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OK brainiacs, now what?

Hold on, I am on cup #1 and catching up.

Socal - what interview? The one I saw just said it was a bad deal for Memphis and they said no........?

Uber - that's pretty funny. I resemble your snide remark. I'm worn out by all this, think I'll just watch for a while.
Start at the 2:30 mark.

 
As a fan, Memphis and NOLA are 100x better road trips than Vegas.

Beale Street is legit fun not the manufactured neon of Vegas.

The Quarter should be experienced by every American at least once. And then bail over to Frenchman’s Street in NOLA. Mind blowing food town that is, arguably, better than anywhere in the world.
Agree.

Las Vegas has become an overpriced destination. Event weekend will find single hotel rooms starting at $500/ night. Getting around is either getting scammed by cab drivers or uber drivers, and good luck finding a meal for under $25/ person, and thats like a slice and a beer at NYNY. Fremont Street has decided to not miss out on bilking drunk travellers out of their money and is no longer the bargain it once was.

There are some properties south that I had the misfortune to visit, so I suppose if you like to smoke and gamble there are still values to be had "in" Vegas.
 
Start at the 2:30 mark.

Hey thanks. Geez I wish we had this guy. No BS, willing to give details, etc. Talking about travel costs, etc. etc. And you were right - it wasn't a "no", it was a no to our pathetic offer. I'll have to come back and watch the entirety of the clip.

Compare that to our leadership (Teresa and Anne). Absolutely nothing from them, we have no details on anything, certainly not monetarily. I don't have millions to give, but I'm not willing to part with even my meager potential contribution by throwing it into a dark closet. I'll stop there.
 
If UNLV ends up staying with the Mtn West, it could be a silver lining. We could continue to hold our championships in Sin City, making it a neutral site game for both teams, and getting both fan bases to travel to what many consider a desirable destination. Keeping that option and adding schools that are arguably better then UNLV can end up being a win-win situation.

EDIT: BTW, why did you pick Oxford MS to retire to? Cost of living, family, witness protection program? :)
Small college town, trendy and vibrant, with an active night life, including multiple venues hosting live music nightly. Home prices less than half that of Socal, comparable to Pullman. Frankly, Oxford is everything you wish Pullman was as a college town, but isn't, a place people come to spend the weekend for its own sake, apart from SEC football. Visited college towns with an eye retiring to one, Oxford was the clear winner for me.
 
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Hey thanks. Geez I wish we had this guy. No BS, willing to give details, etc. Talking about travel costs, etc. etc. And you were right - it wasn't a "no", it was a no to our pathetic offer. I'll have to come back and watch the entirety of the clip.

Compare that to our leadership (Teresa and Anne). Absolutely nothing from them, we have no details on anything, certainly not monetarily. I don't have millions to give, but I'm not willing to part with even my meager potential contribution by throwing it into a dark closet. I'll stop there.
Of course there is nothing from our leadership. Other than entertaining you, what would be the point? They're trying to build a conference and have increased the membership by 3.5x.

The Memphis guy is basically saying, "Hey everybody, we're willing to get paid more. You got my number, let me know."
 
Of course there is nothing from our leadership. Other than entertaining you, what would be the point? They're trying to build a conference and have increased the membership by 3.5x.

The Memphis guy is basically saying, "Hey everybody, we're willing to get paid more. You got my number, let me know."
At this point I don't think they need to hurry to add another team. Making decisions in a panic is never a good idea. The pac 12 needs to figure out the dollar number they can promise other schools before they go any further. You got 7, just need one more. First thing is how much do we actually owe the MWC, I thought it was silly suing them since we agreed to exit fees and poaching fees. However in speaking to a legal expert on this, he claims the Pac has a legitimate issue, which could reduce those poaching fees. Next you go to the networks, here are our 7 teams, what's it worth? if we add ? or ? Or ? what is it worth? They can get some pretty close dollar numbers with that. Once you're done counting money, you then you go to market with the money you have in your pocket, and offer teams, and what happens then only time will tell. If a team can net more money, after travel costs, by joining Pac-7 they will, if they can't they won't. I'd like to think, with all the consultants they hired they were given some numbers that will be reliable down the road, or this whole exercise in keeping the Pac 12 as a league was a waste of time.
 
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At this point I don't think they need to hurry to add another team. Making decisions in a panic is never a good idea. The pac 12 needs to figure out the dollar number they can promise other schools before they go any further. You got 7, just need one more. First thing is how much do we actually owe the MWC, I thought it was silly suing them since we agreed to exit fees and poaching fees. However in speaking to a legal expert on this, he claims the Pac has a legitimate issue, which could reduce those poaching fees. Next you go to the networks, here are our 7 teams, what's it worth? if we add ? or ? Or ? what is it worth? They can get some pretty close dollar numbers with that. Once you're done counting money, you then you go to market with the money you have in your pocket, and offer teams, and what happens then only time will tell. If a team can net more money, after travel costs, by joining Pac-7 they will, if they can't they won't. I'd like to think, with all the consultants they hired they were given some numbers that will be reliable down the road, or this whole exercise in keeping the Pac 12 as a league was a waste of time.
That part should already be done. I don't see CSU, SDSU, BSU, FSU and USU joining without that.
 
At this point I don't think they need to hurry to add another team. Making decisions in a panic is never a good idea. The pac 12 needs to figure out the dollar number they can promise other schools before they go any further. You got 7, just need one more. First thing is how much do we actually owe the MWC, I thought it was silly suing them since we agreed to exit fees and poaching fees. However in speaking to a legal expert on this, he claims the Pac has a legitimate issue, which could reduce those poaching fees. Next you go to the networks, here are our 7 teams, what's it worth? if we add ? or ? Or ? what is it worth? They can get some pretty close dollar numbers with that. Once you're done counting money, you then you go to market with the money you have in your pocket, and offer teams, and what happens then only time will tell. If a team can net more money, after travel costs, by joining Pac-7 they will, if they can't they won't. I'd like to think, with all the consultants they hired they were given some numbers that will be reliable down the road, or this whole exercise in keeping the Pac 12 as a league was a waste of time.

I agree 100%, and said something similar in another thread. Let the lawsuit play out a bit, figure out if we've got another $50M to play with, see what's going to happen with other conferences, etc. If we've got that extra cash, we can money-whip Memphis or UNLV or someone out of their current "commitment" to their conference. Any commitments they've made today will get real soft real quick if the finances favor them moving.

That part should already be done. I don't see CSU, SDSU, BSU, FSU and USU joining without that.
Probably, yes. At least a soft number that showed that with those schools the Pac-12 value > MWC value. But the final conference member will have some impact on turning that soft number into a real number. It's also apparent that whatever that soft number was, it wasn't high enough to justify the AAC exit fees for Memphis, and it was overcome by a one-time $20M payment to UNLV.

If we win the lawsuit and the poaching fees go away, we gain more flexibility to sweeten the pot and change the calculus for the 8th team.



Pulling in Hawaii as an 8th football member probably does little to nothing for the conference media value, and reduces the per-school share. Pulling in Gonzaga as a basketball member may create some value, but hard to say how much. And, I'm not sure pulling either one (or both) actually puts us over the top in members.
 
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Here is what I think is currently most credible:

We took the top 4 MWC and did not offer UNLV initially because we could not trust the UNLV board to keep it quiet. The 4 we took really, really wanted out of the MWC.

Once there was visibility, Utah State wanted in and has a reasonable program. Done.

MWC desperately wanted to keep AFA and UNLV, and offered them a pile of money to do so. If they finalize that deal, AFA and UNLV will get some money and be locked in forever at the coming MWC level. Unlikely to ever get to the playoffs. And the MWC has shot their wad; no other significant resources to prevent another MWC team from leaving.

PAC clearly will be the best non-P4 conference, regardless of who ends up being #8. The PAC champion is almost certain to be in the playoffs, unless/until the rules change. The best you can do is play by the current rules. I think this is one of the most (if not the most) key points. Realistically, we now have a better chance at getting in the playoffs than UW! Boise and OSU can say the same. It will not be a problem getting an 8th team who feels the same way. It remains to be seen who that is, but I'd suggest that it really does not matter unless it is a big home run. And the home run teams have all managed to extort something out of their home conferences to get them to stay.

Our commish has handled the situation quite well. Getting the first 4 without leaks or warnings was just flat out a brilliant performance. I would have said it was impossible.

One last comment, only peripherally related: Given the recruiting realities, I see our recruiting future being 25 every year, with HS kids from SoCal & Sacto (2/3 of the class), HS kids from WA & WA adjacent (1/6) and transfers (1/6). We need to get 5 recruiters into SoCal plus 1 centered in Sacto but able to go toward the Bay if an opportunity presents itself.
 
I have a question about UNLV. I understand they are a bad football program historically. They are the 5th or 6th choice for sports dollars in Las Vegas. They are 100th plus in TV viewership. I get all that.

However, they are in a decent sized city. I was under the impression that when a college conference is looking for a TV deal market size was important. For example, WSU has had on field success and decent ratings over the last 12ish years and more success prior to 2008 or so. In the last 30 years 2 Rose Bowls and 6 or 7 10 win seasons. They get decent TV ratings. But we got snubbed more or less because of market size and Pullman is too small. But as we know, WSU has the a certain % of the eastern WA college football market and maybe 35 to 40% of the Seattle college football market.

Why is UNLV a bad deal for the P12? Even SJSU or Sac St would seem to help the league market numbers.

I dont work in TV or business so I probably have no concept of what I'm talking about.
 
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Small college town, trendy and vibrant, with an active night life, including multiple venues hosting live music nightly. Home prices less than half that of Socal, comparable to Pullman. Frankly, Oxford is everything you wish Pullman was as a college town, but isn't, a place people come to spend the weekend for its own sake, apart from SEC football. Visited college towns with an eye retiring to one, Oxford was the clear winner for me.
Hey, you ain't fooling us with that. Of course housing/cost of living is a given, but we can see that you really are going there to perv on the hot, drunken, southern belle college girls! :)
 
SJSU & Sac St. is worth considering, IMHO. Same time zone as much of the rest of the conference and gets us exposure in the SF Bay area. An Oregon State fan makes a strong case for UC Davis:

Scroll down to near the bottom of page 4

UC Davis is located between Sacramento and the SF Bay area. The ST Bay area is certainly a great recruiting area and potentially large TV market. UC Davis has 40,000 students.

Blog Post about Sac State & UC Davis to the PAC 12

Reddit r/Pac12 thread on UC Davis to the Pac12
 
I have a question about UNLV. I understand they are a bad football program historically. They are the 5th or 6th choice for sports dollars in Las Vegas. They are 100th plus in TV viewership. I get all that.

However, they are in a decent sized city. I was under the impression that when a college conference is looking for a TV deal market size was important. For example, WSU has had on field success and decent ratings over the last 12ish years and more success prior to 2008 or so. In the last 30 years 2 Rose Bowls and 6 or 7 10 win seasons. They get decent TV ratings. But we got snubbed more or less because of market size and Pullman is too small. But as we know, WSU has the a certain % of the eastern WA college football market and maybe 35 to 40% of the Seattle college football market.

Why is UNLV a bad deal for the P12? Even SJSU or Sac St would seem to help the league market numbers.

I dont work in TV or business so I probably have no concept of what I'm talking about.
It’s short sited to look at their history. History is littered with teams that rose up from the dead to have championship teams and huge followings. Look at Miami. They almost axed their program back in the late 70s/early 80s. They got some talent and swagger and went on to be a national power. I could see UNLV doing the same thing. If they found some overnight success with the right coach and a couple of stars, and were in a major conference, people with money would come out of the woodwork…there’s a lot of money in Vegas. They have one of the best stadiums in CFB. It just has to be a cool ticket, which can happen in one season in a place like Vegas.
 
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Our commish has handled the situation quite well. Getting the first 4 without leaks or warnings was just flat out a brilliant performance. I would have said it was impossible.
A "brilliant performance"? Ok buddy, let's go with that. The rest of the country thinks we have totally f-ed up by not doing the merger. But don't mind them. Teresa gets to keep her job, which is the only thing that matters.
 
A "brilliant performance"? Ok buddy, let's go with that. The rest of the country thinks we have totally f-ed up by not doing the merger. But don't mind them. Teresa gets to keep her job, which is the only thing that matters.

I have read a couple articles that say that we should do the reverse merger but those articles also fail to go into the financial ruin that it would wreak upon WSU and OSU. They also ignore that the five teams that have joined us stand to at least double their TV revenue by virtue of not having the dregs of the MWC along for the ride. I feel for UNLV because they have been put in a bad spot (great spot?). The $25 million bribe and unequal revenue sharing will mean that jumping to the Pac-12 would likely take them close to a decade to break even and I get that it doesn't make sense for them to make the jump given that the MWC is willing to sell out completely to keep them.

We are not going to look back and wish that we had included the other teams.
 
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A "brilliant performance"? Ok buddy, let's go with that. The rest of the country thinks we have totally f-ed up by not doing the merger. But don't mind them. Teresa gets to keep her job, which is the only thing that matters.
The rest of the country thinks the Pac-12 totally f-up by not offering UNLV in the first place and making a legitimate offer to Tulane/Memphis/UTSA.

Not taking the bottom feeders of the MWC was a good move and attracted the 4/5 that came over.
 
SJSU & Sac St. is worth considering, IMHO. Same time zone as much of the rest of the conference and gets us exposure in the SF Bay area. An Oregon State fan makes a strong case for UC Davis:

Scroll down to near the bottom of page 4

UC Davis is located between Sacramento and the SF Bay area. The ST Bay area is certainly a great recruiting area and potentially large TV market. UC Davis has 40,000 students.

Blog Post about Sac State & UC Davis to the PAC 12

Reddit r/Pac12 thread on UC Davis to the Pac12

SJSU is staying with MWC. SJSU, Sac St are only worth the PAC getting IF IF IF IF:

Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, James Madison, etc, don't join PAC. Yes MWC has invited Texas St. Texas St is STUPID IF it chooses MWC over PAC. PAC needs to invite Texas St.

Then if all that doesn't work, then PAC can invite Sac St, as a ultimate last resort
 
SJSU is staying with MWC. SJSU, Sac St are only worth the PAC getting IF IF IF IF:

Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, James Madison, etc, don't join PAC. Yes MWC has invited Texas St. Texas St is STUPID IF it chooses MWC over PAC. PAC needs to invite Texas St.

Then if all that doesn't work, then PAC can invite Sac St, as a ultimate last resort
Nevada is a million times better option than Sac St. why is Texas St so critical? Up until this realignment I had no idea it was a real program, I just thought they were a fake team that had Kathy Ireland as a kicker
 
Nevada is a million times better option than Sac St. why is Texas St so critical? Up until this realignment I had no idea it was a real program, I just thought they were a fake team that had Kathy Ireland as a kicker

Sac St, NDSU, South Dakotah St, are WAY better then Nevada. NDSU, should be G5, as they have DOMINATED FCS for 50 years. Sac St has had recent success, and has invested big time money, and has a semi good TV market. Despite that, they are ultimate last resort options. Nevada is worse, and is staying with MWC.

Texas state has been G5 champ in recent years, and it has ok TV viewership, and expands footprint to Texas for recruiting, and is better then Nevada, etc.

Also Texas St is not as good as Rice in Houston, in AAC, and about tied with North Texas in AAC, Tulsa in AAC, Liberty 12-0, G5 champ, JMU.

Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, JMU, NDSU, South Dakotah St, Sac 12, are the only realistic options left. The MWC teams are staying put in MWC. And Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA said NO, So that only leaves Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, JMU, Appalachian St, NDSU,South Dakotah St, Sac St, unless if win lawsuit, not have to pay poaching penalty, and then make a better offer to Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, USF, which is RISKY to put Eggs in that basket, and less risky to get either Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, JMU, Apalachian St, NDSU, South Dakotah St, Sac St.
 
“the rest of the country thinks…” 👌ok, Sparky.
I have read a couple articles that say that we should do the reverse merger but those articles also fail to go into the financial ruin that it would wreak upon WSU and OSU. They also ignore that the five teams that have joined us stand to at least double their TV revenue by virtue of not having the dregs of the MWC along for the ride. I feel for UNLV because they have been put in a bad spot (great spot?). The $25 million bribe and unequal revenue sharing will mean that jumping to the Pac-12 would likely take them close to a decade to break even and I get that it doesn't make sense for them to make the jump given that the MWC is willing to sell out completely to keep them.

We are not going to look back and wish that we had included the other teams.
See CBS's take below.

And Flat, please explain this "financial ruin". According to CBS, we'll be lucky to get $10M in a new TV deal. As opposed to what - let's just say $5M in a PacMtn conference. So we'll pay how much to get them? The $55M in poaching (if you think our lawsuit has ANY chance I feel sorry for you) plus how much in exit fees did we promise? So figure 5 years of our half of the $55M just to break even in the poaching $. Plus exit fees, plus whatever else we end up paying.


And there's more:


 
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Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, JMU, NDSU, South Dakotah St, Sac 12, are the only realistic options left. The MWC teams are staying put in MWC. And Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA said NO, So that only leaves Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, JMU, Appalachian St, NDSU,South Dakotah St, Sac St, unless if win lawsuit, not have to pay poaching penalty, and then make a better offer to Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, USF, which is RISKY to put Eggs in that basket, and less risky to get either Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, JMU, Apalachian St, NDSU, South Dakotah St, Sac St.
Oh Mik.

As you noted, Rice, Tulsa and N. Texas are all in the AAC (translation: $25M in exit fees). Texas St. , Appalachian ST. and James Madison would cost $5M each. Liberty, James Madison and Appalachian State are on the East Coast. Dakota is not spelled Dakotah, and neither of them would move the TV dial, neither stadium seats more than 19K, both are too far away and neither would come anyway.

But, if you list all of them 3 times in one paragraph that may heighten their attractiveness and likelihood of coming to the Pac. Sac St? Hey I threw them out on this board, zero response.
 
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SJSU is staying with MWC. SJSU, Sac St are only worth the PAC getting IF IF IF IF:

Rice, Texas St, North Texas, Tulsa, Liberty, James Madison, etc, don't join PAC. Yes MWC has invited Texas St. Texas St is STUPID IF it chooses MWC over PAC. PAC needs to invite Texas St.

Then if all that doesn't work, then PAC can invite Sac St, as a ultimate last resort

Nevada is a million times better option than Sac St. why is Texas St so critical? Up until this realignment I had no idea it was a real program, I just thought they were a fake team that had Kathy Ireland as a kicker

Take a look at the links I posted regarding UC Davis. Here's why I think UC Davis is considerably better than Nevada and Texas State many other schools:

1) Near the S.F. Bay area. The combined S.F. Bay area & Sacramento area is 10M people! All those people mean 2 things:
* Great recruiting area
* Lots of eyeballs on TV

By the way, S.F. Bay area is in our time zone and is easy travel access.

2) Excellent academics. Might be key for recruiting members in the future (think Cal, ...). Good for the image of the conference, too.

3) 40,000 student population. Should have lots of alumni who can make donations towards improving their athletic department.

Okay, all of you still don't like U.C. Davis because they're an FCS school and have no tradition of good football at the FBS level. Guess what??? Boise St, Fresno St, Oregon St., SDSU, Utah St., and Wazzo all expect to win over half of their football games in this new conference! We need somebody in the conference to lose a few football games, too.

Think of U.C. Davis as the new college hire who needs a little mentoring and some time to learn their job. But in the long run, there could be tremendous upside. Many of the Mountain West schools left behind, like Nevada, New Mexico, Wyoming, are at a dead end. They'll never get better, small population areas, etc.

We need presence in the S.F. Bay area.
 
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Sac St, NDSU, South Dakotah St, are WAY better then Nevada. NDSU, should be G5, as they have DOMINATED FCS for 50 years.
Oh Mik, I forgot one thing. How can NDSU have dominated the FCS for 50 years, when they have only been D1-AA/FCS for 20 years? That's some fancy math there buddy.
 
Okay, all of you still don't like U.C. Davis because they're an FCS school and have no tradition of good football at the FBS level. Guess what??? Boise St, Fresno St, Oregon St., SDSU, and Wazzo all expect to win over half of their football games in this new conference! We need somebody in the conference to lose a few football games, too.

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Dave, I kinda think I like you. But not being able to spell Wazzu (it's not Wazzo) on a WSU board sort of raises red flags.

And I don't think ill of UC-Davis.
 
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See CBS's take below.

And Flat, please explain this "financial ruin". According to CBS, we'll be lucky to get $10M in a new TV deal. As opposed to what - let's just say $5M in a PacMtn conference. So we'll pay how much to get them? The $55M in poaching (if you think our lawsuit has ANY chance I feel sorry for you) plus how much in exit fees did we promise? So figure 5 years of our half of the $55M just to break even in the poaching $. Plus exit fees, plus whatever else we end up paying.


And there's more:



BSU MWC that LESS THAN BSU PAC 8, was supposed to get about 8,9,10,11 million, and the BSU PAC 8, is going to get more, not less than the BSU MWC, so said Dellinger, Yahoo Sports, etc.
 
See CBS's take below.

And Flat, please explain this "financial ruin". According to CBS, we'll be lucky to get $10M in a new TV deal. As opposed to what - let's just say $5M in a PacMtn conference. So we'll pay how much to get them? The $55M in poaching (if you think our lawsuit has ANY chance I feel sorry for you) plus how much in exit fees did we promise? So figure 5 years of our half of the $55M just to break even in the poaching $. Plus exit fees, plus whatever else we end up paying.


And there's more:



FWIW, most of the discussion is putting us north of $12 million not $10 million. Also, I would have been fine seeing WSU operate as an independent for the next five years to see if we could have enhanced our brand value and earned an invite. I'd much rather see that than to be part of a sh!tty conference that involves a bunch of games with teams that normally draw 10% of the viewers that we normally get.
 
FWIW, most of the discussion is putting us north of $12 million not $10 million. Also, I would have been fine seeing WSU operate as an independent for the next five years to see if we could have enhanced our brand value and earned an invite. I'd much rather see that than to be part of a sh!tty conference that involves a bunch of games with teams that normally draw 10% of the viewers that we normally get.
Agreed. Watching Kansas State Oklahoma State for a bit on Saturday was sad. That conference is a perfect fit for WSU and OSU and would have been a fun conference to be a part of, and we’d have added a lot of value to the conference. Such a no brainer.
 
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I can't tell you for sure what most of the rest of the country thinks, because most of them don't know anything about how this all came together. I can tell you that it was important to get the core of what you wanted together, and the more people who knew, the harder that would be. At some point you have to go with those that you can trust to keep their mouth shut, and that clearly excluded UNLV. Now, would it have been a good idea to have that offer to others ready to lay on the table immediately after the announcement that we'd reached 6 teams? Sure. For all that we know, that may have happened with at least some of those parties. Just because it has not been announced publicly does not mean it did not happen, but I willingly admit that I don't know either way. And I stand by my statement that getting the 4 together with complete radio silence was brilliant. I frankly would not have thought that was possible. If you've ever tried to do something similar, you know that getting 4 groups (each with multiple people in the know) to hold their tongues is an accomplishment.
 
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I can't tell you for sure what most of the rest of the country thinks, because most of them don't know anything about how this all came together. I can tell you that it was important to get the core of what you wanted together, and the more people who knew, the harder that would be. At some point you have to go with those that you can trust to keep their mouth shut, and that clearly excluded UNLV. Now, would it have been a good idea to have that offer to others ready to lay on the table immediately after the announcement that we'd reached 6 teams? Sure. For all that we know, that may have happened with at least some of those parties. Just because it has not been announced publicly does not mean it did not happen, but I willingly admit that I don't know either way. And I stand by my statement that getting the 4 together with complete radio silence was brilliant. I frankly would not have thought that was possible. If you've ever tried to do something similar, you know that getting 4 groups (each with multiple people in the know) to hold their tongues is an accomplishment.
The MW did it (keep it a secret) with 8 schools when they fled the WAC. Although from what I've read the conversation was "President's only".
 
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FWIW, most of the discussion is putting us north of $12 million not $10 million. Also, I would have been fine seeing WSU operate as an independent for the next five years to see if we could have enhanced our brand value and earned an invite. I'd much rather see that than to be part of a sh!tty conference that involves a bunch of games with teams that normally draw 10% of the viewers that we normally get.
Ok, $2 more million a year. Yes that saves us from this "financial ruin" you speak of. Only 4 years, not 5, to pay off the poaching fees. Still not counting exit fee promises. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Ok, $2 more million a year. Yes that saves us from this "financial ruin" you speak of. Only 4 years, not 5, to pay off the poaching fees. Still not counting exit fee promises. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm hoping that we are closer to $15 million (note that I said "north of $12 million". And again.....I would have not been disappointed by skipping the whole charade. The big question that we don't know the answer to is how long does the current mess last before the SEC and B1G blow it all up?
 
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