OT: Brady is being hung out to dry by his coach....
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Pats are just trying to get out in front of the story, wait until Brady speaks, I doubt his coach will throw him under the bus 10 days before the Super Bowl. I would imagine they will try to blame it on some equipment manager as the "lone culprit".
Pats are just trying to get out in front of the story, wait until Brady speaks, I doubt his coach will throw him under the bus 10 days before the Super Bowl. I would imagine they will try to blame it on some equipment manager as the "lone culprit".
Re: I did see this guy on the NE sidelines.
In the end the "device" or pressure gauge as we know, used by the equipment person, it will be found to be defective by 2 about psi, The Patriots are better at handling scandals than most politicians. I personally think this whole thing is over blown and don't see the "low balls" as having much of an impact on the outcome of games. However NE seems to be always stepping on the rules for personal gain, that's the real issue.
In the end the "device" or pressure gauge as we know, used by the equipment person, it will be found to be defective by 2 about psi, The Patriots are better at handling scandals than most politicians. I personally think this whole thing is over blown and don't see the "low balls" as having much of an impact on the outcome of games. However NE seems to be always stepping on the rules for personal gain, that's the real issue.
Re: I did see this guy on the NE sidelines.
As they say, the coverup is often worse then the crime. Bill and Tom..."we know nothing"
The equipment guys who was instructed, probably by the QB coach, are going to be silent. Paid silence.
No one speaks up to the NFL, means no evidence of tampering.
Must have been an act of "god."
As they say, the coverup is often worse then the crime. Bill and Tom..."we know nothing"
The equipment guys who was instructed, probably by the QB coach, are going to be silent. Paid silence.
No one speaks up to the NFL, means no evidence of tampering.
Must have been an act of "god."
Re: I did see this guy on the NE sidelines.
The thing is it may have a little. What if it is 3-4%? But, what what else is there that we do not know about? We all know that the Patriots and Belicheck has been caught cheating with Spygate. What the Patriots are doing one or two other things that give them 2-3% advantage? Singularly, it may not be much. But, add them together and in a close game, yes it could be the difference between winning and losing.
That was the most interesting press conference I've seen in a long time. There's no doubt Tom Brady knew those footballs were deflated to his liking. He went on and on about how he knows exactly how he likes his footballs, blah, blah, blah.
The dude's a liar, their coach is a scumbag and Kam Chancellor is rip Brady's pretty head off in 10 days.
I listened to Brock Huard on the radio this morning. His brother Damon played for Belicheck in NE. Brock says that Belicheck is maniacal in the level of detail of everything football related. He expects players to know what not only football related things regarding opposing players, but where they come from, what college they attended, when the opponent graduated, etc.
Both Brady and Belicheck knew. They are lying. They know that any punishment will not equal the reward they will get from cheating.
It's always interesting to see how fans view things though their own lens.
The Seahawks, in the eyes of those outside the PNW, are one of the dirtiest franchises out there. Smiling Pete Carroll left USC when he sniffed the probation scandal. The Hawks have an "unwritten" team mandated PED policy. Lynch Beast is perhaps the biggest thug in the NFL right now; a powder keg ready to explode.
The Pats also will do anything they can to gain an advantage. Did Brady tell someone to deflate the balls? Almost certainly. Have other QB's admitted doing the same? Yes. Did they videotape other teams practices? Yes.
Seahawk fans are akin to "new money." The Kool-Aid is flowing in Seattle, as images of Russell Wilson faith healing children, and Pete Carroll uniting the city dance in everyone's mind. Our team is classier than your team.
Morality and professional sports don't mix.
The Seahawks, in the eyes of those outside the PNW, are one of the dirtiest franchises out there. Smiling Pete Carroll left USC when he sniffed the probation scandal. The Hawks have an "unwritten" team mandated PED policy. Lynch Beast is perhaps the biggest thug in the NFL right now; a powder keg ready to explode.
The Pats also will do anything they can to gain an advantage. Did Brady tell someone to deflate the balls? Almost certainly. Have other QB's admitted doing the same? Yes. Did they videotape other teams practices? Yes.
Seahawk fans are akin to "new money." The Kool-Aid is flowing in Seattle, as images of Russell Wilson faith healing children, and Pete Carroll uniting the city dance in everyone's mind. Our team is classier than your team.
Morality and professional sports don't mix.
CP - you can allege Seattle is dirty, but the fact remains, the Pats now have been actually CAUGHT twice with breaking the rules.
Pete Carroll is doing EXACTLY what he did at USC. Finding talent and getting the most out of them. Was Pete aware his athletes were getting special benefits at SC? Probably. His involvement couldn't be proved. He left because he knew his competitive edge with scholarships, etc., was going away. Why stay?
He seems like a guy that will say here's the NCAA's rule and a you must follow them, but I will always be here for you. It was also rumored guys like Cushing, etc., were doing some kind of enhancements. I'm sure Pete's attitude was, do what you want, but don't get caught.
Pete Carroll is doing EXACTLY what he did at USC. Finding talent and getting the most out of them. Was Pete aware his athletes were getting special benefits at SC? Probably. His involvement couldn't be proved. He left because he knew his competitive edge with scholarships, etc., was going away. Why stay?
He seems like a guy that will say here's the NCAA's rule and a you must follow them, but I will always be here for you. It was also rumored guys like Cushing, etc., were doing some kind of enhancements. I'm sure Pete's attitude was, do what you want, but don't get caught.
My point is that until the league does more than strip teams of a mid round draft pick or some monetary fine; even if it's several hundred thousand dollars, the risk for breaking the rules is worthwhile to teams in a win at all costs league.
I remember several years ago when the Bronco's acknowledged manipulating (cheating) the salary cap to allow them to sign both John Elway and Terrel Davis. They won 2 Super Bowls because of it, and their $ 1 million fine and a draft pick sanctioned after the fact was money well spent.
The Chargers and Raiders were repeatedly "fined" for putting stickum on their sideline towels in the 70's and 80's. The result? Nothing. Mike Tomlin TRIED to take an opposing player out who was running down the sidelines last year. His fine? $100,000. PED users, many of whom have come forward stating that the team made it clear....take them or your're gone, get slapped with a minor suspension, and the teams go unpunished.
In the aftermath of "deflategate," QBs have come forward admitting that they did it all the time. Brad Johnson came out and said this week that he paid $7500 to have the game balls altered before the Super Bowl. Good Lord, talk about inflated balls. He just hung the entire league out with that comment.
This is a polarizing topic now because the Hawks are playing the team accused of cheating. Last year, the PED scandal was all about the Seahawks. This year, it's about the Pats. If the league cared about adherence to the rules, the penalties would be such that you wouldn't dare break them. Unfortunately, there's very little to be lost for teams and players.
Unless there's video, audio, email, or text of Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, or some other Pats executive telling someone to do this, it's hearsay. They could, and probably will, counterclaim that someone was out to get them. That the Ravens or Colts paid someone to deflate their game balls and blame it on them.
I remember several years ago when the Bronco's acknowledged manipulating (cheating) the salary cap to allow them to sign both John Elway and Terrel Davis. They won 2 Super Bowls because of it, and their $ 1 million fine and a draft pick sanctioned after the fact was money well spent.
The Chargers and Raiders were repeatedly "fined" for putting stickum on their sideline towels in the 70's and 80's. The result? Nothing. Mike Tomlin TRIED to take an opposing player out who was running down the sidelines last year. His fine? $100,000. PED users, many of whom have come forward stating that the team made it clear....take them or your're gone, get slapped with a minor suspension, and the teams go unpunished.
In the aftermath of "deflategate," QBs have come forward admitting that they did it all the time. Brad Johnson came out and said this week that he paid $7500 to have the game balls altered before the Super Bowl. Good Lord, talk about inflated balls. He just hung the entire league out with that comment.
This is a polarizing topic now because the Hawks are playing the team accused of cheating. Last year, the PED scandal was all about the Seahawks. This year, it's about the Pats. If the league cared about adherence to the rules, the penalties would be such that you wouldn't dare break them. Unfortunately, there's very little to be lost for teams and players.
Unless there's video, audio, email, or text of Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, or some other Pats executive telling someone to do this, it's hearsay. They could, and probably will, counterclaim that someone was out to get them. That the Ravens or Colts paid someone to deflate their game balls and blame it on them.
CP - I agree. It will all be hearsay. Without hard evidence, or witnesses, nothing is going to happen. The Pats know this. Their employees, who want jobs, know this. And they aren't breaking actual laws, so the recourse is minimal.
It will just change the policy moving forward. The NFL will handle the balls.
It will just change the policy moving forward. The NFL will handle the balls.
I love the Hawks, have for over 30 years, but what you have to realize is that outside of the Northwest most people dislike to hate Seattle. The only plus is I think New England is hated by more people, this might actually be one of the most watched Super Bowls, simply because everyone will have a team to hate.
If you travel around the country and getting into football talk, the number one reason to dislike Seattle is usually Pete Carrol, "Cheater left USC in a mess, and ran off to Seattle" Half his team is on drugs the other half is out of control" " Coached NE for 3 years and ran them into the ground" "Coach the Jets for one year and he was terrible" " Quit smiling, quit pacing, and get rid of the gum"
After Pete, Sherman usually is the next to draw attention, "loud mouth, trash talker, always telling everyone he's the best in the league"... who does he think he is?
Lynch, "Thug, gross, grabs his crotch, gives the finger, won't talk to the media, thinks he is better than them"
"Your recievers suck the only reason you win is because of that dirty defense" ..." Baldwin is a whiner, shut up with this respect crap"
Wilson, most people like him, but many thank he is just too nice
I could go on, but from the outside looking in there are many reasons nationwide why people don't like Seattle.
If you travel around the country and getting into football talk, the number one reason to dislike Seattle is usually Pete Carrol, "Cheater left USC in a mess, and ran off to Seattle" Half his team is on drugs the other half is out of control" " Coached NE for 3 years and ran them into the ground" "Coach the Jets for one year and he was terrible" " Quit smiling, quit pacing, and get rid of the gum"
After Pete, Sherman usually is the next to draw attention, "loud mouth, trash talker, always telling everyone he's the best in the league"... who does he think he is?
Lynch, "Thug, gross, grabs his crotch, gives the finger, won't talk to the media, thinks he is better than them"
"Your recievers suck the only reason you win is because of that dirty defense" ..." Baldwin is a whiner, shut up with this respect crap"
Wilson, most people like him, but many thank he is just too nice
I could go on, but from the outside looking in there are many reasons nationwide why people don't like Seattle.
Re: OT: Lynch "biggest thug in NFL"??
When there are NFL guys raping and beating up women you are calling Lynch the "biggest thug in the NFL" because he grabs his crotch when he scores a TD, wants to wear gold shoes, and won't talk to reporters?
He's a different kind of "cat'. Definitely wouldn't win any "Miss Congeniality" awards at the pageant.
I remember he had some sort of legal troubles back in Buffalo (?).
But I'd hardly call his behavior since he came to Seattle "a powder keg waiting to explode". Pure hyperbole.
When there are NFL guys raping and beating up women you are calling Lynch the "biggest thug in the NFL" because he grabs his crotch when he scores a TD, wants to wear gold shoes, and won't talk to reporters?
He's a different kind of "cat'. Definitely wouldn't win any "Miss Congeniality" awards at the pageant.
I remember he had some sort of legal troubles back in Buffalo (?).
But I'd hardly call his behavior since he came to Seattle "a powder keg waiting to explode". Pure hyperbole.
I don't think the Seahawks are more pure than anyone else in the NFL.
I will say that the Seattle media seems extraordinarily supportive of the Seahawks. In addition to being the greatest football players the world has ever known, coached by the best coaches of all time, you constantly hear about what great people they are. Every parent on the planet wishes that Russell Wilson would marry their daughter, cause he's single now you know. The urinals in the locker room are the greatest urinals ever made, the SeaGals are chaste, and sea gulls that poop on the field do so out of love and admiration for Field Turf.
Exactly. Seahawk fans are akin to the label "new money." Everything is awesome!!! Everything is cool when you're part of our team!!
Heck, Russell Wilson even convinced us that God was on our side last week. Not sure what the people of Wiscon-SIN did to anger the good Lord, but it must have been pretty bad.
The good news though, is that nobody over here gives a damn about the UW anymore. Every fat, suburban housewife in Western WA squeezes into their "#12 Fan" jersey every weekend.
Re: OT: Lynch "biggest thug in NFL"??
I am not calling Lynch anything, and I realize there are much bigger problems than Marshawn I am just saying that is the perception outside of Seattle, I personally find the term "thug" to be racist, and don't use it myself.
My comments in quotes are just things I hear about the Hawks as I travel, I defend them at all times, but people develop their own thoughts and opinons based upon what they sea and hear in the media, just like anything else.
I am not calling Lynch anything, and I realize there are much bigger problems than Marshawn I am just saying that is the perception outside of Seattle, I personally find the term "thug" to be racist, and don't use it myself.
My comments in quotes are just things I hear about the Hawks as I travel, I defend them at all times, but people develop their own thoughts and opinons based upon what they sea and hear in the media, just like anything else.
Was it any different with Cougar fans when we were in the middle of 10-10-10? Or with Oregon? With USC when they were winning NC's? Everyone likes to be associated with winners. When Boston was winning World Series, Red Sox Nation would invade Safeco Field. Before then, not so much. When the Blue Jays were the Champs, the Kingdome would rock with Canadians. Now, not so much. Why people are complaining about this is dumb.Originally posted by CougPatrol:
Exactly. Seahawk fans are akin to the label "new money." Everything is awesome!!! Everything is cool when you're part of our team!!
Heck, Russell Wilson even convinced us that God was on our side last week. Not sure what the people of Wiscon-SIN did to anger the good Lord, but it must have been pretty bad.
The good news though, is that nobody over here gives a damn about the UW anymore. Every fat, suburban housewife in Western WA squeezes into their "#12 Fan" jersey every weekend.
I would say Blue Jay fans still take over SafeCo, but your point is valid. Winning teams attract bandwagon fans and if the Hawks start losing, they'll lose their fans. You think Tampa Bay has as many fans as they did when Warren Sapp played?Originally posted by Coug1990:
Was it any different with Cougar fans when we were in the middle of 10-10-10? Or with Oregon? With USC when they were winning NC's? Everyone likes to be associated with winners. When Boston was winning World Series, Red Sox Nation would invade Safeco Field. Before then, not so much. When the Blue Jays were the Champs, the Kingdome would rock with Canadians. Now, not so much. Why people are complaining about this is dumb.Originally posted by CougPatrol:
Exactly. Seahawk fans are akin to the label "new money." Everything is awesome!!! Everything is cool when you're part of our team!!
Heck, Russell Wilson even convinced us that God was on our side last week. Not sure what the people of Wiscon-SIN did to anger the good Lord, but it must have been pretty bad.
The good news though, is that nobody over here gives a damn about the UW anymore. Every fat, suburban housewife in Western WA squeezes into their "#12 Fan" jersey every weekend.
My point was the media. It's more nauseating than the Spokane media fawning over GU basketball (EDIT TO ADD- almost as bad as the Spokane media fawning over GU basketball).Originally posted by Coug1990:
Was it any different with Cougar fans when we were in the middle of 10-10-10? Or with Oregon? With USC when they were winning NC's? Everyone likes to be associated with winners. When Boston was winning World Series, Red Sox Nation would invade Safeco Field. Before then, not so much. When the Blue Jays were the Champs, the Kingdome would rock with Canadians. Now, not so much. Why people are complaining about this is dumb.Originally posted by CougPatrol:
Exactly. Seahawk fans are akin to the label "new money." Everything is awesome!!! Everything is cool when you're part of our team!!
Heck, Russell Wilson even convinced us that God was on our side last week. Not sure what the people of Wiscon-SIN did to anger the good Lord, but it must have been pretty bad.
The good news though, is that nobody over here gives a damn about the UW anymore. Every fat, suburban housewife in Western WA squeezes into their "#12 Fan" jersey every weekend.
This post was edited on 1/22 4:50 PM by dgibbons
The only lovable pro teams are the lovable losers.
Teams that win are hated everywhere outside their geographic limits.
Add in Carroll and his "cheat until you get caught" mentality, and it becomes pretty emotional outside the PNW.
The irony in having the OTHER team being considered cheaters is huge. Because Belichick is probably the least liked coach in the NFL and because he will cheat even AFTER he is caught.
Teams that win are hated everywhere outside their geographic limits.
Add in Carroll and his "cheat until you get caught" mentality, and it becomes pretty emotional outside the PNW.
The irony in having the OTHER team being considered cheaters is huge. Because Belichick is probably the least liked coach in the NFL and because he will cheat even AFTER he is caught.
Re: I did see this guy on the NE sidelines.
This right here - the difference between the best team and the worst team in the NFL is paper thin on any given Sunday...more so probably than any other sports league. Even the narrowest advantages can make a big difference. I don't think Indianapolis wins that game if both of their game balls are of the same PSI last week, but the Pats sure as hell didn't know that before the game. At some point the league needs to make an example of them or it encourages cheating by everyone because the reward FAR outweighs the risk. As with the other negative stuff the league dealt with this year, the integrity of the game is in question...I'm sure Goodell will mess this one up too.
The thing is it may have a little. What if it is 3-4%? But, what what else is there that we do not know about? We all know that the Patriots and Belicheck has been caught cheating with Spygate. What the Patriots are doing one or two other things that give them 2-3% advantage? Singularly, it may not be much. But, add them together and in a close game, yes it could be the difference between winning and losing.
This right here - the difference between the best team and the worst team in the NFL is paper thin on any given Sunday...more so probably than any other sports league. Even the narrowest advantages can make a big difference. I don't think Indianapolis wins that game if both of their game balls are of the same PSI last week, but the Pats sure as hell didn't know that before the game. At some point the league needs to make an example of them or it encourages cheating by everyone because the reward FAR outweighs the risk. As with the other negative stuff the league dealt with this year, the integrity of the game is in question...I'm sure Goodell will mess this one up too.
The thing is it may have a little. What if it is 3-4%? But, what what else is there that we do not know about? We all know that the Patriots and Belicheck has been caught cheating with Spygate. What the Patriots are doing one or two other things that give them 2-3% advantage? Singularly, it may not be much. But, add them together and in a close game, yes it could be the difference between winning and losing.
I just saw Russel Wilson levitating on my way home tonight...so there's that 
Totally agree with you though. They are exactly like the Oregon fans.
My beef with bandwagon fans are they are usually the ones engaging in excessive jackassery.
Totally agree with you though. They are exactly like the Oregon fans.
My beef with bandwagon fans are they are usually the ones engaging in excessive jackassery.
Another good point regarding BSU. Teams that win will always have more fans that follow them. I know, a novel idea. More fans means that you will have more good people following the team, but also more jerks as well. We always hear about the jerks because they are the loudest.
This is just a story abou Haters going to Hate.
That's the way it's been for the 35+ plus years I've been following WSU. Our attendance spikes during the crazy good years like 1997, but then it levels out. Even during our run from 2001-2003, it's as though our fan base lost momentum. We weren't selling out all of our home games.
Nobody wants low attendance, but since the mid-1980's, we draw between 25K - 35K for our Pullman games. The concern again is that if we string together some 7-9 win seasons, I predict that attendance, after an initial spike, will revert back to 30K for many of the games. That's just how our fans operate.
I get where you are coming from CP, but can I submit this? … We've never had an administration that has used the PR machine like the admin that WSU has now. Floyd, Moos, certainly CML all understand exposure. Some might argue that CML doesn't know PR, but personally, I think he's that crazy smart. His "quirkiness" is not only known but it's renowned. The thought that a coach walking through a garb field to work, while talking to a national outlet is amazing to a vast majority of the world. He puts himself out there to media in such a way, it's incredible. You talk to players, even those that don't like him, and they all say he's crazy smart...
So I'd submit, while UW or OU were working the PR machine in the past, we THOUGHT we were. But we weren't. Never forget the idea of putting a big banner on a silo for Gesser. Not only novel but it was all we could do! That was one of the good jobs from the day's gone by. Beyond that, we've sucked at the PR dept.
We are now putting banners in Spokane to thank our QB, after an injury, for his service. NEVER would have happened at any point in our history.
So in all of that light, I think the PR machine will churn and fill the stadium. We've had more sell-outs over the past 2 or 3 years than I can remember… While "selling out" isn't my concern (financially), the next step concern is filling those seats with butts that have been purchased annually. I completely shook my head game after game that was "sold out" where the South Side stands had massive holes in it.
BUT, they were purchased so we shouldn't be concerned…
This post was edited on 1/23 9:07 AM by Coug95man2
So I'd submit, while UW or OU were working the PR machine in the past, we THOUGHT we were. But we weren't. Never forget the idea of putting a big banner on a silo for Gesser. Not only novel but it was all we could do! That was one of the good jobs from the day's gone by. Beyond that, we've sucked at the PR dept.
We are now putting banners in Spokane to thank our QB, after an injury, for his service. NEVER would have happened at any point in our history.
So in all of that light, I think the PR machine will churn and fill the stadium. We've had more sell-outs over the past 2 or 3 years than I can remember… While "selling out" isn't my concern (financially), the next step concern is filling those seats with butts that have been purchased annually. I completely shook my head game after game that was "sold out" where the South Side stands had massive holes in it.
BUT, they were purchased so we shouldn't be concerned…
This post was edited on 1/23 9:07 AM by Coug95man2
My short response is that I agree with your logic, and I share your optimism to a point, but until the tree bears fruit.....
I've always doubted WSU's ability to sell out 6 Pullman home games/year. I fear that no amount of winning is going to mitigate the historical attendance road blocks.
back to back Pullman home gamesLabor Day weekend gamesNovember non-Apple Cup gamesyears where we have 7 Pullman home games is more than we can support
That is true. But, it is true for 99% of any sport and fans whether it is high school football, college volleyball, pro basketball, etc. People like winners. That is not a bad thing, especially in pro sports. If fans continued to show up even if the team loses, the owner is still making money. What incentive does do they have to invest in the team to make a winner?
If Coach Leach does begin to win consistently and every game is sold out with a waiting list because new fans are coming to the game, good. I am not sure why we should call the bandwagon fans. I would rather call them Cougar fans or with the Seattle fanbase, Seahawk fans. It is like people want credit for being a fan and don't want anybody else.
Re: I did see this guy on the NE sidelines.
Presumably, the Colts' balls were also checked at the same time, likely with the same equipment. If they were properly inflated and stayed that way, then it's obvious that someone in the Patriots organization monkeyed with their own balls.
Yes, after re-reading that last sentence, I chuckled a bit too.
Irrelevant. The balls were checked by the league before the game and found to be OK. They shouldn't have been touched by the Patriots equipment staff after that.
Presumably, the Colts' balls were also checked at the same time, likely with the same equipment. If they were properly inflated and stayed that way, then it's obvious that someone in the Patriots organization monkeyed with their own balls.
Yes, after re-reading that last sentence, I chuckled a bit too.
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