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May 30

It's a false narrative, and a dumb one.

Can't we just leave it at "gone too soon" without fabricating some voodoo witchcraft blood oath?
Watched an HBO series about the Bee Gees. You can love them, hate them, but Barry Gibb said something at the very end...he would give up all of the hits to have his brothers back who died way too young. Sounds like Biggs feels the same way. I too think it was a high price to pay.

Especially knowing we went to the RB after 2002, I don't think what Biggs is saying is some sort of Blood Oath. Tell me another team in the last 40 years that had a star dlineman die at 22, two more who committed suicide before 45 . Another one with ALS. Not sure there is another team who had that type of tragedy.
 
Watched an HBO series about the Bee Gees. You can love them, hate them, but Barry Gibb said something at the very end...he would give up all of the hits to have his brothers back who died way too young. Sounds like Biggs feels the same way. I too think it was a high price to pay.

Especially knowing we went to the RB after 2002, I don't think what Biggs is saying is some sort of Blood Oath. Tell me another team in the last 40 years that had a star dlineman die at 22, two more who committed suicide before 45 . Another one with ALS. Not sure there is another team who had that type of tragedy.
Makes sense Biggs is a Bee Gees fan.

You are equating pop music success "fame going to their head" with the cruelty of the sport known as college football then implying WSU's success was the cause of their demise.

Eleven years after the 1997 team, two QBs got "broken necks" in a game vs Portland State.
 
Makes sense Biggs is a Bee Gees fan.

You are equating pop music success "fame going to their head" with the cruelty of the sport known as college football then implying WSU's success was the cause of their demise.

Eleven years after the 1997 team, two QBs got "broken necks" in a game vs Portland State.
I was there....it was the maiden voyage of the Lobster.
 
Makes sense Biggs is a Bee Gees fan.

You are equating pop music success "fame going to their head" with the cruelty of the sport known as college football then implying WSU's success was the cause of their demise.

Eleven years after the 1997 team, two QBs got "broken necks" in a game vs Portland State.
Correct and 6 years later the coach played a rookie center and Halliday broke his leg… I think that was within a couple of games scoring 60 and losing … and I think within seven years of playing a freshman left tackle and our qb’s head is bouncing around on the turf , gets taken off on a board head strapped down—- then missed the apple cup. And maybe if Luke broke something against Portland state maybe we win like they won in 2008 .

Moral of the story.. don’t play rookie o linemen.
 
Watched an HBO series about the Bee Gees. You can love them, hate them, but Barry Gibb said something at the very end...he would give up all of the hits to have his brothers back who died way too young. Sounds like Biggs feels the same way. I too think it was a high price to pay.

Especially knowing we went to the RB after 2002, I don't think what Biggs is saying is some sort of Blood Oath. Tell me another team in the last 40 years that had a star dlineman die at 22, two more who committed suicide before 45 . Another one with ALS. Not sure there is another team who had that type of tragedy.

I guarantee that there are plenty of teams that had multiple players suffer tragedies in their time after football. Santa Rosa Junior College had three players die in a 17 month period just as one example.

It's terrible that several members of that team died early or had other issues, but I've got to agree with Bleed that none of those guys would want that. Feel free to call into a show that Ryan Leaf is on and ask him......we all know what the answer would be.
 
I'll put it this way:
If you take away the RB and the what... month of practices that went with it, do any of their outcomes change? Probably not.
 
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Watched an HBO series about the Bee Gees. You can love them, hate them, but Barry Gibb said something at the very end...he would give up all of the hits to have his brothers back who died way too young. Sounds like Biggs feels the same way. I too think it was a high price to pay.

Especially knowing we went to the RB after 2002, I don't think what Biggs is saying is some sort of Blood Oath. Tell me another team in the last 40 years that had a star dlineman die at 22, two more who committed suicide before 45 . Another one with ALS. Not sure there is another team who had that type of tragedy.
Except the fact that I don't see how that team's success had anything to do with the tragic and untimely deaths/addiction problems these guys had later in life.
 
Makes sense Biggs is a Bee Gees fan.

You are equating pop music success "fame going to their head" with the cruelty of the sport known as college football then implying WSU's success was the cause of their demise.

Eleven years after the 1997 team, two QBs got "broken necks" in a game vs Portland State.
How is the Bee Gee story about fame going to their head? Barry simply made the point how much he missed his brothers. One brother died after routine surgery, the other died of cancer. And one died of a heart attack with a good chance his coke problem brought on the attack.
 
I'll put it this way:
If you take away the RB and the what... month of practices that went with it, do any of their outcomes change? Probably not.
Its not about a month worth of practice. It was a 66 year hiatus that had to be broken. Let me simplify it for you in a math equation that Biggs and others may share....Healthy Boose, Bender, Homes, Gleason, Leaf >1998 Rose Bowl.

Maybe a better way to put it...if he and others could trade a healthy Bender, Boose, Holmes, Gleason for the 98 Rose Bowl they would do it. I know what I would do. What would you do if presented with that option?

It is almost as to break the 66 year drought WSU had to make a deal with the devil. Yes, I get that is hyperbole and no deal was struck....
 
Watched an HBO series about the Bee Gees. You can love them, hate them, but Barry Gibb said something at the very end...he would give up all of the hits to have his brothers back who died way too young. Sounds like Biggs feels the same way. I too think it was a high price to pay.

Especially knowing we went to the RB after 2002, I don't think what Biggs is saying is some sort of Blood Oath. Tell me another team in the last 40 years that had a star dlineman die at 22, two more who committed suicide before 45 . Another one with ALS. Not sure there is another team who had that type of tragedy.
That doc is incredible.
 
That doc is incredible.
That one and History of the Eagles are very good. Totally forgot how the industry marketed disco at the time and how they went as far as having a song sung by a duck . But it did take me back to how popular Saturday Night Fever was in that time period and how many hits came from that album .
 
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That one and History of the Eagles are very good. Totally forgot how the industry marketed disco at the time and how they went as far as having a song sung by a duck . But it did take me back to how popular Saturday Night Fever was in that time period and how many hits came from that album .
History of the Eagles is one of my favorite docs of all time.
 
History of the Eagles is one of my favorite docs of all time.
Saw them in Seattle for the fourth time, very first concert I ever went to , One of The Nights tours, 1975. Joe Walsh is a miracle of modern science and medicine. How he put what he did in his body and to come out the other end....
 
Saw them in Seattle for the fourth time, very first concert I ever went to , One of The Nights tours, 1975. Joe Walsh is a miracle of modern science and medicine. How he put what he did in his body and to come out the other end....
Between he and Keith Richards, I need to know how to live a long life.
 
Watched an HBO series about the Bee Gees. You can love them, hate them, but Barry Gibb said something at the very end...he would give up all of the hits to have his brothers back who died way too young. Sounds like Biggs feels the same way. I too think it was a high price to pay.

Especially knowing we went to the RB after 2002, I don't think what Biggs is saying is some sort of Blood Oath. Tell me another team in the last 40 years that had a star dlineman die at 22, two more who committed suicide before 45 . Another one with ALS. Not sure there is another team who had that type of tragedy.
It's better to lose with your friends then to lose your friends. Bee Gees were great!

 
Saw them in Seattle for the fourth time, very first concert I ever went to , One of The Nights tours, 1975. Joe Walsh is a miracle of modern science and medicine. How he put what he did in his body and to come out the other end....
Joe Walsh....my favorite Eagle. Back to the BG's. One was a drinker, one a pill popper and one a stoner. The oldest "stoner" is still alive. Like Willie Nelson. Pretty amazing how young these guys were (early 20's) living in mansions and driving very expensive cars. Good stuff.

 
Joe Walsh....my favorite Eagle. Back to the BG's. One was a drinker, one a pill popper and one a stoner. The oldest "stoner" is still alive. Like Willie Nelson. Pretty amazing how young these guys were (early 20's) living in mansions and driving very expensive cars. Good stuff.

Fro...I forgot with all the other posts...you are Cougzone's music historian. I never had an appreciation for the Bee Gee's until I saw the documentary. Talk about reinventing themselves.
 
Joe Walsh....my favorite Eagle. Back to the BG's. One was a drinker, one a pill popper and one a stoner. The oldest "stoner" is still alive. Like Willie Nelson. Pretty amazing how young these guys were (early 20's) living in mansions and driving very expensive cars. Good stuff.

Don't forget about Joe Walsh's best work- the James Gang! Now THAT was some outstanding music. I remember the liner note on one of their albums- "Made Loud to be Played Loud!" yet, there was still some quiet stuff like "Ashes, the Rain, and I", "White Man/Black Man", "Tend My Garden", and "Again". Playing that stuff is some of the music that transports me back to the years spent in Pullman!
 
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Joe Walsh....my favorite Eagle. Back to the BG's. One was a drinker, one a pill popper and one a stoner. The oldest "stoner" is still alive. Like Willie Nelson. Pretty amazing how young these guys were (early 20's) living in mansions and driving very expensive cars. Good stuff.

Fro… went looking on YouTube for some highlights of The Bee Gees . You inspired me. I clicked on one where some black youth were watching the video Staying Alive for the first time . It was interesting they thought they were black . It was funny to see the reaction . Music is a bridge ….to generations and to different cultures .
 
Fro...I forgot with all the other posts...you are Cougzone's music historian. I never had an appreciation for the Bee Gee's until I saw the documentary. Talk about reinventing themselves.
It was someone else who thought he should sing like that. It's funny you should mention people being shocked the Bee Gees sang Stayin Alive. The first time I heard Lonely Days was a year or two after it came out and I asked sister if it was John singing lead. She told it the the Bee Gees and not The Beatles. People always associated the Bee Gees with songs like Massachusetts or any of their earlier stuff. "Wow, that sounds like a Beatle's song".
 
The first time I heard Stayin Alive....thought it was Smokey Robinson or someone like Earth, Wind and Fire. Didn't know my oldest sister has the album and was a huge Barry Gibb fan. The album itself was great from front to back. I had heard this album with Phillip Bailey singing falsetto. Thought it might be him.

 
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Don't forget about Joe Walsh's best work- the James Gang! Now THAT was some outstanding music. I remember the liner note on one of their albums- "Made Loud to be Played Loud!" yet, there was still some quiet stuff like "Ashes, the Rain, and I", "White Man/Black Man", "Tend My Garden", and "Again". Playing that stuff is some of the music that transports me back to the years spent in Pullman!
Joe's sound was pretty unique. I think Alex Lifeson had a similar style and maybe influenced by Joe. Here's a cool intro to the guitarists of The Gang. The second song by Tommy Bolin sounds way too much like Lennon's Dear Prudence. I watch this kind of stuff for hours. Scott's gonna erase everything anyway.
 
Meh....here is some music for you. Saw them in 1983 in Tacoma Dome. Roof caught on fire. Everyone thought it was part of the show.

 
The first time I heard Stayin Alive....thought it was Smokey Robinson or someone like Earth, Wind and Fire. Didn't know my oldest sister has the album and was a huge Barry Gibb fan. The album itself was great from front to back. I had heard this album with Phillip Bailey singing falsetto. Thought it might be him.

Saw EW&F in Raleigh a few years back. Bailey still has it, sounded great.
 
The first time I heard Stayin Alive....thought it was Smokey Robinson or someone like Earth, Wind and Fire. Didn't know my oldest sister has the album and was a huge Barry Gibb fan. The album itself was great from front to back. I had heard this album with Phillip Bailey singing falsetto. Thought it might be him.

Fro...just sent shovers down my spine. The year before I arrived on campus Earth Wind and Fire played at Beasley.

The following year my best friend lived on 2nd floor Rogers. Every time I went to get brew out of his fridge, I would walk by another room on the floor and this 6 6" white dude was always playing "Reasons". He was a former football player and may be the only white guy who went to Garfield high school.

Fast forward four years later I am at the Down Under, and I am there for 15 minutes, and start talking to this woman. She invites me back to her place within 20 minutes of meeting her. She had a motive. After enjoying each others company I hear her on the phone at 530 am. After she is done I inquire about her call. She explains she kind of used me to show her ex boyfriend she could still enjoy the company of a guy, thus she called him at 530 am and told him what happened.

She mentioned his name, and I immediately said , the 6'6" dude who listens to Earth Wind and Fire? And if he finds out will kill me as I know him..."yep, one in the same" she responded.

But love the song....and would have loved to see them in Pullman in 1978.
 
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Fro...just sent shovers down my spine. The year before I arrived on campus Earth Wind and Fire played at Beasley.

The following year my best friend lived on 2nd floor Rogers. Every time I went to get brew out of his fridge, I would walk by another room on the floor and this 6 6" white dude was always playing "Reasons". He was a former football player and may be the only white guy who went to Garfield high school.

Fast four years later I am at the Down Under, and I am there for 15 minutes, and start talking to this woman. She invites me back to her place within 20 minutes of meeting her. She had a motive. After enjoying each others company I hear her on the phone at 530 am. After she is done I inquire about her call. She explains she kind of used me to show her ex boyfriend she could still enjoy the company of a guy, thus she called him at 530 am and told him what happened.

She mentioned his name, and I immediately said , the 6'6" dude who listens to Earth Wind and Fire? And if he finds out will kill me as I know him..."yep, one in the same" she responded.

But love the song....and would have loved to see them in Pullman in 1978.

This story is fake.
 
What's the evidence counselor? LMAO
Fro… that is the beauty of my story . It is a he said she won’t say story . Plausible deniability . No self respecting woman would admit to having a few too many dime beers and invite me over . Hell my wife won’t even admit it .

And trust me I could have been like Biggs and fumbled at the goal line ….
 
Fro...just sent shovers down my spine. The year before I arrived on campus Earth Wind and Fire played at Beasley.

The following year my best friend lived on 2nd floor Rogers. Every time I went to get brew out of his fridge, I would walk by another room on the floor and this 6 6" white dude was always playing "Reasons". He was a former football player and may be the only white guy who went to Garfield high school.

Fast forward four years later I am at the Down Under, and I am there for 15 minutes, and start talking to this woman. She invites me back to her place within 20 minutes of meeting her. She had a motive. After enjoying each others company I hear her on the phone at 530 am. After she is done I inquire about her call. She explains she kind of used me to show her ex boyfriend she could still enjoy the company of a guy, thus she called him at 530 am and told him what happened.

She mentioned his name, and I immediately said , the 6'6" dude who listens to Earth Wind and Fire? And if he finds out will kill me as I know him..."yep, one in the same" she responded.

But love the song....and would have loved to see them in Pullman in 1978.

Weird story...
 
Weird story...
I can imagine it is weird for you . I probably should have told you it was a guy , a transgender better yet.

Probably less of a story of college kids being college kids but how music marks time and what we remember from those times .
 
I can imagine it is weird for you . I probably should have told you it was a guy , a transgender better yet.

Probably less of a story of college kids being college kids but how music marks time and what we remember from those times .
Look who's obsessed with transgenders and gays...

😆
 
I can imagine it is weird for you . I probably should have told you it was a guy , a transgender better yet.

Probably less of a story of college kids being college kids but how music marks time and what we remember from those times .
I'm sorry sir, there's a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell. BOC , don't fear the reappear.

 
Joe's sound was pretty unique. I think Alex Lifeson had a similar style and maybe influenced by Joe. Here's a cool intro to the guitarists of The Gang. The second song by Tommy Bolin sounds way too much like Lennon's Dear Prudence. I watch this kind of stuff for hours. Scott's gonna erase everything anyway.
Hey- very interesting stuff here. Unfortunately, pretty much everything he said sounded like a cross between Greek and Chinese to me, as I know absolutely nothing about the technical aspects of music. Cannot recognize a note, or a chord, could not play a note on an instrument if my life depended on it. I do sing along with my favorite songs, but only if nobody else is in the car or room with me. Why would I subject them to that punishment? LOL But I know what I like and what is good music, so I am just a listener, not a player. I DID recognize those James Gang songs though, and it got me revved up so I played my Best of James Gang album while sitting at the PC earlier. Sweet!

I appreciated his references to their work in the movie Zachariah. Great, weird, funky movie from about 1971. Kind of a cult classic, maybe like Rocky Horror Picture Show, but not nearly as popular or well known. Featured a VERY early Don Johnson. Watch it on youtube, guys, you should like the music. It's one of my very favorite albums, and I was finally able to find a CD online a few months ago. Hooray!!! Played that today also. Features the James Gang, Country Joe and the Fish, New York Rock Ensemble, Doug Kershaw, Elvin Jones, Jimmie Haskell, and White Lightning. I just about wore out my vinyl album over the years, but it's on my itunes now plus I have the CD. Yea!
 
Another song that I sent to a friend as my favorite Pink Floyd song and favorite guitar solo.
Fro …. You did it again . Music marks time for me. I haven’t heard this song since 10/1975.

A friend of mine and teammate on my 9th grade team went hunting for the weekend in Omak. BH climbed over the fence with his loaded shotgun and it went off. He died at age 15. They played this song at his funeral and I haven’t listened to it since .

It is a great song and it was his favorite of all time . It sent chill through me then and did so now ….but keep being VJ fro… love the music …
 
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