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Rolo applies for religious exemption

Vaccines don't slow the spread of viruses? Lie down, raise you feet, push your medi-alert button, because you are losing touch with reality

You can't be serious. See below, it took me about 2 seconds on Google. And there are dozens of studies like it. Oh that right, its part of a world-wide, 300 year, conspiracy to lie about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.


One more time...
 
Over a 7 day period, no relationship between vaccination rates and infections in 68 countries and the US, is what it says.

Why only seven days? Why just 69 countries?

Most Glaring Problem: The study excludes health data from many major western countries such a Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, Norway, Finland, the UK, France and Germany, among other countries, with arguably the most accurate and readily available data, without explanation, but includes "data" from India, Somalia, North Macedonia, Mali, Libya, Angola, Djibouti and Sao Tome and Principe, among many others, countries known to have extremely poor and grossly inaccurate data due to extreme poverty and/or civil war. Bottom line: they cherry picked data and are blowing smoke up your, and other anti-vaxxers', gullible arses with it.

Problem: a 7 day period is the way too short for meaningful extrapolation on a longitudinal basis. They chose 7 days because? No explanation given! Were they too busy to consider more data over a longer period? Selective time periods are a common means of cherry picking data, This week's data supports my hypothesis, this week's data doesn't. I'll chose the week that does, and ignore the week that doesn't.

Because vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing disease and because a percentage of people are unvaccinated, if you have a major outbreak of the virus the infection rate will go up due to prevalence in a community, Israel. Likewise, after the virus has ravaged communities, the prevalence will then fall, based on developed immunity and because death all around is a strong motivator to get vaccinated, Mississippi. Problem: the study assumes a constant prevalence on a week over week period. Numbers actually show a current downward prevalence, and there hasn't been a constant with Covid.

Finally, it is an outlier, inconsistent with multiple other studies, and the conclusions of virtual every national health association on the planet.

A WSU education is a great great thing!
 
You really need to find a better article to hang your hat on. At this point, I won't even refer to that paper as a study. It has too many problems to be considered even faintly scientific.

It's written by a Professor of Population Health and Geography and a Canadian high school teacher. The professor is known for statistical analysis, yet the paper includes no statistical analysis. Why would you think that would happen? Maybe because he knows it doesn't hold up?

The data set they took their global data from includes 122,641 data sets covering 225 countries and regions. They selected 68 data sets that exclude almost all of Europe, and seem to favor small countries that are frequently either islands or third world (which should lead one to ask how accurate their data is). Cherry picking much?

They selected two 1-week periods to draw conclusions on, rather than looking at multiple periods or at longer consecutive ones. Those data points were available in the table they referenced, but they elected to exclude them.

The ultimate argument is this: the statistics don't work. The simplest analysis of the data generates low P and R-squared values, which indicates that there's an association between vaccine rates and new cases, but that one is not well predicted by the other. However, as someone else pointed out, this could be developed by picking favorable data. I looked at the global data set again, and selected the most recent data points (all after August 20) which included new cases, vax rate, and either a case rate or population. That provided data for 188 countries, instead of just 68. Charting and analyzing the same data, it breaks down even further. The P value rises by a factor of 10, indicating less association, and the R-squared falls by 8x, indicating an even poorer explanation. In short, the argument that vaccination rates correspond to increasing case count is not supported by analysis.
 
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Prior to Covid, no vaccine had been approved for emergency use authorization. Ever.
Prior to covid in the last 60 years lets say, when has the economy been taken offline, and when did New York and other cities have such overcrowded hospitals to the extent where other services weren't met? When did we ever have in last 60 years did we have 360 million people that could take part in a clinical trial? When did we have the medical break throughs that we have now that allows us to get all of the clinical work done and reviewed and only thing holding back full FDA approval was to make sure the manufacturing was up to snuff. Which it was.
You really need to find a better article to hang your hat on. At this point, I won't even refer to that paper as a study. It has too many problems to be considered even faintly scientific.

It's written by a Professor of Population Health and Geography and a Canadian high school teacher. The professor is known for statistical analysis, yet the paper includes no statistical analysis. Why would you think that would happen? Maybe because he knows it doesn't hold up?

The data set they took their global data from includes 122,641 data sets covering 225 countries and regions. They selected 68 data sets that exclude almost all of Europe, and seem to favor small countries that are frequently either islands or third world (which should lead one to ask how accurate their data is). Cherry picking much?

They selected two 1-week periods to draw conclusions on, rather than looking at multiple periods or at longer consecutive ones. Those data points were available in the table they referenced, but they elected to exclude them.

The ultimate argument is this: the statistics don't work. The simplest analysis of the data generates low P and R-squared values, which indicates that there's an association between vaccine rates and new cases, but that one is not well predicted by the other. However, as someone else pointed out, this could be developed by picking favorable data. I looked at the global data set again, and selected the most recent data points (all after August 20) which included new cases, vax rate, and either a case rate or population. That provided data for 188 countries, instead of just 68. Charting and analyzing the same data, it breaks down even further. The P value rises by a factor of 10, indicating less association, and the R-squared falls by 8x, indicating an even poorer explanation. In short, the argument that vaccination rates correspond to increasing case count is not supported by analysis.
Double Ouch.
 
And yet this is a rushed and experimental "vaccine".

We also have very good therapeutics for covid, but the payback to big pharma isn't nearly as profitable.

Remember, Stephen Cobert is not a scientist Willie. 😉
Alright I’m trying to stay out of this but really? Rushed and experimental vaccines…but the therapeutics developed in the same timeframe are “very good”? You’ve got to be F’ing kidding.
 
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Oh it’s muddy for sure. Who and how do you evaluate who has legit religious beliefs?

The legal battle could last a while. In the mean time, who hires Turd to coach at the college level while wrapped in a legal battle with his former university?
when June Jones spoke bout rolo's reasons he said" he doesn't think he needs it, doesn't want it and doesn't want anyone telling him what to do" no mention of his deeply held religious views. Most likely because there are none, his exemption on religious grounds is bogus
 
when June Jones spoke bout rolo's reasons he said" he doesn't think he needs it, doesn't want it and doesn't want anyone telling him what to do" no mention of his deeply held religious views. Most likely because there are none, his exemption on religious grounds is bogus

The Pope being vaccinated and telling people being vaccinated is an act of love doesn’t help.

He is not going to be here long.
 
when June Jones spoke bout rolo's reasons he said" he doesn't think he needs it, doesn't want it and doesn't want anyone telling him what to do" no mention of his deeply held religious views. Most likely because there are none, his exemption on religious grounds is bogus
Trying to use a religious dodge because he is utterly self absorbed. Why doesn't it surprise me? Burn those bridges, baby.
 
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when June Jones spoke bout rolo's reasons he said" he doesn't think he needs it, doesn't want it and doesn't want anyone telling him what to do" no mention of his deeply held religious views. Most likely because there are none, his exemption on religious grounds is bogus
Highly doubt his exemption request won’t say any about not needing and not Bering told what to do. It’s amazing the number of highly religious employees we have applying for the exemption with the fetal cell objection. It’s almost like the googled it and copied it right into the form.
 
Or...we could just approve things based on the available data and evidence for the specific situation in need. Doesn't have to be an either/or - all or nothing approval process. Taihtsat

Just out of curiosity.. do you really need to always say that's all you have to say about that? We get it...that's all you have to say about that
 
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Or...we could just approve things based on the available data and evidence for the specific situation in need. Doesn't have to be an either/or - all or nothing approval process. Taihtsat
I'd be really curious who is processing all these requests and how thorough they are. Saw a couple tweets and it looks like an overwhelming majority of religious exemptions have been approved by the state, so that's not necessarily the hurdle. It's getting accommodations.

Basically, getting someone at WSU to say, "You're a Christian Scientist now? Ok, if you say so." is not the end of this. It's WSU saying, "Ok, you're not vaxxed, here's what we'll do to accommodate you."
 
It doesn’t matter if a church has been outspoken on if people should get the vaccine. If Rolo can prove that the vaccine is against his moral judgement than he can get an exemption. It doesn’t matter what anybody writes on here or their personal beliefs on the matter. Rolo is protected under federal laws for religion. It doesn’t matter if the Pope himself said take the vaccine. If Rolo can prove to WSU that taking vaccine is against his moral conscience for a specific reason he can get an exemption. WSU has over 1200 request for medical or religious exemption and over 800 approved that is a pretty damn high rate so it’s highly possible that he will get approved.

The question is if the request for exemption is valid by the committee will his supervisors IE Chun and Schulz give him accommodations.

Now can we please shut up about this?
 
Highly doubt his exemption request won’t say any about not needing and not Bering told what to do. It’s amazing the number of highly religious employees we have applying for the exemption with the fetal cell objection. It’s almost like the googled it and copied it right into the form.
As Rolo is on record as stating many many times, "every fetal cell line is sacred, every fetal cell line is devine." But even if his waiver is granted, he has to get over the reasonable accommodation hurdle as well. Can you be an on-line football coach? Chun States: “I don’t think it’s a judgment call.”

All because Rolo doesn't like being told what to do. Really! This is a bad joke. What we need is a coach who bleeds crimson, first, like the rest of us.
 
As Rolo is on record as stating many many times, "every fetal cell line is sacred, every fetal cell line is devine." But even if his waiver is granted, he has to get over the reasonable accommodation hurdle as well. Can you be an on-line football coach? Chun States: “I don’t think it’s a judgment call.”

All because Rolo doesn't like being told what to do. Really! This is a bad joke. What we need is a coach who bleeds crimson, first, like the rest of us.
He's been coaching the team unvaxxed all year. Does anything change on 10/18?
 
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I'd be really curious who is processing all these requests and how thorough they are. Saw a couple tweets and it looks like an overwhelming majority of religious exemptions have been approved by the state, so that's not necessarily the hurdle. It's getting accommodations.

Basically, getting someone at WSU to say, "You're a Christian Scientist now? Ok, if you say so." is not the end of this. It's WSU saying, "Ok, you're not vaxxed, here's what we'll do to accommodate you."

I don't think the standard is that high. If, for example, Rolovich states that he has not had any vaccine since reaching age 18 and then was able to decide for himself, and that is due to use of the fetal cell lines, he's Catholic as far as I know. That may be all it takes if these numbers on exemption requests and approvals are accurate.

As far as the accommodations go, he's been coaching with a mask and doing media appearances remotely. Seems like the accommodations are already figured out.
 
I don't think the standard is that high. If, for example, Rolovich states that he has not had any vaccine since reaching age 18 and then was able to decide for himself, and that is due to use of the fetal cell lines, he's Catholic as far as I know. That may be all it takes if these numbers on exemption requests and approvals are accurate.

As far as the accommodations go, he's been coaching with a mask and doing media appearances remotely. Seems like the accommodations are already figured out.
The question is the offseason. Could him being nonvaxxed impact recruiting if certain families don't want in home visits with a nonvaxxed coach? What about WSU fundraising functions? How will his non vax status impact those? I think he can fully function right now and perform his job duties. I don't think it will impact him as much as lot of Coug fans want. We still don't know Mike Leach's status, Bryan Harsin isn't getting fired for being not vaccinated. It's the part of the country we are in.
 
What will the accommodations look like?
I don't know. What accommodations does he specifically need that he's not already getting? As of right now, I can't really think of any reason he couldn't, theoretically, continue coaching the team exactly as he has been.

Now, if something changes, and he's not allowed on certain campuses, or in high schools or on an airplane, then that changes things.

For right now though, I don't really see why he would be able to coach the team on 10/17 and not on 10/18.
 
The question is the offseason. Could him being nonvaxxed impact recruiting if certain families don't want in home visits with a nonvaxxed coach? What about WSU fundraising functions? How will his non vax status impact those? I think he can fully function right now and perform his job duties. I don't think it will impact him as much as lot of Coug fans want. We still don't know Mike Leach's status, Bryan Harsin isn't getting fired for being not vaccinated. It's the part of the country we are in.
The recruiting thing would be muddy. Recruits decline in home and official visits all the time. Would WSU need a recruit or family to go on record stating it was specifically Rolo's vax stance that made their decision?
 
The question is the offseason. Could him being nonvaxxed impact recruiting if certain families don't want in home visits with a nonvaxxed coach? What about WSU fundraising functions? How will his non vax status impact those? I think he can fully function right now and perform his job duties. I don't think it will impact him as much as lot of Coug fans want. We still don't know Mike Leach's status, Bryan Harsin isn't getting fired for being not vaccinated. It's the part of the country we are in.

Certain families may not want their kids being visited by a vaccinated coach. Of course that's heresy in this part of the country....
 
I guess the same reason you tagged Mr. Hand eating Spicolli's pizza on every one of your posts. Taihtsat
It's called a signature and he doesn't have to type out some dumb azz mile-long acronym every time he posts. For someone who thinks they're a genius, you sure have a hard time with elementary level problem solving.
 
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