Oregon state hired many's intitial choice to replace Wulff

[Cougsocal]

Remember, before Leach was hired, Anderson's name was bantered around this board as a potential Wulff replacement. He wasn't a real sexy prospected back then, with only one winning season at USU, but he had shined the turd of all turds. In the 20 years before he arrived, USU had only 2 winning seasons since 1988.

He is the the prototypical coach for the WSU and Oregon State's of this world, i.e. a guy who has demonstrated the ability to win with less, like Price at Weber and Erickson at Idaho, but on a larger scale.

The good news is it will take him some time at Oregon State. Riley left the cupboard bare, particularly on defense. But let's not kid ourselves, he is a very real threat to WSU and Leach. We have two years to leap frog Oregon State in terms of signing the top recruits both are eyeing, and in the win column. If we let this guy get a foothold, and they are winning in year 3, we will be in a world of hurt.

 

[BiggsCoug]

World of hurt? Disagree. Gary Anderson doesn't make my knees weak. Good coach? Sure. As good as you make him out to be? Nope. 59-0 tells me otherwise.

OSU may have just screwed themselves royally. Other teams were building, they did nothing. Now WSU is recruiting to finished facilities, OSU is just now announcing what they're going to do. Too little, too late.

If you're a recruit what are you going to what could be or what is? WSU, for the first time in what could be ever, is what is. Not what could be, in terms of facilities.

 

[Glad Cougar]

I wouldn't necessarily sell OSU short in the talent department. They do lose a lot through graduation, especially on defense, but there's a lot more talent on that roster than what Leach inherited from Wulff. I wouldn't be surprised to see Andersen produce a team that will get in a lower-tier bowl, and a team that will perhaps pull off a big upset or two.

Your point is well taken, however. WSU must take advantage of any opportunity to gain on another PNW program or surpass it.

Glad Cougar

 

[longtimecoug]

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Remember, before Leach was hired, Anderson's name was bantered around this board as a potential Wulff replacement. He wasn't a real sexy prospected back then, with only one winning season at USU, but he had shined the turd of all turds. In the 20 years before he arrived, USU had only 2 winning seasons since 1988.

He is the the prototypical coach for the WSU and Oregon State's of this world, i.e. a guy who has demonstrated the ability to win with less, like Price at Weber and Erickson at Idaho, but on a larger scale.

The good news is it will take him some time at Oregon State. Riley left the cupboard bare, particularly on defense. But let's not kid ourselves, he is a very real threat to WSU and Leach. We have two years to leap frog Oregon State in terms of signing the top recruits both are eyeing, and in the win column. If we let this guy get a foothold, and they are winning in year 3, we will be in a world of hurt.


I wish people would stop selling WSU short, why would we be in a world of hurt? this line of thinking is absurd

 

[wulffui]

Originally posted by longtimecoug:
why would we be in a world of hurt?

Because someone saw us go over the line?

 

[Cougsocal]

Originally posted by longtimecoug:

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Remember, before Leach was hired, Anderson's name was bantered around this board as a potential Wulff replacement. He wasn't a real sexy prospected back then, with only one winning season at USU, but he had shined the turd of all turds. In the 20 years before he arrived, USU had only 2 winning seasons since 1988.

He is the the prototypical coach for the WSU and Oregon State's of this world, i.e. a guy who has demonstrated the ability to win with less, like Price at Weber and Erickson at Idaho, but on a larger scale.

The good news is it will take him some time at Oregon State. Riley left the cupboard bare, particularly on defense. But let's not kid ourselves, he is a very real threat to WSU and Leach. We have two years to leap frog Oregon State in terms of signing the top recruits both are eyeing, and in the win column. If we let this guy get a foothold, and they are winning in year 3, we will be in a world of hurt.




I wish people would stop selling WSU short, why would we be in a world of hurt? this line of thinking is absurd

Let me ask you, if we don't kick Oregon State while their down and steal their recruiting advantage back, letting them have a shot a 9-10 win team in 3 years, where in the hell do our wins and recruiting upgrades come from?

Like it or not, for many years years we owned Oregon State on the field and in the recruiting trenches. We lost that and it showed in our lack of winning seasons and bowl play. In the last few years, for whatever reason, Riley slipped a little, letting us get some of that back. Their will be some turmoil on the recruiting front with the change over, what with a new coaching staff and a predictable down year, next season. We need to take full advantage of that, put the boot to Oregon State's throat, and leap frog them from habitual cellar dweller (us) to habitual bowl contender (them). If we let Anderson get a footing, and do what he did at a moribund USU, we will have lost a great opportunity.

Am I selling WSU short? No more than a 15 - 62 record against FBS competition over the last 7 year warrants. You, my friend, need to stop being a Pollyanna and come to grips with the fact that we haven't had a winning season since my high school senior was in the first grade. If we don't take full advantage of this opportunity, it could be a long time before we dig ourselves out of the hole we find ourselve in.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Gary Anderson accomplished a lot at USU, but he didn't do it by himself. At Wisconsin he had good and bad moments; I guess the best you could say is that he was inconsistent. Was it the differences in staff? Was Anderson somehow less productive on a bigger stage? Was his personal life unhappy in Wisconsin? Who knows….but as Biggs notes, 59-0 says that he didn't finish on a good, or even a so-so, coaching note. I'm sure he would agree with that.

OSU over the past several years has been stuck in neutral while WSU and others have been doing things from a facilities standpoint. That has helped them get the red ink paid down a little, but it has also hurt them relative to several other PAC teams. Personally, I think that facilities help a lot with specific recruits. Facilities don't guarantee you a great team all by themselves, but they are definitely an asset when trying to court a 17 year old kid. OSU is now arguably in last place for facilities in the PAC, and it isn't like there are plans to break ground on anything, or do any significant remodeling, in the coming year.

I think it is an exaggeration to say that OSU's cupboard is bare, but there certainly are not a lot of extra cups and saucers rattling around in that cupboard. There are enough athletes to field a starting team next year, but some will be pretty green. And the depth won't permit many injuries. It will be interesting to see how many JC kids Anderson signs, as well as how many of Riley's OSU commits he manages to keep.

I'm also interested to know how many of Riley's staff will go to Nebraska. The fact that he told almost none of them personally that he took the Nebraska job (leaving them to hear about it from recruits and on twitter) suggests that either he has them all in his back pocket and he didn't think it was necessary to clue them in, or the exact opposite: he didn't need to tell them, because he doesn't plan to bring them. The third possibility is that he is simply too dumb to handle this kind of situation properly. I find that hard to believe, but I guess you can never say never.

All in all, let's see who Anderson ends up with for staff (as well as who goes with Riley to Nebraska), and see how the signing period finishes up. I suspect that, with average injuries, OSU will be about a 4-5 win team next year. If the injury fairy smiles on them, they might make a bowl game, but the team next year will be thin. Anything like this year's injury bug at OSU and WSU would sink their season.

For the long term, we'll have to see how he recruits. At USU he was the best in the West at getting the academic bubble kids who wouldn't qualify for the PAC. That strategy didn't help him at Wisconsin, and it won't work at OSU, so let's see if he is a one trick pony. The jury is out as to whether he can recruit well at the power 5 level.

 

[chinookpirate]

if facilities matter, it should show in this recruiting class, Leach's 4th. OSU has launched a $45mm upgrade to it's football ops building. The facilities advantage WSU enjoys over he rest of the PAC-12, isn't going to be there forever.

We need to begin recruiting the kids that go to Boise State and Oregon State we used to win recruiting battles for,

Originally posted by cr8zyncalif:
Gary Anderson accomplished a lot at USU, but he didn't do it by himself. At Wisconsin he had good and bad moments; I guess the best you could say is that he was inconsistent. Was it the differences in staff? Was Anderson somehow less productive on a bigger stage? Was his personal life unhappy in Wisconsin? Who knows….but as Biggs notes, 59-0 says that he didn't finish on a good, or even a so-so, coaching note. I'm sure he would agree with that.

OSU over the past several years has been stuck in neutral while WSU and others have been doing things from a facilities standpoint. That has helped them get the red ink paid down a little, but it has also hurt them relative to several other PAC teams. Personally, I think that facilities help a lot with specific recruits. Facilities don't guarantee you a great team all by themselves, but they are definitely an asset when trying to court a 17 year old kid. OSU is now arguably in last place for facilities in the PAC, and it isn't like there are plans to break ground on anything, or do any significant remodeling, in the coming year.

I think it is an exaggeration to say that OSU's cupboard is bare, but there certainly are not a lot of extra cups and saucers rattling around in that cupboard. There are enough athletes to field a starting team next year, but some will be pretty green. And the depth won't permit many injuries. It will be interesting to see how many JC kids Anderson signs, as well as how many of Riley's OSU commits he manages to keep.

I'm also interested to know how many of Riley's staff will go to Nebraska. The fact that he told almost none of them personally that he took the Nebraska job (leaving them to hear about it from recruits and on twitter) suggests that either he has them all in his back pocket and he didn't think it was necessary to clue them in, or the exact opposite: he didn't need to tell them, because he doesn't plan to bring them. The third possibility is that he is simply too dumb to handle this kind of situation properly. I find that hard to believe, but I guess you can never say never.

All in all, let's see who Anderson ends up with for staff (as well as who goes with Riley to Nebraska), and see how the signing period finishes up. I suspect that, with average injuries, OSU will be about a 4-5 win team next year. If the injury fairy smiles on them, they might make a bowl game, but the team next year will be thin. Anything like this year's injury bug at OSU and WSU would sink their season.

For the long term, we'll have to see how he recruits. At USU he was the best in the West at getting the academic bubble kids who wouldn't qualify for the PAC. That strategy didn't help him at Wisconsin, and it won't work at OSU, so let's see if he is a one trick pony. The jury is out as to whether he can recruit well at the power 5 level.

if we're going to generate any success on the field.

 

[longtimecoug]

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Originally posted by longtimecoug:

Originally posted by Cougsocal:

Remember, before Leach was hired, Anderson's name was bantered around this board as a potential Wulff replacement. He wasn't a real sexy prospected back then, with only one winning season at USU, but he had shined the turd of all turds. In the 20 years before he arrived, USU had only 2 winning seasons since 1988.

He is the the prototypical coach for the WSU and Oregon State's of this world, i.e. a guy who has demonstrated the ability to win with less, like Price at Weber and Erickson at Idaho, but on a larger scale.

The good news is it will take him some time at Oregon State. Riley left the cupboard bare, particularly on defense. But let's not kid ourselves, he is a very real threat to WSU and Leach. We have two years to leap frog Oregon State in terms of signing the top recruits both are eyeing, and in the win column. If we let this guy get a foothold, and they are winning in year 3, we will be in a world of hurt.




I wish people would stop selling WSU short, why would we be in a world of hurt? this line of thinking is absurd

Let me ask you, if we don't kick Oregon State while their down and steal their recruiting advantage back, letting them have a shot a 9-10 win team in 3 years, where in the hell do our wins and recruiting upgrades come from?

Like it or not, for many years years we owned Oregon State on the field and in the recruiting trenches. We lost that and it showed in our lack of winning seasons and bowl play. In the last few years, for whatever reason, Riley slipped a little, letting us get some of that back. Their will be some turmoil on the recruiting front with the change over, what with a new coaching staff and a predictable down year, next season. We need to take full advantage of that, put the boot to Oregon State's throat, and leap frog them from habitual cellar dweller (us) to habitual bowl contender (them). If we let Anderson get a footing, and do what he did at a moribund USU, we will have lost a great opportunity.

Am I selling WSU short? No more than a 15 - 62 record against FBS competition over the last 7 year warrants. You, my friend, need to stop being a Pollyanna and come to grips with the fact that we haven't had a winning season since my high school senior was in the first grade. If we don't take full advantage of this opportunity, it could be a long time before we dig ourselves out of the hole we find ourselve in.

out recruiting the beavers is great, but that isn't going to build up our team. Leach is recruiting players all over the country because of the success that he has had. take a look at the beaver recruits the past few years, many -players with big sky etc... offers it looks very wulffian. If Anderson can change that they will improve, if he can't things won't change much

This post was edited on 12/12 9:41 AM by longtimecoug

 

[Coug95man2]

I think everyones point though LTC, is your point. OSU is down. We need to KEEP them down and take advantage of their downslump. Because if they start ramping up we could easily be in trouble. Why do I/we say that? First, I'd wager a HC from Wisconsin has a few national inroads he could take advantage of but we ALL know Cali is the trough all PAC schools go to, in order to get the bulk of the recruits. Wanna ignore that? Then you get Riley'esque recruiting classes and those that are similar to what we've had in the past.

We are digging out of that "challenge" but it takes time… as you can tell by OUR recruiting efforts over the past 3 or 4 years. We are hands and feet above what we USED to be, but we still would like better… the hole we dug. So OSU is in a similar situation.

All everyone is saying is, we need to KEEP them there because if Anderson does what he SHOULD do, he'll be recruiting Cali… that means we'll be battling them for recruits. If we have an incredible season, we are obviously building a winning, hard-nosed culture in combination with our facilities, we will win our "fair share" of recruiting battles because at least we're winning! If we suck, they suck but their facilities are just 5 or 6 years NEWER, the scale could tip in OSU's favor. Thus… that's bad.

 

[chinookpirate]

According to ESPN, OSU has 41 players from California currently on the roster while WSU has 49.

According to Rivals, Mike Riley has out recruited Mike Leach in each of the past 3 consecutive seasons.

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
I think everyones point though LTC, is your point. OSU is down. We need to KEEP them down and take advantage of their downslump. Because if they start ramping up we could easily be in trouble. Why do I/we say that? First, I'd wager a HC from Wisconsin has a few national inroads he could take advantage of but we ALL know Cali is the trough all PAC schools go to, in order to get the bulk of the recruits. Wanna ignore that? Then you get Riley'esque recruiting classes and those that are similar to what we've had in the past.

We are digging out of that "challenge" but it takes time… as you can tell by OUR recruiting efforts over the past 3 or 4 years. We are hands and feet above what we USED to be, but we still would like better… the hole we dug. So OSU is in a similar situation.

All everyone is saying is, we need to KEEP them there because if Anderson does what he SHOULD do, he'll be recruiting Cali… that means we'll be battling them for recruits. If we have an incredible season, we are obviously building a winning, hard-nosed culture in combination with our facilities, we will win our "fair share" of recruiting battles because at least we're winning! If we suck, they suck but their facilities are just 5 or 6 years NEWER, the scale could tip in OSU's favor. Thus… that's bad.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Originally posted by cr8zyncalif:


I'm also interested to know how many of Riley's staff will go to Nebraska. The fact that he told almost none of them personally that he took the Nebraska job (leaving them to hear about it from recruits and on twitter) suggests that either he has them all in his back pocket and he didn't think it was necessary to clue them in, or the exact opposite: he didn't need to tell them, because he doesn't plan to bring them. The third possibility is that he is simply too dumb to handle this kind of situation properly. I find that hard to believe, but I guess you can never say never.

FYI...Riley is taking 4 assistants with him including DC Mark Banker and LB coach Trent Bray.

Glad Cougar

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Thanks, Glad. I didn't know how that would shake out.

I suppose some of the staff did not want to move to Nebraska, though college coaches are pretty mercenary at that level...and they will probably all have to move if they want a job, unless Anderson is unusual and actually keeps some of the previous staff. That would be a surprise, but it isn't impossible. More likely, these were the only guys that Riley really wanted. Says a lot about what is left.