New executive order...

[BiggsCoug]

THAT'S BS.

I don't drive. I don't have a driver's license. I get 16k per year. I am financially poor. I have a WA state, STATE ENHANCED ID CARD.

Yes it cost me about $100, and was a inconvenience, and I had to budget for it.

But since homeless people, etc, have $150+ Smartphones, they can also afford a ID card, whether Driver's License, State ID card, etc.

And if they can't afford it because they choose to buy a $750 phone, etc, instead, or because they do drugs, etc, because they are like Beavis and Butthead, and are Beavis and Butthead types, then they choose that over voting, and dont deserve to vote, and shouldn't vote, and aren't qualified to vote, etc.

I dont believe you deserve to vote. Nor are you mentally capable of voting. But here you are.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

You think the answer is simple...but it's not. The objective is one vote per citizen if they are Republican. If they are liberals...let's see what we can do to make it more frustrating to vote. As has been discussed before, a lot of people in larger cities don't have cars and thus, they don't have drivers licenses. They also know that large cities have limited resources for handling these kinds of regulatory requirement changes...increasing the odds that voters will not be able to get registered to vote before an election because of bureaucratic issues. Republicans know that residents of large cities vote more Democrat than not.....so it's a willful choice to make it harder for those people to get registered. All BS aside, Republicans hope to gain an advantage with this order.

That said, I think that we should absolutely make it easier for Americans to get ID's and properly documented so this isn't a discussion. I do think it's better to get everyone eligible a free Voter ID card that just eliminates all of the rhetoric and BS. Instead of spending $18 million per month on golf trips for the Cheeto...let's spend that getting ID's into voters hands.

I'll finish by saying that it's good to see the decision made now instead of two months before elections. At least people have time to deal with it.

You sure you don't need to see a doctor now, because that's quite a fcking stretch even for you.

Love that you point out how poorly run large cities are though, and that the several layers of large government bureaucracies make things less efficient not more.

Having a ID is about illegals, not some ultra-liberal hippie in SF who tucks their pants into their socks while they ride their fixie to work in the rain. Oregon has made is so you can basically have a heartbeat and you can vote. They've made zero obstructions to getting an Oregon drivers license, which makes one eligible to vote - even though a Mexican driver's license is perfectly acceptable for those here on a work visa.

Don't get me twisted - I want these people here working, but not voting. I'd prefer them here legally, but since neither side is willing to come up with an actual solution besides "ship them all back" or "open the flood gates and all services free of charge", at least we can address non-citizens not being eligible to vote in federal elections, which I would assume is a non-starter for everyone. Right?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

You sure you don't need to see a doctor now, because that's quite a fcking stretch even for you.

Love that you point out how poorly run large cities are though, and that the several layers of large government bureaucracies make things less efficient not more.

Having a ID is about illegals, not some ultra-liberal hippie in SF who tucks their pants into their socks while they ride their fixie to work in the rain. Oregon has made is so you can basically have a heartbeat and you can vote. They've made zero obstructions to getting an Oregon drivers license, which makes one eligible to vote - even though a Mexican driver's license is perfectly acceptable for those here on a work visa.

Don't get me twisted - I want these people here working, but not voting. I'd prefer them here legally, but since neither side is willing to come up with an actual solution besides "ship them all back" or "open the flood gates and all services free of charge", at least we can address non-citizens not being eligible to vote in federal elections, which I would assume is a non-starter for everyone. Right?

I said that I think we should implement a free Voter ID system that takes the question away. I didn't say that there shouldn't be requirements to get a voter ID. I show my ID in Kansas and it's not a big deal. We just need to find a way to get Voter ID's out to eligible voters.

Nevertheless, this conversation isn't really about fair voting practices or one person/one vote. Republicans are 100% behind the creation of systems that give them the advantage. Not saying Democrats aren't guilty of the same, but the voter ID push is not about free and fair elections, it's about creating roadblocks to discourage folks that aren't diehard Republicans. They don't want swing voters who lack conviction and they don't want large urban centers to be represented.

Do you know why Trump wants voting cut off at 7 pm or whatever time a state chooses? Because he knows that statistically, the voters getting f#cked out of a vote are in larger urban areas and statistically more likely to be Democrat.

 

[UberCougars]

OKAY ✅

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

I said that I think we should implement a free Voter ID system that takes the question away. I didn't say that there shouldn't be requirements to get a voter ID. I show my ID in Kansas and it's not a big deal. We just need to find a way to get Voter ID's out to eligible voters.

Nevertheless, this conversation isn't really about fair voting practices or one person/one vote. Republicans are 100% behind the creation of systems that give them the advantage. Not saying Democrats aren't guilty of the same, but the voter ID push is not about free and fair elections, it's about creating roadblocks to discourage folks that aren't diehard Republicans. They don't want swing voters who lack conviction and they don't want large urban centers to be represented.

Do you know why Trump wants voting cut off at 7 pm or whatever time a state chooses? Because he knows that statistically, the voters getting f#cked out of a vote are in larger urban areas and statistically more likely to be Democrat.

Are these super secret stats that only Trump haters are privy to, or can you share your sources? re: the voters getting fckd by cutoff times.

Thx

 

[Cougar_Guy]

Are these super secret stats that only Trump haters are privy to, or can you share your sources? re: the voters getting fckd by cutoff times.

Thx

"A 2020 analysis by The New York Times, using smartphone location data from Cuebiq, found that voters in poorer, less white neighborhoods—often urban—faced longer waits on Election Day than those in whiter, more affluent (often rural or suburban) areas. While most voters waited 20 minutes or less, those in majority-nonwhite neighborhoods were more likely to experience extreme delays. Similarly, a 2019 Scientific American study of 2016 data showed voters in majority-Black neighborhoods waited longer than those in white areas, with urban precincts more affected due to higher voter density. In Georgia’s 2020 primary, urban voters in Union City (88% Black) endured five-hour waits, per NPR, while rural counties like Forsyth averaged 8,000 voters per polling place but saw fewer reported delays.

Voter turnout data also hints at disparities. Pew Research Center’s 2023 analysis of the 2022 midterms showed urban voters (68% Democratic) had lower turnout among 2018 Democratic supporters (31% didn’t vote in 2022) compared to rural voters (22% of 2018 Republican supporters didn’t vote). This suggests urban voters face more barriers—potentially including access issues tied to fewer polling sites or longer lines."

It's not just cutoff times per se, but less polling locations since 2013 contribute to increased travel, congestions, and longer wait times to vote and closing poll locations earlier would add another barrier to in-person voting in urban areas.

 

[UberCougars]

Are polling stations still a thing?

Washington maintains drop boxes but voting has gone to mail-in

As for your “study” since all elections are local, wait times are a local issue.

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

"A 2020 analysis by The New York Times, using smartphone location data from Cuebiq, found that voters in poorer, less white neighborhoods—often urban—faced longer waits on Election Day than those in whiter, more affluent (often rural or suburban) areas. While most voters waited 20 minutes or less, those in majority-nonwhite neighborhoods were more likely to experience extreme delays. Similarly, a 2019 Scientific American study of 2016 data showed voters in majority-Black neighborhoods waited longer than those in white areas, with urban precincts more affected due to higher voter density. In Georgia’s 2020 primary, urban voters in Union City (88% Black) endured five-hour waits, per NPR, while rural counties like Forsyth averaged 8,000 voters per polling place but saw fewer reported delays.

Voter turnout data also hints at disparities. Pew Research Center’s 2023 analysis of the 2022 midterms showed urban voters (68% Democratic) had lower turnout among 2018 Democratic supporters (31% didn’t vote in 2022) compared to rural voters (22% of 2018 Republican supporters didn’t vote). This suggests urban voters face more barriers—potentially including access issues tied to fewer polling sites or longer lines."

It's not just cutoff times per se, but less polling locations since 2013 contribute to increased travel, congestions, and longer wait times to vote and closing poll locations earlier would add another barrier to in-person voting in urban areas.

Awesome, thank you so much.

So what you're saying is that the idea of a cutoff time - because there has to be one whether it be 7pm or 9pm - isn't the actual issue, the actual issue is a lack of access to polling places/ not enough polling places in urban areas. Who's responsibility is that?

 

[Cougar_Guy]

Are polling stations still a thing?

Washington maintains drop boxes but voting has gone to mail-in

As for your “study” since all elections are local, wait times are a local issue.

Yes polling stations are still a thing in many states, but not Washington. It's sort of a local issue... the 15th amendment guarantees equal access to voting and so if localities aren't doing this then it would be a federal violation. While it happens at the local level it's really a national issue.

Awesome, thank you so much.

So what you're saying is that the idea of a cutoff time - because there has to be one whether it be 7pm or 9pm - isn't the actual issue, the actual issue is a lack of access to polling places/ not enough polling places in urban areas. Who's responsibility is that?

One of the big pieces of legislation passed in the civil rights movement was the 1965 Voting Rights Act. This piece of legislation had been successful in reducing discrimination in administration of voting practices, however, since the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision, no legislation has been successfully passed at the federal level to fully restore or strengthen the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to its pre-2013 strength.

After this decision, which was viewed as a product of the Supreme Court’s conservative majority at the time, several Republican dominated states have passed restrictive voting laws that would have previously been blocked under the VRA. This includes reduced access to polling stations.

A deep partisan divide is "responsible" for the way things have evolved since 2013, including a conservative majority supreme court, and blockage by the Republican party of any subsequent legislation meant to fix the perceived issues with the VRA. While voting happens at the local level, equal access to voting is guaranteed by the constitution and should be federally enforced if localities are not meeting the bar. You may remember this: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-02-11-mn-21749-story.html States and localities only have so much influence on the rules and regs of voting unfortunately. What do you think?

 

[BleedCrimsonandGray]

Yes polling stations are still a thing in many states, but not Washington. It's sort of a local issue... the 15th amendment guarantees equal access to voting and so if localities aren't doing this then it would be a federal violation. While it happens at the local level it's really a national issue.


One of the big pieces of legislation passed in the civil rights movement was the 1965 Voting Rights Act. This piece of legislation had been successful in reducing discrimination in administration of voting practices, however, since the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision, no legislation has been successfully passed at the federal level to fully restore or strengthen the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to its pre-2013 strength.

After this decision, which was viewed as a product of the Supreme Court’s conservative majority at the time, several Republican dominated states have passed restrictive voting laws that would have previously been blocked under the VRA. This includes reduced access to polling stations.

A deep partisan divide is "responsible" for the way things have evolved since 2013, including a conservative majority supreme court, and blockage by the Republican party of any subsequent legislation meant to fix the perceived issues with the VRA. While voting happens at the local level, equal access to voting is guaranteed by the constitution and should be federally enforced if localities are not meeting the bar. You may remember this: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-02-11-mn-21749-story.html States and localities only have so much influence on the rules and regs of voting unfortunately. What do you think?

Sorry CG, but reads like a cut-n-paste.

Can you be specific as to what laws have restricted access to polls? And again, we're talking about US citizens, right?

** I'm going through this website and the linked sources.

The State of Voting in 2014

In advance of this crucial midterm election, this report details new voting restrictions put in place over the past few years, laws in place for the first time in 2014, and major lawsuits that could affect this year’s elections. See all our 2014 voting resources.

www.brennancenter.org

There seems to be a lot of "cut off the nose to spite the face" thinking if these are targeted at minorities, eg the North Carolina early voting affects a ton of white people too. Not as many as black voters, but a lot.

I'm not saying fckery isn't afoot - for sure both sides are dirty as hell trying to move votes, and honestly I'd say its more about state elections than federal as far as how effective it is (see my example of OR voting laws vis a vis an Oregon drivers license). If they get rid of mail-in and make me go stand in a line for an hour, I'm no longer casting a vote. That's it. I'm sure I'm not the only one. But on the other side of this you have OR folks handing out DLs to anyone with a pulse as well as making that the only requirement for voting. And I'm sure they were emboldened by knowing the VRA would back them up, claiming... shit, I don't even know. But that was 100% about getting illegals to vote D. 100%. Justify that for me. And the people of Oregon have to sit there and just take it.

All that being said - and I'm not going to spend time today researching it - I'd love to see some actual data on how the 2014 laws affected voter turn out in the affected areas. Not just cherry picked minority numbers, but white voters as well.

 

[95coug]

Yes polling stations are still a thing in many states, but not Washington. It's sort of a local issue... the 15th amendment guarantees equal access to voting and so if localities aren't doing this then it would be a federal violation. While it happens at the local level it's really a national issue.


One of the big pieces of legislation passed in the civil rights movement was the 1965 Voting Rights Act. This piece of legislation had been successful in reducing discrimination in administration of voting practices, however, since the 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision, no legislation has been successfully passed at the federal level to fully restore or strengthen the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to its pre-2013 strength.

After this decision, which was viewed as a product of the Supreme Court’s conservative majority at the time, several Republican dominated states have passed restrictive voting laws that would have previously been blocked under the VRA. This includes reduced access to polling stations.

A deep partisan divide is "responsible" for the way things have evolved since 2013, including a conservative majority supreme court, and blockage by the Republican party of any subsequent legislation meant to fix the perceived issues with the VRA. While voting happens at the local level, equal access to voting is guaranteed by the constitution and should be federally enforced if localities are not meeting the bar. You may remember this: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-02-11-mn-21749-story.html States and localities only have so much influence on the rules and regs of voting unfortunately. What do you think?

Polling places in Washington are now called “voter engagement centers.” You can go there, register to vote, print your ballot, and then leave it in a ballot drop box. No voting machines, but the function works out to be the same.

College campuses in WA have been required to have a voter hub on campus for 4-5 years now, open to the community.

 

[95coug]

"A 2020 analysis by The New York Times, using smartphone location data from Cuebiq, found that voters in poorer, less white neighborhoods—often urban—faced longer waits on Election Day than those in whiter, more affluent (often rural or suburban) areas. While most voters waited 20 minutes or less, those in majority-nonwhite neighborhoods were more likely to experience extreme delays. Similarly, a 2019 Scientific American study of 2016 data showed voters in majority-Black neighborhoods waited longer than those in white areas, with urban precincts more affected due to higher voter density. In Georgia’s 2020 primary, urban voters in Union City (88% Black) endured five-hour waits, per NPR, while rural counties like Forsyth averaged 8,000 voters per polling place but saw fewer reported delays.

Voter turnout data also hints at disparities. Pew Research Center’s 2023 analysis of the 2022 midterms showed urban voters (68% Democratic) had lower turnout among 2018 Democratic supporters (31% didn’t vote in 2022) compared to rural voters (22% of 2018 Republican supporters didn’t vote). This suggests urban voters face more barriers—potentially including access issues tied to fewer polling sites or longer lines."

It's not just cutoff times per se, but less polling locations since 2013 contribute to increased travel, congestions, and longer wait times to vote and closing poll locations earlier would add another barrier to in-person voting in urban areas.

While this certainly impacts access to polling stations, I see another issue that I haven’t seen mentioned much: the continuous attack on sources of information. He’s got a long history of issues with the media, but look at what has been targeted or muzzled in this term:

USAID. Radio Free America. CDC, and medical info from all government agencies. Colleges and universities, and the entire education system. Libraries and museums. NPR. PBS. They’re systematically reducing, closing, or clamping down on sources of public information and education…and nobody seems to notice.

 

[BiggsCoug]

While this certainly impacts access to polling stations, I see another issue that I haven’t seen mentioned much: the continuous attack on sources of information. He’s got a long history of issues with the media, but look at what has been targeted or muzzled in this term:

USAID. Radio Free America. CDC, and medical info from all government agencies. Colleges and universities, and the entire education system. Libraries and museums. NPR. PBS. They’re systematically reducing, closing, or clamping down on sources of public information and education…and nobody seems to notice.

He is moving it towards a dictatorship. It is no longer “We the People.” It is “We the Cult.”

 

[COUGinNCW]

While this certainly impacts access to polling stations, I see another issue that I haven’t seen mentioned much: the continuous attack on sources of information. He’s got a long history of issues with the media, but look at what has been targeted or muzzled in this term:

USAID. Radio Free America. CDC, and medical info from all government agencies. Colleges and universities, and the entire education system. Libraries and museums. NPR. PBS. They’re systematically reducing, closing, or clamping down on sources of public information and education…and nobody seems to notice.

Removing the APs access.

Odds the Atlantic gets access removed as well?

 

[Observer11]

He is moving it towards a dictatorship. It is no longer “We the People.” It is “We the Cult.”

Literally HITLER!!!

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Literally HITLER!!!

You love doing that and it really isn't a thing....other than the cult-like devotion that you people have for him is similar.

What blows my mind is how the MAGA crowd has completely lost the ability to take a step back and view things from the other perspective. If Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were doing what Trump has done in the past two months, y'all would be losing your damned minds. Instead, you just pretend what is happening is normal.

 

[Observer11]

You love doing that and it really isn't a thing....other than the cult-like devotion that you people have for him is similar.

What blows my mind is how the MAGA crowd has completely lost the ability to take a step back and view things from the other perspective. If Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were doing what Trump has done in the past two months, y'all would be losing your damned minds. Instead, you just pretend what is happening is normal.

Many fine people believe that.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Many fine people believe that.

You boys go do your thing. We won't judge you for it.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Literally HITLER!!!

I guess we will find out. He just started his term. Unless of course maga finds a way to add another term….

 

[95coug]

I guess we will find out. He just started his term. Unless of course maga finds a way to add another term….

That gets easier when you start reducing information sources and controlling the remaining ones.

 

[BiggsCoug]

That gets easier when you start reducing information sources and controlling the remaining ones.

One small step at a time to see how far you can go.

 

[CougEd]

Are these super secret stats that only Trump haters are privy to, or can you share your sources? re: the voters getting fckd by cutoff times.

Thx

Just listen to Elon... he let the cat out of the bag when it came to immigrants ... "they typically vote with the Dems.

If this was about exhaustion of resources, why would he ever mention how they vote?

 

[UberCougars]

quite the revelation.

“Follow the law or change the law”

Groundbreaking concept.

 

[95coug]

quite the revelation.

“Follow the law or change the law”

Groundbreaking concept.

Actually, should be "follow the law...until the law is changed"

 

[WillieThePimp]

That gets easier when you start reducing information sources and controlling the remaining ones.

Speaking of which, saw this the other day regarding online political content and how it skews heavily to the right. This includes programs that aren’t supposedly overtly political but present political leanings nonetheless. Remember this the next you hear some rightwing snowflake whining about liberal bias.

https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/D8Image/2025/03/06/onlineshows-mark5.png

Here is the full article:

The right dominates the online media ecosystem, seeping into sports, comedy, and other supposedly nonpolitical spaces

As Americans increasingly get their news from online shows and streamers, the influence of this media ecosystem becomes more prominent — and Media Matters has found that the most popular of this content is overwhelmingly right-leaning.In a new study, Media Matters assessed the audience size of...

www.mediamatters.org

 

[Observer11]

I guess we will find out. He just started his term. Unless of course maga finds a way to add another term….

Well, then he’d be literally FDR

 

[WillieThePimp]

Well, then he’d be literally FDR

If Donnie can run again in 2028 we know what that means - 4 more years of Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[Coug90]

Speaking of which, saw this the other day regarding online political content and how it skews heavily to the right. This includes programs that aren’t supposedly overtly political but present political leanings nonetheless. Remember this the next you hear some rightwing snowflake whining about liberal bias.

https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/D8Image/2025/03/06/onlineshows-mark5.png

Here is the full article:

The right dominates the online media ecosystem, seeping into sports, comedy, and other supposedly nonpolitical spaces

As Americans increasingly get their news from online shows and streamers, the influence of this media ecosystem becomes more prominent — and Media Matters has found that the most popular of this content is overwhelmingly right-leaning.In a new study, Media Matters assessed the audience size of...

www.mediamatters.org

That’s not what Uber Loomer and Rogan told me!!!

 

[Loyal Coug1]

That’s not what Uber Loomer and Rogan told me!!!

Shouldn't this post be in the "fair and balanced" thread?

 

[CougEd]

Well, then he’d be literally FDR

Oh if that happens it will be great tk see an 82 year old Trump vs a 60 plus year old Obama....

 

[COUGinNCW]

If Donnie can run again in 2028 we know what that means - 4 more years of Barack Hussein Obama.

I’m going all Brian Bosworth and will be copyrighting Trump 2028. MAGA will make me a pile of money with all the T Shirts,Hats and Signs they’ll buy. Understanding basic civics will not be a requirement to purchase.

 

[CougEd]

I’m going all Brian Bosworth and will be copyrighting Trump 2028. MAGA will make me a pile of money with all the T Shirts,Hats and Signs they’ll buy. Understanding basic civics will not be a requirement to purchase.

Oh we have an understanding how "old" civics lessons worked ... however that is when Canada was an Allie and Russia was an enemy. Ever read the book 1984?

 

[UberCougars]

Are those the civics lessons that teach the elected Executive must first gain the authorization of 660 unelected inferior judges before lighting the National candle?

 

[Observer11]

Oh we have an understanding how "old" civics lessons worked ... however that is when Canada was an Allie and Russia was an enemy. Ever read the book 1984?

Canada was actually an enemy first 0-1-1 all time vs. Canada. Don't ever recall US troops and Russian troops going head to head.

Lots of shady proxies for sure. Still are. Those should stop.

 

[Coug90]

I’m going all Brian Bosworth and will be copyrighting Trump 2028. MAGA will make me a pile of money with all the T Shirts,Hats and Signs they’ll buy. Understanding basic civics will not be a requirement to purchase.

I think you’ve already been beat to it. I’ve already seen Trump forever stuff, Jr/Ivanka 28/32, shit like that. Hell Trump retweeted a thing that had a rapid timeline of Trump 28, 32, etc etc. But yeah definitely not a cult and he’s definitely not fascist 🥴

 

[Observer11]

I think you’ve already been beat to it. I’ve already seen Trump forever stuff, Jr/Ivanka 28/32, shit like that. Hell Trump retweeted a thing that had a rapid timeline of Trump 28, 32, etc etc. But yeah definitely not a cult and he’s definitely not fascist 🥴

Barron won't be old enough to run for President until about 2042.

 

[fingerdisco]

I think you’ve already been beat to it. I’ve already seen Trump forever stuff, Jr/Ivanka 28/32, shit like that. Hell Trump retweeted a thing that had a rapid timeline of Trump 28, 32, etc etc. But yeah definitely not a cult and he’s definitely not fascist 🥴

Where can we get about 70 million cups of Jim Jones Fruit Punch to hand out to his fans?

 

[Observer11]

Where can we get about 70 million cups of Jim Jones Fruit Punch to hand out to his fans?

Don't worry. Gates and Fauci are working on it.

 

[Coug90]

Barron won't be old enough to run for President until about 2042.

He may find out by then that Trump isn’t his dad though.

 

[BiggsCoug]

He may find out by then that Trump isn’t his dad though.

I cant wait for Melania’s Musk baby bump.