Meltdown in Seattle

[M-I-Coug]

Today it's been been revealed that Jake Browning is a Mountain West QB.

Doesn't belong in the Pac-12 in order to take his team to a championship level. Browning followed Peterson from Boise to Seattle.
He would do good in the Mountain West, and that's about it.

He's been de-grading each game. Instead of improving, he's not.
They've lost Miles Gaskins. They're desperate on figuring things out, in terms of their offense.

If they lose to Stanford, perhaps their only remaining win this year is Oregon State.

Yes, they have a good defense, but again, if they lose to Stanford, this team will crumble. Hope is gone. By far the most overrated team this year....but who can predict the future?
With all the Jakes they have on QB, there's no GM solution on their bench. This is all Peterson.

That said, we're going to have a great outcome and a GREAT day on Friday November 23rd, (if we stay healthy, meaning GODNER).

 

[COUGinNCW]

Today it's been been revealed that Jake Browning is a Mountain West QB. Doesn't belong in the Pac-12 in order to take his team to a championship level. Brown followed Peterson from Boise to Seattle.
He would do good in the Mountain West, and that's about it.

He's been de-grading each game. Instead of improving, he's not.
They've lost Miles Gaskins. They're desperate on figuring things out, in terms of their offense.
If they lose to Stanford, I don't see another win this year...that includes the AC.
Yes, they have a good defense, but again, if they lose to Stanford, this team will crumble. Hope is gone. By far the most overrated team this year....but who can predict the future?
With all the Jakes they have on QB, there's no GM solution on their bench. This is all Peterson.

That said, we're going to have a great outcome and a GREAT day on Friday November 23rd, (if we stay healthy, meaning GODNER).

When you have a freshmen starter at QB (Browning) recruiting for that position becomes difficult.

 

[GrayOnGray]

Huskies having trouble. Gosh. So sorry to hear that.

 

[Coug90]

When you have a freshmen starter at QB (Browning) recruiting for that position becomes difficult.

They’ve recruited some damn solid QBs (by recruiting rankings standards). Seems to me Peterson might not be the QB development guru he makes himself out to be.

 

[CougPatrol]

I think every program (and fan base) has been burned by the natural assumption that all players will progress and continue to get better year to year. That simply isn't the case. Hell, we learned that to a lesser degree with Falk last season.

What happened with UW is that they lost a lot of really good WR skill players over the past 2 years, they've got injuries at RB, their o-line isn't as strong, and now Browning's shortcomings have been exposed.

 

[Coug-Vandal]

I had the misfortune of listening to sports talk radio (950) in Seattle yesterday. All they could talk about was how ridiculous is was to think that the Cougs were a better team than the Huskies. What they seemed to be saying was that obviously the Huskies had better players. If that is true what does that say about how they have been playing? They have gone from claiming the Huskies have a legitimate shot at a national title in August to whining about injuries in October. Their denial of reality has been pretty obvious.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Most of the dynamic players that made the huskees contenders were Sark recruits. While Pete did a good job of keeping them on the roster, what has to be on the minds of all the mutt fans is whether or not Pete is a P5 recruiter or not. And granted, he did recruit some really nice players are trucker U, but the talent he inherited was light years ahead of what he ever had a donkey state.

We can only hope that what he's recruiting now is what he recruited at BSU.

 

[Cougatron]

Today it's been been revealed that Jake Browning is a Mountain West QB.

Doesn't belong in the Pac-12 in order to take his team to a championship level. Browning followed Peterson from Boise to Seattle.
He would do good in the Mountain West, and that's about it.

He's been de-grading each game. Instead of improving, he's not.
They've lost Miles Gaskins. They're desperate on figuring things out, in terms of their offense.

If they lose to Stanford, perhaps their only remaining win this year is Oregon State.

Yes, they have a good defense, but again, if they lose to Stanford, this team will crumble. Hope is gone. By far the most overrated team this year....but who can predict the future?
With all the Jakes they have on QB, there's no GM solution on their bench. This is all Peterson.

That said, we're going to have a great outcome and a GREAT day on Friday November 23rd, (if we stay healthy, meaning GODNER).

I wouldn't be so sure about that Oregon State game either. Smith knows UW very well and being a former coordinator he knows how that defense works and where it is vulnerable.

 

[dgibbons]

Most of the dynamic players that made the huskees contenders were Sark recruits. While Pete did a good job of keeping them on the roster, what has to be on the minds of all the mutt fans is whether or not Pete is a P5 recruiter or not. And granted, he did recruit some really nice players are trucker U, but the talent he inherited was light years ahead of what he ever had a donkey state.

We can only hope that what he's recruiting now is what he recruited at BSU.

Petersen was hired in December 2013. Ross, Vea, Shelton, King, Thompson and Kikiha were all Sark recruits. He did land some of his own like Adams, Pettis and Baker. No question the high end talent is absent this season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Huskies_in_the_NFL_Draft

 

[Coug90]

Petersen was hired in December 2013. Ross, Vea, Shelton, King, Thompson and Kikiha were all Sark recruits. He did land some of his own like Adams, Pettis and Baker. No question the high end talent is absent this season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_Huskies_in_the_NFL_Draft

He also hung his hat on some pretty big QB names and none of them could unseat browning which says something.

I think CP is a good coach for UW and as leach has done he will keep them in the 8-10 wins a year space. UW is not an elite program that’s going to be in a national title picture every year, and that’s what the UW fans expect. Just not realistic.

 

[BiggsCoug]

When you have a freshmen starter at QB (Browning) recruiting for that position becomes difficult.

Theyve gotten some decent QBs. If your 4 year starter is struggling, I’d lean towards a coaching or OL issue.

 

[roses04]

The line that shows you that the Husky view of history is inflated is this one and it kills me " we want to get back to the position of competing for the NC each year" Sorry Husky fans you were never in that position. Here is Don James record over his years at UW. A lot of Bowl games, Rose Bowl wins, but only 1 undefeated season, and only 1 with 1 loss

1975 Washington 6–5 5–2 T–3rd
1976 Washington 5–6 3–4 T–4th
1977 Washington 8–4 6–1 1st W Rose 9 10
1978 Washington 7–4 6–2 T–2nd
1979 Washington 9–3 5–2 2nd W Sun 11 11
1980 Washington 9–3 6–1 1st L Rose 17 16
1981 Washington 10–2 6–2 1st W Rose 7 10
1982 Washington 10–2 6–2 2nd W Aloha 7 7
1983 Washington 8–4 5–2 2nd L Aloha
1984 Washington 11–1 6–1 2nd W Orange 2 2
1985 Washington 7–5 5–3 T–4th W Freedom
1986 Washington 8–3–1 5–2–1 T–2nd L Sun 17 18
1987 Washington 7–4–1 4–3–1 T–2nd W Independence
1988 Washington 6–5 3–5 T–6th
1989 Washington 8–4 5–3 T–2nd W Freedom 20 23
1990 Washington 10–2 7–1 1st W Rose 5 5
1991 Washington 12–0 8–0 1st W Rose 1 2
1992 Washington 9–3 6–2 T–1st L Rose 10 11
Washington: 153–57–2 97–38–2
Total: 178–76–3

 

[chipdouglas]

Between DJ and CP, UW had ONE 10+ win season. But to hear them freaking out in 2018 over their presently 6-3 bowl eligible season, you’d think they’re worried they won’t get their 7th straight crystal football. The average player on that team was BORN at the dawn of the Rick Neuheisel era and was starting to pay attention during the Willingham years; Don James might as well have been Abraham Lincoln to them. So where does this Alabama-level entitlement come from? Which failure are they trying to hide that the rest of the country didn’t already see from 1992-2014?

CP turned that program around and he did it himself. This is not the beginning of the end, as some Husky (and Coug) fans claim, because he is a great coach. They just need to be comfortable with being really competitive almost every year, while realizing they are not a lock for the Top 4 every year. Weirdly, many don’t seem to be able to handle this because they stopped maturing emotionally in 1992. There are hundreds of bad coaches out there licking their chops for a chance at hammering fat UW paychecks to bring the program back to its marginal historical norm.

 

[GrayOnGray]

Between DJ and CP, UW had ONE 10+ win season. But to hear them freaking out in 2018 over their presently 6-3 bowl eligible season, you’d think they’re worried they won’t get their 7th straight crystal football. The average player on that team was BORN at the dawn of the Rick Neuheisel era and was starting to pay attention during the Willingham years; Don James might as well have been Abraham Lincoln to them. So where does this Alabama-level entitlement come from? Which failure are they trying to hide that the rest of the country didn’t already see from 1992-2014?

CP turned that program around and he did it himself. This is not the beginning of the end, as some Husky (and Coug) fans claim, because he is a great coach. They just need to be comfortable with being really competitive almost every year, while realizing they are not a lock for the Top 4 every year. Weirdly, many don’t seem to be able to handle this because they stopped maturing emotionally in 1992. There are hundreds of bad coaches out there licking their chops for a chance at hammering fat UW paychecks to bring the program back to its marginal historical norm.

This reminds me of Nebraska. College football changed while these programs were out of the national mix.

 

[BiggsCoug]

This reminds me of Nebraska. College football changed while these programs were out of the national mix.

The days of being able to muscle people with your $$$ are ending quickly. TV $$$ has leveled the playing field. Youre seeing teams close the gap because there is indeed a point where more $$$ spent doesnt equal more wins.

I’d like to see the scholarship limit dropped from 85 to 80. Not because I want to see less opportunties for kids, because I wanna see the talent spread out more.

 

[Cougatron]

i think UW is declining. The real piece for the collapse is Kwiatkowski leaving for a HC position.

Now he is from Santa Barbara so I don’t know if USC would fire Helton and hire a DC with no HC experience, but considering the success with Caroll a defensive minded coach, and the fact they hired Sark...

Kwiatkowski is the keystone that will lead to the collapse of UW he leaves and that defense will begin to falter.

 

[PINGDUDE4]

Actually can see why they are a little disappointed in that they have a real senior heavy team this year.

Practically their whole defense is graduating , along with the QB/ RB and most of the O-line. On paper that should not be a 6-3 team.

 

[Coug90]

This reminds me of Nebraska. College football changed while these programs were out of the national mix.

Nebraska has a much richer history than UW. Multiple Nattys and many more years they fell just short.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

The line that shows you that the Husky view of history is inflated is this one and it kills me " we want to get back to the position of competing for the NC each year" Sorry Husky fans you were never in that position. Here is Don James record over his years at UW. A lot of Bowl games, Rose Bowl wins, but only 1 undefeated season, and only 1 with 1 loss

1975 Washington 6–5 5–2 T–3rd
1976 Washington 5–6 3–4 T–4th
1977 Washington 8–4 6–1 1st W Rose 9 10
1978 Washington 7–4 6–2 T–2nd
1979 Washington 9–3 5–2 2nd W Sun 11 11
1980 Washington 9–3 6–1 1st L Rose 17 16
1981 Washington 10–2 6–2 1st W Rose 7 10
1982 Washington 10–2 6–2 2nd W Aloha 7 7
1983 Washington 8–4 5–2 2nd L Aloha
1984 Washington 11–1 6–1 2nd W Orange 2 2
1985 Washington 7–5 5–3 T–4th W Freedom
1986 Washington 8–3–1 5–2–1 T–2nd L Sun 17 18
1987 Washington 7–4–1 4–3–1 T–2nd W Independence
1988 Washington 6–5 3–5 T–6th
1989 Washington 8–4 5–3 T–2nd W Freedom 20 23
1990 Washington 10–2 7–1 1st W Rose 5 5
1991 Washington 12–0 8–0 1st W Rose 1 2
1992 Washington 9–3 6–2 T–1st L Rose 10 11
Washington: 153–57–2 97–38–2
Total: 178–76–3

They went to a lot of rose bowls with 2 or 3 losses. Seems odd to me; someone provide some context, pls.

 

[GrayOnGray]

Nebraska has a much richer history than UW. Multiple Nattys and many more years they fell just short.

Yes, you're right. Drives the point even deeper, yes?

 

[dgibbons]

They went to a lot of rose bowls with 2 or 3 losses. Seems odd to me; someone provide some context, pls.

Different time, only ten teams in the conference. One OOC loss and one conference loss weren't that big of a deal. WSU went to the Rose Bowl with two losses in 2003.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Between DJ and CP, UW had ONE 10+ win season. But to hear them freaking out in 2018 over their presently 6-3 bowl eligible season, you’d think they’re worried they won’t get their 7th straight crystal football. The average player on that team was BORN at the dawn of the Rick Neuheisel era and was starting to pay attention during the Willingham years; Don James might as well have been Abraham Lincoln to them. So where does this Alabama-level entitlement come from? Which failure are they trying to hide that the rest of the country didn’t already see from 1992-2014?

CP turned that program around and he did it himself. This is not the beginning of the end, as some Husky (and Coug) fans claim, because he is a great coach. They just need to be comfortable with being really competitive almost every year, while realizing they are not a lock for the Top 4 every year. Weirdly, many don’t seem to be able to handle this because they stopped maturing emotionally in 1992. There are hundreds of bad coaches out there licking their chops for a chance at hammering fat UW paychecks to bring the program back to its marginal historical norm.

The following seasons were 10+ win seasons with CP or DJ.....

1981: 10-2
1982: 10-2
1984: 11-1
1990: 10-2
1991: 12-0
2016: 12-2
2017: 10-3

As much as I love to pick on the mutts for living in the past in their golden era that was documented by Homer, they had some stretches that we'd love to have suffered through. From 1979 to 1984, the mutts went 57-15. That's basically averaging just under a 10-2 season. Their finish to their golden age under James was a three year stretch of 31-5. That's just better than our best stretch and included a Rose Bowl win. So, the mutts have a right to be proud of the golden age, even though it has zero relevance to today.

As far as Chris Peterson turning the program around himself, you are dead wrong on that one. Sarkisian was a big giant bag of flaming poo of a human being, but the guy could recruit and he wasn't a terrible coach. He took a team that went 0-12 and had it in a bowl game in year two and got them to a bowl game every year after that. His best season matches Leach's best season at WSU. Now, it's ironic that the 9-4 season in 2013 meant that the Huskies were "back" and that has really meant that they are barely better than WSU the last three years. I think that this year is the time even that ends.

 

[chipdouglas]

The following seasons were 10+ win seasons with CP or DJ.....

1981: 10-2
1982: 10-2
1984: 11-1
1990: 10-2
1991: 12-0
2016: 12-2
2017: 10-3

As much as I love to pick on the mutts for living in the past in their golden era that was documented by Homer, they had some stretches that we'd love to have suffered through. From 1979 to 1984, the mutts went 57-15. That's basically averaging just under a 10-2 season. Their finish to their golden age under James was a three year stretch of 31-5. That's just better than our best stretch and included a Rose Bowl win. So, the mutts have a right to be proud of the golden age, even though it has zero relevance to today.

As far as Chris Peterson turning the program around himself, you are dead wrong on that one. Sarkisian was a big giant bag of flaming poo of a human being, but the guy could recruit and he wasn't a terrible coach. He took a team that went 0-12 and had it in a bowl game in year two and got them to a bowl game every year after that. His best season matches Leach's best season at WSU. Now, it's ironic that the 9-4 season in 2013 meant that the Huskies were "back" and that has really meant that they are barely better than WSU the last three years. I think that this year is the time even that ends.

Keyword on the lone 1-win season is “between.” Cmon, you didn’t think I was claiming 2 of the as-yet most successful coaches in UW history had 1 great season combined?!

Also, RE CP’s legacy to date: your statement is wishful Coug thinking with no basis in fact. The guy turned a turd flyover school into a legacy team killer. Now he’s got UW in the Top 10 every year with a CFP berth. We can both love the Cougs without being raving, truth-denying homers.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Keyword on the lone 1-win season is “between.” Cmon, you didn’t think I was claiming 2 of the as-yet most successful coaches in UW history had 1 great season combined?!

Also, RE CP’s legacy to date: your statement is wishful Coug thinking with no basis in fact. The guy turned a turd flyover school into a legacy team killer. Now he’s got UW in the Top 10 every year with a CFP berth. We can both love the Cougs without being raving, truth-denying homers.

I personally wonder if Peterson hasn't peaked and is going to be an 8-9 win guy with his own players.

 

[chipdouglas]

I personally wonder if Peterson hasn't peaked and is going to be an 8-9 win guy with his own players.

Fingers crossed... would be nice if WSU became THE destination for talent in the NW. The Air Raid would be a powerful thing if it were used to augment our talent rather than hide its blemishes. We would be Oregon under CK - but hopefully with a ring.

 

[HHusky]

Kwiatkowski is the keystone that will lead to the collapse of UW he leaves

Who knew the Empire was so dependent on one coordinator?

 

[Cougatron]

Who knew the Empire was so dependent on one coordinator?

Well Smith left and look how the offense regressed. Kwiatkowski is the keystone to the defense. He leaves and you will see a similar regression.

 

[HHusky]

Well Smith left and look how the offense regressed. Kwiatkowski is the keystone to the defense. He leaves and you will see a similar regression.

It is impossible to separate the effects of Smith’s departure from the effects of injuries to stars and playmakers on that side of the ball this season.

 

[kougkurt]

It is impossible to separate the effects of Smith’s departure from the effects of injuries to stars and playmakers on that side of the ball this season.

Excuse. Dogs are better than that. Develop some depth with all those 4 stars.

Cougs lost 14 starters and 5 coaches. Where would the dogs be sitting with that kind of overall attrition

 

[dgibbons]

It is impossible to separate the effects of Smith’s departure from the effects of injuries to stars and playmakers on that side of the ball this season.

I think the translation here is "Sark's recruits are all gone."

 

[HHusky]

Excuse. Dogs are better than that. Develop some depth with all those 4 stars.

Cougs lost 14 starters and 5 coaches. Where would the dogs be sitting with that kind of overall attrition

The topic was why the UW offense regressed. That can always have a lot to do with who isn’t available to play. That simply can’t be news to you.

 

[Cougatron]

It is impossible to separate the effects of Smith’s departure from the effects of injuries to stars and playmakers on that side of the ball this season.

If that’s the excuse you are telling yourself than UW is destined to crumble because injuries are part of the game.

We lost Pelleur and still got nine wins, Falk played with a broken wrist and we still won 9 games. We lost our QB to a tragedy and still are at the top of the Pac 12 North title 3/4 through the season.

Wilcox (a former coordinator) was able to beat Petersen.

Smith a former coordinator left and the offense has shriveled.

What is propping you up this season? The defense. Kwiatkowski has been with Petersen forever. He is the cornerstone of the defense. Jimmy Lake was thinking about leaving last year so his foot is already partially out the door.

The UW defense will collapse without Kwiatkowski and you know it.

 

[kougkurt]

The topic was why the UW offense regressed. That can always have a lot to do with who isn’t available to play. That simply can’t be news to you.

Burn a red shirt or two. Not rocket science.

 

[HHusky]

I think the translation here is "Sark's recruits are all gone."

If that’s the excuse you are telling yourself than UW is destined to crumble because injuries are part of the game.

We lost Pelleur and still got nine wins, Falk played with a broken wrist and we still won 9 games. We lost our QB to a tragedy and still are at the top of the Pac 12 North title 3/4 through the season.

Wilcox (a former coordinator) was able to beat Petersen.

Smith a former coordinator left and the offense has shriveled.

What is propping you up this season? The defense. Kwiatkowski has been with Petersen forever. He is the cornerstone of the defense. Jimmy Lake was thinking about leaving last year so his foot is already partially out the door.

The UW defense will collapse without Kwiatkowski and you know it.

So this wishful thinking on your part has now become something I know? That’s some ego you got there.

 

[HHusky]

Burn a red shirt or two. Not rocket science.

Players are fungible? Interesting theory. Recruiting and depth charts seem kind of unnecessary then.

 

[dgibbons]

So this wishful thinking on your part has now become something I know? That’s some ego you got there.

Are you the pot or kettle?

 

[HHusky]

Are you the pot or kettle?

Now that was good!

 

[Cougatron]

So this wishful thinking on your part has now become something I know? That’s some ego you got there.

Well than you are ignorant or an idiot.

UW scoring defense rank #8
Total defense #12

This year hmm.

Offense? Scoring #88
Total #63

Pretty clear which unit is carrying you this season.

But to show you the drop. Last year with Smith?

Offense scoring
Total offense #58
Scoring offense...#17

After 1 year with a coordinator change and the same veteran QB you guys dropped 70 spots in scoring offense. SEVENTY.

How far do you think you drop without Kwiatkowski? Let’s say it’s half. Let’s say you drop 35 slots on scoring defense if he leaves.

That would put you at #43 or about 23.4 basically about where Colorado’s defense is.

That’s if the drop off is half what it was after you lost Smith.

Spend less time on here and more time begging to up Kwiatkowski’s salary because if he goes...you will not be a serious threat to anybody.

 

[ShockandAweWSU]

Jimmy Lake is more important than Kwit. He is an ace recruiter and there secondary has been the strength of their team since he's been there. I was surprised when Pete hired Hamdan. He is not a good OC. Way over his head. Browning and Falk are very similar in a lot of ways. Exceptional WRs masked their deficiencies. When the top talent was gone they really look average. When John Ross and Dante Pettis are your receivers its pretty easy to look good.

 

[Cougatron]

Jimmy Lake is more important than Kwit. He is an ace recruiter and there secondary has been the strength of their team since he's been there. I was surprised when Pete hired Hamdan. He is not a good OC. Way over his head. Browning and Falk are very similar in a lot of ways. Exceptional WRs masked their deficiencies. When the top talent was gone they really look average. When John Ross and Dante Pettis are your receivers its pretty easy to look good.

Lake is essential too, but Kwiatkowski is the foundation. He leaves and everything collapses. That’s why he shared responsibility to keep Lake. They both are important but Lake isn’t the glue. Kwiatkowski is the glue.