745,183
UCLA: $104,105,646
ASU: $101,579,860
CU: $94,226,111
UA: $90,976,758
Cal: $90,976,576
Utah: $83,672,639
OSU: $78,959,875
WSU: $64,294,520

Note: Stanford and USC don't report revenue since they are private schools. It's obvious that they are ahead of WSU in revenue though.

So, our coach is the middle of the pack in pay but our school is in last place by a wide margin. Leach may very well get a small pay increase this year, but given the publicity that's been put out there about the deficit that our athletics programs is running, he isn't going to get paid as much as Peterson any time soon. Of the public universities, Oregon and Washington are the only two that were profitable a couple years ago but only Cal is struggling with debt as badly as WSU. Until our fans are willing to pony up a lot more money, we can't compete with any of the big boys when it comes to salary.
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The real question here is how did Utah get $83 million and OSU get $79 million in revenue ?
 
dgibbons said:
The real question here is how did Utah get $83 million and OSU get $79 million in revenue ?
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We were always significantly below OSU in the Pac 10 days. Surprised the gap isn't bigger with the Reser impact but maybe that was already baked in and hasn't increased into the Pac 12 era.
 
On Leach's contract, there are annual escalators. He goes from 3.5 million this year to 3.75 for 2019 then 4.0 for 2020, and will receive a retention bonus of $750,000 after the 2020 season. The Athletic Department and CAF already need to get off their collective behinds to raise more money to fund Leach's contract. It's already back loaded to some extent to keep him here.

What are the priorities? The program needs a new IPF, more money for assistants, and more money for the recruiting.
 
Flatlandcoug said:
The only other job that I'd wonder if Leach would be interested in, based on being an alum, would be BYU. Of all the schools that would have the money to go after Leach, BYU would seem like the worst fit for Leach so I can't see it being an option. Also, they are only paying their current coach $2 million per year.
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A requirement for being selected as HC at BYU is that one must have a temple recommend. Not sure what that entails but one needs a history of consistent tithing and obeying the requisite behavior of that faith. No way they hire a jack Mormon like ML.
 
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Flatlandcoug said:
I don't doubt that WSU talks more money this year, but I'm not buying the $5 million/year number. Here is a list of current coaching salaries in the Pac-12:

UCLA, Chip Kelly: $6,000,000
Stanford, David Shaw: $6,000,000
USC, Clay Helton: $6,000,000
UW, Chris Peterson: $5,000,000
Utah, Kyle Whittingham: $4,000,000
WSU, Mike Leach: $3,500,000 (scheduled to jump to $3,750,000 in 2019)
CU, Mike McIntyre: $3,200,000
UO, Mario Cristobal: $3,200,000
ASU, Herm Edwards: $2,000,000
UA, Kevin Sumlin: $2,000,000
OSU, Jonathan Smith: $2,000,000
Cal, Justin Wilcox: $2,000,000
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Please post your source for these numbers, because they bear little resemblance to what I have seen elsewhere, including below.

https://247sports.com/college/orego...d-Shaw-Mario-Cristobal-122855668/#122855668_8
 
I would be quite surprised if either Miami or FSU fired their coaches. Richt has been doing well at Miami although this season has struggled early in the schedule. FSU's Taggart is in his first year. The fire Taggart now cause is headed by a former porn star. Letting Taggart go after one year because of the pleas of a porn star? FSU would be a laughing stock.
 
Loyal Coug said:
Please post your source for these numbers, because they bear little resemblance to what I have seen elsewhere, including below.

https://247sports.com/college/orego...d-Shaw-Mario-Cristobal-122855668/#122855668_8
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http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm

I had seen the salaries in your article in the past but didn't see it when I looked it up earlier today. At the end of the day, your link shows that Leach's salary is even more competitive than the list I found.
 
kayak15 said:
If they do start to consider CML then we need to flood their boards with reminders that Mike is an evil black-hearted person who locks innocent children in sheds and has a history of insubordination towards upper management. Durkin to Leach. Oh, no. Frying pan to fire. Just stay away, Maryland. Stay far away.
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Just flood the admins emails with this pic. Seriously, we have nothing to worry about. Leach has built up a machine. I also think he gets along with Pat Chun and is comfortable at WSU. He’s also made comments about the instability of College coaching positions.

TRUMP_SPOKANE_5.JPG.jpg
 
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Flatlandcoug said:
The only other job that I'd wonder if Leach would be interested in, based on being an alum, would be BYU. Of all the schools that would have the money to go after Leach, BYU would seem like the worst fit for Leach so I can't see it being an option. Also, they are only paying their current coach $2 million per year.
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Leach’s lifestyle doesn’t match Provo

#jack
 
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