I apologize for supporting Dickert and this team earlier in the season. We suck.
My apologies
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Yea, jeez. I said they could still win 9 games. That sounds positively ludicrous now. I’ll be surprised if they get 6. What a disappointment.
Another confession regretting their conditional support of the Cougars by a “TruFan”
Always special.
Always special.
Feel free to f#ck off. I'll be in Pullman this weekend watching us suck against Stanford.
I'm not going to make excuses for Dickert or waste energy arguing about our program though.
Yeah don’t get this…lets shit on people who support the program because they misjudged the potential of the team…and admitted it? I suppose it’s more honorable to constantly double and triple down on stupidity and then not show up?
I’ll be there Saturday too, even though the program “doesn’t need fans like me”.
I've never posted this before, but as I get within a few years of retirement and reflect back, I am completely, absolutely convinced that my time as a Coug fan (since I was about 10 years old) was a part of the personality development that helped me succeed later in life. I won't go into details, but my career has benefitted from learning early how to root for a team even though things don't always go well. Living in SoCal, I compare that to folks who went to SC (and I know many of them), who came to believe somewhere in their heart of hearts that if you just throw enough money at it and cheat when necessary, you can win. I'm not saying they all do that, because they don't...but most of them are honest enough to admit to themselves that it is a potential path forward that they have seen gets results. You never see this side of them when they are winning, but their current struggles are an example of a time when it becomes highly visible, mostly by the nature of the complaints that you hear them make. I nearly dropped my teeth when I heard one guy complain that the entire problem was that they don't have enough NIL money...! I guess it is always nice to see how the other half lives. I've heard essentially the same thing for decades from UW fans when they are unhappy. I've also heard it from Cougs, but to much less of a degree.
Another aspect of being a devoted Coug seems to be an ability to be humble and not pile on even when we win. I think we appreciate the good times a bit more than those who simply take them for granted. And understanding that life is a struggle, during which there are both highs and lows, and mistakes will be made, is a realization that prepares us for those lows and those mistakes. Not saying I like lows or mistakes, but I think Coug fans get to learn how to deal with them more effectively than some others. At this point in my life, I consider it to be part of my Coug education. And I can't say that none of us whine (or as my English friends say, "Whinge"), because we do. But we also understand that we'll find a way forward, even when the world seems to be cr*pping on us.
Another aspect of being a devoted Coug seems to be an ability to be humble and not pile on even when we win. I think we appreciate the good times a bit more than those who simply take them for granted. And understanding that life is a struggle, during which there are both highs and lows, and mistakes will be made, is a realization that prepares us for those lows and those mistakes. Not saying I like lows or mistakes, but I think Coug fans get to learn how to deal with them more effectively than some others. At this point in my life, I consider it to be part of my Coug education. And I can't say that none of us whine (or as my English friends say, "Whinge"), because we do. But we also understand that we'll find a way forward, even when the world seems to be cr*pping on us.
I don’t disagree, but this runs dangerously close to what a certain UW coach said about us once…in a much more disparaging way.
I think historically, we’ve been better at shaking off adversity, not dwelling in failure or clinging to success. Basically, living in today. Other programs and fan bases that I don’t need to name get locked into “we won 30 years ago, so we always should” and “you can’t be good, because you never have been.” Those perspectives carry beyond football for them and for us.
Sadly, I’m not sure that is continuing. The current crop seems to be much less able to cope, they have extreme reactions to things that shouldn’t matter and complete indifference to things that should. There’s much less fight in them than there used to be, they resign to their fate and quit rather than deciding to stick their finger in someone’s eye while they can (we may be seeing this on the field right now). As a collective, we seem to have moved from “nobody believes in us, so let’s prove them wrong” to “nobody believes in us, so we must really suck.”
For me, I think that shift has done even more than NLI and the portal to diminish my interest. I’m just not that interested in watching a team that has no fight in it. For decades, I’ve loved watching groups of kids who’ve been told they’re not good enough go out and beat the people who told them. We see that less now. Kids today get told they’re not good enough, and they believe it. It’s no longer a motivator. Add the portal, NIL, and realignment, and it means the whole system is blatantly rigged to reward the programs with expectations based on yesterday. Considered all together, it just strips away all enjoyment.
Tough circumstances for a young coach. I'm not going to make excuses for Dickert, but I'm also not going to hang him out to dry. Leach leaving, COVID, Rolo's BS, NIL, JDL, Portal expansion, conference realignment. Our program has been through a lot over the past 3-4 years.
The transformative things that college football is facing as a whole have impacted WSU more than any other P5 program. Yes, Oregon State is dealing with similar challenges, but their program, coaching staff, system, and roster were/are more stable than ours. Trust me, the same things we're going though are going to hit them eventually as well.
There's chatter on brand-x that our players have been engaging in open conversations about transferring in the locker room. That's certainly not surprising to hear. I'm sure our entire coaching staff are having similar discussions among themselves.
The dark days we're facing are going to hit a lot of programs, and in my opinion, college football will never be the same again.
The transformative things that college football is facing as a whole have impacted WSU more than any other P5 program. Yes, Oregon State is dealing with similar challenges, but their program, coaching staff, system, and roster were/are more stable than ours. Trust me, the same things we're going though are going to hit them eventually as well.
There's chatter on brand-x that our players have been engaging in open conversations about transferring in the locker room. That's certainly not surprising to hear. I'm sure our entire coaching staff are having similar discussions among themselves.
The dark days we're facing are going to hit a lot of programs, and in my opinion, college football will never be the same again.
The dark days are just hitting us sooner, there are about 20-30 other power 5 programs that will be dealing with the same rejection in the next 3-5 years, or sooner, and more after that. Sad but the college football that we all loved to follow and watch every fall, no longer exists.
Your posts are probably all realistic. The sport we love has (pick your words) evolved, been corrupted, or never was what we idealized it to be. None the less, we enjoy it. We have exceptionally fond memories of our time at WSU. And ultimately we will support the school, even if we p*ss on what ever the semi-pro version of NCAAF turns out to be.
Not sure I fully agree. Can’t really say I’ve been enjoying it like I used to, and that’s been the case since probably 2019. And, when I reach the point where I disengage - and it’s not far away - I’ll still support the school, but not athletics.
Where on Brand X? The premium board? I don't see this anywhere else on that site, and the titles of the Premium threads (I don't subscribe) don't allude to these "open conversations".
Clarify please.
And our coaches might bail? To where? If by some miracle we go 7-5 and win our bowl game (if there is one) then maybe someone might pick off one or two. If we go 5-7 or 4-8, they may be fired.
I see it now, thanks. 68 replies! I see Etown is a premium member. C'mon E, give us some highlights....
it wouldnt be a surprise if this were true, but it could also be on the level of the big12 rumors that were flying around recently
the B12 rumors are still flying around. People with “sources” saying the legal process with the P12 just needs to work itself out. I’m not all in on this theory but think it still has merit.
If you still believe we end up in the Big 12, then I have waterfront property in Death Valley to sell you
If true then it is all about the money. Would WSU get the $30 million/year if they were to jump (if offered)? What about the Pac-12 future BB and Rose Bowl distributions if the Pac-2 folds? Does that just go away, or does it become a 12-way split for the next 2-6 years?
And do we really want to join a league that has 1 team west of the Rockies? The 4 Texas schools are attractive, recruiting-wise, But how about WV, Cincinnati and UCF? Even the Texas schools - it's over 2,000 miles to Houston. And 1,800 miles to Oklahoma State.
Questions, questions.......
The purpose of remaining in a Power 5 conference is the College Football Playoff and the money that will come along with that.
The writing is on the wall. The Big XII will splinter before the next media deal. CU has already proven (twice) its commitment only lasts as long as the TV deal. I'm assuming that the next round of realignment will include flat out chucking members out of conferences.
Ehh, it's more than just the FB Playoff. More research needed, but my dog needs to go out.
Interesting snippet from an NCAA.org document:
"Conference realignment:
a. If an institution leaves a conference to join another conference or becomes independent, while the former conference remains in operation, the units previously earned by the institution remain with the former conference.
b. If an independent institution joins a conference, it retains the units it earned as an independent prior to the date it elected to join the conference; any units the institution earns after that date accrue to the conference.
c. If a conference notifies the NCAA that it has ceased operations each institution retains the units it earned in the Basketball Performance Fund.
d. Impact of Division I multi-sport conference status (Bylaw 20.02.8):
i. During the two-year grace period, a conference will still accrue units and receive revenue distribution.
ii. By the end of the two-year grace period, if the conference meets the active Division I multi-sport conference requirements, it will maintain all the unit(s) earned by its member institutions over the six-year rolling period.
iii. After the two-year grace period, if the conference still does not meet the active Division I multisport conference requirements, the remaining member institutions will retain the unit(s) they have earned. Unit(s) earned by an institution which had previously left the conference will revert to that institution, if it is an independent, or its new conference. a. In the rare case that such a conference subsequently reconstitutes and meets the Division I multi-sport conference requirements, sometime after the two-year grace period, it will be treated as a new conference, for the purposes of unit accrual and revenue distribution."
Hope our attorneys read this stuff.
Yes it is all about the money. And yes we do want to stay P5, the alternative is a death penalty for athletics as we know it.
The rumors are t anything new it’s the same stuff floated by the B12 podcast guys just with context that things will get more clear once the legal stuff is settled.
Seems pretty cut and dried and shows why it is so important for WSU/OSU to be able to gain control of the PAC conference. Wouldn't that really be a kick in the nuts to the likes of ucla and arizona?
Good find, and I also hope that the attorneys are paying close attention to this stuff.
Part a. doesn't override conference bylaws. But obviously it's good for WSU and OSU.
And what are you saying here? Womens golf is driving realignment?
Is that your legal opinion? The NCAA doles out the money. Seens like their rules should trump all else. This is pretty black and white.
And Women's golf. WTF does that mean?
BTW, "the active Division I multisport conference requirements" means having 14 sports. We have 15 so we are golden there.
Yes, that is my legal opinion. The NCAA doesn't dole out the money for the college football playoff, BECAUSE THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF IS NOT A NCAA SANCTIONED EVENT. FCS is under the NCAA. FBS is not. And as stated, NCAA bylaws would not override how the conference decides to distribute money anyway.
Ok Smartyboots. My excerpt was taken from the NCAA Basketball Tournament section of the document,=. SO there.
So what? The NCAA doesn't get to decide how a conference distributes money.
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