Beleive Christofilis has to be considered one of the better shooters on the west coast. We offered but no idea how hard we went after him. Anyway, headed to Creighton.
O'Dea's John Christofilis commits to Creighton
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Surprising. But, Creighton has been a better basketball program than WSU and won the Big East regular season last year. Not sure how hard the team was recruiting him at this time. Hopefully, this wasn't surprising to the coaching staff and they are in on other players they really want.
I trust this staff. There are few spots left, I think they are going to be picky on who they recruit.
I trust this staff. There are few spots left, I think they are going to be picky on who they recruit.
In a way, I'm kind of glad that Creighton got him instead of WSU, if WSU offered him.
The reason for that, is the guys WSU got are way the heck better, and Better fit, etc, then that guy.
The kid would probably have lowered the recruiting class ranking.
If WSU had had one more spot, then the kid would have been a 9 to 17 minute per game STEVE KERR like Sharpshooter.
Just to refresh memories, Steve Kerr was a SLOW UNATHLETIC, SEMI SHORT, Guard, white guy.
This is not to be racist, taken the wrong way, as there are a couple few, some SHORT, guard, white guys that are very athletic, jump high, fast, speedy, play good defense, beat people off dribble, etc.
But white guys like John Stockton, that are guards, short, that fast, athletic, jump, drive, pass, shoot, etc, are extremely rare.
So I doubt the kid is more like Stockton, and not more like Steve Kerr.
The only reason why Steve Kerr got to the NBA, and got playing time once made it to the NBA, was he shot about 51% from 3 point range.
That was his job, to shoot, make 3 pointers. He was slower, he didnt jump high, he didnt drive, and didnt rebound well, didnt have good, fast Lateral defense, to not get beat off tbe dribble by the Iverson types.
He was a 3 point SPECIALIST.
The kid is probably like that. Like Kerr he is probably a 3 point shooting, making Specialist, that probably slow, unathletic, cant jump, cant rebound, cant play defense, cant, doesnt pass, cant drive, etc.
While that is fine, bread and butter for even a great Mid Major like Creighton, its not as good for WSU.
To compete in the Pac 12, WSU needs guards that are more like Hardaway, Iverson, can drive, pass, shoot, make shots, defend, rebound, get steals, take charges, not get beat off dribble to basket, not give up easy lay ups, etc.
Blake Pengelly types usually dont help WSU win.
And the kid is probably a Blake Pengelly type, that can shoot, make shots.
Now where a player like this kid, like Blake Pengelly, like Steve Kerr, etc, can, would help WSU, is being that 3 point specialist that gets 9 to 17 minutes per game off the bench in critical, crunch time situations, where need to design, have a 3 point shot taken, made, to spark the offense, momentum, help start a run, then get him off the court after that.
As such the kid would be quite a dagger to opponents.
But be that as it is that it would be nice for WSU to get such a player as this kid for that kind of roleplayer, situation, WSU can only afford to recruit such a kid, if WSU cant find, get better, and if WSU has room in their recruiting class.
WSU's Best recruiting class in WSU history left no room for a player like this kid.
Now in the future, WSU will need to get a kid like this, and will get a kid like this AFTER getting other, better kids, assuming there is room.
So in a way I am torn.
I would love for WSU to have a Steve Kerr like 3 point making specialist dagger.
But at the same time I would rather WSU get who they got over a 3 point making specialist dagger like this kid.
Now if this kid can drive, fast, athletic, can jump, defends, steals, passes, gets assist, rebounds, dribbles well, shoots, makes shots, etc, like a John Stockton, then I would prefer the kid.
But the kid is probably not like a Stockton.
The reason for that, is the guys WSU got are way the heck better, and Better fit, etc, then that guy.
The kid would probably have lowered the recruiting class ranking.
If WSU had had one more spot, then the kid would have been a 9 to 17 minute per game STEVE KERR like Sharpshooter.
Just to refresh memories, Steve Kerr was a SLOW UNATHLETIC, SEMI SHORT, Guard, white guy.
This is not to be racist, taken the wrong way, as there are a couple few, some SHORT, guard, white guys that are very athletic, jump high, fast, speedy, play good defense, beat people off dribble, etc.
But white guys like John Stockton, that are guards, short, that fast, athletic, jump, drive, pass, shoot, etc, are extremely rare.
So I doubt the kid is more like Stockton, and not more like Steve Kerr.
The only reason why Steve Kerr got to the NBA, and got playing time once made it to the NBA, was he shot about 51% from 3 point range.
That was his job, to shoot, make 3 pointers. He was slower, he didnt jump high, he didnt drive, and didnt rebound well, didnt have good, fast Lateral defense, to not get beat off tbe dribble by the Iverson types.
He was a 3 point SPECIALIST.
The kid is probably like that. Like Kerr he is probably a 3 point shooting, making Specialist, that probably slow, unathletic, cant jump, cant rebound, cant play defense, cant, doesnt pass, cant drive, etc.
While that is fine, bread and butter for even a great Mid Major like Creighton, its not as good for WSU.
To compete in the Pac 12, WSU needs guards that are more like Hardaway, Iverson, can drive, pass, shoot, make shots, defend, rebound, get steals, take charges, not get beat off dribble to basket, not give up easy lay ups, etc.
Blake Pengelly types usually dont help WSU win.
And the kid is probably a Blake Pengelly type, that can shoot, make shots.
Now where a player like this kid, like Blake Pengelly, like Steve Kerr, etc, can, would help WSU, is being that 3 point specialist that gets 9 to 17 minutes per game off the bench in critical, crunch time situations, where need to design, have a 3 point shot taken, made, to spark the offense, momentum, help start a run, then get him off the court after that.
As such the kid would be quite a dagger to opponents.
But be that as it is that it would be nice for WSU to get such a player as this kid for that kind of roleplayer, situation, WSU can only afford to recruit such a kid, if WSU cant find, get better, and if WSU has room in their recruiting class.
WSU's Best recruiting class in WSU history left no room for a player like this kid.
Now in the future, WSU will need to get a kid like this, and will get a kid like this AFTER getting other, better kids, assuming there is room.
So in a way I am torn.
I would love for WSU to have a Steve Kerr like 3 point making specialist dagger.
But at the same time I would rather WSU get who they got over a 3 point making specialist dagger like this kid.
Now if this kid can drive, fast, athletic, can jump, defends, steals, passes, gets assist, rebounds, dribbles well, shoots, makes shots, etc, like a John Stockton, then I would prefer the kid.
But the kid is probably not like a Stockton.
You have some broad generalities. First, Christofilis is 6'4", not short at all. He is going to play in the Big East, and for a team that was the best team in the conference last year. If he can compete there, then he can compete in the Pac 12. He also has a different skill set than John Stockton or Steve Kerr.
Speaking of Kerr, I was at WSU when Kerr played in the Pac 12. I watched him play. He was an outstanding player. He was a two time All Pac 10 point guard and an All American point guard when he played at Arizona. He lead Arizona to a final four. He was also good enough to play in the NBA for 15 years and win 5 Championships. He was a much better player than you think he was. You are thinking of him as a player toward the end of his career.
One last thing, Christofilis would have been our 13th highest rated recruit ever. He is a very high 3 star according to 247.
Speaking of Kerr, I was at WSU when Kerr played in the Pac 12. I watched him play. He was an outstanding player. He was a two time All Pac 10 point guard and an All American point guard when he played at Arizona. He lead Arizona to a final four. He was also good enough to play in the NBA for 15 years and win 5 Championships. He was a much better player than you think he was. You are thinking of him as a player toward the end of his career.
One last thing, Christofilis would have been our 13th highest rated recruit ever. He is a very high 3 star according to 247.
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They seem most active trying to find a PG but also seem after shooting regardless of position.
That makes a lot of sense. They do need a point guard. Plus, the idea is to score more points than your opponent. If he can fill it up like he is supposed to be able to do, then we can understand why they offered him. Whether they were still trying hard to recruit him, who knows? But, after how well they did with this current class, they get the benefit of the doubt that they will still sign very good players.
I would have liked Christofilis personally. Long range shooting potential which is obviously where the game has gone. With such a small class as you pointed out I also wonder if they prioritized others or whether Christofilis of course did not prioritized us very high. Creighton shoots the 3 as much as anyone most years and they have a quality program.
Steve Kerr's a Pac 10 great in my mind. Talk about deep shooter! Those Arizona teams back then were great to watch.
Edit: Just searched Kerr's college stats. He only had the 3-point line for a year but shot 57.3% from 3 his senior season. For his career he shot 54.8 % overall and 81.5% from the line and average 32 minutes per game. So I'll agree with Mik that his shooting certainly was why he had such a long career but he could fill it up. Big thing to me is he was never a volume shooter. At UA he average 7.8 attempts per game. You could also count on him to make big shots.
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No offense to him but I seriously doubt Pengelly has ever been mentioned in the same breath as Steve Kerr.
Ok so maybe I am probably wrong about Steve Kerr and am thinking about him in has last 7 years in the NBA.
But the point is the kid seems to fit the 6 foot 1.5 to 6 foot 3 to 6 foot 5 slow, unathletic, cant jump, etc, but 75% 3 point shooter, white guard, AKA Blake Pengelly, LODWICK, Nick Witheral, Tim Leggler, Kerr, Dan Majerely, Jeff Hornacek, etc, USUAL STANDARD PROTOTYPE.
Yeah sure thats a BROAD GENERALITY, but its a USUALLY true broad generality.
The kid will probably be a lethal 3 point shooting dagger to opponents for 9 to 17 minutes per game for about 9 to 17 points per game, in, during the critical crunch times in a game.
Thats nothing to snide at.
But altho its nothing to Snide at, its still not as good as what WSU can, should get, and did get in this class.
And as has been pointed out, the kid will be a awesome fit at Creighton, that is one of the most prolific 3 point shooting teams in all of basketball right now, and is why the kid will probably be a good fit there with his 3 point shooting, which is why Creighton got him.
And maybe the kid is athletic, fast, can jump, drive, pass, defend, rebound, in addition to shooting.
But I'll believe that if I see it.
For now, he doesnt pass the eye test, and will apply the usual standard prototypical prototype to him that he probably is, until if he proves otherwise.
I would take guys like Noah Williams, Bamba, Koulibay, etc, over this kid anyday.
Then if I had room, then I would take a kid like the this kid.
But the point is the kid seems to fit the 6 foot 1.5 to 6 foot 3 to 6 foot 5 slow, unathletic, cant jump, etc, but 75% 3 point shooter, white guard, AKA Blake Pengelly, LODWICK, Nick Witheral, Tim Leggler, Kerr, Dan Majerely, Jeff Hornacek, etc, USUAL STANDARD PROTOTYPE.
Yeah sure thats a BROAD GENERALITY, but its a USUALLY true broad generality.
The kid will probably be a lethal 3 point shooting dagger to opponents for 9 to 17 minutes per game for about 9 to 17 points per game, in, during the critical crunch times in a game.
Thats nothing to snide at.
But altho its nothing to Snide at, its still not as good as what WSU can, should get, and did get in this class.
And as has been pointed out, the kid will be a awesome fit at Creighton, that is one of the most prolific 3 point shooting teams in all of basketball right now, and is why the kid will probably be a good fit there with his 3 point shooting, which is why Creighton got him.
And maybe the kid is athletic, fast, can jump, drive, pass, defend, rebound, in addition to shooting.
But I'll believe that if I see it.
For now, he doesnt pass the eye test, and will apply the usual standard prototypical prototype to him that he probably is, until if he proves otherwise.
I would take guys like Noah Williams, Bamba, Koulibay, etc, over this kid anyday.
Then if I had room, then I would take a kid like the this kid.
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