NIT changes

[Glad Cougar]

I feel kind of funny writing about the NIT when it would require a great conference tournament run for the Cougars to be considered. However, this year's NIT will be 16 teams (down from the usual 32) but will not require that conference champs who don't win their tournaments be seeded....meaning all NIT participants will be at-large. I'm guessing WSU needs to win at least 2 Pac-12 tournament games to be in the running.

Glad Cougar

 

[mikalalas]

I feel kind of funny writing about the NIT when it would require a great conference tournament run for the Cougars to be considered. However, this year's NIT will be 16 teams (down from the usual 32) but will not require that conference champs who don't win their tournaments be seeded....meaning all NIT participants will be at-large. I'm guessing WSU needs to win at least 2 Pac-12 tournament games to be in the running.

Glad Cougar

Yeah, WSU having the last ASU game canceled, hurt WSU's NIT chances.

If that game wasnt canceled, then WSU could have won that game, then 1 Pac 12 tourny win, for a NIT birth with 17 wins.

Now WSU has to win 2 Pac 12 tourny games, instead of 1, to get to the 17 wins needed to make NIT.

And thats just to make the NIT bubble.

To be practically guaranteed a NIT spot WSU has to win 3, instead of 2, because the last game was canceled.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Hey, if they win 3 Pac-12 tournament games, why not just make it 4 and grab a berth in the Big Dance? Wouldn't that be something!

Glad Cougar

 

[cougcowboy]

I feel kind of funny writing about the NIT when it would require a great conference tournament run for the Cougars to be considered. However, this year's NIT will be 16 teams (down from the usual 32) but will not require that conference champs who don't win their tournaments be seeded....meaning all NIT participants will be at-large. I'm guessing WSU needs to win at least 2 Pac-12 tournament games to be in the running.

Glad Cougar

Is playing in the NIT a money maker? or would it be a money loser? I'm thinking TV revenue would make it a benificial; but I don't know for sure

 

[jourdand]

Not sure 17 wins would
Be enough especially since there will be several teams finish in front of us In conference that will not make the big dance. Plus the field is cut in half this year.

 

[mikalalas]

Hey, if they win 3 Pac-12 tournament games, why not just make it 4 and grab a berth in the Big Dance? Wouldn't that be something!

Glad Cougar

Hey WSU won 4 Pac 12 tourny games last year, if I remember right, so why not again this year?

 

[mikalalas]

Not sure 17 wins would
Be enough especially since there will be several teams finish in front of us In conference that will not make the big dance. Plus the field is cut in half this year.

17 wins in a Covid Shortened Season is the NIT bubble point.

Some with 17 wins will get in, some wont.

18 wins pops you thru bubble into NIT

 

[FnuLnu]

Hey WSU won 4 Pac 12 tourny games last year, if I remember right, so why not again this year?

They won just one Pac12 tourney game in 2020.
First win ever in Pac12 tourney.
Last conference tourney victories were when Bennetts were in Pac 10.

 

[jourdand]

How do you figure WSU won four PAC 12 tourney games last year? They won one game and that was the very first PAC 12 tourney game they had ever won. Also WSU is going to finish 10th in the PAC 12 standings, PAC could possibly end up with only 2 dancing teams. Arizona can’t go but that still wound leave 5 or 6 teams who finished in front of WSU in PAC 12. An argument can certainly be made to jump a few of those teams but enough to make it? I personally think 3 mins is needed to have much chance at the NIT and a fourth and it would not matter. 16 teams in a shortened field I doubt they take more than one team per league and a max of 2. Imo

 

[mikalalas]

Arizona, UCLA, USC, Colorado, Stanford are in NCAA

At least thats what either ESPN, Sports Media, the LAST FOUR IN thing said on TV, when I saw it on DIRECT TV.

Stanford, they said was a NCAA bubble team.

Oregon is a NCAA bubble team.

Arizona, they said was in NCAA, so why cant Arizona go?

But even without Arizona, and Stanford, Oregon, there is still USC, UCLA, Colorado, and 1 of either Stanford or Oregon, as 3,4 NCAA bids at extreme minimum, and 5,6 NCAA bids at extreme max, who make it in the NCAA, so not sure where, how the Pac 12 only getting 2 NCAA bids comes in.

Pac 12 is very good, deep this year.

The Pac 12 colleges have extremely good winning records.

According to what you said, even WSU as the about 10th place team, is RIGHT NOW 15 WINS AND 11 LOSSES.

How many P5 conferences have their 10th place or worse team with 15+ wins, etc.

Also the NIT, doesnt necessarily go by conference finish. They also go by TOTAL WINS, whether conference or non conference.

The NCAA tourny follows Pac 12 finish more then NIT does, but even the NCAA tourny would take the 4th, 5th place team in the Pac 12, over the 3rd place team in Pac 12, if the 5th place Pac 12 team had say 21 wins TOTAL wins, and the 3rd place team only had 17 wins, but had a better Pac 12 conference record.

The only way the Pac 12 could only have 2,3 bids, is if a 7,8,9 place, etc, pac 12 team won the Pac 12 tourny.

And thats not likely to happen.

Arizona, USC, UCLA, Colorado go to the NCAA Tourny for sure

None or 1 or 2 or both of Stanford, Oregon either get in NCAA, or dont.

NIT gets Stanford, Oregon, if they dont goto NCAA,

NIT gets Utah

ASU is on NIT bubble

WSU is either on NIT Bubble or gets in or doesnt depending on whether WSU wins either 0, 1,2,3 wins in Pac 12 tourny.

If WSU wins 3 in Pac 12 tourny, and have 18 wins, then WSU would likely get in NIT, unless something like the 11th place Pac 12 team wins the Pac 12 tourny.

If that happened, WSU would be out of NIT, even with 18 wins in a Covid Shortened Season.

So 4,5,6 NCAA bids for Pac 12.

And 3,4,5 NIT bids for Pac 12.

And 1,2,3 CBI bids for Pac 12.

UW is the only team in Pac 12 that no get NCAA, NIT, CBI.

Thats how good the Pac 12 has been, especially in NON CONFERENCE.

The NCAA, NIT, CBI selection committee's know that the Pac 12 has a LOT of PARITY within the Pac 12 conference record itself, beating up on each other, while beating non conference opponents, and that despite that, that almost all pac 12 teams have winning records.

Thats what a stronger Bball conference looks like.

Pac 12 is NOT weak in BBALL THIS YEAR.

AT LEAST THATS WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN SO FAR THIS YEAR.

SO NO THE PAC 12 IS GOING TO GET MORE THEN 2 NCAA BIDS.

If you think Pac 12 only gets 2 NCAA bids, then your full of it, illogical, etc.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Couple of clarifications, Mik. WSU has 14 wins right now, not 15. So that means Cougars need to win the Pac-12 tournament to get to 18 wins. Of course, if they do that, they'll be an automatic qualifier for the NCAA tournament.

Arizona isn't going anywhere. They disqualified themselves from post season play (including the Pac-12 tournament) because of recruiting violations. In my opinion, Oregon is a lock for the NCAA....along with USC, UCLA, and Colorado. Stanford was on the bubble prior to losing its last 3 games. They look like an NIT team to me. You are forgetting Oregon State, which has a better record at this point than we do. Also, UW won't be the only one completely out of the picture for post season play.....Cal is in last place and has an overall record of 8-19 this year.

With only 16 NIT teams selected this year, there is no way the Pac-12 is going to get 3, 4, 5 bids....nor should it. I don't think it's been a very strong conference at all this year. 5 of 12 teams have losing records, There is only ONE team in the top 25 (Colorado at #24) and Pac-12 teams didn't fare all that well in non-conference games against other P-5 conferences (Stanford beating Alabama being one of the few exceptions.)

Overall, the Pac-12 hasn't distinguished itself as a conference worthy of national attention, IMO. But it has been a very balanced conference in that most nights, any team has been able to beat any other team. Even UW was able to beat Colorado, the top ranked team in the conference.

There's a slim chance WSU gets considered by the NIT, but the Cougars will have to win 2-3 games in the Pac-12 tournament.

Glad Cougar

 

[jourdand]

CBS bracketology has PAC 12 with four in UCLA, USC, Oregon and Colorado. Something to consider is that other than maybe Colorado ranked 24th in the nation all the PAC 12 teams have work to do if they want to dance. That work will have to be done against other PAC 12 teams what helps one team will obviously hurt the other. USC has 19 wins but has lost 2 in a row and finishes with UCLA and Stanford. USC could very easily enter PAC tourney on a four game skid. UCLA I think is probably in but they only have 17 wins, same with Oregon. All the PAC 12 teams have reason to be nervous and better play like it or they will find themselves left out and again they have to beat up on each other so who knows

 

[jourdand]

At this point I see 3 dancing teams from the PAC Colorado, Oregon and USC with the possible 4th being UCLA. I think if UCLA can get 2 more wins they are in, one more and they are on the bubble, 2 losses and they are NIT bound imo