Really, the week off is the best week yet.

[wulffui]

Watching all your competitors crash into the rocks while we sit still is about as much as you could have hoped for. We're not competing against an all-time Cougar team- the standard some seek- but a mediocre PXII.

I feel like Oregon's faceplant is from a higher place than ASU's, but man, that's two really steep descents.

 

[Cougatron]

My favorite part of ASU was when they said ASU hasn't allowed 5 passing TDs by QB in a decade....

oh man... great job Chris Ball..... absolutely great... what a fraud that guy is... Their pass defense has gone down every year he's been there. Started at #3 in the nation in 2012...then #72...in 2013...then...#106 in 2014...this year it will drop in a big big way... Graham probably will can him this year...because the way they are going to sink quickly and somebody will be the fall guy...and watch it will be Fraud Ball.

And of course the great Becovicci oh so much better than Falk...guy looked like crap...had a bunch of yards in prevent USC defense in the 4th quarter... Where is this experienced senior QB....oh no where because I knew he was fake with those hail marry BS wins.

Oregon ran into one of the best teams in the conference when they had no miracle mariota....that's how much in trouble Oregon was in...they had to go to eastern...and wait for the guy to barely pass a math test...to hopefully emergency have a chance.

 

[wulffui]

Bercovici had the same "honeymoon period" that Falk did last year- now, given the reins. he's been below average, and way below what was expected. Getting beat by seven TD's in your two showcase games will do that. Cal is ranked above Oregon going into next weekend, right?

 

[ElComanche]

Well this game is the litmus test of the season for the cougs. They have not really beat a good team yet. , New Mexico handily beat the pokes in Laramie 38-28.The cougs are improving week by week but need to really step it up against a good Cal team.I would not bet on this game one way or another, The cougs have the potential to win but they may get their butts kicked also,The cougs will have to be on thier A game from the opening kickoff to have a chance.

 

[MikeFingLeach]

We have plenty of issues, but so does the rest of the conference. We seem to be improving each week and have a great oppty to make some noise.

 

[CougPatrol]

I think we match up better with Oregon than Cal.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

I hope the staff made the team watch all these games together and said, "you can beat any of these guys," because it is completely true.

 

[YakiCoug]

Chris Ball can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch. He's that bad. And the future all Pac-12 safety Jordan Simone hardly helped his fans here who whined endlessly over Leach not giving him a schollie. As for "MB," yeah, that "body of work" is looking really good right now. Hahahaha.

My favorite part of ASU was when they said ASU hasn't allowed 5 passing TDs by QB in a decade....

oh man... great job Chris Ball..... absolutely great... what a fraud that guy is... Their pass defense has gone down every year he's been there. Started at #3 in the nation in 2012...then #72...in 2013...then...#106 in 2014...this year it will drop in a big big way... Graham probably will can him this year...because the way they are going to sink quickly and somebody will be the fall guy...and watch it will be Fraud Ball.

And of course the great Becovicci oh so much better than Falk...guy looked like crap...had a bunch of yards in prevent USC defense in the 4th quarter... Where is this experienced senior QB....oh no where because I knew he was fake with those hail marry BS wins.

Oregon ran into one of the best teams in the conference when they had no miracle mariota....that's how much in trouble Oregon was in...they had to go to eastern...and wait for the guy to barely pass a math test...to hopefully emergency have a chance.

 

[How_did_this_happen?]

My favorite part of ASU was when they said ASU hasn't allowed 5 passing TDs by QB in a decade....

oh man... great job Chris Ball..... absolutely great... what a fraud that guy is... Their pass defense has gone down every year he's been there. Started at #3 in the nation in 2012...then #72...in 2013...then...#106 in 2014...this year it will drop in a big big way... Graham probably will can him this year...because the way they are going to sink quickly and somebody will be the fall guy...and watch it will be Fraud Ball.

And of course the great Becovicci oh so much better than Falk...guy looked like crap...had a bunch of yards in prevent USC defense in the 4th quarter... Where is this experienced senior QB....oh no where because I knew he was fake with those hail marry BS wins.

Oregon ran into one of the best teams in the conference when they had no miracle mariota....that's how much in trouble Oregon was in...they had to go to eastern...and wait for the guy to barely pass a math test...to hopefully emergency have a chance.

Amazing to me that their program didn't have a good plan to plug in a HS all-American at QB after Mariota. Adams was clearly a quick fix.

 

[Cougatron]

Amazing to me that their program didn't have a good plan to plug in a HS all-American at QB after Mariota. Adams was clearly a quick fix.

They definitely have talented players but their offense is extra ordinarily QB dependent. Sort of like ours, but we don't have to have a dynamic playmaker at QB with his legs where Oregon sort of does to work to its full potential.

I had a feeling their defense was going to be really poor just by looking at their returning players.

You can look at the char here

Oregon had just 5 returning starters come back this year on defense. Only 1 in the secondary. Travis Wilson is by far no incredible passer as we've seen when we played him as well as others, and yet Oregon allowed 4 passing TDs... then to top it off they allowed 273 yards on the ground.

Oregon's defense was totally lost. They have 7 starters on offense, but no Mariotta and forget it.

But here's where it can get real ugly for Oregon...

They have 3 seniors on that offensive line. So O-line for them will definitely be a question mark, but defensively they are bad now but are about to become a giant disaster...

They have 6 seniors on defense. So this is kind of the first sign of the defensive implosion that is looming and it's going to be ugly for them.

Now to contrast that with what's going with us. We're going in the opposite direction trending upward in our roster.

We have 5/6 seniors on defense if you include Palacio...
Allison, Tailulu, McLennan/Palacio, Vaeo, Paulo

Every one of them have raw talent behind them that may be better.

Tago, Tapa, Hercules, Hunter Dale, Singleton, Hanser and pretty much all of those except Hanser I think have gotten some reps in. Also there are guys like Hameed, Hoyd and Leniu emerging.

Pretty much the exact opposite of what's going on at Oregon where they are about to lose the last of their core where we are trying to get our future on the field to finish the transition.

 

[YakiCoug]

Did Nick Allowalotti return as d-coordinator?

They definitely have talented players but their offense is extra ordinarily QB dependent. Sort of like ours, but we don't have to have a dynamic playmaker at QB with his legs where Oregon sort of does to work to its full potential.

I had a feeling their defense was going to be really poor just by looking at their returning players.

You can look at the char here

Oregon had just 5 returning starters come back this year on defense. Only 1 in the secondary. Travis Wilson is by far no incredible passer as we've seen when we played him as well as others, and yet Oregon allowed 4 passing TDs... then to top it off they allowed 273 yards on the ground.

Oregon's defense was totally lost. They have 7 starters on offense, but no Mariotta and forget it.

But here's where it can get real ugly for Oregon...

They have 3 seniors on that offensive line. So O-line for them will definitely be a question mark, but defensively they are bad now but are about to become a giant disaster...

They have 6 seniors on defense. So this is kind of the first sign of the defensive implosion that is looming and it's going to be ugly for them.

Now to contrast that with what's going with us. We're going in the opposite direction trending upward in our roster.

We have 5/6 seniors on defense if you include Palacio...
Allison, Tailulu, McLennan/Palacio, Vaeo, Paulo

Every one of them have raw talent behind them that may be better.

Tago, Tapa, Hercules, Hunter Dale, Singleton, Hanser and pretty much all of those except Hanser I think have gotten some reps in. Also there are guys like Hameed, Hoyd and Leniu emerging.

Pretty much the exact opposite of what's going on at Oregon where they are about to lose the last of their core where we are trying to get our future on the field to finish the transition.

 

[CougSinceBirth]

I said it in another thread too, but a lot of QB recruits didn't want to sit behind Mariota, so they didn't get "their" guy.

But for other reasons 'tron laid out above, they have plenty of other issues.

 

[kayak15]

Assuming that Oregon continues to struggle like they did last weekend then how long before Uncle Phil stomps his feet and demands a coaching change? When he grew tired of Moos and Kent they were soon ousted. Helfrich is next?

 

[405 Coug]

WE moved from last to 3rd in the North division and didn't play a games, now that is hard to beat.

 

[M-I-Coug]

Assuming that Oregon continues to struggle like they did last weekend then how long before Uncle Phil stomps his feet and demands a coaching change? When he grew tired of Moos and Kent they were soon ousted. Helfrich is next?

Ya know, I just don't understand why people cannot understand a simple law or rule. "There is a time for everything". There is a time to win and a time to lose. There will be seasons of winning and seasons of losing. Nobody can sustain winning every game. Just because Oregon has one bad game or one bad year, does that mean Phil Knight needs to fire Helfrich? Look at the Sea-Losers. They lost the first two games, and certainly will not go to the SuperBowl this year, and will be lucky to make it to the playoffs! The COUGS will have their day again. There is a season for everything. A time to Win and a time to Lose. Nothing can change that. In short, Oregon and USC can never sustain their greatness year after year after year after year after year. It's simply against the law.

 

[CougEd]

They definitely have talented players but their offense is extra ordinarily QB dependent. Sort of like ours, but we don't have to have a dynamic playmaker at QB with his legs where Oregon sort of does to work to its full potential.

I had a feeling their defense was going to be really poor just by looking at their returning players.

You can look at the char here

Oregon had just 5 returning starters come back this year on defense. Only 1 in the secondary. Travis Wilson is by far no incredible passer as we've seen when we played him as well as others, and yet Oregon allowed 4 passing TDs... then to top it off they allowed 273 yards on the ground.

Oregon's defense was totally lost. They have 7 starters on offense, but no Mariotta and forget it.

But here's where it can get real ugly for Oregon...

They have 3 seniors on that offensive line. So O-line for them will definitely be a question mark, but defensively they are bad now but are about to become a giant disaster...

They have 6 seniors on defense. So this is kind of the first sign of the defensive implosion that is looming and it's going to be ugly for them.

Now to contrast that with what's going with us. We're going in the opposite direction trending upward in our roster.

We have 5/6 seniors on defense if you include Palacio...
Allison, Tailulu, McLennan/Palacio, Vaeo, Paulo

Every one of them have raw talent behind them that may be better.

Tago, Tapa, Hercules, Hunter Dale, Singleton, Hanser and pretty much all of those except Hanser I think have gotten some reps in. Also there are guys like Hameed, Hoyd and Leniu emerging.

Pretty much the exact opposite of what's going on at Oregon where they are about to lose the last of their core where we are trying to get our future on the field to finish the transition.

Who are our best 5 defensive players? We may be at this point better than Oregon on defense. But why is our raw talent better than theirs? Weren't we behind them in terms of recruiting rankings? I have zero idea what Oregon has on their bench. Singleton hasn't played. Tago seems to have tons of upside. Dale, who knows. Seems to be the last man to get reps. Leniu?

I am not saying these payers aren't going to be players, but what makes you think Oregon doesn't have a Hunter Dale of their own?

 

[Cougatron]

Who are our best 5 defensive players? We may be at this point better than Oregon on defense. But why is our raw talent better than theirs? Weren't we behind them in terms of recruiting rankings? I have zero idea what Oregon has on their bench. Singleton hasn't played. Tago seems to have tons of upside. Dale, who knows. Seems to be the last man to get reps. Leniu?

I am not saying these payers aren't going to be players, but what makes you think Oregon doesn't have a Hunter Dale of their own?

We are behind them in recruiting rankings but I don't see their two deep developing well. Their secondary will be better from where it is right now, It's very young but basically their starting LBs right now will disappear like their starting DBs did last year. All 4 LBs are seniors. They'll have guys like Mattingly out there next yea but still it will be like this year where there is a tremendous difference in everybody learning on the job.

They also lose starting NT and both DEs as well. So basically out of the Front seven they lose 7 next year. Yes there are some talented kids on the team...but 7 out of 7 is not good to lose.

 

[CougEd]

We are behind them in recruiting rankings but I don't see their two deep developing well. Their secondary will be better from where it is right now, It's very young but basically their starting LBs right now will disappear like their starting DBs did last year. All 4 LBs are seniors. They'll have guys like Mattingly out there next yea but still it will be like this year where there is a tremendous difference in everybody learning on the job.

They also lose starting NT and both DEs as well. So basically out of the Front seven they lose 7 next year. Yes there are some talented kids on the team...but 7 out of 7 is not good to lose.

It has been said our 5 best defensive players not in any particular order are Destiny, Allison, Paulo, Palacio, McClennan. Five of those players are in the front seven. And Destiny plays probably 85% of the snaps. I just don't get how Oregon players will have a learning curve and ours won't. Or how there 3 and 4 star recruits that we haven't seen are worse off than our 3 star guys?

 

[Cougatron]

It has been said our 5 best defensive players not in any particular order are Destiny, Allison, Paulo, Palacio, McClennan. Five of those players are in the front seven. And Destiny plays probably 85% of the snaps. I just don't get how Oregon players will have a learning curve and ours won't. Or how there 3 and 4 star recruits that we haven't seen are worse off than our 3 star guys?

Pelluer still going to be here, Tago still going to be here, Mataafa still here, Barber/Eukale still here, Mitchell still here, Tapa Still here. All of the secondary still here.

Leniu, Hameed, Hoyd all going to still be here.
Porter is here as is Hanser.

I just see us taking a great step forward with a lot of people coming back with experience, and even more athleticism. Where as Oregon isn't getting a lot of experience out there and is crumbling with a senior front 7. If your front 7 is all seniors and you are getting destroyed there is going to be problems ahead.

In our front seven we have 4 seniors.

Luvu/Tago will replace Allison
Mataafa will replace Vaeo
Mitchell will replace Paulo
Hanser will replace McLennan/Palacio

I think we'll be taking another step forward considering all the rest will be the same.

So ultimately we have 4 spots to improve / get better at position wise and I think that's easily done by who we have in the two deep.

Oregon will have good players but they will be extremely raw and with all the starters as seniors I don't see them developing quickly where as everyone I mentioned is getting in.

What it all comes down to is..we are young but gaining experience.

Oregon is old and is losing it while the youth doesn't get experience.

We're in a better position then they are.

 

[CougEd]

Pelluer still going to be here, Tago still going to be here, Mataafa still here, Barber/Eukale still here, Mitchell still here, Tapa Still here. All of the secondary still here.

Leniu, Hameed, Hoyd all going to still be here.
Porter is here as is Hanser.

I just see us taking a great step forward with a lot of people coming back with experience, and even more athleticism. Where as Oregon isn't getting a lot of experience out there and is crumbling with a senior front 7. If your front 7 is all seniors and you are getting destroyed there is going to be problems ahead.

In our front seven we have 4 seniors.

Luvu/Tago will replace Allison
Mataafa will replace Vaeo
Mitchell will replace Paulo
Hanser will replace McLennan/Palacio

I think we'll be taking another step forward considering all the rest will be the same.

So ultimately we have 4 spots to improve / get better at position wise and I think that's easily done by who we have in the two deep.

Oregon will have good players but they will be extremely raw and with all the starters as seniors I don't see them developing quickly where as everyone I mentioned is getting in.

What it all comes down to is..we are young but gaining experience.

Oregon is old and is losing it while the youth doesn't get experience.

We're in a better position then they are.

Tron... When has Hanser played? Have I missed it? Destiny getting 9 out of every 10 snaps. Who is gaining experience? Hameed? He hasn't seen the field this year and how many games did he play in last year? Has Tago played? Luvu has impressed, but he hasn't played that position that I am aware of.

I have zero idea how many snaps Oregon's back ups or youth have played, but you believe it is way less than Hameed? Tago? Hanser?

 

[Cougatron]

Tron... When has Hanser played? Have I missed it? Destiny getting 9 out of every 10 snaps. Who is gaining experience? Hameed? He hasn't seen the field this year and how many games did he play in last year? Has Tago played? Luvu has impressed, but he hasn't played that position that I am aware of.

I have zero idea how many snaps Oregon's back ups or youth have played, but you believe it is way less than Hameed? Tago? Hanser?

Hanser plays on special teams last year, and he's playing this year already registered 3 tackles this year. Has Tago played? Already has 3 tackles and half a tackle for loss. Luvu hasn't played that position...yes he has 3 Tackles already.

Hameed already played in six games and has 3 starts.


Here are the top tacklers for Oregon


Joe Walker SR LB 4 10 19 29 7.25
2 Arrion Springs SO DB 4 14 9 23 5.75
3 DeForest Buckner SR DL 4 9 12 21 5.25
4 Rodney Hardrick SR LB 4 8 13 21 5.25
5 Christian French SR LB 4 5 13 18 4.50
6 Reggie Daniels JR DB 4 9 8 17 4.25
7 Tyson Coleman SR LB 4 6 10 16 4.00
8 Ugo Amadi FR DB 4 10 3 13 3.25
9 Chris Seisay SO DB 2 9 3 12 6.00
10 Alex Balducci SR DL 4 1 11 12 3.00
11 Juwaan Williams SO DB 4 8 3 11 2.75
12 Tui Talia SR DL 4 3 7 10 2.50


So out of the top 12 players making tackles on defense. 7 are leaving...from a team that just allowed Utah to put up 60+

Here's us

1 Jeremiah Allison SR LB 3 16 13 29 9.67
2 Peyton Pelluer SO LB 3 15 12 27 9.00
3 Shalom Luani JR DB 3 17 5 22 7.33
4 Destiny Vaeao SR DL 3 5 7 12 4.00
5 Kache Palacio SR LB 3 10 0 10 3.33
6 Isaac Dotson SO DB 2 9 1 10 5.00
7 Charleston White SO DB 3 9 1 10 3.33
8 Taylor Taliulu SR DB 3 8 2 10 3.33
9 Parker Henry JR LB 3 5 4 9 3.00
10 Marcellus Pippins SO DB 3 7 1 8 2.67
11 Darrien Molton FR DB 3 6 2 8 2.67
12 Ivan McLennan SR LB 3

5 Players leaving... as you can see they don't have a single LB under classmen in their top 12. And in their top 7 tackles... 2 are coming back... where as in our top 7 we have 4.

They aren't a team that is rebuilding. They were in the national title game last year. After this senior class splits they are in trouble. Will they have players...yes...will they be experienced... no.

Will we be experienced? Yes.

 

[CougPatrol]

It has been said our 5 best defensive players not in any particular order are Destiny, Allison, Paulo, Palacio, McClennan. Five of those players are in the front seven. And Destiny plays probably 85% of the snaps. I just don't get how Oregon players will have a learning curve and ours won't. Or how there 3 and 4 star recruits that we haven't seen are worse off than our 3 star guys?

One explanation is that Oregon's program (and roster) is mature, while ours is still wildly volatile. What I mean is, the talent we're bringing in and developing is (likely) better than the guys they're replacing. With another year in the system, I think Matafa will be better than anyone on our current defensive line. Barber, Mitchell, and Ekuale won't be a noticeable dropoff from this years group, if at all IMO. If Toki comes in, and I still that's an if, then I believe our DL as a whole will be better.

I think most people would agree that our secondary should only improve in the coming seasons, given the young talent we have back there. Below is how we look at linebacker. Allison is a solid player, but like the DL, I think we'll be better (and certainly faster) in 2016.

2015
McClennan
Dotson
Pelluer
Allison

2016
Leinu
Dotson
Pelluer
Luvu
Tago

You won't hear me say that we're going to be more talented than other Pac-12 programs next season, but I do think we'll take the biggest step forward in 2016.

Next year, will the be the first time in over a decade where I feel that our roster can legitimately compete with everyone on our schedule; especially at home (where we've stunk for ages). 2016 is the no excuses season.

 

[CougEd]

Hanser plays on special teams last year, and he's playing this year already registered 3 tackles this year. Has Tago played? Already has 3 tackles and half a tackle for loss. Luvu hasn't played that position...yes he has 3 Tackles already.

Hameed already played in six games and has 3 starts.


Here are the top tacklers for Oregon


Joe Walker SR LB 4 10 19 29 7.25
2 Arrion Springs SO DB 4 14 9 23 5.75
3 DeForest Buckner SR DL 4 9 12 21 5.25
4 Rodney Hardrick SR LB 4 8 13 21 5.25
5 Christian French SR LB 4 5 13 18 4.50
6 Reggie Daniels JR DB 4 9 8 17 4.25
7 Tyson Coleman SR LB 4 6 10 16 4.00
8 Ugo Amadi FR DB 4 10 3 13 3.25
9 Chris Seisay SO DB 2 9 3 12 6.00
10 Alex Balducci SR DL 4 1 11 12 3.00
11 Juwaan Williams SO DB 4 8 3 11 2.75
12 Tui Talia SR DL 4 3 7 10 2.50


So out of the top 12 players making tackles on defense. 7 are leaving...from a team that just allowed Utah to put up 60+

Here's us

1 Jeremiah Allison SR LB 3 16 13 29 9.67
2 Peyton Pelluer SO LB 3 15 12 27 9.00
3 Shalom Luani JR DB 3 17 5 22 7.33
4 Destiny Vaeao SR DL 3 5 7 12 4.00
5 Kache Palacio SR LB 3 10 0 10 3.33
6 Isaac Dotson SO DB 2 9 1 10 5.00
7 Charleston White SO DB 3 9 1 10 3.33
8 Taylor Taliulu SR DB 3 8 2 10 3.33
9 Parker Henry JR LB 3 5 4 9 3.00
10 Marcellus Pippins SO DB 3 7 1 8 2.67
11 Darrien Molton FR DB 3 6 2 8 2.67
12 Ivan McLennan SR LB 3

5 Players leaving... as you can see they don't have a single LB under classmen in their top 12. And in their top 7 tackles... 2 are coming back... where as in our top 7 we have 4.

They aren't a team that is rebuilding. They were in the national title game last year. After this senior class splits they are in trouble. Will they have players...yes...will they be experienced... no.

Will we be experienced? Yes.

Are any of those tackles on special teams?

 

[CougEd]

One explanation is that Oregon's program (and roster) is mature, while ours is still wildly volatile. What I mean is, the talent we're bringing in and developing is (likely) better than the guys they're replacing. With another year in the system, I think Matafa will be better than anyone on our current defensive line. Barber, Mitchell, and Ekuale won't be a noticeable dropoff from this years group, if at all IMO. If Toki comes in, and I still that's an if, then I believe our DL as a whole will be better.

I think most people would agree that our secondary should only improve in the coming seasons, given the young talent we have back there. Below is how we look at linebacker. Allison is a solid player, but like the DL, I think we'll be better (and certainly faster) in 2016.

2015
McClennan
Dotson
Pelluer
Allison

2016
Leinu
Dotson
Pelluer
Luvu
Tago

You won't hear me say that we're going to be more talented than other Pac-12 programs next season, but I do think we'll take the biggest step forward in 2016.

Next year, will the be the first time in over a decade where I feel that our roster can legitimately compete with everyone on our schedule; especially at home (where we've stunk for ages). 2016 is the no excuses season.

Is Tago the kid that had two face mask penalties in the same series? He has very good acceleration to the ball, just a matter where they decide to play him.

I have zero idea who is on the bench for Oregon. But I think it is curious we think we are trending up and they are trending down and yet two 3/4's of dline line (Palacio/Mclennan rush linebackers) lose Allison--and yet we are trending up and the back ups have gotten very little time because we have three tight games. I am not saying they aren't more talented, but they won't have nearly the experience. And I think it will be more of a surprise to me if Toki makes it in versus if he doesn't. And I hope I am dead wrong, but he may just be one of those kids who college is not for them.

And we should be able to compete with everyone on this years schedule. ASu has problems. Loss of two OT's and Strong has made Mike B look less than average. Soloman was a turnover machine. Adams looks lost. Hogan looks like a world-beater the last two games and he throws more side arm than Dennis Eckersly. Rosen/Brown look good one weekend, horrible the next. The two best teams in the conference may be Utah and USC and we don't play them. We had 8 winnable games on the schedule. After seeing what happened this weekend I would say nine. We booted one, but there are at least six winnable games, if not 7.

 

[Cougatron]

Are any of those tackles on special teams?

Most of them aren't registered by special teams etc. We've had a total of 9 punts and 18 kickoffs.

Only 3 punts have been returned (1 for a TD) so only 2 tackles are there for anybody on the defense.
On kickoffs 16 kicks have been returned (1 for a TD) so only 15 tackles are there for anybody on defense.

So total there have been 17 tackles on special teams an incredibly minuscule number. Most of the players mentioned tackles came during regular defensive plays.

 

[CougPatrol]

I don't think Stanford is a winnable game anymore, but I think Oregon might me. Stanford is a nightmare matchup for us. Load up the offensive line, and run their speed laterally. Splash in some play action and we'll bite every time.

What we don't know is how the conference will defend our passing attack. So far, I'm less than impressed with the defensive play in our league.

 

[kayak15]

Ya know, I just don't understand why people cannot understand a simple law or rule. "There is a time for everything". There is a time to win and a time to lose. There will be seasons of winning and seasons of losing. Nobody can sustain winning every game. Just because Oregon has one bad game or one bad year, does that mean Phil Knight needs to fire Helfrich? Look at the Sea-Losers. They lost the first two games, and certainly will not go to the SuperBowl this year, and will be lucky to make it to the playoffs! The COUGS will have their day again. There is a season for everything. A time to Win and a time to Lose. Nothing can change that. In short, Oregon and USC can never sustain their greatness year after year after year after year after year. It's simply against the law.

I agree and understand. But do Uncle Phil and the Duck fan base understand? The fans, no. Uncle Phil? I don't know. He has shown a bit of impatience at times. Knight holds the purse strings and will be the determining factor in Helfrich's tenure.

 

[CougEd]

Most of them aren't registered by special teams etc. We've had a total of 9 punts and 18 kickoffs.

Only 3 punts have been returned (1 for a TD) so only 2 tackles are there for anybody on the defense.
On kickoffs 16 kicks have been returned (1 for a TD) so only 15 tackles are there for anybody on defense.

So total there have been 17 tackles on special teams an incredibly minuscule number. Most of the players mentioned tackles came during regular defensive plays.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know this? You broke down the film?

 

[Cougatron]

Just out of curiosity, how do you know this? You broke down the film?

I can just basically use my brain.

1st of all you look at how many kickoffs have been returned.

See it says that there have been 18 kickoffs and 2 touchbacks... 18-2 = 16. So that means there have been 16 kickoffs where a tackle could be made.

Then you subtract any TDs which we had 1 against Rutgers... and that leaves 15 tackle opportunities.

On punts you look at how many punts have been returned. Which we have had 3 returned.. and subtract TDs...that leaves 2 tackle opportunities.

15 + 2 = 17 total tackle opportunities.

Now looking at tackles total for the team.

That's 136 total tackles for the team.

so out of 136 total tackles 17 were on special teams. 12% of the total tackles.

We know Pelleur had 1 tackle that I distinctly remember on kickoff. Powell himself has 2 tackles.

So that's down to 14-15 total tackle opportunities... Considering many of the starters play on special teams including Allison it should come to be a surprise that people are playing in the game on defense. You didn't even know who tago was or that he even played until today.

 

[CougPatrol]

Is Tago the kid that had two face mask penalties in the same series? He has very good acceleration to the ball, just a matter where they decide to play him.

Yes, and I noticed he just got moved up to 2nd string nickel back this week, behind Dotson. He's very raw, as are most true freshmen, but he's explosive. At 6'3 / 228 already, I see him possibly starting at rush lb next season.

It'll be interesting to see if Grinch is legit, because the defense could be pretty salty next season. They'll also be working against an offense that returns virtually every skill position player in Spring and Fall ball 2016. That can't hurt.

 

[CougEd]

Do you know how many snaps the players you say are gaining experience are taking per game? And yes I know who Pago is as I believe I referenced his two facemasks

 

[CougEd]

Yes, and I noticed he just got moved up to 2nd string nickel back this week, behind Dotson. He's very raw, as are most true freshmen, but he's explosive. At 6'3 / 228 already, I see him possibly starting at rush lb next season.

It'll be interesting to see if Grinch is legit, because the defense could be pretty salty next season. They'll also be working against an offense that returns virtually every skill position player in Spring and Fall ball 2016. That can't hurt.

The kid is explosive. Why not have him near the line of scrimmage and why not get him more snaps? He showed he can be a playmaker.

Salty, I would settle or functional.

 

[Cougatron]

Do you know how many snaps the players you say are gaining experience are taking per game? And yes I know who Pago is as I believe I referenced his two facemasks

After people mentioned him. YOU asked Did Tago play? Which if you knew you would have known the answer and wouldn't have to ask.

I don't know exactly how many snaps they are taking, but since they are registering contributions they are indeed playing and getting experience. If they weren't getting snaps...then they wouldn't be registering contributions.

 

[CougEd]

After people mentioned him. YOU asked Did Tago play? Which if you knew you would have known the answer and wouldn't have to ask.

I don't know exactly how many snaps they are taking, but since they are registering contributions they are indeed playing and getting experience. If they weren't getting snaps...then they wouldn't be registering contributions.

First, it was a typo. Switch Tago with Luvu in initial question. Tago was very impressive. Yes, I know Luvu has taken a couple of snaps. But to say the kids are gaining more experience than another team is incorrect, You may feel they are better than Oregon's young kids, but I would venture to say their young players are getting comparable snaps as our young players. The only way to know who is getting experience is literally counting snap after snap.

Luvu for example could have 5 snaps against Oregon from scrimmage and make a tackle. 5 snaps out of 65 is not a lot of experience. My guess with Allison he wont get a lot of snaps.

 

[Cougatron]

First, it was a typo. Switch Tago with Luvu in initial question. Tago was very impressive. Yes, I know Luvu has taken a couple of snaps. But to say the kids are gaining more experience than another team is incorrect, You may feel they are better than Oregon's young kids, but I would venture to say their young players are getting comparable snaps as our young players. The only way to know who is getting experience is literally counting snap after snap.

Luvu for example could have 5 snaps against Oregon from scrimmage and make a tackle. 5 snaps out of 65 is not a lot of experience. My guess with Allison he wont get a lot of snaps.

Luvu had two forced fumbles last year and played on special teams for 8 games in addition to coming in for Allison occasionally. He's getting experience.

If they are starting more seniors...which they are...then they can't give returners more snaps.

We have more people in our 2 deep returning then they do. So by virtue of them having more seniors we are already giving more snaps to future players.

Every snap a senior takes is 1 less that the future has. So if they have more they automatically are giving more snaps than we are to the future.

Here's their two deep

DE 44 Buckner, DeForest SR/3 45 Daniel, T.J. RS JR/2 99 Kaumatule, Canton FR
NT 56 Balducci, Alex SR/3 50 Maloata, Austin SO
DE 55 Talia, Tui SR 92 Mondeaux, Henry SO
OLB 33 Coleman, Tyson RS SR/3 86 Prevot, Torrodney JR/2
ILB 48 Hardrick, Rodney RS SR/3 28 Ragin III, Johnny JR/TR
ILB 35 Walker, Joe SR 18 Swain, Jimmie SO 46 Mattingly, Danny RS SO
OLB 96 French, Christian RS SR/3 52 Faulhaber, Ivan RS SO 32 Heard, Eddie RS SO/TR
CB 12 Seisay, Chris RS SO 10 Griffin, Ty RS SO
FS 3 Robinson, Tyree RS SO 26 Oliver, Khalil RS FR
SS 8 Daniels, Reggie RS JR 17 Williams, Juwaan RS SO
CB 1 Springs, Arrion SO 14 Amadi, Ugo FR

That's the entire starting DL. That's the entire starting LBs.

So basically to compare...

That would be if Vaeo, Allison, Pelleur, Barber, Palacio, Paulo, Dotson,

were all leaving. We have 3 that will be back next year. Tago will probably see again more playing time if Dotson is still out.

If their front 7 is all seniors...and ours is not...then most certainly we will have more snaps for the future than they will.

 

[YakiCoug]

Tron... When has Hanser played? Have I missed it? Destiny getting 9 out of every 10 snaps. Who is gaining experience? Hameed? He hasn't seen the field this year and how many games did he play in last year? Has Tago played? Luvu has impressed, but he hasn't played that position that I am aware of.

I have zero idea how many snaps Oregon's back ups or youth have played, but you believe it is way less than Hameed? Tago? Hanser?

There's this thing called the "game participation" listing in the official stats. You should try reading it. For a fee, I'll help you if you wish.

 

[longtimecoug]

Assuming that Oregon continues to struggle like they did last weekend then how long before Uncle Phil stomps his feet and demands a coaching change? When he grew tired of Moos and Kent they were soon ousted. Helfrich is next?

if it continues he will be on the hot seat next year to return to the glory days, he won't be fired this year, but Pellum likely will be if the defense keeps playing poorly