On The Cheap

[cougarmike]

So the reported 1.57 million dollar a year contract for new head coach Jimmy Rogers makes him the sixth highest paid coach out the seven current Pac 12 coaches. That is our "commitment" to excellence? We are watching the orchestrated downsizing of our football program. Effectively throwing in the towel while paying lip service to the promise of funding a Pac 12 level program. There is no commitment. What a sham.

 

[Observer11]

It’s a pretty strange world where $1.75 million per year guaranteed for five years is considered “cheap”

The inflated egos of college athletic directors destroy economic laws of supply and demand

 

[BiggsCoug]

So the reported 1.57 million dollar a year contract for new head coach Jimmy Rogers makes him the sixth highest paid coach out the seven current Pac 12 coaches. That is our "commitment" to excellence? We are watching the the orchestrated downsizing of our football program. Effectively throwing in the towel while paying lip service to the promise of funding a Pac 12 level program. There is no commitment. What a sham.

There is no commitment to excellence. There never has been. Show me the line in the sand where WSU admin says “that isn’t acceptable. You’re fired.” Cause it sure as hell wasn’t 2 league wins last year. Fck man. WSU doesn’t even have a bare minimum standard of competency. What is the least WSU will accept? 6th out of 7th? Sure that works. That’s ok. It’s good enough. Everyone loves a bargain. We’ve always done it that way.

If you want it to change you have to fire everyone. Top to bottom, left to right, everyone. Bring in a leader that draws a line in the sand for excellence and says everything on this side stays. Everything on that side leaves. The attitude matters first.

I didn’t like how Meion Sanders just fired the entire team in his first meeting. At the very least he could have had the kids run 40 yard sprints to see if there was anyone that could run. However, I do understand his desire to remove anyone that has the “good enough cancer.” You are not going to rebuild or build a program with people fighting you the entire way on them being competent or raising their standards or changing their habits. Just remove them and find someone else.

WSU admin needs to be removed. Staff included. Start over completely.

Queen Anne, if I were placing bets, prob had the search firm make calls….. this is how much WSU has….. and they promptly got shut down repeatedly. No one is leaving a P4 conference for the same pay or less pay. So they had to fo shopping where they had leverage…. where the HC was gonna get a significant raise, not a lateral move.

So here we are. With another FCS coach. At a time when WSU needs a home run, they got a “let’s see what happens” coach.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

A guy (who, by the way, I think looks like a good candidate) should be paid what makes sense based on his resume. We are paying a respectable amount vis a vis his resume. If he does great, give him a raise. But at this point his compensation has taken a huge jump. Let's let him do something good before we give him more. Paying more is no guarantee of success...if it was, the blue bloods would all be successful...yet they are not. And certainly the less rich schools don't necessarily get what they pay for.

There are a lot of ways to evaluate a candidate. Just based on my own experience, I'd lean toward the younger guys with energy and some track record. Yes, experience matters. But so does capability and energy. I'm happy with the hire. Now I'm waiting to see what he decides regarding his OC.

 

[Coug90]

There is no commitment to excellence. There never has been. Show me the line in the sand where WSU admin says “that isn’t acceptable. You’re fired.” Cause it sure as hell wasn’t 2 league wins last year. Fck man. WSU doesn’t even have a bare minimum standard of competency. What is the least WSU will accept? 6th out of 7th? Sure that works. That’s ok. It’s good enough. Everyone loves a bargain. We’ve always done it that way.

If you want it to change you have to fire everyone. Top to bottom, left to right, everyone. Bring in a leader that draws a line in the sand for excellence and says everything on this side stays. Everything on that side leaves. The attitude matters first.

I didn’t like how Meion Sanders just fired the entire team in his first meeting. At the very least he could have had the kids run 40 yard sprints to see if there was anyone that could run. However, I do understand his desire to remove anyone that has the “good enough cancer.” You are not going to rebuild or build a program with people fighting you the entire way on them being competent or raising their standards or changing their habits. Just remove them and find someone else.

WSU admin needs to be removed. Staff included. Start over completely.

Queen Anne, if I were placing bets, prob had the search firm make calls….. this is how much WSU has….. and they promptly got shut down repeatedly. No one is leaving a P4 conference for the same pay or less pay. So they had to fo shopping where they had leverage…. where the HC was gonna get a significant raise, not a lateral move.

So here we are. With another FCS coach. At a time when WSU needs a home run, they got a “let’s see what happens” coach.

Every coach is a let’s see what happens Coach. I’ll remind you that Brent Venables is making $7M a year…to have the same record Dickert had.

Paying more $$ doesn’t guarantee more wins. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[BiggsCoug]

A guy (who, by the way, I think looks like a good candidate) should be paid what makes sense based on his resume. We are paying a respectable amount vis a vis his resume. If he does great, give him a raise. But at this point his compensation has taken a huge jump. Let's let him do something good before we give him more. Paying more is no guarantee of success...if it was, the blue bloods would all be successful...yet they are not. And certainly the less rich schools don't necessarily get what they pay for.

There are a lot of ways to evaluate a candidate. Just based on my own experience, I'd lean toward the younger guys with energy and some track record. Yes, experience matters. But so does capability and energy. I'm happy with the hire. Now I'm waiting to see what he decides regarding his OC.

Brand name matters. It matters when you recruit. It matters in your first team meeting.

Imagine sitting in the team meeting at WSU being told Bill Doba, a coach you loved, got fired. And in walks Howling Turd, your new coach. I guarantee most of the team had no idea who he was. You feel betrayed by the WSU admin. They fired your guy and replaced him with who?

Jimmy has had a great 2 years. He may be the guy on the upswing. There is still a roster sitting in the team meeting saying “who?”

WSU does not have such a strong brand in recruting that it can hire a virutal no name nobody and get in front of the kids it needs to win games.

Your point about his pay is valid. But they got what they paid for. A man with no West Coast brand name.

 

[95coug]

If I could craft the contract for a coach, it would never have a high salary. Base salary would match the lowest paid coach in FBS, and then be loaded with incentives.

A bonus for each win beyond 6. A bonus for a good recruiting class. A bonus for maintaining APR. A bonus for a bowl game, conference championship, or CFP berth…doubled for winning it.

I’d do all I could to make it so if they had an average season, they were paid an average or slightly below salary. But if they have a huge season, they can be extremely well paid. Let them decide from day 1 how good they think they are, and then give them a reason to prove it.

If one coach looks at the deal and thinks “I’m never going to make these bonuses, I’m only going to make $1.5M here” then I don’t want him. I want the coach that says “I can hit these marks and make $6M next season.”

Then we just have to make sure the money is there. Might have to cut some VPs or something, but we have plenty to spare. Someone at WSU seems to think they’re running a bank, there are so many VPs around.

 

[Coug90]

If I could craft the contract for a coach, it would never have a high salary. Base salary would match the lowest paid coach in FBS, and then be loaded with incentives.

A bonus for each win beyond 6. A bonus for a good recruiting class. A bonus for maintaining APR. A bonus for a bowl game, conference championship, or CFP berth…doubled for winning it.

I’d do all I could to make it so if they had an average season, they were paid an average or slightly below salary. But if they have a huge season, they can be extremely well paid. Let them decide from day 1 how good they think they are, and then give them a reason to prove it.

If one coach looks at the deal and thinks “I’m never going to make these bonuses, I’m only going to make $1.5M here” then I don’t want him. I want the coach that says “I can hit these marks and make $6M next season.”

Then we just have to make sure the money is there. Might have to cut some VPs or something, but we have plenty to spare. Someone at WSU seems to think they’re running a bank, there are so many VPs around.

I don’t disagree with this premise but the problem is and always has been what everyone else is doing. If “X” school is going to give you $5M when you’re completely unproven, the upside has to be enormous to lure someone in with that kind of deal. Probably double that. Not to mention your incentives would have to be layered as most coaches are going to expect turnover and at least a slight rebuild in year 1. I think you’d be surprised how many of these “alpha” guys would take the guaranteed money than the lottery ticket to bet on themselves.

Like everything else in this country the compensation is top loaded beyond belief. Fortune 500 orgs the CEO makes 8 figures and the CFO and CRO make 1/10th. Assistants should really make a much higher % of the total coaching budget. When you look at our season a lot of the problems fell on the assistants IMO.

 

[PeteTheChop]

If I could craft the contract for a coach, it would never have a high salary. Base salary would match the lowest paid coach in FBS, and then be loaded with incentives.

Well said 95, but how many desirable candidates would take an offer like that?

Anne and Dr. Schultz could've ended up with either with a far less heralded FCS, an FBS guy who was on the chopping block and just desperate to land somewhere or a career assistant

 

[PeteTheChop]

Not sure how WSU's decision-makers viewed the search process, but ideally it might reflect the new reality in College Football where a "game day coach" would be more valuable than a "program builder" who signs hidden gems in recruiting and develops then in a 1-3 year process since those players will simply be bought out by the so-called bigger programs once they show promise.

For example, not sure CML's success at WSU would've been impacted much either way by free agency since he was the ultimate plug 'n' play coach

 

[roses04]

I have no idea if Jimmy Rodgers will be good for the program or not. What I do know is that he runs a 4 3 defense, which will be nice to see again, getting the players to run it might take a few years. After watching the 4-2 defense for the past 3-4 years giving up a lot of points it will be nice to see a change. The only thing the saved the 4-2 defense at times was the turnovers.

South Dakota St ran a spread offense, yes, they rushed more time than they passed, and how many times have people on this board bitch about not running the ball enough. There are a lot of holes to plug with over 30 players hitting the portal, so we will have to give it some time, change can be good.

And losing your last 3 games in which you were favored would have gotten many coaches fired, giving up 41 points to a Beaver team that averaged 24 a game was a crap performance, and only scoring 14 points against a 2-9 Wyoming, might have been worse. Dickert lucked out and got a new gig, WSU lucked out in that it didn't have to fire him, not that they would have, and got a lot of money in the buyout of Dickert's contract.

I don't hate Dickert, and based upon the circus of an administration running WSU right now, I don't blame him for leaving. I think Dickert was a good person, ran a clean program, and kept things together during Covid and the chaos that followed after the Rolo mess. I think his staff goes in with a good game plan but many times were out played on the 2nd half, making adjustments seemed to be a weakness. I feel Dickert was a good guy, but not a great coach. He's gone and I don't care what he does at WF, but the deck might be stacked against him much higher there than at WSU. Based upon the numbers, in reality there is a strong possibility the new staff is an upgrade over the one that left

 

[mikalalas]

A guy (who, by the way, I think looks like a good candidate) should be paid what makes sense based on his resume. We are paying a respectable amount vis a vis his resume. If he does great, give him a raise. But at this point his compensation has taken a huge jump. Let's let him do something good before we give him more. Paying more is no guarantee of success...if it was, the blue bloods would all be successful...yet they are not. And certainly the less rich schools don't necessarily get what they pay for.

There are a lot of ways to evaluate a candidate. Just based on my own experience, I'd lean toward the younger guys with energy and some track record. Yes, experience matters. But so does capability and energy. I'm happy with the hire. Now I'm waiting to see what he decides regarding his OC.

So WSU, Anne the AD turns down, rejects Vigen, who wanted the WSU Job, who interviewed, who better then Roger's, because has more experience, more years as a better HC, at a better Montana St, with better results, with better staff, recruits, players, with better west coast recruiting, coaching ties, that is a better recruiter the Roger's, that has more All Americans, and 4 stars, and more players in NFL, and Drafted into NFL, then Roger's, and that's closer to WSU then South Dakotah St, that understands the challenges WSU faces, and how to deal with them better then Roger's, all because, I'm assuming that Vigen asked for 1.93 MIL to 2 mil to 2.15cmil to 2.25 mil to 2.33 mil to 2.5 mil to 2.65 mil, and then Anne probably, assumingly rejected Vigen, because he probably, assumingly, asked for too much, About 1.93 mil to About 2.65 mil, I would assume, and instead of negotiating counter offering, just turned him Vigen down cold, rejected, dismissed him, walked away, etc, all because WSU Admin were, are probably CHEAPSKATES, and didn't want to pay for about 1.93 mil to about 2.65 mil, and so chose Rogers so that they would, should only pay a candidate like Roger's 1.5 mil to 1.65 mil, so that they wouldn't have to pay a better coach like Vigen about 1.93 mil to about 2.65 mil, because they CHEAPSKATES, DONT WANT A BETTER HC LIKE VIGEN DONT CARE ABOUT FOOTBALL, WONT INVEST LIKE THEY SAID THEY WOULD, JUST EMPTY LIP SERVICE THAT THEY GONA INVEST, BUT THEN THEY DONT.

Either that or they are STUPID, or we're manipulated by search firm, or search firm incompetent, just like them.


That said, I do think Roger's is about, between a semi good and semi great HC, that will work out well at WSU.

So WSU leadership did not totally blow the hire.

They, WSU, just got lucky that Roger's was available as a decent, semi good option, HC, as a cheaper option, after they STUPIDLY rejected Vigen.

 

[roses04]

Everyone seemed to be on the Vigen band wagon, maybe Vigen didn't want the job, sounds like they interviewed him. There is a strong possibility that Vigen didn't interview well, maybe that was part of his game plan, he'll have more options in the future if he continues his success at MSU, he will have better options than WSU in another year.

 

[mikalalas]

A guy (who, by the way, I think looks like a good candidate) should be paid what makes sense based on his resume. We are paying a respectable amount vis a vis his resume. If he does great, give him a raise. But at this point his compensation has taken a huge jump. Let's let him do something good before we give him more. Paying more is no guarantee of success...if it was, the blue bloods would all be successful...yet they are not. And certainly the less rich schools don't necessarily get what they pay for.

There are a lot of ways to evaluate a candidate. Just based on my own experience, I'd lean toward the younger guys with energy and some track record. Yes, experience matters. But so does capability and energy. I'm happy with the hire. Now I'm waiting to see what he decides regarding his OC.

Vigen is young, has energy, is a awesome recruiter, is a better recruiter then Roger's, has more credibility, reputation, etc, then Roger's

So altho Vigen is older then Roger's, and has more experience, years as HC then Roger's, Vigen is still young, has lots of energy.

So you saying that it's good to get a younger coach is not a reason to bypass Vigen, as Vigen is a young HC, just not as young as Rogers.

 

[dgibbons]

A guy (who, by the way, I think looks like a good candidate) should be paid what makes sense based on his resume. We are paying a respectable amount vis a vis his resume. If he does great, give him a raise. But at this point his compensation has taken a huge jump. Let's let him do something good before we give him more. Paying more is no guarantee of success...if it was, the blue bloods would all be successful...yet they are not. And certainly the less rich schools don't necessarily get what they pay for.

There are a lot of ways to evaluate a candidate. Just based on my own experience, I'd lean toward the younger guys with energy and some track record. Yes, experience matters. But so does capability and energy. I'm happy with the hire. Now I'm waiting to see what he decides regarding his OC.

Are we? His resume now includes HC at WSU. Of the 7 members of the new Pac-12 he will be 6th place in compensation. I do not consider that inspiring. We seem to be headed for the same status in the new Pac as WSU enjoyed in the old Pac, which was largely the reason that WSU was relegated.

I think Rogers is fine. He checks some boxes, and doesn't check others. None of the rumored candidates would have checked every box. I will be buying my 25th year of season tickets as soon as I can renew.

 

[dgibbons]

If I could craft the contract for a coach, it would never have a high salary. Base salary would match the lowest paid coach in FBS, and then be loaded with incentives.

A bonus for each win beyond 6. A bonus for a good recruiting class. A bonus for maintaining APR. A bonus for a bowl game, conference championship, or CFP berth…doubled for winning it.

I’d do all I could to make it so if they had an average season, they were paid an average or slightly below salary. But if they have a huge season, they can be extremely well paid. Let them decide from day 1 how good they think they are, and then give them a reason to prove it.

If one coach looks at the deal and thinks “I’m never going to make these bonuses, I’m only going to make $1.5M here” then I don’t want him. I want the coach that says “I can hit these marks and make $6M next season.”

Then we just have to make sure the money is there. Might have to cut some VPs or something, but we have plenty to spare. Someone at WSU seems to think they’re running a bank, there are so many VPs around.

And you would have Biggs as your head coach.

 

[dgibbons]

There is no commitment to excellence. There never has been. Show me the line in the sand where WSU admin says “that isn’t acceptable. You’re fired.” Cause it sure as hell wasn’t 2 league wins last year. Fck man. WSU doesn’t even have a bare minimum standard of competency. What is the least WSU will accept? 6th out of 7th? Sure that works. That’s ok. It’s good enough. Everyone loves a bargain. We’ve always done it that way.

If you want it to change you have to fire everyone. Top to bottom, left to right, everyone. Bring in a leader that draws a line in the sand for excellence and says everything on this side stays. Everything on that side leaves. The attitude matters first.

I didn’t like how Meion Sanders just fired the entire team in his first meeting. At the very least he could have had the kids run 40 yard sprints to see if there was anyone that could run. However, I do understand his desire to remove anyone that has the “good enough cancer.” You are not going to rebuild or build a program with people fighting you the entire way on them being competent or raising their standards or changing their habits. Just remove them and find someone else.

WSU admin needs to be removed. Staff included. Start over completely.

Queen Anne, if I were placing bets, prob had the search firm make calls….. this is how much WSU has….. and they promptly got shut down repeatedly. No one is leaving a P4 conference for the same pay or less pay. So they had to fo shopping where they had leverage…. where the HC was gonna get a significant raise, not a lateral move.

So here we are. With another FCS coach. At a time when WSU needs a home run, they got a “let’s see what happens” coach.

How many times would Price have been fired under your standards? Roughly twice every three years it seems.

 

[dgibbons]

It’s a pretty strange world where $1.75 million per year guaranteed for five years is considered “cheap”

The inflated egos of college athletic directors destroy economic laws of supply and demand

Just pointing out, the number seems to be $1.57 million annually over five years. I have not seen the contract or MOU, but math tells me that means roughly $1.4 million for 2025, and increases of $100k each year to top out around $1.8 million in 2029.

 

[chugspig]

Vigen interviewed for Fresno and USU and didn’t get them either. Any coincidence that he doesn’t seem to come out top? I highly doubt a guy who’s making 400k turned 3 jobs that all would have made him 4-5x more wealthy. Maybe he thinks he can wait it out and get a big12 job? But the trend everywhere is coach makes less players get more. Already is starting at the biggest schools. I would have been happy hiring Vigen, but maybe ADs aren’t sold on him using Choates recruits yet.

 

[Coug90]

I have no idea if Jimmy Rodgers will be good for the program or not. What I do know is that he runs a 4 3 defense, which will be nice to see again, getting the players to run it might take a few years. After watching the 4-2 defense for the past 3-4 years giving up a lot of points it will be nice to see a change. The only thing the saved the 4-2 defense at times was the turnovers.

South Dakota St ran a spread offense, yes, they rushed more time than they passed, and how many times have people on this board bitch about not running the ball enough. There are a lot of holes to plug with over 30 players hitting the portal, so we will have to give it some time, change can be good.

And losing your last 3 games in which you were favored would have gotten many coaches fired, giving up 41 points to a Beaver team that averaged 24 a game was a crap performance, and only scoring 14 points against a 2-9 Wyoming, might have been worse. Dickert lucked out and got a new gig, WSU lucked out in that it didn't have to fire him, not that they would have, and got a lot of money in the buyout of Dickert's contract.

I don't hate Dickert, and based upon the circus of an administration running WSU right now, I don't blame him for leaving. I think Dickert was a good person, ran a clean program, and kept things together during Covid and the chaos that followed after the Rolo mess. I think his staff goes in with a good game plan but many times were out played on the 2nd half, making adjustments seemed to be a weakness. I feel Dickert was a good guy, but not a great coach. He's gone and I don't care what he does at WF, but the deck might be stacked against him much higher there than at WSU. Based upon the numbers, in reality there is a strong possibility the new staff is an upgrade over the one that left

I don’t bitch about the percentage of runs I bitch about the complete lack of awareness to keep the defense on their heels with mixing up runs and PA pass/RPO. Arbuckle called plays like a little kid playing Madden…let’s run it easily for 10 + yards with our best skill player then run 3 straight drop back passes.

The guy who was calling plays against Syracuse gets it. If he’d been calling plays during the season I have no doubt we’d have blown out Wyoming and at least beat NM.

 

[mikalalas]

I have no idea if Jimmy Rodgers will be good for the program or not. What I do know is that he runs a 4 3 defense, which will be nice to see again, getting the players to run it might take a few years. After watching the 4-2 defense for the past 3-4 years giving up a lot of points it will be nice to see a change. The only thing the saved the 4-2 defense at times was the turnovers.

South Dakota St ran a spread offense, yes, they rushed more time than they passed, and how many times have people on this board bitch about not running the ball enough. There are a lot of holes to plug with over 30 players hitting the portal, so we will have to give it some time, change can be good.

And losing your last 3 games in which you were favored would have gotten many coaches fired, giving up 41 points to a Beaver team that averaged 24 a game was a crap performance, and only scoring 14 points against a 2-9 Wyoming, might have been worse. Dickert lucked out and got a new gig, WSU lucked out in that it didn't have to fire him, not that they would have, and got a lot of money in the buyout of Dickert's contract.

I don't hate Dickert, and based upon the circus of an administration running WSU right now, I don't blame him for leaving. I think Dickert was a good person, ran a clean program, and kept things together during Covid and the chaos that followed after the Rolo mess. I think his staff goes in with a good game plan but many times were out played on the 2nd half, making adjustments seemed to be a weakness. I feel Dickert was a good guy, but not a great coach. He's gone and I don't care what he does at WF, but the deck might be stacked against him much higher there than at WSU. Based upon the numbers, in reality there is a strong possibility the new staff is an upgrade over the one that left

I think the 3 3 5 defense with a hybrid safety, nickel, outside linebacker, that can turn the 3 3 5 into 3 4 4 on runs, and 3 3 5, with 1 blitzer, on passes is a better defense then the 4 2, 4 3, 3 4.

Lots of FCS, G 5's, low P5 level ish, low P4, are using the 3 3 5 quite successfully against higher G5's, higher P4's, etc.

Also GOOD DT's are harder to find, get, so only having to have 1 Nose tackle DT, and then having a BIG monster INSIDE MIDDLE LB, that can act as a DT, DE, in a pinch, to help out at the line, is better then the 43.

Roger's might have to change, adapt, go away from 4 3 to 3 3 5, or 3 4, if the 4 3 doesn't work for him at a higher level.

 

[mikalalas]

Everyone seemed to be on the Vigen band wagon, maybe Vigen didn't want the job, sounds like they interviewed him. There is a strong possibility that Vigen didn't interview well, maybe that was part of his game plan, he'll have more options in the future if he continues his success at MSU, he will have better options than WSU in another year.

Vigen did want the Job.

Brand X, The Couch GM TM said, reported that Vigen did want the WSU Job, and that WSU was seriously looking at Vigen, at least until the interview, and that WSU, Vigen approached each other, asked for a interview, did a interview, etc.

Also a semi lot of experts, pundits, rumors, sports media, have been saying, spreading the rumor, word that Vigen did want the WSU job, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

Everyone seemed to be on the Vigen band wagon, maybe Vigen didn't want the job, sounds like they interviewed him. There is a strong possibility that Vigen didn't interview well, maybe that was part of his game plan, he'll have more options in the future if he continues his success at MSU, he will have better options than WSU in another year.

Does not matter if Vigen does not interview well, as Vigen is the better HC, better then Roger's, because

1. More experience, years HC at a better Montana St, then South Dakotah St, with better results, better players, better coach staff.

2. Has better recruits, players, coach staff.

3. Is a better recruiter.

4. Has more CREDIBILITY, REPUTATION(SEE BIGGS POST ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF A BIG TIME NAME)

5. Is closer to WSU then Roger's.

6. Has more west coast ties recruits, recruiting, coach, caches, coaching wise, players, players wise.

7. Has more 4 stars, more ALL Americans, more players in NFL, more drafted into NFL, then Roger's.

8. Is still young enough Has enough energy, etc.

9. Understands WSU's challenges better, and how to deal with them better then Rogers.

10. All the above combined together.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Brand name matters. It matters when you recruit. It matters in your first team meeting.

Imagine sitting in the team meeting at WSU being told Bill Doba, a coach you loved, got fired. And in walks Howling Turd, your new coach. I guarantee most of the team had no idea who he was. You feel betrayed by the WSU admin. They fired your guy and replaced him with who?

Jimmy has had a great 2 years. He may be the guy on the upswing. There is still a roster sitting in the team meeting saying “who?”

WSU does not have such a strong brand in recruting that it can hire a virutal no name nobody and get in front of the kids it needs to win games.

Your point about his pay is valid. But they got what they paid for. A man with no West Coast brand name.

at what dollar amount could WSU afford someone who fits your criteria?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Are we? His resume now includes HC at WSU. Of the 7 members of the new Pac-12 he will be 6th place in compensation. I do not consider that inspiring. We seem to be headed for the same status in the new Pac as WSU enjoyed in the old Pac, which was largely the reason that WSU was relegated.

I think Rogers is fine. He checks some boxes, and doesn't check others. None of the rumored candidates would have checked every box. I will be buying my 25th year of season tickets as soon as I can renew.

Does anyone think that a recruit or their family is making spreadsheets comparing coaching salaries? This whole thing feels like a dick measuring contest that doesn't really matter. I like the idea of paying the guy around $1.5 million with the plan that we can bump him by $1 million per year if he's doing a good job after a couple years.

 

[mikalalas]

Vigen interviewed for Fresno and USU and didn’t get them either. Any coincidence that he doesn’t seem to come out top? I highly doubt a guy who’s making 400k turned 3 jobs that all would have made him 4-5x more wealthy. Maybe he thinks he can wait it out and get a big12 job? But the trend everywhere is coach makes less players get more. Already is starting at the biggest schools. I would have been happy hiring Vigen, but maybe ADs aren’t sold on him using Choates recruits yet.

No Vigen probably didn't turn down job offers in those interviews.

What probably happened is that:

Either he is not a good interviewer(no big deal, as he is still factually a better HC, then Roger's, other HC's for the reasons I have outlined in other post. If I'm interviewing, and the BEST HC has a bad interview, etc, I'm still hiring THAT BEST HC, despite his bad interview)

Or

He asked for too much(probably about 1.83 mil to 2.55 mil, and the Cheapskate AD's turned that down, and walked away.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Vigen did want the Job.

Brand X, The Couch GM TM said, reported that Vigen did want the WSU Job, and that WSU was seriously looking at Vigen, at least until the interview, and that WSU, Vigen approached each other, asked for a interview, did a interview, etc.

Also a semi lot of experts, pundits, rumors, sports media, have been saying, spreading the rumor, word that Vigen did want the WSU job, etc.

As I stated in another post this morning, Brand X and the Couch did not say anything remotely similar to what you have stated 20 times in various posts. And I scoured the internet this morning, and see absolutely nothing that supports your contention that a semi lot of experts, pundits, rumors, sports media, have been saying, spreading the rumor. Please cite and link to these comments by "a semi lot" of experts and sports media" that you refer to?

 

[mikalalas]

Does anyone think that a recruit or their family is making spreadsheets comparing coaching salaries? This whole thing feels like a dick measuring contest that doesn't really matter. I like the idea of paying the guy around $1.5 million with the plan that we can bump him by $1 million per year if he's doing a good job after a couple years.

I like that too, if Roger's was the best they could get.

Problem is that Roger's was NOT the best they could reasonably get, as they could have gotten the better Vigen.

 

[wazzucougs96]

Vigen did want the Job.

Brand X, The Couch GM TM said, reported that Vigen did want the WSU Job, and that WSU was seriously looking at Vigen, at least until the interview, and that WSU, Vigen approached each other, asked for a interview, did a interview, etc.

Also a semi lot of experts, pundits, rumors, sports media, have been saying, spreading the rumor, word that Vigen did want the WSU job, etc.

oh, well, if some random dipshit on youtube says so, then it must be true.

 

[dgibbons]

Vigen interviewed for Fresno and USU and didn’t get them either. Any coincidence that he doesn’t seem to come out top? I highly doubt a guy who’s making 400k turned 3 jobs that all would have made him 4-5x more wealthy. Maybe he thinks he can wait it out and get a big12 job? But the trend everywhere is coach makes less players get more. Already is starting at the biggest schools. I would have been happy hiring Vigen, but maybe ADs aren’t sold on him using Choates recruits yet.

Or the interview was "I'm willing to talk again after the FCS championship game" and the schools didn't want to wait. As you said, he'll be at the top of some lists next year too, and maybe not playing in the championship.

 

[mikalalas]

As I stated in another post this morning, Brand X and the Couch did not say anything remotely similar to what you have stated 20 times in various posts. And I scoured the internet this morning, and see absolutely nothing that supports your contention that a semi lot of experts, pundits, rumors, sports media, have been saying, spreading the rumor. Please cite and link to these comments by "a semi lot" of experts and sports media" that you refer to?

I saw the You Tube Video where The Couch GM TM said, reported that Brand X(Cougfan said that)

Stop being a DUMBASS

 

[dgibbons]

Does anyone think that a recruit or their family is making spreadsheets comparing coaching salaries? This whole thing feels like a dick measuring contest that doesn't really matter. I like the idea of paying the guy around $1.5 million with the plan that we can bump him by $1 million per year if he's doing a good job after a couple years.

I suspect recruits will be able to tell if WSU's assistant coach budget is 6/7, recruiting budget is 6/7, support staff budget is 6/7, etc. AND EDIT TO ADD, as cougarmike said I'm pretty damn sure if WSU is not funding 85 scholarships recruits will be able to tell.

The HC's salary is a decent indicator of investment in the program.

 

[cougarmike]

I am in no way knocking Coach Rogers' hiring. He seems like a bright young prospect who has had great success at South Dakota State. My post was only to show my growing frustration with our leadership (or lack of). Axing scholarships, reducing assistant salaries, and cutting the going rate of our football coach's salary by over 1 million dollars a year. This is a commitment to what? Going down with the ship? OSU and WSU should be the flagship programs in this new downgraded PAC 12. Oregon State seems to holding up their end. WSU not so much. We have the facilities but not the commitment to excel. To me that is inexcusable.

 

[BiggsCoug]

at what dollar amount could WSU afford someone who fits your criteria?

Dunno. I have no idea what the market for pay is. There are not a lot of head jobs open this year. So maybe that plays a role. I have no idea what WSU will and won’t spend.

I do know that it takes what it takes. If WSU needs a coach with a brand name to be successful, they either do it or don’t.

 

[mikalalas]

Or the interview was "I'm willing to talk again after the FCS championship game" and the schools didn't want to wait. As you said, he'll be at the top of some lists next year too, and maybe not playing in the championship.

That's a possibility.

But it's STUPID not wait until after Montana St is done in the play off, as thats not a long wait, and the playoffs will be over extremely soon.

You don't, shouldn't not wait for a HC as AWESOME AS Vigen.

If WSU, Fresno St, Utah St, etc, were not willing to wait until Vigen, Montana St, was done with the playoffs, if that's the reason they did not hire him, then they are FLAT OUT STUPID.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

I saw the You Tube Video where The Couch GM TM said, reported that Brand X(Cougfan said that)

Stop being a DUMBASS

No they didn't say that. I watched the You Tube video.

 

[mikalalas]

No they didn't say that. I watched the You Tube video.

Probably not the same You Tube Video I saw.

I saw what I saw.

Now go FCK OFF.

 

[froropmkr72]

Every coach is a let’s see what happens Coach. I’ll remind you that Brent Venables is making $7M a year…to have the same record Dickert had.

Paying more $$ doesn’t guarantee more wins. It doesn’t work that way.

Not even maybe the greatest DC in recent college football history is a guarantee pick to be a highly successful HC.

 

[PeteTheChop]

I do know that it takes what it takes. If WSU needs a coach with a brand name to be successful, they either do it or don’t.

Wonder if Ann and Schultzie at least kicked the tires on a "celebrity" coach like a Michael Vick or (less controversial) RGIII, looking to capture the media spotlight and fill the NIL coffers

 

[froropmkr72]

Or the interview was "I'm willing to talk again after the FCS championship game" and the schools didn't want to wait. As you said, he'll be at the top of some lists next year too, and maybe not playing in the championship.

No one brought up the obvious point. She might of felt pressured to make an immediate hire and he didn't want to make a commitment yet.