Per Spokesman Review, EWU QB. . .
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Go to Utah and become fodder in Whittingham's never ending list of injured QBs.
Go to WSU and lead the nation in passing.
Hmm....
Go to WSU and lead the nation in passing.
Hmm....
So does that mean that CML is holding a roster spot for him, aka has offered him?
Beyond that, I will just say that I do not like this, nor do I agree with this. Minshew was a rare gem. This craps on Tinsley and Gordon, and sets Cooper and the rest back. If it all happens. We'll see.
I've said it before that if Leach brings a guy in, it means that he doesn't feel comfortable with Bledsoe, Neville, Tinsley or Gordon and that he wants an option beyond Cooper starting as a redshirt freshman. I feel bad for the other guys on the roster but it ain't show friends.....it's show business.
EDIT: I've also said that I refuse to fawn over every single QB that puts his name in the transfer portal and I'll just wait to see what Leach does.
Neville and Bledsoe are not factors. IMHO it is Tinsley or Gordon (or a transfer). CML ran a string of 5th year seniors out there at TT successfully, and none of them were NFL prospects or anything stellar.
No offense meant LC but I would bet Leach would say this thought process is "stupid". Minshew was a "rare gem" sure but nobody was given any guarantee they would ever start so not sure how it craps on anyone. It also doesn't really set anyone back. Keep in mind Tyler Hilinski would have been a senior next season.
On offense we appear a QB and RB depth away from competing for the North again. If Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, or someone else is the guy then so be it but there is nothing wrong in trying to improve what is probably the most important position on the field if the right guy presents himself.
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I really don't want to see Gubrud end up at Utah. Much tougher out with a QB with an actual arm to worry about.
Stopping him from going to Utah might be sufficient motivation for us to take him.
I agree 100%. If Neville and Bledsoe stay at WSU, it's only because they want to graduate from the school (and I'm fine with that). It's beyond obvious that they are not destined to see the field in a game outside of insane circumstances. I was merely covering all the bases with my statement.
Bizzare all the arm chair QB’s that don’t want a competitor to come into the program to compete. We need more competition, not less. I say bring him in, make him work for it. Best players play, period.
What has changed in the last year? Its the same guys. Theyre back at square one.
If they needed a transfer to push the competition then, they do now too.
If they needed a transfer to push the competition then, they do now too.
If "competition is good", why is this the first time that fans have been pushing for it? I don't recall fans calling for transfer QB's prior to this year. Shouldn't Leach have brought in a transfer QB after the 2014 season when Falk was heading into his sophomore year?
Who’s pushing? All I am saying is that we have an extra spot, unfortunately. That spot is still open and we should fill it. If Leach finds a quality QB that brings value to the program, he needs to do it. He’s not going to bring in a transfer just for the sake of it. He’s doing it because he needs more competition, improvement out of the QB position.
And if Hilinski were still here, Gordon and Tinsley would be back ups. So, if the EWU guy beats them out, nothing would have changed. Even so, Minshew and the competition he helped produce made both Tinsley and Gordon better, according to Leach, who simply wants as many options as possible.
None of us knew that Minshew was what he was until he proved it on the field. If Coach Leach wants another QB, then I am fine with this. If TH had not taken his life, none of these players would have seen the field much last year or this year.
Who's pushing? How about the fact that every time some random ass QB sticks his name in the portal, it's brought up on 20 different coug related social media outlets? FWIW, I do believe that Leach may go after another QB, but he has never shown a tendency to do it "for more competition". He called up Minshew last year knowing that GMII was more prepared to lead our team than any guy on our roster. That's certainly possible again this year. It's obvious that Neville and Bledsoe aren't the guys, and if he had faith in Tinsley or Rogers, he probably wouldn't have brought in GMII last year.
The only thing that we don't know is whether or not he feels that Cooper is the solution next year. He may very well bring in a guy if he isn't 100% sure that Cooper is ready to run the show, but he isn't bringing the guy "for more competition". Again, if it was so damned important to Leach to stack the roster with QB's, explain to me why he didn't bring in a juco QB in 2015 given that our 2015 depth chart was:
Falk: R. So. (3 starts, 1-3 record when taking the majority of snaps)
Bender: R. Fr.
Hilinski: Fr.
A couple freshmen walk-ons
If it's so damned important to bring in guys "for competition", why didn't he bring in an upperclassman that year? Perhaps it's because he doesn't believe in the "competition" theories being thrown around here and doesn't waste scholarships on that kind of thing? I'm not saying that I don't "want" a transfer QB and I'll support the heck out of a guy if Leach brings one in, but we have a lot of people who are jonesing for that grad transfer crack now that they've had a hit.
One thing Gubrud might have that the returning WSU quarterbacks do not: wheels. Minshew will never be a 100-meter champion, but he could elude the rush. The reduction in sacks from 2017 to last season (44-13) was no accident, and Mike Leach knows it. I have long argued that a running QB in the Air Raid can be a killer to opposing defenses. That aside, both Tinsley and Gordon are more mobile than Falk ever was, and Gordon's arm is stronger than Gubrud's, so let's see how this plays out. But I've seen Gubrud run, and he's impressive.
So starting three games after Halliday was injured was enough experience that "competition is good" didn't mean anything?
What's funny is that so many of our fans seem to think that starting experience at a different school is more meaningful at WSU than actually understanding the air raid offense. There's certainly value in knowing what it's like to have 50,000 screaming at you when the game is on the line, but there's also value in being comfortable enough in the offense that you aren't feeling as much stress.
Again, I'm not saying that Leach won't bring in another guy, I just find it laughable that our fans are so determined that he HAS to find one. It's interesting that all over the country, true freshmen QB's are starting more and more, but at good ol' WSU, that just can't happen and we MUST find that grad transfer guy who can take Minshew's place.
Leach called Cooper Kupp the most talented player on the field.
Positive. Why would Leach refer to anyone other than Cooper Kupp as the most talented player on the field that day. Gubrud had a nice day but Kupp was a next level talent.
WSU Leach is, or should be opportunist when it comes to recruiting in some situations.
Tinsley was ALMOST as good as Minshew, in fall camp. Leach said so and says so.
Tinsley can probably get WSU 7,8,9 wins. Gordon can probably get WSU 6,7,8 wins. Cooper can probably get WSU 6, 7, 8 wins.
Gabrud would probably get WSU 8,9,10,11 wins.
Now does, would WSU want 8,9 wins at best with Tinsley, Cooper, or 11 wins at best with WSU?
Does, Would WSU want WSU to win 6,7 wins at worst with Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, or Gabrud probably winning 8,9 at worst?
So that's a 2 win difference.
Now lets look at scenarios
If WSU starts Tinsely, Gordon, Cooper, wins only 6,7 games:
That's a ok, semi yawn bowl game
If WSU starts Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, and wins 8,9 wins: Recruiting be about same, or just barely worse, program building just barely same, or just bately worse.
Thats good, semi great, Holiday Bowl, at best, Sun bowl at worst with anything in between more likely. Recruiting will stay about the same, program building will be about the same
If WSU starts Gabrud and wins 9 games:
Then Recruiting same, program building same.
If WSU starts Gabrud, wins 10,11 games, then recruiting up, better, program building better, up.
Gabrud would probably start, but no guarantee, as he could unlikelily be beat out, be back up.
If Gabrud Starts then while may not seem fair to Tinsley, who are good, have paid their dues, etc, 1. Your trying to put best team out there. 2. Tinsley, Gordon were transfers that were slotted as back ups to Falk, Tyler Hilinski, who would not have a chance to start if not for Hilinski. 3. Because of above points, there is nothing wrong with bringing Gabrud in, and then starting Cooper Next year for 3 years.
Also altho 1 of 3 in Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, would start, be good. The back up might probably not be good, so that if the starter gets injured....
But with Gabrud as the starter, with 1 of 3 in Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper as the back up, there is a better chance that the Back up will be just fine, if the starter gets injured.
Then there is that WSU does not want to have to play against Gabrud at Utah.
Now this does not mean that I think that WSU, Leach should go out of way and TRY to find a Minshew, a Gabrud.
I dont think that at all.
But what I do think is that IF WSU GETS THE OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY CHANCE CHANCE AND IF A MINSHEW GABRUD MIRACULOUSLY FALLS INTO LAP, THAT WSU LEACH SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE AND SIGN THAT KIND OF PLAYER IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN.
And if WSU, Leach were to do that, after that happening, that does NOT mean that WSU, Leach thinks, feels that Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper are not the answer, etc.
WSU, Leach dont, wouldnt think that.
WSU, Leach would only be trying to field the best team possible and why settle for 8 wins, when can have 10 wins, as long as have the chance, opportunity.
The reason why only do this if fall into lap, is to demonstrate to future recruits that your not going out of way to do this, which might hurt future recruiting if go out of way to do this.
But if taking advantage of faling into lap, recruiting probably wont be hurt by that.
Tinsley was ALMOST as good as Minshew, in fall camp. Leach said so and says so.
Tinsley can probably get WSU 7,8,9 wins. Gordon can probably get WSU 6,7,8 wins. Cooper can probably get WSU 6, 7, 8 wins.
Gabrud would probably get WSU 8,9,10,11 wins.
Now does, would WSU want 8,9 wins at best with Tinsley, Cooper, or 11 wins at best with WSU?
Does, Would WSU want WSU to win 6,7 wins at worst with Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, or Gabrud probably winning 8,9 at worst?
So that's a 2 win difference.
Now lets look at scenarios
If WSU starts Tinsely, Gordon, Cooper, wins only 6,7 games:
That's a ok, semi yawn bowl game
If WSU starts Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, and wins 8,9 wins: Recruiting be about same, or just barely worse, program building just barely same, or just bately worse.
Thats good, semi great, Holiday Bowl, at best, Sun bowl at worst with anything in between more likely. Recruiting will stay about the same, program building will be about the same
If WSU starts Gabrud and wins 9 games:
Then Recruiting same, program building same.
If WSU starts Gabrud, wins 10,11 games, then recruiting up, better, program building better, up.
Gabrud would probably start, but no guarantee, as he could unlikelily be beat out, be back up.
If Gabrud Starts then while may not seem fair to Tinsley, who are good, have paid their dues, etc, 1. Your trying to put best team out there. 2. Tinsley, Gordon were transfers that were slotted as back ups to Falk, Tyler Hilinski, who would not have a chance to start if not for Hilinski. 3. Because of above points, there is nothing wrong with bringing Gabrud in, and then starting Cooper Next year for 3 years.
Also altho 1 of 3 in Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper, would start, be good. The back up might probably not be good, so that if the starter gets injured....
But with Gabrud as the starter, with 1 of 3 in Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper as the back up, there is a better chance that the Back up will be just fine, if the starter gets injured.
Then there is that WSU does not want to have to play against Gabrud at Utah.
Now this does not mean that I think that WSU, Leach should go out of way and TRY to find a Minshew, a Gabrud.
I dont think that at all.
But what I do think is that IF WSU GETS THE OPPORTUNITY OPPORTUNITY CHANCE CHANCE AND IF A MINSHEW GABRUD MIRACULOUSLY FALLS INTO LAP, THAT WSU LEACH SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE AND SIGN THAT KIND OF PLAYER IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN.
And if WSU, Leach were to do that, after that happening, that does NOT mean that WSU, Leach thinks, feels that Tinsley, Gordon, Cooper are not the answer, etc.
WSU, Leach dont, wouldnt think that.
WSU, Leach would only be trying to field the best team possible and why settle for 8 wins, when can have 10 wins, as long as have the chance, opportunity.
The reason why only do this if fall into lap, is to demonstrate to future recruits that your not going out of way to do this, which might hurt future recruiting if go out of way to do this.
But if taking advantage of faling into lap, recruiting probably wont be hurt by that.
Correct. Leach was impressed by Kupp and the QB who’s name he couldn’t pronounce.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...ubles-continue-in-loss-to-eastern-washington/
Leach and his staff are the one's that appear to be recruiting him, not fans. Most of the time you are logical. But, sometimes you're not. This is one of those times that you appear to be going off the deep end.
I’m starting to change my mind about this. I was dead set against, but some good points made, namely that we still are down one QB. Here is what I see as the major drawbacks,and let me first say that I have no real knowledge of what is really happening with the team chemistry.
However, from my armchair it seems like two things are very different than they were twelve months ago. The team has really become tight knit, (often calling each other brothers, for example). Second, this GAge Gabrud, by definition is no Gardner Minshew. His leadership style will be completely different. Can he win the respect of the team he wants to lead? Personally, I doubt it. Just my 2 cents. But worst case scenario should be he spends the season pouting on the bench. Best case, we go 15-0. Ok, 14-1. If Leach and co. Are up for it, fine by me
However, from my armchair it seems like two things are very different than they were twelve months ago. The team has really become tight knit, (often calling each other brothers, for example). Second, this GAge Gabrud, by definition is no Gardner Minshew. His leadership style will be completely different. Can he win the respect of the team he wants to lead? Personally, I doubt it. Just my 2 cents. But worst case scenario should be he spends the season pouting on the bench. Best case, we go 15-0. Ok, 14-1. If Leach and co. Are up for it, fine by me
I'm pretty torn on this. Probably lean against it but won't gripe if he ends up in Crimson and Grey.
The case for him has been well stated. Lots of experience, mobility, and moxie. Keeping him away from Utah.
The downside has been stated as well.
One thing I'm surprised no one mentioned is the run Eastern went on this year after Gage got hurt. Easterns offense didn't skip a beat and it should give everyone some pause. Either the competition was simply poor, inflating Gubrud's numbers, or Eastern is a Clemson/BAMA juggernaut at the FCS level and Gubrud is simply a cog in the machine. Also possible is Eastern simply has a knack for uncovering superstar quarterbacks.
One thing is true: I'm far less enamored with Gubrud than I was with Vernon Adams. I thought Adams might be an NFL talent. Fairly certain Gubrud isn't.
I do know we don't get Gubrud until the fall if he comes here, and it doesn't exactly set you up for success to have such a short turn around time. Though it's a short drive from Cheney to Pullman for skelly sessions and rents are cheap in Pullman before he gets on scholarship. He will be able to move down once he graduates.
The case for him has been well stated. Lots of experience, mobility, and moxie. Keeping him away from Utah.
The downside has been stated as well.
One thing I'm surprised no one mentioned is the run Eastern went on this year after Gage got hurt. Easterns offense didn't skip a beat and it should give everyone some pause. Either the competition was simply poor, inflating Gubrud's numbers, or Eastern is a Clemson/BAMA juggernaut at the FCS level and Gubrud is simply a cog in the machine. Also possible is Eastern simply has a knack for uncovering superstar quarterbacks.
One thing is true: I'm far less enamored with Gubrud than I was with Vernon Adams. I thought Adams might be an NFL talent. Fairly certain Gubrud isn't.
I do know we don't get Gubrud until the fall if he comes here, and it doesn't exactly set you up for success to have such a short turn around time. Though it's a short drive from Cheney to Pullman for skelly sessions and rents are cheap in Pullman before he gets on scholarship. He will be able to move down once he graduates.
almost as good as a guy that just set foot on campus, meaning that he was nowhere close as the season wore on
I leave it up to Leach on whether he believes that Gubrud can be ready in time. Would you feel the same way if it had been Hurts?
Also, many of Leach's QB's were not NFL QB's and they all did just fine.
Lastly, I haven't followed this story all that much, but since Gubrude would be a 6th year player, I am guessing he has already graduated and could be in Pullman almost immediately.
Gubrud is much better fit for WSU's offense. Hurts was never going to come here, and IMO WSU had no interest in him other than getting some free pub with a twitter follow.
Don't worry.....I'm 100% logical about this. I understand it's the slow season so people are just grasping at something to talk about, but I have to laugh at the fans that post about EVERY single QB that punches their name in the transfer portal. The EWU QB actually makes sense for Leach to strongly consider and it sounds like he is. Leach has studied tape on the kid and coached against him. He undoubtedly has a good feel for how this kid compares to what we have. I just shake my heads at our fans who point at our QB's and say that we are likely going to be a mediocre team with them and that we need to recruit a new QB if we aren't going to fail.
That attitude speaks poorly of Leach's recruiting and QB development if he can't find one decent guy out of the handful of QB's that he has on the roster. Hilinski's suicide was certainly unexpected, but do you really look at Leach and think that he can't wring a good season out of one of our guys? Does Leach just stock our roster with warm bodies without regard to what happens if the starter gets hurt? If Leach is suddenly so bad at QB evaluation and development, should we look at Cruz and think, "Bah.....he's gonna suck for at least 2 years and maybe longer"?
Going back to my comment about freshmen QB above, how is it that so many freshmen QB's are doing well, but at WSU, we have to get a senior transfer QB if we are going to succeed? Brock Purdy at Iowa State is a true freshman who was thrown into the fire a few games into the season. He just got through going toe to toe against Gardner Minshew in the Alamo Bowl and had them in the position to win the game. FWIW, he had a better passer rating in the game. How is it that all these other schools survive, but WSU MUST get another grad transfer? Again....don't get me wrong, if Leach finds a guy he likes, I'll support him, but it's pathetic when some dude from SMU gets mentioned as a guy for us to consider. Our fans have gone that far down the rabbit hole on this.
I believe the issue is how many games he played. If I read correctly he played in 5 games. The NCAA rule, if I read correctly, says you cant play in more then 1/3 of the games. Here is the catch, because EWU played for the title they played 15 games.
He has a case based on a playoff run,
not a regulat season. Maybe he gets the 6th year, maybe he doesnt.
IMO, the NCAA should be about the kids and their success in the classroom and on the field. In an era when kids are trying to leave school as soon as they can.... I feel there should be some leniency for kids wanting to stay in school as long as they can and further their education in a masters degree.
He has a case based on a playoff run,
not a regulat season. Maybe he gets the 6th year, maybe he doesnt.
IMO, the NCAA should be about the kids and their success in the classroom and on the field. In an era when kids are trying to leave school as soon as they can.... I feel there should be some leniency for kids wanting to stay in school as long as they can and further their education in a masters degree.
If Gubrud comes, who will ElC be rooting for at the QB position. It's a veritable quandry!
While I was originally against the idea, the point was made that we are essentially down one QB on the roster and GM and possibly Gubrud are simply filling that slot- ie tinsley and Gordon wouldn't have been starting anyway.
That being said, it feels a little Oregon-esque grasping for the next greatest thing available. I don't care for the precident that's being set.
While I was originally against the idea, the point was made that we are essentially down one QB on the roster and GM and possibly Gubrud are simply filling that slot- ie tinsley and Gordon wouldn't have been starting anyway.
That being said, it feels a little Oregon-esque grasping for the next greatest thing available. I don't care for the precident that's being set.
