Miami in Covid Protocol...
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I forgot. Bill Bob from Millwood was the ramrod behind shutting down businesses, schools and life in the State of Washington. Jay Inslee had NOTHING to do with it.
C'mon Ed. Not even close to factual. This was all Jay Inslee and his cronies.
Ummmm… my apologies . I must have you confused with someone who has compared it to the flu. Not my “MO” to put words in your mouth. So I guess I have to ask…have you ever said the numbers are fake, that you felt similar to the flu?
It is odd after saying you never had said that you bring the flu into the conversation .
The goal posts move… of course they do. Sorry you don’t get that . Ever know someone with cancer. You believe the recovery is a straight line? You believe they have the same protocol and say “oh that didn’t work and most of the time it does, we should just stop treatment”.
It is like a football game. BYU played us by dropping 8 into coverage. When we went empty they blitz us. Point being stuff changes over time . If people masked and vaxed in April and may you may not change in goal posts . You tell me how they anticipate omicron and the shot that is most effective ahead of when it morphs then I would agree with your position. When initial covid was here the vax was very effective against transmission . The new variant … I would bet it is effective 10% of the time . But what the vaccine has always done is be effective against hospitalization and death. Sorry you don’t like that as a result .
Oh yes what I am talking about is very factual . I am not talking about almost a year ago.. I am talking about now. He has zip to do with the NHL shutting down. He has nothing to do football games become canceled . Has nothing to do with A and M canceling . What college in New York went back to zoom learning . That is Biden and Inslee?
As I said 8 months ago …. This will continue to be start and stop until people at this point volunteer to vax and volunteer to wear masks until this is under control. And I don’t expect that to happen so this is going to continue in the near term . And the near term is another two years to me.
The problem is the facts, truth, etc, is not paid attention to, not interpreted correctly, not told,
Facts, truth, correct interpretation:
600k died 1st year, 100 mil cases.
ABOUT 175k died 2nd year, out of about 200 mil cases.
Hospitalizations are down to probably about less then about 17%.
When I went to hospital with stroke 2.5 months ago: Davenport Hospital had maybe 1 covid patient at most, and Hospital practically empty..
Sacred Heart Hospital in Spokane, had about 3,4,5 open, unused ICU/rooms, that could have been used to treat covid patients, but didn't have Covid Patients.
Based on that Hospitals are NOT overwhelmed, overflowing, with Covid Hospitalization cases, at least not in Spokane, and probably not elsewhere.
Mr and Mrs Whybark, a married couple, unvaccinated, about 69 years old, went about 1 and 1/2 years of not getting Covid, they were out and about, then got Covid, not hospitalized, not much worse then cold, flu, for them, they easily survived.
I went 2 years unvaccinated, out and about lots, still haven't got Covid, only got vaccinated 1 month ago, because of Stroke, more vulnerable now.
In Australia, mortality rate is extremely ultimately low, about .09 to .17 to .33 of 1% mortality rate, which lower then FLU. And about 350 dead out of about at least 20k cases, out of about 25 mil people.
Vaccination is only about roughly 67% effective at stopping Covid, and about the same percentage at making it so that not hospitalized, not die.
Mask are only slightly semi effective. Better then nothing, but don't stop Covid particles from getting thru mask to you.
Omicron:
About 3,4,5 times more contagious then Delta, which about 2,3 times more contagious then original Covid 19.
But even tho Omicron is extremely, ultimately contagious, in reporting from UK, South Africa, very few, if any has either died, an or reported dying. Same with hospitalizations. Very few, almost no Hospitalization, deaths, etc,
Health officials from South Africa, said that the colds, flu's, have been worse then Omicron, and that Omicron has been nothing so far, and is nothing so far.
But Omicron is so Contagious, the African, UK health officials expect most everyone in the world to get it, and that it's going to be as contagious as common cold, and that only the strictest, most severe of worldwide lockdown would control it, and that lockdowns are not necessary, because Omicron is nothing serious.
Correct interpretation of the above.
Whether it's Australia, or here in the USA, it's all about either CONTROL OR Misinterpreting things, having bad, lying advisors, Spinning Media, Fear, Knee Jerk, all the above, both, etc.
The media spins things, and does things like mention the 600k dead from 1st year, without any context.
They do that for ratings, money, etc,
That then misleads govt leaders.
Govt leaders reinforce media, mislead, spin, lie, misinterpret, etc, to media, people, fear mongers, etc, to control, stay in power, win elections, make money, etc.
Now with Omicron, Inslee, Brown, Biden, and other Libtards, of their ilk, are fear mongering Omicron, lying, misinforming about Omicron, and shutting down, not listening to Health officials in Africa, UK, that is saying Omicron is nothing.
And they are doing that to stay in power, control, make money.
And now there is even a Covid Pill by Pfizer.
Covid, is now here to stay, it's going to be like the common cold, flu, except slightly worse, and it will be managed, and Vaccines, Covid Pill, Boosters, Better treatment, Better Earlier Diagnosis, Recognition, etc, is going to have a more manageable, treatable, less hospitalized, less deaths, lower mortality rate, etc, that's only going to be slightly worse then the FLU
And after about 3 to 6 to 9 years all this crap by Inslee, Brown, Biden, Govt leaders, etc, over Covid will stop.
The NHL is not schools. That was all on Jay.
Games throughout the state of Washington at all levels were cancelled - Jay.
Businesses closed - Jay.
Jesus … I am talking current day . Inslee is guilty for early 2021 . Does that somehow make you feel better . Colleges were shut down in New York last week. Not top down but bottom up . Decisions that are being made TODAY are bottom up . As they will be in the future .
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Yep the NCAA, and ACC, Pac 12, etc, are only following the lead of Inslee, Gov of CA, Biden, and their own misguided NCAA, ACC, Pac 12, leaders, advisors.
This is most definitely TOP DOWN. The masses are not driving this, they are only FOLLOWING.
It's stupid. Anyone name 1 HS, College Football, NFL, etc, player, or coach that has died or even been hospitalized due to Covid.
Probably won't be able to find or name even 1, and even if find, name 1 out of about 500k, is that reason to shut down football.
I get even 1 life is Important. But there is a lot of things that kill more then 1, that doesn't shut everything down.
If we are going to shut down football, cancel games, bowls, etc, over that 1 may get hospitalized, die, out of 500k, then should do the same over sickle cell, and other things that hurt, kill more then 1.
And if worried about players, coaches, fans, infecting, hospitalizing, killing, the rest of the non football related population, then no need for worry because of vaccination, Boosters, mask, social distancing, better treatment, better recognition, diagnosis, testing, etc, and how Hospitalization, mortality rates, are extremely low.
Nothing about Football is going to cause serious Covid problems, and if it did, it's manageable, treatable, fixable, not that bad, and can be dealt with, without having to shut down football, cancel games, etc.
But Inslee, Gov of CA, Biden, NCAA, ACC, Pac 12, Leaders, Wrong, lying, etc, advisors, Libtards, etc, would wrongfully say otherwise, even tho the facts, truth, science, correct interpretation of facts, etc, context, etc, logic, etc, are against them.
No desire to argue about mandates and all that.....but one of my wife's coworkers came down with COVID about three weeks ago and she was unvaccinated. My wife had COVID a few months ago and was vaccinated. My wife was truly sick for only one day.......her co-worker missed three weeks of work.
Unfortunately, the coworker's father (also unvaccinated) caught COVID from his daughter. My wife just received a text from her friend that they were going to take her father off the ventilator and let nature run it's course. He's expected to pass away in the next day or so.
For all the bullsh!t arguing on here against vaccinations, real people are dying from COVID and the statistics clearly show that vaccinations dramatically reduce your chances of dying from it. People can talk about co-morbidities, individual rights and all that but anyone who doesn't get the vaccine is an idiot. But I'm long past arguing that it should be mandated. Make your own choices as you see fit, but live with the consequences if things go badly.
Unfortunately, the coworker's father (also unvaccinated) caught COVID from his daughter. My wife just received a text from her friend that they were going to take her father off the ventilator and let nature run it's course. He's expected to pass away in the next day or so.
For all the bullsh!t arguing on here against vaccinations, real people are dying from COVID and the statistics clearly show that vaccinations dramatically reduce your chances of dying from it. People can talk about co-morbidities, individual rights and all that but anyone who doesn't get the vaccine is an idiot. But I'm long past arguing that it should be mandated. Make your own choices as you see fit, but live with the consequences if things go badly.
Do you ever stop to read what you are saying . Inslee influenced A and M to cancel . You are sayjng the gov from the state of Washington has more influence than Gregg Abbott? Do you really believe that ? Miami is in protocol . They more than likely will cancel. Do you believe inslee is more powerful than desantis who is the gov in the state in which Miami resides .
Again, what is happening now is all on the schools and the leagues .
You know, I agree with everything you just said here. If the vaccine was a sure fire way to eliminate Covid and move past this, I would take it in a heart beat. But its not. I've encouraged people who have underlying conditions (mainly my mother and father) to get the shot. If idiots are just too ignorant to understand their own risk(s), then they do deserve whatever fate will have dealt to them. Lets stop with the Fvckery and promote real solutions, not the tired azz, retread, nonfunctional tactics this admin continues to push.
Nobody is saying that people like the friend's father do not die from Covid.
People die from Covid. The issue is not that people die from Covid, the issue is THAT THE RATIO OF PEOPLE DYING TO THE NUMBER OF CASES, aka Mortality Rate, is low, aka about a .09 to .17 to .33 of 1% Mortality rate depending on what country, whether vaccinated, etc, or not, and age, demographics, situation, etc.
The issue is that the Hospitalization rate is extremely low.
The issue is that Omicron is same as the cold/flu, and is nothing, so say Africa, and UK, health officials, and the lack of deaths, hospitalizations in UK, Africa where Omicron rampant.
Nobody is saying that the Vaccines don't help.
The Vaccines do help, as do the boosters, as do mask, social distancing.
But the Vaccines, Boosters, are only about, roughly somewhere around about 69% effective. They are better then nothing.
But the reality is that if some people don't get vaxxed, while others get vaxxed, it's probably not gonna affect them, others that much.
Yes 1, couple, few, some, etc, may have a harder time, get hospitalized, die, etc, but it will be no different then those that have a harder time, get hospitalized, die, because they didn't get the Flu Vaccine, even tho they were 70,:and at greater risk of the FLU, and having severe problems if got Flu, because of their being 70, at greater risk in regards to FLU.
Your Friend's father was probably at higher risk and was probably unvaccinated, and probably should have been vaccinated, and even if was vaccinated, he is still one of the 1, couple, few, some that die. Remember the Mortality Rate is about .09 to.17 to .33 of 1%.
For every situation like his, I can cite myself, the Whybark, Cummings, etc, etc, who either was not vaxxed, or vaxxed, and either got Covid or didn't get Covid, and did not have a hard time, and did not get hospitalized, and did not die.
And I personally have seen that Hospitals have NOT been overwhelmed, overflowing.
Just because you have had your family, friend's, neighbors, etc, your town, county, etc, greatly affected by Covid, does NOT mean, that that's how it is everywhere
And it's not like that everywhere.
And the stats, statistics, facts, science, etc, show that it's not like that everywhere else and that the Covid problem is not a problem anymore because of the extremely low Hospitalization, Mortality Rate(.09 to .17 to .33 of 1%), and because of vaccines, boosters, mask, social distancing, Covid Pill, Better treatment, better recognition diagnosis, better prepared, better infrastructure, less deadly strains, variants, like Omicron, Delta, etc.
But do be like Inslee, Biden, etc, and continue to Panic, Fear Monger, and ignore the stats, facts, science, logic, what health officials in Africa, UK, etc, say, etc.
Do continue to misunderstand, misinterpret, follow like a sheep, and panic, and knee Jerk, overreact, etc.
Inslee, Biden, and others of their ilk is so happy with you.
Also this is coming from someone who just got vaccinated last month because my stroke put me at greater risk of Covid, and of being adversely affected by Covid should I get it. Was unvaccinated for 2 years. And I still havent gotten Covid despite being out and about a lot in Spokane.
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Definitely something to think about with how hard the vaccine is getting pushed.
The problem is that no matter what any presidential candidate says in their campaign, they can’t really deliver. They’re roadblocked by the collection of do-nothings we call Congress, who can barely even do something simple like keep the lights on in the government offices. Forget about doing anything novel, and certainly nothing controversial. Their only interest is in collecting pots of cash from corporations.
We’d be better off drawing random SSNs to fill Congress, instead of electing the people we have.
Are you operating under the premise that money only goes to one party or candidate?
Not at all…what does Trump pushing people to get vaccinated/boosted have to do with that?
Follow the money. Or did you link a tweet about Trump just to deflect from Biden?
Binary thinking rules.
Don’t care about Biden, I’m not the one who brought him up…but correctly counterpointed that “people should get vaxxed” isn’t just a Biden/D thing so bitching about them in that context is either not being educated about what the captain of your own team is doing/saying, or just yelling F Biden cuz it gives you a semi to have that little moment with your fellow fan club members.
You are 100% correct about follow the money, it’s the only reason Trump is doing this is because he knows the grifted can’t send him checks from a pine box.
Again- your presumptions are incorrect. The only captain of my team is the good Lord and my spouse.
Neither of them are mean and orange. And the spouse does not have diminished mental capacity.
That’s good to hear, but I’m not presuming anything about you and never did. That said, If he’s not the captain of your team, why are you getting so offended about a response of fact to CIS, who originally derailed this thread in the first place.
"Your fellow fan club members" "Captain of your own team". Nah...that doesn't indicate any kind of bias or insinuation whatsoever.
Nice try again presuming I'm 'offended'. Those internet psychic powers are strong in this one.
For someone who likes to throw reading comprehension in peoples faces you sure are having a difficult time with this one. And your post above completely contradicts itself. “Here’s why I’m offended. Enter. Enter. I’m not offended!”
I really don’t. Go find another thread where I’ve brought him up. Now go find another thread where you haven’t brought Biden up. When someone’s pissing in the wind and I’m standing next to them I’m going to tell them they are getting wet. Feel free to keep on pissing though.
First I may have a total misread on you 11, but I take you for a capitalist . So making money in the vaccine world would seem to fit in that thought process .
However you are wrong. In April of 2020 a friend of mine who knows all the players involved, had business dealings with several of these companies told me that they won’t make large profits off the vaccines . They (ceos) realize this is a once in a lifetime pandemic, that their science and product is needed for the good of everyone, including their companies as they get federal help in future drugs . He flat out said the money is in the stock price . The stocks are trading 30 times . So if the ceo was worth 10 mil two years ago he is now worth 300.
The “push” to get people vaxed is the same reason there was a push to get people vaxed for polio back in the 50’s. It is to have a full functioning economy abs where schools and activities are not closed and canceled.
George Washjngton University made a bottom up decision to go to online learning in January. So these decisions will continue to be made from bottom up.
Actually CIS …it could be said you have the same hard on for trump. But I digress.
Well I agree could have had a better presidency if he didn’t try to sell Covid and nothing to see here, and also his chief of staff and others in the party try to taint his legacy and bring him into an insurrection . Rick Perry sends Meadows a text before Georgia and Arizona are finalized and says “we need to have an aggressive strategy and lays out steps to over turn an election that hasn’t been called. Jim Jordan sends Meadows a text how states just need to ignore the electorates and send it to the Supreme Court .So if trying to thwart democracy and have an autocracy is a great presidency then I will agree with your position . He had the greatest.
Your CEO friend is obviously working for the wrong outfit.
MRNA closed at $21.82 on March 11, 2019.
MRNA closing price yesterday was $249.99.
Paying off government officials is not capitalism. Greasing corporate profits at the expense of the taxpayers is not capitalism. As stated previously, there's no money in alternative treatment protocols. The corporatists are all in and Don Draper is working overtime to pump out the advertising without disclosure or liability on potential side effects.
That’s not capitalism. That’s giving them the old razzle dazzle for those familiar with musical theater. Amazing how spot on the lyrics are.
MRNA closed at $21.82 on March 11, 2019.
MRNA closing price yesterday was $249.99.
Paying off government officials is not capitalism. Greasing corporate profits at the expense of the taxpayers is not capitalism. As stated previously, there's no money in alternative treatment protocols. The corporatists are all in and Don Draper is working overtime to pump out the advertising without disclosure or liability on potential side effects.
That’s not capitalism. That’s giving them the old razzle dazzle for those familiar with musical theater. Amazing how spot on the lyrics are.
Again, you think Moderna and Biontech "lobbied" and had tons of pull before now? Ten dollar stocks do not have strong lobbies.
So you and I don't have to directly pay for the vaccine. So the federal government is paying for it. Your belief is these companies are soaking the fed who they will need something from in the future for short term profits. Again, the money they have made is off the stock price. And when they report earnings we will know what they made.
As to my friend, why the wrong outfit? Again, he knows all the players involved, he has intimate knowledge of the business and he told me long before the vaccines were developed that there will be very little margin on the product.
Yes, I get your cynicism but it is not correctly placed in this case.
And speaking of capitalism, you think giving PPP money out for car dealers for example who had their best year ever without paying it back is capitalism? Or mortgage companies like Countrywide getting a bail out is capitalism? Not saure what you think of capitalism actually exists.
I got an idea. Let’s kill this MF right here and all stop talking about politics. Discussions about football and covid impacts can be done without getting political. We all hate the shit no matter how we vote and just want to support the Cougs and watch FB. I don’t want likes and don’t give a shit to get any but let’s let this thread die and try to keep the crap out of future discussions. Maybe we need a safe word or something. Dancing footballs?
90 I totally agree with you on this.
But I think it’s a pipe dream considering the history of this site. And most sites, for that matter.
Regardless, Happy Holidays to all. And a big Go Cougs!
But I think it’s a pipe dream considering the history of this site. And most sites, for that matter.
Regardless, Happy Holidays to all. And a big Go Cougs!
I don’t care if you get vaccinated or not but why does Marjorie Taylor Greene own stock in 3 Vaccine manufacturers if your against the vaccine. I guess profiting is ok just as long as you keep making money. IMO it’s a form of dirty money
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