Nice win today

[CougPatrol]

Rhode Island has been down recently, but they're well rooted program back East. Multiple NCAA tourney visits over the years and an elite 8 appearance back in the day.

We seem to have a lot of depth this year, and multiple bigs who can so some things.

 

[7ICoug]

They seem to be figuring out how all the pieces fit together. Clearly Rice, Yesufu are now joined by Houinsou as the third ball handler. Jones, Cluff, Chinleyu are the bigs, with Jaki and Wells at the wing. Mullins is probably a designated zone buster.

Both Rice and Yesufu looked to be a bit worn out today. They played 35 and 36 minutes yesterday so Smith went to some 2-3 zone which I don't care for but which certainly worked in this game.

Bigs are getting it done. Low TO, good assists, good steals, horrible FT shooting. This is not the year of the 3 ball.

 

[wsudefense]

 

[wsudefense]

Good awesome highlights

 

[mikalalas]

Quad 1 win.

Only concerned about 5-0 Portland St, and 4-0 Santa Clara.

If WSU beats them tho, WSU will probably be in a special season

 

[jourdand]

Sorry but not even remotely close to a quad 1 win. It’s real easy to look up. Rhode Island’s rpi is in the 250-255 range not quad 1
Quadrant one wins are those home games vs. teams RPI ranked 1-30, neutral games vs. 1-50, and away games vs. 1–75. For example, a home win against a top 30 team would qualify as a quadrant one victory.

 

[mikalalas]

Sorry but not even remotely close to a quad 1 win. It’s real easy to look up. Rhode Island’s rpi is in the 250-255 range not quad 1
Quadrant one wins are those home games vs. teams RPI ranked 1-30, neutral games vs. 1-50, and away games vs. 1–75. For example, a home win against a top 30 team would qualify as a quadrant one victory.

Rhode Island TECHNICALLY isn't Quad 1 NOW. BUT by the end of the season, they are, will be Quad 1.

Rhode Island was 2-0 vs a stronger schedule then WSU's, and other teams schedule.

Then they lost their FIRST game of season vs a semi good NORTHWESTERN team on a neutral court, in a tournament, and then lost to a likely good WSU team on a neutral court in a tournament.

If they hadn't played WSU, they probably would be 4-1, instead of 3-2.

Rhode Island will probably win 7, 8,9,10,11 non con games, and probably will go 10-10, 11-9, 12-8, 13-7 in conference, and have about 18 to 20 to 22 wins and either NIT or NCAA tournament, and their RPI will be either in or close to, about, around the Quad 1.

So yes WSU beat a semi likely Quad 1 team that will semi likely be Quad 1.

So because of that, yes a Quad 1 esque QUALITY win.

 

[7ICoug]

What a stretch.

 

[jourdand]

Rhode Island TECHNICALLY isn't Quad 1 NOW. BUT by the end of the season, they are, will be Quad 1.

Rhode Island was 2-0 vs a stronger schedule then WSU's, and other teams schedule.

Then they lost their FIRST game of season vs a semi good NORTHWESTERN team on a neutral court, in a tournament, and then lost to a likely good WSU team on a neutral court in a tournament.

If they hadn't played WSU, they probably would be 4-1, instead of 3-2.

Rhode Island will probably win 7, 8,9,10,11 non con games, and probably will go 10-10, 11-9, 12-8, 13-7 in conference, and have about 18 to 20 to 22 wins and either NIT or NCAA tournament, and their RPI will be either in or close to, about, around the Quad 1.

So yes WSU beat a semi likely Quad 1 team that will semi likely be Quad 1.

So because of that, yes a Quad 1 esque QUALITY win.

Absolutely non of that is true! Rhode Island is not even close to being a NCAA tournament team or an NIT team they were 9-22 last year and are predicted to come in at the bottom of their conference.

15. Rhode Island Rams​

2022-23 season record: 9-22 (5-13)

The Rams were nothing short of a disaster in Archie Miller’s first year back in Atlantic 10 Basketball. His roster building that featured a few former top-100 prospects didn’t work out, especially the partnership with Brayon Freeman. He, Ishmael Leggett, and many others are gone, creating a completely new roster again.


That’s 15 out of 15 in the Atlantic 10 conference Quad 4 win!

What is a quad 4 win?


Quad 4: “Home games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 161–363, Neutral games vs. opponents with NET ranking of 201–363, Away games vs.opponents with NET ranking of 241–363” [4]Mar

 

[7ICoug]

We also are predicted to come in at the bottom of the current league. But on a higher note KenPom has us now at 70. And on another note at least we didn't play Eastern Oregon. Sheesh.

 

[mikalalas]

We also are predicted to come in at the bottom of the current league. But on a higher note KenPom has us now at 70. And on another note at least we didn't play Eastern Oregon. Sheesh.

Ken Pom and others like Phil Steele, ATHLON, LINDY, ESPN, SI, etc, typically, are usually better then the tradition PAC 12, West Coast media, that usually Semi UNDERRANKS WSU semi inaccurately.

The traditional PAC, West Coast media have WSU at #10 in PAC 12. 6,7,8,9, a more accurate preseason ranking, and Ken Pom, Phil Steele, etc, probably had WSU about 6,7, 8 in the preseason.

Now after WSU's at least semi good 3-1 start, Ken Pom, etc, would probably put WSU about 5,6,7 in PAC.

A 70 is about a 6,7th in PAC.

Altho there is 9 NEW pieces at WSU, they are PRETTY DAMN GOOD replacement pieces, to go along with the PRETTY DAMN GOOD RETURNING pieces.

I expected a 2-2 start, and instead WSU is 3-1, with a lot of easy games until Portland St(5-0, Quad 1), after Portland St, before Santa Clara and after Santa Clara

WSU could easily be about 5-1,6-1,7-1,8-1 by the time the play Portland St(5-0)

And by the time the play Santa Clara(4-0, Quad 1, NIT, NCAA), WSU could easily be 7-2, 8-2, and by the end of noncon can easily be 10-2, 9-3

WSU will probably win at least 17 games at extreme minimum by end of season. (Win range 17,18,19,20,21,22,23. 1 PAC tourny win, 1 Post Season tourny win(NIT, NCAA bubble), 22,23 total wins after end of postseason tournaments. 4,5,6 in conference, 9-11, 10-10, 11-9, 12-8, 13-7 range in conference

That's pretty at least semi good at least, especially considering that 9 NEW PIECES.

WSU is poised to probably start climbing from 70 in Ken Pom's rankings.

WSU will probably be about 56 in Ken Pom Rankings by conference play.

And will probably be #39 to #43 in Ken Pom rankings by NIT, NCAA tournament time.

 

[jourdand]

Ken Pom and others like Phil Steele, ATHLON, LINDY, ESPN, SI, etc, typically, are usually better then the tradition PAC 12, West Coast media, that usually Semi UNDERRANKS WSU semi inaccurately.

The traditional PAC, West Coast media have WSU at #10 in PAC 12. 6,7,8,9, a more accurate preseason ranking, and Ken Pom, Phil Steele, etc, probably had WSU about 6,7, 8 in the preseason.

Now after WSU's at least semi good 3-1 start, Ken Pom, etc, would probably put WSU about 5,6,7 in PAC.

A 70 is about a 6,7th in PAC.

Altho there is 9 NEW pieces at WSU, they are PRETTY DAMN GOOD replacement pieces, to go along with the PRETTY DAMN GOOD RETURNING pieces.

I expected a 2-2 start, and instead WSU is 3-1, with a lot of easy games until Portland St(5-0, Quad 1), after Portland St, before Santa Clara and after Santa Clara

WSU could easily be about 5-1,6-1,7-1,8-1 by the time the play Portland St(5-0)

And by the time the play Santa Clara(4-0, Quad 1, NIT, NCAA), WSU could easily be 7-2, 8-2, and by the end of noncon can easily be 10-2, 9-3

WSU will probably win at least 17 games at extreme minimum by end of season. (Win range 17,18,19,20,21,22,23. 1 PAC tourny win, 1 Post Season tourny win(NIT, NCAA bubble), 22,23 total wins after end of postseason tournaments. 4,5,6 in conference, 9-11, 10-10, 11-9, 12-8, 13-7 range in conference

That's pretty at least semi good at least, especially considering that 9 NEW PIECES.

WSU is poised to probably start climbing from 70 in Ken Pom's rankings.

WSU will probably be about 56 in Ken Pom Rankings by conference play.

And will probably be #39 to #43 in Ken Pom rankings by NIT, NCAA tournament time.

I agree WSU tends to get underrated by the press. Hopefully that holds true for this year also because every magazine has us 10th or 11th.
Oh and Santa Clara has an RPI right now of 71 so a neutral site win would make it right in the middle of quad 2 as far as wins go.

Quad 2 wins can be any of the following: a home win against teams ranked from 31st to 75th, neutral wins against the bottom half of the Top 100 and an away win against teams outside of the Top 75 until the 135th ranked team.

 

[mikalalas]

I agree WSU tends to get underrated by the press. Hopefully that holds true for this year also because every magazine has us 10th or 11th.
Oh and Santa Clara has an RPI right now of 71 so a neutral site win would make it right in the middle of quad 2 as far as wins go.

Quad 2 wins can be any of the following: a home win against teams ranked from 31st to 75th, neutral wins against the bottom half of the Top 100 and an away win against teams outside of the Top 75 until the 135th ranked team.

Santa Clara will probably be a NIT, NCAA team, and will probably be Quad 1 by end of season.

They are supposed to be pretty good.

If Duke were to go 3-3 to start and be 1 spot outside being Quad 1, and then if WSU were to then beat Duke while Duke 1 spot outside Quad 1, you shouldn't say "Duke isn't a Quad 1 win, because they are currently 1 spot shy of Quad 1", etc.

Duke in that scenario would be a Quad 1 win, because they are DUKE, and should be and probably would be Quad 1, by end of season, despite not being CURRENTLY Quad 1

Quad 1 teams, sometimes lose games they shouldn't and sometimes end up temporarily outside Quad 1 temporarily.

If WSU beats such a team, then you shouldn't say that it isn't a Quad 1, just because they are temporarily outside Quad 1, early in the season.

Yes there is a SMALL chance that they won't finish Quad 1, but the likelihoods, probabilities are that Rhode Island, Portland St, Santa Clara, WILL PROBABLY FINISH Quad 1, and are projected, supposed to finish Quad 1.

Until, if, unless the pretty good quality teams like Rhode Island, Portland St, Santa Clara, etc, that are supposed to be good, PROVE that they are not, or probably won't be Quad 1, then until, if then, they are Quad 1 QUALITY TEAM, and if best them, then still a Quad 1 QUALITY win.

They are likely probable Quad 1 teams, until, if proven otherwise over a larger sample size.

Your the type, that if Duke was 1 spot outside Quad 1, and then if WSU beat them, and then if I say that's a Quad 1 win, you would say that Duke is not Quad 1, because 1 spot outside Quad 1

 

[mikalalas]

Santa Clara will probably be a NIT, NCAA team, and will probably be Quad 1 by end of season.

They are supposed to be pretty good.

If Duke were to go 3-3 to start and be 1 spot outside being Quad 1, and then if WSU were to then beat Duke while Duke 1 spot outside Quad 1, you shouldn't say "Duke isn't a Quad 1 win, because they are currently 1 spot shy of Quad 1", etc.

Duke in that scenario would be a Quad 1 win, because they are DUKE, and should be and probably would be Quad 1, by end of season, despite not being CURRENTLY Quad 1

Quad 1 teams, sometimes lose games they shouldn't and sometimes end up temporarily outside Quad 1 temporarily.

If WSU beats such a team, then you shouldn't say that it isn't a Quad 1, just because they are temporarily outside Quad 1, early in the season.

Yes there is a SMALL chance that they won't finish Quad 1, but the likelihoods, probabilities are that Rhode Island, Portland St, Santa Clara, WILL PROBABLY FINISH Quad 1, and are projected, supposed to finish Quad 1.

Until, if, unless the pretty good quality teams like Rhode Island, Portland St, Santa Clara, etc, that are supposed to be good, PROVE that they are not, or probably won't be Quad 1, then until, if then, they are Quad 1 QUALITY TEAM, and if best them, then still a Quad 1 QUALITY win.

They are likely probable Quad 1 teams, until, if proven otherwise over a larger sample size.

Your the type, that if Duke was 1 spot outside Quad 1, and then if WSU beat them, and then if I say that's a Quad 1 win, you would say that Duke is not Quad 1, because 1 spot outside Quad 1

Guarantee the NCAA selection committee is s projecting Rhode Island, Portland St, Santa Clara to be Quad 1 by the end of the season.

 

[jourdand]

It’s not determined by projections or perceptions. Probably half the NCAA tournament teams would not qualify as quad 1 if played on a neutral court and almost none of the NIT field would qualify as quad 1 on a neutral court. Below are the set parameters.

The quadrants are defined as follows:

• Quadrant 1: Home games vs. RPI teams ranked in the top 30; neutral games vs. 1-50; away games vs. 1-75.
• Quadrant 2: Home vs. 31-75 teams; neutral vs. 51-100; away vs. 76-135.
• Quadrant 3: Home vs. 76-160 teams; neutral vs. 101-200; away vs. 136-240.
• Quadrant 4: Home vs. 161-plus teams; neutral vs. 201-plus; away vs. 241-plus.[8]

 

[mikalalas]

It’s not determined by projections or perceptions. Probably half the NCAA tournament teams would not qualify as quad 1 if played on a neutral court and almost none of the NIT field would qualify as quad 1 on a neutral court. Below are the set parameters.

The quadrants are defined as follows:

• Quadrant 1: Home games vs. RPI teams ranked in the top 30; neutral games vs. 1-50; away games vs. 1-75.
• Quadrant 2: Home vs. 31-75 teams; neutral vs. 51-100; away vs. 76-135.
• Quadrant 3: Home vs. 76-160 teams; neutral vs. 101-200; away vs. 136-240.
• Quadrant 4: Home vs. 161-plus teams; neutral vs. 201-plus; away vs. 241-plus.[8]

Your not getting the point. DOES NOT matter what the requirements to be Quad 1, etc, in a way NOW.

BECAUSE

PORTLAND ST AND SANTA CLARA ARE BLOODY DAMN LIKELY TO BE QUAD 1 BY END OF REGULAR SEASON, EVEN THO OR IF THEY DONT MEET QUAD 1 REQUIREMENTS NOW.

IF BEAT THEM, THEY ARE BLOODY DAMN FCKIN GOOD, GREAT QUAD 1 LEVEL QUALITY WINS, OR WOULD BE BY END OF SEASON.

 

[jourdand]

To help put this in perspective consider that last years team was 17-17 and 11-9 in conference, the only one of those wins that was aQuad 1 win was our victory over Arizona

 

[CougPatrol]

Our non conference schedule is very soft. Maybe the worst in the conference. Utah Tech, Eastern WA, Portland State, Riverside, and Grambling are not good at all. Boise St is down this year. Santa Clara is the only solid team we’ll play before league play starts, and the P12 looks strong again.

 

[mikalalas]

Our non conference schedule is very soft. Maybe the worst in the conference. Utah Tech, Eastern WA, Portland State, Riverside, and Grambling are not good at all. Boise St is down this year. Santa Clara is the only solid team we’ll play before league play starts, and the P12 looks strong again.

Portland St is supposed to be good this year and they are showing it at 5-0. They have also gone to a number of NCAA tournaments since Bone got them to NCAA tournament.

Santa Clara is also supposed to be good and showing it at 4-0, and along with Gonzaga, St Mary's, they are one of the top 3.5 teams in the WCC year in year out the last 4 to 6 to 8 years.

Northwestern is average.

Mississippi St is supposed to be very good this year. Tough D, average offense. They made the NIT, NCAA last year, finished about 6th, 7th in SEC, are supposed to make NIT, NCAA bubble this year. Are 3-1

Rhode Island has been about a Semi Perennial NIT, NCAA bubble team the last about 15 years. Are supposed to be good again this year. Is 3-1.

Yes the rest of the schedule is quite WEAK, PATHETIC, with even past semi strong semi tournament bubble team EWU being about 1-4.

BUT Santa Clara, Portland St, Northwestern, MSU, Rhode Island are, is nothing to SNIDE at.

 

[jourdand]

Portland State lost to ST Thomas the other night, they haven’t played in the NCAA tournament since 2009. That’s 14 years. They are predicted to finish 5 in the Big Sky.

2023-24 Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches' Poll

1 – Weber State (9) – 81

2 – Montana (1) – 70

3 – Eastern Washington – 68

4 – Sacramento State – 50

5 – Portland State – 48

6 – Idaho State – 39

7 – Montana State – 35

T8 – Northern Arizona – 22

T8 – Northern Colorado – 22

10 – Idaho – 15

Rhode Island hasn’t had a winning season in 3 years.

 

[mikalalas]

Portland State lost to ST Thomas the other night, they haven’t played in the NCAA tournament since 2009. That’s 14 years. They are predicted to finish 5 in the Big Sky.

2023-24 Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches' Poll

1 – Weber State (9) – 81

2 – Montana (1) – 70

3 – Eastern Washington – 68

4 – Sacramento State – 50

5 – Portland State – 48

6 – Idaho State – 39

7 – Montana State – 35

T8 – Northern Arizona – 22

T8 – Northern Colorado – 22

10 – Idaho – 15

Rhode Island hasn’t had a winning season in 3 years.

So Portland St got UPSET.

5-1 is still a good start.

And maybe this is St Thomas's MIRACLE year(Don't know)

When I said that Rhode Island has been semi perennially good the last about 15 years, that's OVERALL. Even Duke under coach K had back to back 13 win seasons once. So Rhode Island has had a couple, few bad seasons, OVERALL they are USUALLY pretty good. Also those couple, few bad seasons, were BACK THEN. RIGHT NOW THEY ARE HAVING AT LEAST SEMI GOOD SEASON, ARE, IS 3-2 to start, and until WSU beat them, were 3-1 to start.

I'm NOT saying that Portland St, Rhode Island, Santa Clara, Northwestern, Mississippi St, Boise St are ABSOLUTE WORLD BEATERS. but those 5,6 teams are at least semi good, semi decent, semi ok, nothing to SNIDE at, etc, at least this season, AT WORST at the least.

And at the least, at least Santa Clara out of the 5,6 will be Quad 1. And at best, Portland St, Mississippi State, Rhode Island have a semi ok, semi good chance to be Quad 1 by end of Season.

Also just because a team is Quad 1, that does NOT mean that team is a WORLD BEATER

The rest of the schedule is EASILY the most worst, weakest, pathetic schedule in the nation

 

[mikalalas]

Portland State lost to ST Thomas the other night, they haven’t played in the NCAA tournament since 2009. That’s 14 years. They are predicted to finish 5 in the Big Sky.

2023-24 Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches' Poll

1 – Weber State (9) – 81

2 – Montana (1) – 70

3 – Eastern Washington – 68

4 – Sacramento State – 50

5 – Portland State – 48

6 – Idaho State – 39

7 – Montana State – 35

T8 – Northern Arizona – 22

T8 – Northern Colorado – 22

10 – Idaho – 15

Rhode Island hasn’t had a winning season in 3 years.

Also their poll is obviously wrong, off, as EWU is 1-4, 0-4, and are not going to finish anywhere even remotely close to 3rd in Big Sky, and Portland St will probably finish tied for 2nd, alone in 3rd in Big Sky.

 

[jourdand]

Look who EWU has played.

Quad 1

Record: 0-1

L

73-85

Away

(63)

Cincinnati

Quad 3

Record: 0-0
Quad 2

Record: 0-3

L	66-101	Away	(80)		Utah
L	64-75	Away	(129)		Ole Miss
L	70-95	Away	(96)		Stanford

Imo one of the most intriguing aspects about the Santa Clara game is their size they start two guys pushing 7 foot and have size off the bench as well.

 

[mikalalas]

Look who EWU has played.

Quad 1

Record: 0-1

L

73-85

Away

(63)

Cincinnati

Quad 3

Record: 0-0
Quad 2

Record: 0-3

L	66-101	Away	(80)		Utah
L	64-75	Away	(129)		Ole Miss
L	70-95	Away	(96)		Stanford

Imo one of the most intriguing aspects about the Santa Clara game is their size they start two guys pushing 7 foot and have size off the bench as well.

I'll put WSU's 6-10.5 255 Cluff, and 6-11.5 243 , 7-8 WINGSPAN Chinyelu, and 6-9.5 about 234 ish, Jones, against Santa Clara's probably slightly under weighted 6-11.5 semi twin semi towers.

Cluff will BANG them with his 256 pounds, and LOW POST MOVES.

Chinyelu will beat them with superior weight, frame, athleticism, 7-8 WINGSPAN.

Jones might be more challenged by them, but at least has his EXPLOSIVELY FAST, SPEEDY, QUICK, PROBABLY SUPERIOR ATHLETICISM, and EXPERIENCED SENIOR VETERAN CRAFTYNESS.

ALL 3 WSU Bigs will probably combine to beat, wear down, etc, Santa Clara's Bigs.

This is probably the Best, one of the best, biggest, etc, Frontcourts, bigs that WSU has ever had.

The only way Santa Clara beats WSU's Bigs, is if:

1. Foul Trouble.

2. Injuries.

3. If WSU's Bigs either don't show up or take Santa Clara's Bigs for granted, etc.(which don't think will happen).

4. If they have a down day, upset, bad game.

That said Santa Clara's Bigs, frontcourt, will be the best WSU will play before conference play starts

 

[CougPatrol]

Strength of schedule is a real-time metric. It doesn't matter what the programs reputation is. At the end of the season, their "KenPom" ranking will determine if we can parlay the win into a resume builder.

My point is that our non-conference is arguably the worst in the conference THIS YEAR. Is that bad? Not necessarily. The P12 is a strong basketball conference, so our finish in league play carries more weight than anything else. It would help if we don't have any stumbles in our nonleague games. The Mississippi State game won't hurt us, as they're a good team. Losing to Portland State, Grambling, Riverside, Boise State, etc. would be considered bad losses.

 

[mikalalas]

Strength of schedule is a real-time metric. It doesn't matter what the programs reputation is. At the end of the season, their "KenPom" ranking will determine if we can parlay the win into a resume builder.

My point is that our non-conference is arguably the worst in the conference THIS YEAR. Is that bad? Not necessarily. The P12 is a strong basketball conference, so our finish in league play carries more weight than anything else. It would help if we don't have any stumbles in our nonleague games. The Mississippi State game won't hurt us, as they're a good team. Losing to Portland State, Grambling, Riverside, Boise State, etc. would be considered bad losses.

I don't think a Portland St loss hurts more other than a wasted opportunity for a win.

Portland St will probably finish 2,3,4 in Big Sky and goto either NIT, NCAA, CBI, and is 5-1 to start and will probably be Quad 1 by end of season, and Quad 2 at worst.

Boise St isn't a bad loss either. They will be Quad 2, CBI, NIT bubble at best, Quad 3 at worst.

And Santa Clara is not a bad loss.

That's not to say I expect losses to those teams. I think WSU has a semi good chance to semi probably wins beat those teams.

But a loss or 2 to 0-4 EWU, Grambling, Riverside, etc, would be very bad for WSU.

I think WSU will lose a game or 2 to either Portland St, Santa Clara, Boise St, due to the 9 NEW pieces not jelling in time and losing a game they shouldn't lose.

But I don't think WSU will lose to 0-4 EWU, and or Grambling or Riverside, etc.

I think WSU goes either 10-2, 9-3 in noncon, and 9-11, 10-10, 11-9, 12-8 in conference, tied for 4th at best, 5th, 6th, 7th at very worst. 1 PAC tourny win, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 wins at end of regular season. 21, 22, 23 total wins after end of post season play, NIT/NCAA bubble, if NIT, NIT elite eight, if NCAA(13 to 27%), then NCAA first round elimination(80%), 2nd round(20%)

I think that's a realistic projection.

But your right that if WSU loses to EWU, Grambling, Riverside, etc, it will be a struggle an or might not achieve that realistic projection.

 

[COUGinNCW]

Boise State on a neutral court won’t be a “bad” loss and a win would be good for the resume.

Net rankings aren’t out yet for 23-24 but the all too early KenPom has BSU 72 and WSU 73. Miss St is 17th.

2022 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings

 

[jourdand]

EWU has played a very tough early season schedule and as such the wins aren’t there but they are a way superior team to Portland State who has played a cake walk schedule.