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Article is about Lane but the quote is the reason for this post. Amazing the quote by Mama Kiffin about CML…

For those that don't think that was a PR NIGHTMARE, here's another nugget to put on the pile of links and quotes to show people don't know the truth, but don't care to, either. Amazing.

Note: The article is from today (12-29-14) but the quote is from earlier this year so the quote is semi-outdated but still.


Mama Lane and the PR nightmare of CML
 
There is just something creepy about Kiffin that is not present in Leach. Hard to be more specific, but it's there. Like I posted before I wish Leach was better with the media--I like that he has other interests--but Kiffin looks AFRAID of them! Leach may not play well with others when it comes to the media, but never at his worst can I envision him running away from them like Kiffin did! Can you? Kiffin reminds me of all the little dweebs that got all the lucky breaks but never worked for them....like a weird man-child. Leach has life experience and, for lack of a better term, a "life" outside of football. I think I'd like to hang out with him....but kiffin gives me the creeps....
 
"That guy at Texas Tech (Mike Leach), he locked a quarterback in a shed and he gets another job. Are they still talking about that? No. The Arkansas guy (Bobby Petrino) gets caught on a motorcycle wreck with another woman and he gets another job. Are they talking about him? No."


Never expect a mother to be objective about their children. IMO, it's kind of funny. I mean, who knew James was a QB?
 
Originally posted by dgibbons:
"That guy at Texas Tech (Mike Leach), he locked a quarterback in a shed and he gets another job. Are they still talking about that? No. The Arkansas guy (Bobby Petrino) gets caught on a motorcycle wreck with another woman and he gets another job. Are they talking about him? No."


Never expect a mother to be objective about their children. IMO, it's kind of funny. I mean, who knew James was a QB?
Now, now. That's Lane's mommy. We must be sensitive about such things. As for the perpetuation of lies, Adam James, in deposition from Mike Leach's lawsuit against TT, admitted he put himself in a closet as a joke. Only his idiot of a father continues to believe otherwise - oh and Lane's dumb mum.

This post was edited on 12/29 12:55 PM by YakiCoug
 
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I like Mike Leach and if he could find a way to run the ball effectively some of the time, I might learn to love the guy. Realistically for anyone who is not a Coug or a Texas Tech fan it is easy to see why they think Leach is seen as kind of a Dou**e. Leach does not turn on the charm for the media, and his PR blunders at Tech and WSU including the often misrepresented Adam Jones incident follow him like a dark cloud.

It has no,t thus far, seemed to hurt him in recruiting like some in the Oregonian article intimate, but maybe it has and we just don't know who we could have lured to the Palouse.

I am still in the wait and see mode with CML. I need to see a semblance of a defense to go with the prolific offense. As earlier mentioned a little bit of a running game would be nice to see too.

For now though just announce your DC.
 
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Originally posted by Cougsocal:
make your head exploded ...

But is it fair to compare Rich Rod with Mike Leach?
You can compare what each coach inherited. If you look at Arizona's recruiting classes prior to Rich Rod's arrival (2008/'09/'10), he had much more with which to work.
 
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Originally posted by Cougsocal:
make your head exploded ...

But is it fair to compare Rich Rod with Mike Leach?
Typical shallow analysis by a member of the media that likely watches one or two games a year against WSU and UA.
 
I don't care what she said about Leach, I was literally crying in my office I was laughing so hard at that Tosh.O skit.
 
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Originally posted by YakiCoug:
Originally posted by Cougsocal:
make your head exploded ...

But is it fair to compare Rich Rod with Mike Leach?
You can compare what each coach inherited. If you look at Arizona's recruiting classes prior to Rich Rod's arrival (2008/'09/'10), he had much more with which to work.
Not to mention that Arizona had gone to three straight bowls before Stoops lost control of the team in 2011. After Stoops was fired, Arizona finished up 3-3. Arizona knew how to win. The Cougars are still trying to learn. Knowing how to win is the biggest hurdle for any losing program to overcome.

Dumb article
 
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Originally posted by Coug1990:
Originally posted by YakiCoug:
Originally posted by Cougsocal:
make your head exploded ...

But is it fair to compare Rich Rod with Mike Leach?
You can compare what each coach inherited. If you look at Arizona's recruiting classes prior to Rich Rod's arrival (2008/'09/'10), he had much more with which to work.
Not to mention that Arizona had gone to three straight bowls before Stoops lost control of the team in 2011. After Stoops was fired, Arizona finished up 3-3. Arizona knew how to win. The Cougars are still trying to learn. Knowing how to win is the biggest hurdle for any losing program to overcome.

Dumb article
The dearth of research that goes into some sports columns is astounding.
 
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The article comparing Leach/WSU to Richrod/AZ is rediculous. Too bad that bafoon writer can't read or do any homework. Comparing WSU to Arizona 3 years ago is just stupid.

Arizona under their previous coaching staff had been bringing in relatively high recruiting classes... they had a lot of talent, even with the previous staff.

WSU on the other hand had CPW recruiting Big Sky talent and then much of what was brought in never lasted or even made it onto the field. I don't see this in any of that articles information.... no, the idiot just used a very wide stroked brush to paint his view/angle of this comparison.... it fits his needs I guess. But, it is not accurate. I'm not going to do the recruiting homework to look at Arizona, but I remember well Stoops brought in good classes in his time there. I used to wonder back then, how does he get all this talent to Tuscon and then does just marginally with it? I guess that's why he's gone!

But lets not pretend WSU was recruiting at the level that Arizona was back then.... that article is totally written and slanted to where the writer wanted to go..... to smear Leach and WSU.

Truth: Arizona recruiting/talent far exceeded WSU's recruiting/talent at the time.
 
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Well, his point was that RR tried to inspire his troops, making the players "his own"; but Leach's approach was less inspiring and more stick than carrot. That is simply true. It doesn't mean that Leach did not have other, less public meetings with his team, trying to bring them in. But he DID use a more "in your face" approach, and regardless of whether it was more or less effective, it sure didn't seem to do any good.

Now, you can make the case that Leach's inherited team was less talented, but that does not justify public comments trashing his team. Now if that is Leach's MO in his career, and not just a bucket of cold water designed to wake them up, that's a problem. But I had always thought it was a strategy on Leach's part.....
 
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Of our last two coaches, only one used HIS INTRODUCTORY PRESS CONFERENCE to run down the players he'd inherited. (Hint: it's not the guy coaching now)
 
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Dumb? Not really. I think he makes a valid point. I would have taken the Rich Rod approach had I been in the same situation.
 
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Originally posted by How_did_this_happen?:
Dumb? Not really. I think he makes a valid point. I would have taken the Rich Rod approach had I been in the same situation.
Yes Dumb. Stupid. Idiotic. Did Rodriguez do the same thing at Michigan where he failed? I know that Robb Akey did the same thing at Idaho when he took over, still he ultimately failed.

I do believe in making the players that you inherit your own. I have written this many times. I wrote back in Wulff's first year that he did not take that approach which was counter to what was publicly being written by BX and other avenues. So, we really do not know how the first few months of the Leach transition were.

However, while getting to know players like RR did is a part of the transition, it is only a part. The writer of that article intimates that is the reason for RR's success and Leach's struggles. But, that leaves out so much and more important things like the talent inherited and whether players knew how to win. As I wrote, it is a dumb article.

This post was edited on 12/30 3:07 PM by Coug1990
 
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Originally posted by Coug1990:
Originally posted by How_did_this_happen?:
Dumb? Not really. I think he makes a valid point. I would have taken the Rich Rod approach had I been in the same situation.
Yes Dumb. Stupid. Idiotic. Did Rodriguez do the same thing at Michigan where he failed? I know that Robb Akey did the same thing at Idaho when he took over, still he ultimately failed.

I do believe in making the players that you inherit your own. I have written this many times. I wrote back in Wulff's first year that he did not take that approach which was counter to what was publicly being written by BX and other avenues. So, we really do not know how the first few months of the Leach transition were.

However, while getting to know players like RR did is a part of the transition, it is only a part. The writer of that article intimates that is the reason for RR's success and Leach's struggles. But, that leaves out so much and more important things like the talent inherited and whether players knew how to win. As I wrote, it is a dumb article.

This post was edited on 12/30 3:07 PM by Coug1990
I am not saying it guarantees success. I'm saying from both a human and common sense perspective it is the best way to treat your new team. Make them yours and tell them you'll support them as long as they do their part. Don't treat them as if they have leprosy or something like that.
 
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Goe seems to want to create the perception Leach began tearing into his players the second he got on campus. This just isn't true. Leach has never been about having his players embrace him personally. It's a work ethic and an attitude about the opportunity they have that he wants them to embrace. Clearly he noticed from watching off-season training sessions that some players were not embracing the things he sees as important. That carried into spring ball and fall camp, and then into games. When you combine a lack of effort, bad attitudes, and a lack of talent, the result is rarely a good one. Nonetheless, he had to instill the basic structure and philosophy, despite much resistance.
Everything about Cougar football was broken, much more so than many realized. It's still a work in progress, but it always will be. And Leach will always be Leach, which rubs many the wrong way. He's fine with others as long as they work hard, ask intelligent, thoughtful questions, and have some purpose to what they're doing. But he does not suffer fools, and Cougar football has had more than its share.
Will he put together three consecutive 10-win seasons and win the conference title twice in about half a decade? Well, just how many times has that happened in Pullman? The conference is much tougher than it was in 1997 and 2002. The offenses are more diverse. Oregon is a monster. UCLA actually owns Southern California (both the area and its crosstown rival). The UW and USC likely are on the rise.
Leach has the benefit of unprecedented facilities at WSU, but we're still very isolated and have a schizophrenic fan base, many members of which are perfectly fine with losing football so long as the coach rubs elbows with them. Leach isn't that kind of guy, much to their dismay.
 
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Originally posted by YakiCoug:
Goe seems to want to create the perception Leach began tearing into his players the second he got on campus. This just isn't true. Leach has never been about having his players embrace him personally. It's a work ethic and an attitude about the opportunity they have that he wants them to embrace. Clearly he noticed from watching off-season training sessions that some players were not embracing the things he sees as important. That carried into spring ball and fall camp, and then into games. When you combine a lack of effort, bad attitudes, and a lack of talent, the result is rarely a good one. Nonetheless, he had to instill the basic structure and philosophy, despite much resistance.
Everything about Cougar football was broken, much more so than many realized. It's still a work in progress, but it always will be. And Leach will always be Leach, which rubs many the wrong way. He's fine with others as long as they work hard, ask intelligent, thoughtful questions, and have some purpose to what they're doing. But he does not suffer fools, and Cougar football has had more than its share.
Will he put together three consecutive 10-win seasons and win the conference title twice in about half a decade? Well, just how many times has that happened in Pullman? The conference is much tougher than it was in 1997 and 2002. The offenses are more diverse. Oregon is a monster. UCLA actually owns Southern California (both the area and its crosstown rival). The UW and USC likely are on the rise.
Leach has the benefit of unprecedented facilities at WSU, but we're still very isolated and have a schizophrenic fan base, many members of which are perfectly fine with losing football so long as the coach rubs elbows with them. Leach isn't that kind of guy, much to their dismay.
Excellent perspective.
 
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Originally posted by How_did_this_happen?:

Originally posted by Coug1990:
Originally posted by How_did_this_happen?:
Dumb? Not really. I think he makes a valid point. I would have taken the Rich Rod approach had I been in the same situation.
Yes Dumb. Stupid. Idiotic. Did Rodriguez do the same thing at Michigan where he failed? I know that Robb Akey did the same thing at Idaho when he took over, still he ultimately failed.

I do believe in making the players that you inherit your own. I have written this many times. I wrote back in Wulff's first year that he did not take that approach which was counter to what was publicly being written by BX and other avenues. So, we really do not know how the first few months of the Leach transition were.

However, while getting to know players like RR did is a part of the transition, it is only a part. The writer of that article intimates that is the reason for RR's success and Leach's struggles. But, that leaves out so much and more important things like the talent inherited and whether players knew how to win. As I wrote, it is a dumb article.


I am not saying it guarantees success. I'm saying from both a human and common sense perspective it is the best way to treat your new team. Make them yours and tell them you'll support them as long as they do their part. Don't treat them as if they have leprosy or something like that.
I think for transition purposes, it is a good way to go. But, the reason I said this article was dumb was that it takes a lot of leaps why one program is successful and why a different program is not. Still, we do not really know what Leach did when he arrived. For all we know, he came in bearing candy to the players like RR, but the players took advantage of that and didn't want to work. So, that is when Leach laid down the hammer. I do not know.

We also know that there are examples of organizations being tough and being successful, the military for example.
 
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Originally posted by How_did_this_happen?:

Originally posted by YakiCoug:
Goe seems to want to create the perception Leach began tearing into his players the second he got on campus. This just isn't true. Leach has never been about having his players embrace him personally. It's a work ethic and an attitude about the opportunity they have that he wants them to embrace. Clearly he noticed from watching off-season training sessions that some players were not embracing the things he sees as important. That carried into spring ball and fall camp, and then into games. When you combine a lack of effort, bad attitudes, and a lack of talent, the result is rarely a good one. Nonetheless, he had to instill the basic structure and philosophy, despite much resistance.
Everything about Cougar football was broken, much more so than many realized. It's still a work in progress, but it always will be. And Leach will always be Leach, which rubs many the wrong way. He's fine with others as long as they work hard, ask intelligent, thoughtful questions, and have some purpose to what they're doing. But he does not suffer fools, and Cougar football has had more than its share.
Will he put together three consecutive 10-win seasons and win the conference title twice in about half a decade? Well, just how many times has that happened in Pullman? The conference is much tougher than it was in 1997 and 2002. The offenses are more diverse. Oregon is a monster. UCLA actually owns Southern California (both the area and its crosstown rival). The UW and USC likely are on the rise.
Leach has the benefit of unprecedented facilities at WSU, but we're still very isolated and have a schizophrenic fan base, many members of which are perfectly fine with losing football so long as the coach rubs elbows with them. Leach isn't that kind of guy, much to their dismay.
Excellent perspective.
I agree. As I have been writing for years, it is hard to teach teams how to win in every sport. From his time in the SEC and Big 12, Leach saw the work effort needed to be successful. From his press conferences that first year, it was apparent that he did not believe the players were giving the effort needed to be successful.

I read an article a month or two ago and they were interviewing a former TT player of Leach's. He was saying something that I believe most of us know, players lead other players. When he was a TT, Leach was there long enough (and let's be frank, he inherited a much more stronger mentally team at TT than he inherited at WSU) that the upperclassmen lead the underclassmen in a positive way. This player said Leach has had to start from scratch at WSU and spend a lot of energy getting the players to just do the basics work effort and teaching the players to lead the right way.

Also, there are people that love being in front of the press (Richard Sherman) and others that don't (Marshawn Lynch). I think that Leach knows he has to do press conferences, but I do not think it is something he enjoys. He is much better situations in where he is conversing with people. Situations where he is in a recruits home or at fundraisers.


This post was edited on 12/30 7:47 PM by Coug1990
 
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And do you know if CML did that or not? What if he gave them the same speech about being in the fold, we're a team and as long as you do your part, I've got your back... And then they didn't do their part? I think this is the very assumption 1990 and others are talking about. At least a major one among many. Maybe it's CMLs response to their possible lack of effort that rubs some wrong but to say CML didn't do this or that... ?
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Originally posted by YakiCoug:
Goe seems to want to create the perception Leach began tearing into his players the second he got on campus. This just isn't true. Leach has never been about having his players embrace him personally. It's a work ethic and an attitude about the opportunity they have that he wants them to embrace. Clearly he noticed from watching off-season training sessions that some players were not embracing the things he sees as important. That carried into spring ball and fall camp, and then into games. When you combine a lack of effort, bad attitudes, and a lack of talent, the result is rarely a good one. Nonetheless, he had to instill the basic structure and philosophy, despite much resistance.
Everything about Cougar football was broken, much more so than many realized. It's still a work in progress, but it always will be. And Leach will always be Leach, which rubs many the wrong way. He's fine with others as long as they work hard, ask intelligent, thoughtful questions, and have some purpose to what they're doing. But he does not suffer fools, and Cougar football has had more than its share.
Will he put together three consecutive 10-win seasons and win the conference title twice in about half a decade? Well, just how many times has that happened in Pullman? The conference is much tougher than it was in 1997 and 2002. The offenses are more diverse. Oregon is a monster. UCLA actually owns Southern California (both the area and its crosstown rival). The UW and USC likely are on the rise.
Leach has the benefit of unprecedented facilities at WSU, but we're still very isolated and have a schizophrenic fan base, many members of which are perfectly fine with losing football so long as the coach rubs elbows with them. Leach isn't that kind of guy, much to their dismay.
You had me until the conference is much tougher now. Check out 2002, with 2 BCS bowl teams and 8 teams with at least 7 wins and 8 teams ranked at some point during the year. The conference also had the highest strength of schedule that year. It is fair to say that in 2014 the conference returned to the strength it had not demonstrated since 2002. Now, if the conference can repeat its 2014 performance in 2015, then you may be right.
 
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Originally posted by Cougsocal:
Originally posted by YakiCoug:
Goe seems to want to create the perception Leach began tearing into his players the second he got on campus. This just isn't true. Leach has never been about having his players embrace him personally. It's a work ethic and an attitude about the opportunity they have that he wants them to embrace. Clearly he noticed from watching off-season training sessions that some players were not embracing the things he sees as important. That carried into spring ball and fall camp, and then into games. When you combine a lack of effort, bad attitudes, and a lack of talent, the result is rarely a good one. Nonetheless, he had to instill the basic structure and philosophy, despite much resistance.
Everything about Cougar football was broken, much more so than many realized. It's still a work in progress, but it always will be. And Leach will always be Leach, which rubs many the wrong way. He's fine with others as long as they work hard, ask intelligent, thoughtful questions, and have some purpose to what they're doing. But he does not suffer fools, and Cougar football has had more than its share.
Will he put together three consecutive 10-win seasons and win the conference title twice in about half a decade? Well, just how many times has that happened in Pullman? The conference is much tougher than it was in 1997 and 2002. The offenses are more diverse. Oregon is a monster. UCLA actually owns Southern California (both the area and its crosstown rival). The UW and USC likely are on the rise.
Leach has the benefit of unprecedented facilities at WSU, but we're still very isolated and have a schizophrenic fan base, many members of which are perfectly fine with losing football so long as the coach rubs elbows with them. Leach isn't that kind of guy, much to their dismay.
You had me until the conference is much tougher now. Check out 2002, with 2 BCS bowl teams and 8 teams with at least 7 wins and 8 teams ranked at some point during the year. The conference also had the highest strength of schedule that year. It is fair to say that in 2014 the conference returned to the strength it had not demonstrated since 2002. Now, if the conference can repeat its 2014 performance in 2015, then you may be right.
I believe you are picking nits. In 2002, there were two teams with more than 8 victories. This year, there are 6 with potentially washington adding to that with a victory. If UCLA takes care of KSU, there will be four teams with at least 10 victories. There are also two teams in BCS bowls this year in Arizona and Oregon. Either way, the conference is much better than it was at any time during the Wulff era, meaning Leach took over WSU when the conference is very good. The Pac 12 is currently 4-0 in bowls. Last year the conference was 6-2 in bowls.

This post was edited on 12/31 8:28 AM by Coug1990
 
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Originally posted by Coug95man2:
And do you know if CML did that or not? What if he gave them the same speech about being in the fold, we're a team and as long as you do your part, I've got your back... And then they didn't do their part? I think this is the very assumption 1990 and others are talking about. At least a major one among many. Maybe it's CMLs response to their possible lack of effort that rubs some wrong but to say CML didn't do this or that... ?
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Yes, this is what we are saying. We really do not know what occurred. When Wulff was coach, we heard about sunshine and rainbows. Yet, I was hearing from players at that time telling me a different story. We all know the media (lead by Craig James) reported that Leach locked Adam James in a shed. We also know that never happened.

We do not know how Leach approached his team at the beginning. We do know he has three golden rules about drugs, hitting women and stealing. If he didn't back those up with consequences, then they would not mean anything. In my opinion, Leach believes if you do your job, they will get along fine. If you don't, then there are consequences.
 
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I fail to see what the problem is here. This article seems closer to the truth than only the most hardened Leaches are willing to admit.

Leach is who his record says he is in 2015. No excuses.
 
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Originally posted by chinookpirate:

I fail to see what the problem is here. This article seems closer to the truth than only the most hardened Leaches are willing to admit.

Leach is who his record says he is in 2015. No excuses.
You are so predictable.

This post was edited on 12/31 9:19 AM by Coug1990
 
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why is it the job of every reporter to outside of Pullman to write puff pieces supporting Leach? The depiction of how Leach chose to run with his team from day one is accurate. If Leach was winning, he'd be held up as a model doing it tbe right way.

He isn't winning and so everything gets questioned just as it is in every sport at every level.
 
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Originally posted by chinookpirate:

I fail to see what the problem is here. This article seems closer to the truth than only the most hardened Leaches are willing to admit.

Leach is who his record says he is in 2015. No excuses.
And you're not exactly connecting the reasons for his record to the nonsense in the article.

But nice try.
 
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Originally posted by chinookpirate:

why is it the job of every reporter to outside of Pullman to write puff pieces supporting Leach? The depiction of how Leach chose to run with his team from day one is accurate. If Leach was winning, he'd be held up as a model doing it tbe right way.

He isn't winning and so everything gets questioned just as it is in every sport at every level.
Who said anything about writing a puff piece for Leach? None of us. How do you know the depiction is correct. In this very thread, I have given several examples where the depiction of things were false. Again, you are so predictable. Anyway, I am leaving for the gym now. Later.
 
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Originally posted by dgibbons:
Originally posted by chinookpirate:

I fail to see what the problem is here. This article seems closer to the truth than only the most hardened Leaches are willing to admit.

Leach is who his record says he is in 2015. No excuses.
And you're not exactly connecting the reasons for his record to the nonsense in the article.

But nice try.
The key word CP wrote was "seems". We all know that often, things are not always as they "seem."
 
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Leach didn't come in and blow up the team?

He didn't refer to his players as zombies? Didn't say his linemens performance bordered on cowerdace?

some of you need to grow a pair.
 
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Originally posted by chinookpirate:

Leach didn't come in and blow up the team?

He didn't refer to his players as zombies? Didn't say his linemens performance bordered on cowerdace?

some of you need to grow a pair.

You're so pretty when you're emotional.
 
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Originally posted by chinookpirate:

Leach didn't come in and blow up the team?

He didn't refer to his players as zombies? Didn't say his linemens performance bordered on cowerdace?

some of you need to grow a pair.
This is the reason why it is useless to have a discussion with you. In this thread, there are several answers to these questions and why it is not relevant to what the article says.
 
Wasn't the article about "hearts and minds" and a coaching winning them?


Leach did what Wulff did. Wulff did what all coaches do. They set their culture. And the truth is 18-22 year old kids and their parents have a tough time with it. Human nature to resist change.

But as I recall this was a huge issue with you when one coach does it, but not when you respect the coach taking over. What Leach did is no different than Wulff, and it is a non story on both accounts. Did I like the words Cowardice? nope. Did I like him trotting the lineman out after the Utah game? Nope.

But guess what, he is the coach. That is how he runs things. He is setting the tone and culture for his tenure.

This post was edited on 12/31 7:09 PM by CougEd
 
Re: WAsn't the artcile about "hearts and minds" and a coaching winning them?

Originally posted by CougEd:

Leach did what Wulff did. Wulff did what all coaches do. They set their culture. And the truth is 18-22 year old kids and their parents have a tough time with it. Human nature to resist change.

But as I recall this was a huge issue with you when one coach does it, but not when you respect the coach taking over. What Leach did is no different than Wulff, and it is a non story on both accounts. Did I like the words Cowardice? nope. Did I like him trotting the lineman out after the Utah game? Nope.

But guess what, he is the coach. That is how he runs things. He is setting the tone and culture for his tenure.
Ed, we have discussed this and I am not going to rehash the same old thing again and again and again. What Leach did and what Wulff did are not the same. The situations they inherited are not the same.
 
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Originally posted by Coug1990:
Originally posted by chinookpirate:

Leach didn't come in and blow up the team?

He didn't refer to his players as zombies? Didn't say his linemens performance bordered on cowerdace?

some of you need to grow a pair.
This is the reason why it is useless to have a discussion with you. In this thread, there are several answers to these questions and why it is not relevant to what the article says.
That, and the third grade English skills...

Cowerdace?
 
Rodriguez seems like such a nice, warm and cuddly fellow

Who never, ever yells at anyone.
 
Re: WAsn't the artcile about "hearts and minds" and a coaching winning them?

Actually1990, you haven't actually discussed anything in this thread, you just keep repeating what you won't discuss.
 
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