All of the hand-wringing about closing or blocking the canal is a bit ridiculous. If someone wanted to disable it, they just need to seriously damage or sink one ship in one lock. Pretty sure Tom Clancy already wrote that book.
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Look in the mirror dude.
If we're surging ships, troops, and supplies to the Pacific, where will it be coming from, where will it be going and what is the fastest way of getting it there? About two thirds of the US sealift capacity is along the Atlantic or Gulf. Not every ship is part of a carrier strike group. And it's only the carriers that can't make it through. Marine Expeditionary Units are fairly self-contained and would be traveling with every bullet, missile and artillery round they would need for a fight. So, yes, hundreds of missiles and thousands of artillery rounds would be going through the Canal. Submarines and destroyers stationed on the east coast would be going west. Days could make a difference if there is a shooting war with China. Taiwan's strategy is to hold on for as long as it can waiting for the US Navy and Marines to arrive. If the Canal is not 100 percent secure thousands and troops and billions of ships and equipment will have to go around, they would be far to vulnerable in the Canal.
You apparently don't know that China took control of Hong Kong in 2020. So your math is nonsense. Chinese companies don't go rogue. They follow the CCP's directions or the management disappears.
Hey grok,
How does the recent visit by Secretary of State Rubio to Panama, help the United States economically and with national security.
answer:
Secretary of State Marco Rubio's recent visit to Panama has implications for both the economic interests and national security of the United States:
### Economic Benefits:
1. **Countering Chinese Influence**: Rubio's diplomacy has led to Panama's decision to not renew its participation in China's Belt and Road Initiative, which was seen as a move to reduce Chinese economic influence in the region. This could open opportunities for U.S. companies to gain or regain economic footholds in infrastructure projects or port operations near the Panama Canal, which is crucial for global trade.
2. **Strengthening Bilateral Trade**: By fostering a stronger relationship with Panama, the U.S. aims to enhance trade relations, potentially leading to increased exports and imports, benefiting U.S. businesses and consumers. Panama's strategic position with the canal makes it a vital node in global trade routes, particularly for U.S. maritime commerce.
3. **Investment Opportunities**: The discussions during Rubio's visit might lead to new investment agreements or expansions in sectors like logistics, technology, and energy, where the U.S. has significant expertise and interest.
### National Security Benefits:
1. **Panama Canal Security**: The U.S. has expressed concerns over Chinese influence around the Panama Canal, particularly through companies like CK Hutchison Holdings operating key ports. Rubio's warnings about taking "measures necessary" to protect U.S. rights under the canal treaty highlight a focus on ensuring the canal remains neutral and secure, which is critical for U.S. naval and commercial shipping interests.
2. **Migration Management**: Rubio's agenda included talks on migration, aiming to collaborate with Panama on managing the flow of migrants through the Darien Gap. This cooperation could help in controlling illegal immigration into the U.S., a significant national security issue.
3. **Geopolitical Influence**: By engaging directly with Latin American leaders, Rubio reinforces U.S. presence and influence in the region, countering not only Chinese but also Russian and other potentially adversarial influences. This is part of a broader strategy to secure the Western Hemisphere as an area of U.S. strategic interest.
4. **Counterterrorism and Drug Trafficking**: Panama's cooperation can be pivotal in broader regional efforts to combat drug trafficking, organized crime, and potentially terrorism, given its geographic position linking North and South America.
5. **Military and Diplomatic Relations**: Rubio's visit might lead to discussions or agreements on military cooperation, intelligence sharing, or other security-related arrangements that would bolster U.S. strategic interests in Central America.
These outcomes are based on the diplomatic efforts highlighted in recent news coverage and posts on X, which suggest a significant diplomatic initiative aimed at recalibrating U.S. relations with Panama to serve both economic and security objectives. However, the exact impact will depend on the follow-through of agreements and the ongoing diplomatic relations between the two countries.
How does the recent visit by Secretary of State Rubio to Panama, help the United States economically and with national security.
answer:
Secretary of State Marco Rubio's recent visit to Panama has implications for both the economic interests and national security of the United States:
### Economic Benefits:
1. **Countering Chinese Influence**: Rubio's diplomacy has led to Panama's decision to not renew its participation in China's Belt and Road Initiative, which was seen as a move to reduce Chinese economic influence in the region. This could open opportunities for U.S. companies to gain or regain economic footholds in infrastructure projects or port operations near the Panama Canal, which is crucial for global trade.
2. **Strengthening Bilateral Trade**: By fostering a stronger relationship with Panama, the U.S. aims to enhance trade relations, potentially leading to increased exports and imports, benefiting U.S. businesses and consumers. Panama's strategic position with the canal makes it a vital node in global trade routes, particularly for U.S. maritime commerce.
3. **Investment Opportunities**: The discussions during Rubio's visit might lead to new investment agreements or expansions in sectors like logistics, technology, and energy, where the U.S. has significant expertise and interest.
### National Security Benefits:
1. **Panama Canal Security**: The U.S. has expressed concerns over Chinese influence around the Panama Canal, particularly through companies like CK Hutchison Holdings operating key ports. Rubio's warnings about taking "measures necessary" to protect U.S. rights under the canal treaty highlight a focus on ensuring the canal remains neutral and secure, which is critical for U.S. naval and commercial shipping interests.
2. **Migration Management**: Rubio's agenda included talks on migration, aiming to collaborate with Panama on managing the flow of migrants through the Darien Gap. This cooperation could help in controlling illegal immigration into the U.S., a significant national security issue.
3. **Geopolitical Influence**: By engaging directly with Latin American leaders, Rubio reinforces U.S. presence and influence in the region, countering not only Chinese but also Russian and other potentially adversarial influences. This is part of a broader strategy to secure the Western Hemisphere as an area of U.S. strategic interest.
4. **Counterterrorism and Drug Trafficking**: Panama's cooperation can be pivotal in broader regional efforts to combat drug trafficking, organized crime, and potentially terrorism, given its geographic position linking North and South America.
5. **Military and Diplomatic Relations**: Rubio's visit might lead to discussions or agreements on military cooperation, intelligence sharing, or other security-related arrangements that would bolster U.S. strategic interests in Central America.
These outcomes are based on the diplomatic efforts highlighted in recent news coverage and posts on X, which suggest a significant diplomatic initiative aimed at recalibrating U.S. relations with Panama to serve both economic and security objectives. However, the exact impact will depend on the follow-through of agreements and the ongoing diplomatic relations between the two countries.
Of course we need to be proactive and protect our interests but aside from posturing on both sides I see no realistic scenario where anything approaching the fears of those about China attain.
We are in a symbiotic relationship with them economically. Anything that would remotely jeopardize our navy from going anywhere we need to unimpeded would risk serious economic casualties. Like it or not, we are partners in business.
We've dominated the seas since WWII and had free access from the Atlantic tonthe pacific even longer. We'd take that very seriously if a company on either side of the canal foolishly jeopardized that. China knows this, the uSA knows this, we on this board know this, the world knows this. That's all I have to say about that
We are in a symbiotic relationship with them economically. Anything that would remotely jeopardize our navy from going anywhere we need to unimpeded would risk serious economic casualties. Like it or not, we are partners in business.
We've dominated the seas since WWII and had free access from the Atlantic tonthe pacific even longer. We'd take that very seriously if a company on either side of the canal foolishly jeopardized that. China knows this, the uSA knows this, we on this board know this, the world knows this. That's all I have to say about that
We'll see. Don't think 25 years is anywhere close to accurate but I could be in for a shock. Taihtsat
As mentioned above, China could easily take a non-Chinese registered ship and sink it in the canal. The stupid sh!t that you people worry about when your dear leader spews drivel out of his mouth is laughable. If China goes full rogue and takes over the canal, ownership of the port is the least of our worries.
Straight from Bill Clinton’s lips to your ears in the year 2000. Globalization will be wonderful. Peace and prosperity for everyone. The world economy will be a like a big elephant walk where every country is reliant on every other country. So, there is no way Russia would annex Crimea and then invade. China will be our peaceful friend. China wouldn’t do something like expand and modernize the PLAN to be larger than the United States Navy or build a super carrier to invade Taiwan.
China could nuke it too. Parading around some kind of other attack China could unleash doesn’t explain why you want to make it easier.
Why do you suppose China would remotely consider needing to do either of those things?
Shutting down the canal is f#cking easy no matter what. We already have an agreement with Panama that allows us to intervene militarily if necessary. Trump is a f#cking idiot who is trying to force "real estate" decisions that will allow the US to grow its territory in a pathetic vanity move to prove his "greatness". That the MAGA crowd laps that sh!t up is gross.
Trump says, "We should not be sending troops or money overseas to clean up other people's messes". You dumb f#ckers yell, "Hell Yeah!"
Trump says, "We are going to spend billions of dollars cleaning up the Gaza strip to turn it into a resort area that displaces millions of people and we'll send troops if necessary" and you dumb f#ckers yell, "Hell Yeah!".
The mindless stupidity of the right is maddening. All of the Gaza, Panama and Greenland talk is just a delusional old fool who should be eating soft food and not making decisions that impact millions of people.
Even if….the US “took over Gaza”…which, lol, you think Ukraine is an expensive war to support, imagine initiating that.
How many of you would benefit from it? You gonna charter a jet and go hang out in Trumps Atlantic City of the Middle East?
Everything Trump does he does for him and his country club buddies…that’s it. Y’all ain’t in the club. Never have been. Never will be. He Despises you and wouldn’t shake your hand with someone else’s hand. You are the scum of the earth to him. And you suck him off every chance you can. F’n morons 😂.
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