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Truer words have never been spoken. Imagine, if you would, a workplace completely immersed in DEI and all the acceptable social norms they foster within this ideology. Then imagine they announce to the entire workforce of said company that they want to offer a space where EVERYONE can share their ideas and thoughts without interruption, judgement or repercussions. Now think about someone who doesn't believe DEI should be part of the workplace environment speaking out against it within that forum. The ideological leftist cult would have that person's azzz fired immediately just for taking part in their little "inclusion" game. Liberals are, by far, the most hateful racist bigoted hypocritical azz hats this country has to offer.

Not the KKK?
 
If you want a conviction based on the injuries he discussed in the video, you go with assault 4. If you try for 3, they’re going to walk, because you’re not going to get 12 people to agree that those injuries caused “substantial pain” or “considerable suffering.” And that’s if the prosecutor would even charge 3, when it’s historically only been for attacks on public officers.

People see this as particularly significant because of the political angle. Reality is that Motivation is irrelevant to the charge. Remove that, and nobody even knows this happened. The TA gets fired, student gets sanctioned, and everyone moves on.

EDIT: There’s another factor here. The coverage and the rising indignation is based on the victim’s story and on about 15 total seconds of video. What if the 5 minutes of video before this show that red hat was taunting and/or shoving the 2 assailants? What if it shows that this wasn’t a random “they jumped me out of nowhere” but that he and some friends were provoking this? People tend to jump quickly to the conclusion that’s being provided to them, and fringe media (on both sides) is particularly willing to tell you what you think.
Your logic is truly dizzying.

First off, motivation is 100% relevant to the charge especially if its against a protected group. Its doesn't happen to be so in this case.

Second, by your reasoning you contend that the GA still has a job because of the optics? Otherwise he'd be fired?

Last, Mahoney basically admitted he beat the guy up and started it by taking and throwing the hat, but like you is victim blaming because the guy has the audacity to exercise the same rights Mahoney has been by being an activist for his belief. There may be more to the story and it could have been edited out, but Mahoney's demeanor seemed to indicate he felt justified because the guy was MAGA and for no other reason. We'll see when the case is tried what he has to say for himself.
 
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Remember when Robert Barber broke some dude's jaw and he was found not guilty? Maybe they don't want to waste taxpayer money today based on the lessons learned back then?
Certainly you do and bring it up every chance you get.

Make sure you shit on Luani as well on your way though.

I'm sensing a trend here...
 
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Truer words have never been spoken. Imagine, if you would, a workplace completely immersed in DEI and all the acceptable social norms they foster within this ideology. Then imagine they announce to the entire workforce of said company that they want to offer a space where EVERYONE can share their ideas and thoughts without interruption, judgement or repercussions. Now think about someone who doesn't believe DEI should be part of the workplace environment speaking out against it within that forum. The ideological leftist cult would have that person's azzz fired immediately just for taking part in their little "inclusion" game. Liberals are, by far, the most hateful racist bigoted hypocritical azz hats this country has to offer.
You don't have to imagine, it happened at Western and Google.

The people at Western weren't even conservative, they just didn't join the wacked hive-mind.
 
Remember when Robert Barber broke some dude's jaw and he was found not guilty? Maybe they don't want to waste taxpayer money today based on the lessons learned back then?
Let’s not forget that was not Barber’s first despicable incident. Dude was a terrible person but since he played football he got a free pass by the fan boys. Disgusting to read the comments on these and other boards in support of him.
 
No, I wouldn't think "what an asshole."

Same as I don't give much thought or energy to anything anyone says or does unless it somehow directly affect the safety of me, my family, or my country.

Outside of Huskies or Ducks, idgaf what you have on your shirt or hat or what your beliefs are.

What I do think is that you're projecting, because if someone walked up to you and said "hi I voted for Trump" you'd think they were an asshole, both for innocuously sharing and for having voted for Trump.
1. Correct. 2. Although several of my closest friends are Trump supporters so that doesn’t really track. Also they don’t ever wear maga stuff around (as I’ve never worn Biden or Harris stuff). E do poke each other politically but it’s in a fun friendly way.
You’re free to your opinion - Ive been consistent. I’ve also regularly opined that Biden wasn’t great either and that I disagree with far left ideology as much as far right.

I think you disagree with my logic because maga hats are by far more prevalent than Biden or Harris shirts.
 
Let’s not forget that was not Barber’s first despicable incident. Dude was a terrible person but since he played football he got a free pass by the fan boys. Disgusting to read the comments on these and other boards in support of him.
That's not what happened and you and Flat both know it.

But just for argument sake, here's a refresher: he was denied due process according to WSU's own bylaws and instead tried in front of a kangaroo court, and when that due process was properly applied his peers and faculty came to the decision they did. THEN a jury of 12 not only acquited him of felony assault but assault 4 as well. Not sure I agree with the latter, but it is what it is at this point.
 
1. Correct. 2. Although several of my closest friends are Trump supporters so that doesn’t really track. Also they don’t ever wear maga stuff around (as I’ve never worn Biden or Harris stuff). E do poke each other politically but it’s in a fun friendly way.
You’re free to your opinion - Ive been consistent. I’ve also regularly opined that Biden wasn’t great either and that I disagree with far left ideology as much as far right.

I think you disagree with my logic because maga hats are by far more prevalent than Biden or Harris shirts.
Suppose it depends on where you live. I don't see a lot of clothing, but blue bumper stickers, yard signs and posters in windows are prevalent where I am. And outside of the Prius (its always a Prius) with the sticker that's driving like an asshole, I've never thought "dudes an asshole."
 
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Washington State Univerity Employee with Power over student, attacks student with a co-conspirator.

WSU needs to make a public statement they don’t endorse their instructors beating their students.
I think a more important statement would be that everyone gets due process.

The instructor was suspended while the investigation continues.

Bryan Kohberger has not been expelled, so kicking anyone out over this simple assault would be ridiculous.
 
OMG! A fight outside Valhalla! Over something stupid!

That’s never happened before! I am shocked!

And disappointed to see you linking that genuine piece of dog excrement Andy Ngo. That’s a very Uberesque move.
What is your beef with Andy Ngo? Are you mad because he has exposed the actions of the Antifa mafia?
 
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Your logic is truly dizzying.

First off, motivation is 100% relevant to the charge especially if its against a protected group. Its doesn't happen to be so in this case.

Second, by your reasoning you contend that the GA still has a job because of the optics? Otherwise he'd be fired?

Last, Mahoney basically admitted he beat the guy up and started it by taking and throwing the hat, but like you is victim blaming because the guy has the audacity to exercise the same rights Mahoney has been by being an activist for his belief. There may be more to the story and it could have been edited out, but Mahoney's demeanor seemed to indicate he felt justified because the guy was MAGA and for no other reason. We'll see when the case is tried what he has to say for himself.
It’s not a protected group, so motivation IS irrelevant to the charge. The RCW on assault hinges solely on injuries and the presence of a weapon. Hate crime motivations are an enhancement.

I have no idea how you get that I “contend that the GA still has a job because of the optics.” I didn’t even hint at that. He was suspended pending investigation, and he’ll (rightfully) lose his teaching assistantship. That should happen regardless of what else is shown on video. Self-defense would be the only saving argument, but I don’t see that happening here.

As for the rest…I’m just saying that we shouldn’t leap to a spoon-fed conclusion after seeing a few seconds of video from a biased source. I was too late though, I said it after you jumped.
 
That's not what happened and you and Flat both know it.

But just for argument sake, here's a refresher: he was denied due process according to WSU's own bylaws and instead tried in front of a kangaroo court, and when that due process was properly applied his peers and faculty came to the decision they did. THEN a jury of 12 not only acquited him of felony assault but assault 4 as well. Not sure I agree with the latter, but it is what it is at this point.
The Barber case was a good example of distracting people by putting the system on trial instead of the perpetrator.
 
So the guy that is filled with hate against all the Jan 6 protestors and wants then all in jail for life says it is perfectly fine when a left wing liberal loon attacks a conservative. So blatantly hypocritical of you.......

And totally expected.
Yes, because a fight between a couple guys in the street and a mob of hundreds storming a government building, breaching barricades, climbing walls, breaking and stealing items, and assaulting cops in order to interfere with government operations are exactly the same thing.
 
The Barber case was a good example of distracting people by putting the system on trial instead of the perpetrator.
Are you talking about the expulsion or his criminal case?

What about the criminal case was "putting the system on trial"?

What about Barber being allowed his due process according to WSU bylaws do you seem to disagree with?

"People", outside of those on the jury and the adjudication council (WSU), had no say in his outcomes, distracted or not.
 
Are you talking about the expulsion or his criminal case?

What about the criminal case was "putting the system on trial"?

What about Barber being allowed his due process according to WSU bylaws do you seem to disagree with?

"People", outside of those on the jury and the adjudication council (WSU), had no say in his outcomes, distracted or not.
He was never expelled, he was suspended. And after that, his supporters managed to get the entire student conduct process labeled as improper because it didn’t meet a legal evidentiary standard - which it was never supposed to.

It was revamped and replaced, and nobody has claimed bias since (at least not that’s been made public). But victims have left the university because the new process doesn’t go far enough or fast enough to make them feel supported.
 
You are correct, that is a dumb thing to say. Liberals (Democrats) WERE the KKK.
Half right. Southern democrats were the KKK. But they weren’t liberal then.

It’s actually really strange, the democrat and republican social platforms have almost completely flipped since about 1970.
 
Half right. Southern democrats were the KKK. But they weren’t liberal then.

It’s actually really strange, the democrat and republican social platforms have almost completely flipped since about 1970.

Sad how maga tries to pin the kkk on dems. They take off their white hoods are reveal brown shirts and put on red hats. The kkk is not voting blue.

Again, maga is the dumbest of Americans.
 
He was never expelled, he was suspended. And after that, his supporters managed to get the entire student conduct process labeled as improper because it didn’t meet a legal evidentiary standard - which it was never supposed to.

It was revamped and replaced, and nobody has claimed bias since (at least not that’s been made public). But victims have left the university because the new process doesn’t go far enough or fast enough to make them feel supported.
My recollection is WSU did not maintain the record properly for a review by the Superior Court.

He was initially expelled, then the expulsion was administratively appealed and reduced to a one year suspension (which effectively would have ended his career anyway).

Here we go:

 
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Half right. Southern democrats were the KKK. But they weren’t liberal then.

It’s actually really strange, the democrat and republican social platforms have almost completely flipped since about 1970.
FDR and the New Deal, Dixiecrats, LBJ and civil rights and on and on. Stretch slept through all of this in US history class.
 
Suppose it depends on where you live. I don't see a lot of clothing, but blue bumper stickers, yard signs and posters in windows are prevalent where I am. And outside of the Prius (its always a Prius) with the sticker that's driving like an asshole, I've never thought "dudes an asshole."
I also said stickers and flags are a little different. You’re not involved in personal connections (other than when the Prius driver is driving 55 in the fast lane) then yeah F him/her.
 
Half right. Southern democrats were the KKK. But they weren’t liberal then.

It’s actually really strange, the democrat and republican social platforms have almost completely flipped since about 1970.
You are right, pretty puzzling as to how and why that has come about.
 
FDR and the New Deal, Dixiecrats, LBJ and civil rights and on and on. Stretch slept through all of this in US history class.
Right. I needed to sleep through that class so I would be awake for the 3 study halls I needed to Ace.

BTW, which party supported the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts at a higher percentage?
 
So the guy that is filled with hate against all the Jan 6 protestors and wants then all in jail for life says it is perfectly fine when a left wing liberal loon attacks a conservative. So blatantly hypocritical of you.......

And totally expected.
Love of God: you are comparing this to violent insurrectionists trying to steal an election at the behest of a treasonous wannabe dictator.

You are completely divorced from reality.
 
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Truer words have never been spoken. Imagine, if you would, a workplace completely immersed in DEI and all the acceptable social norms they foster within this ideology. Then imagine they announce to the entire workforce of said company that they want to offer a space where EVERYONE can share their ideas and thoughts without interruption, judgement or repercussions. Now think about someone who doesn't believe DEI should be part of the workplace environment speaking out against it within that forum. The ideological leftist cult would have that person's azzz fired immediately just for taking part in their little "inclusion" game. Liberals are, by far, the most hateful racist bigoted hypocritical azz hats this country has to offer.

It's kind of funny to see this post. I live in a red state. I'm what you would call a RINO. Moderate right kind of person. I don't believe in people living off welfare for more than a few months, people should take responsibility for their own lives, immigration in our country should be limited to what we can legally handle, abortion should be regulated, the right to bear arms is important, our government should be fiscally responsible, yadda, yadda, yadda.

There is no doubt that liberals are guilty of tyranny of the unwashed in some of their actions. Some states, like Washington, go too far in letting progressives impose their views and insecurities on others.

That said, I live in a red state with a bit of a purple tinge to it. You get outside the major metro areas and Kansas is dark red. It is clearly shortsighted to believe that liberals are more hateful, racist, bigoted and hypocritical than conservatives. My brother-in-law is a 4th generation farmer who bitches relentlessly about lazy minorities begging for handouts. However, when the tariffs start to bite him in the ass and kill his profits, he'll be the first asshole out there with his hand out willing to accept government money. If anyone were to show up at his house wearing a Biden hat, you can bet that they would be told to remove the hat or leave. The notion that conservatives are better than liberals is laughable. Both ends of the ideological spectrum kind of suck.
 
I’ll do it. I condemn both. Just seems to happen way more frequently on one side.
how many times did it happen on Jan 6.... and btw they were pardoned saying it either didnt happen or it is ok.

But "we like his policies". Leaders lead and itbhas consequences good and bad .
 
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