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I wanna say this about WA high school football... The state as a whole is not so talented and teams so deep that I think a kid like Kershaw would do worse playing 4A ball. So while he is from a 1A school playing against what is lesser talent than, let's say, the KingCo... There is no doubt in my mind that he does just as well against those kids. It isn't like he would be going from playing 1A ball to lining up across from the Seahawks. High school kids for the most part look alike. Some bigger or smaller, some taller or shorter, outside of a few DNA lottery kids they are all the same. Especially in WA. I don't always agree that because you move up a level in competition you will go down a level in ability. Put this kid at O'Dea, he starts. Put him at Eastside Catholic, he starts. Immerse him in a big time football culture and watch him explode into a beast. There is no program in the state that is so talented that this kid wouldn't start, produce and be a scholarship kid.

Looks like they want him at LB. Not a bad fit. I liked the way he runs between the tackles though. He doesn't have a high gear to take off but he isn't gonna be running the ball at WSU so it doesn't matter.

He strikes me as another jack of all trades kid. Just a football player. He runs, he hits, he catches the ball, he pressures the QB, he plays special teams, he has "want to." If he wasn't gonna play defense I see him as a H back. If I were an academy school I'd play him at wingback.

I think he and Edson will be interesting to see develop. Hard nosed kids, "want to" guys, probably both missing something on their profile that would draw in more P5 schools but show enough intangibles to get an offer.

It'll be interesting to see what the NDSU coaches look for. The NDSU roster isn't filled with kids from all over the South or Texas or California. They took local kids and coached the hell outta them. It will be interesting to see what Dickert does with the defense.
 
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Watching him, he reminds me of a JC Sherrit type player. Dude was absolute 2 way monster but got overlooked a bit in 2A Pullman and ended up at Eastern. In the same time period WSU gave a schollie to Levenseller and some other kids that were destined for Sac St. Sherritt went on to be a player of the year in college and D MVP of CFL.

I like the tape of the two WA kid so far. Have no issues with them. I think the coaches are being careful on the under recruited WA kids to this point.
 
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chugspig said:
Watching him, he reminds me of a JC Sherrit type player. Dude was absolute 2 way monster but got overlooked a bit in 2A Pullman and ended up at Eastern. In the same time period WSU gave a schollie to Levenseller and some other kids that were destined for Sac St. Sherritt went on to be a player of the year in college and D MVP of CFL.

I like the tape of the two WA kid so far. Have no issues with them. I think the coaches are being careful on the under recruited WA kids to this point.
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PHS has had some beasts come thru. I will go so far as to say they have had the talent to win a 4A state title before.
 
BiggsCoug said:
PHS has had some beasts come thru. I will go so far as to say they have had the talent to win a 4A state title before.
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Trent Bray was a stud. Went to Oregon State and was a stud there. He was a football player. Not fast, but knew how to play and was tough as hell. You know who his coach was? Banker. You develop kids and develop them into fundamentally sound football players like Doba did and you can win football games. Wyoming’s defense was sound. They didn’t have a ton of athletes but everybody knew their job and did it. We have a ton of coaches who have been successful at tough to recruit places because they can coach.
 
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Brent H. said:
Trent Bray was a stud. Went to Oregon State and was a stud there. He was a football player. Not fast, but knew how to play and was tough as hell. You know who his coach was? Banker. You develop kids and develop them into fundamentally sound football players like Doba did and you can win football games. Wyoming’s defense was sound. They didn’t have a ton of athletes but everybody knew their job and did it. We have a ton of coaches who have been successful at tough to recruit places because they can coach.
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Trent was a baller. 500+ tackles in high school.

Banker was a great hire for Rolo. His experience with Riley at OSU is valuable. OSU is probably the only school in the conference similar to WSU. Having his knowledge of what they were looking for in kids in Pullman is an asset. OSU went into SoCal and got kids that did very well in Corvallis. We need that at WSU.
 
Brent H. said:
Trent Bray was a stud. Went to Oregon State and was a stud there. He was a football player. Not fast, but knew how to play and was tough as hell. You know who his coach was? Banker. You develop kids and develop them into fundamentally sound football players like Doba did and you can win football games. Wyoming’s defense was sound. They didn’t have a ton of athletes but everybody knew their job and did it. We have a ton of coaches who have been successful at tough to recruit places because they can coach.
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Someone claims this guy has 4.5 speed...so he's actually faster than Trent Bray's 4.6 as I remember. Damn good player Trent was though with enough speed for sure.
 
Brent H. said:
Trent Bray was a stud. Went to Oregon State and was a stud there. He was a football player. Not fast, but knew how to play and was tough as hell. You know who his coach was? Banker. You develop kids and develop them into fundamentally sound football players like Doba did and you can win football games. Wyoming’s defense was sound. They didn’t have a ton of athletes but everybody knew their job and did it. We have a ton of coaches who have been successful at tough to recruit places because they can coach.
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I am sure that being a college coaches son helped him learn a lot before he ever started college. He grew up going to college practices and hanging around his dad.
 
BiggsCoug said:
PHS has had some beasts come thru. I will go so far as to say they have had the talent to win a 4A state title before.
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Going waaaaayyyy back, Pat Beach immediately comes to. I played against him at Eastmont in the playoffs when he was a senior. A beast. Hands down best LB I EVER played against. I pounded into him the entire game and he was immovable, like hitting an oak tree. Stud. Well coached and very disciplined.
 
79COUG said:
Going waaaaayyyy back, Pat Beach immediately comes to. I played against him at Eastmont in the playoffs when he was a senior. A beast. Hands down best LB I EVER played against. I pounded into him the entire game and he was immovable, like hitting an oak tree. Stud. Well coached and very disciplined.
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I remember seeing Beach play basketball for PHS when I was in college. Looked like an oak tree playing against young seedlings. Not real quick and by no means a leaper, but damn....that guy cleaned up the backboard and played with an aggressiveness that scared the heck out of opposing players. Beach could've probably played small college basketball and done well.

Glad Cougar
 
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froropmkr72 said:
You might want to ask Scott because in the paid article...he runs a 4.5 40. Just quoting the article.
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Ask yourself... if it were Max Borghi or any of the WSU wide receivers on this field... what would it look like? Cause this kid gets caught from behind, has guys close on him, etc.

MB and the WSU receivers run legit 4.5's. On a 1A field in WA no one touches them, no one catches them from behind, they run thru pursuit angles..

If Kershaw is a 4.5 kid, he is playing at 4.7 speed.
 
BiggsCoug said:
Ask yourself... if it were Max Borghi or any of the WSU wide receivers on this field... what would it look like? Cause this kid gets caught from behind, has guys close on him, etc.

MB and the WSU receivers run legit 4.5's. On a 1A field in WA no one touches them, no one catches them from behind, they run thru pursuit angles..

If Kershaw is a 4.5 kid, he is playing at 4.7 speed.
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Look at the film of Orion Peters again. He's running away from everyone on the field. That translates regardless of the competition. Not many people are capable of running him down from behind.
 
BiggsCoug said:
Ask yourself... if it were Max Borghi or any of the WSU wide receivers on this field... what would it look like? Cause this kid gets caught from behind, has guys close on him, etc.

MB and the WSU receivers run legit 4.5's. On a 1A field in WA no one touches them, no one catches them from behind, they run thru pursuit angles..

If Kershaw is a 4.5 kid, he is playing at 4.7 speed.
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Just what the article said. According to his 100m time...there's no way he could run faster than the 4.7's.
 
BiggsCoug said:
PHS has had some beasts come thru. I will go so far as to say they have had the talent to win a 4A state title before.
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This reminded me to look up Isaih Strong, Mac’s son who is graduating this year from PHS. No offer from WSU but he did have a handful of big sky offers plus Air Force but it looks like he’s going to uw as a preferred walk on.
 
COUGinNCW said:
This reminded me to look up Isaih Strong, Mac’s son who is graduating this year from PHS. No offer from WSU but he did have a handful of big sky offers plus Air Force but it looks like he’s going to uw as a preferred walk on.
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I have officiated PHS games with Mac's kid playing. Granted, I only did 2 games in his career, but I wasn't impressed by his hustle or effort. He was certainly fast, and those times he did play hard, he looked good. But he took *lots* of plays off. He lines up to the left, sweep to the right, and he just jogs around. On an interception, he just stood and watched. And he was mouthy. He talked too much. While he might have the talent and skills, I don't think he has the size or "oomph" to get it done at the DI level. At least from what I saw in those games.
 
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BiggsCoug said:
Kershaw doesnt run 4.5. My guess is he runs 4.7.
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16 year old sophomore at 210 ran 11.8 hand and 12 flat laser. That translates to 4.7 laser or 4.5 hand
My guess is when he finishes growing he will be 230 to 240 and run a 4.5 or 4.6.
if you see him play live he plays fast.
Played both ways so my guess is that he would have break away speed it he had any rest.
Rumor has it that some Jake wants him at lb and Rolo wants him at Rb.
 
froropmkr72 said:
You might want to ask Scott because in the paid article...he runs a 4.5 40. Just quoting the article.
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Xavier Hicks was a 4.55 guy in the "articles. Damante Horton was a 4.5 guy. Horton may have been lucky to run a sub 4.7, Hicks was a 4.9 guy.

40 times are the second biggest lie boys/men tell.
 
Treborcoug said:
16 year old sophomore at 210 ran 11.8 hand and 12 flat laser. That translates to 4.7 laser or 4.5 hand
My guess is when he finishes growing he will be 230 to 240 and run a 4.5 or 4.6.
if you see him play live he plays fast.
Played both ways so my guess is that he would have break away speed it he had any rest.
Rumor has it that some Jake wants him at lb and Rolo wants him at Rb.
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I don't need to see him play live. I can watch film and tell you that he runs 4.7. If the DBs from Granger HS catch you, you don't run 4.5.

Your comparison with hand and laser isn't equitable. By your logic, any kid that runs 4.5 hand is now 4.3. There would be an epidemic of kids that run 4.3’s. There aren't.

Break away speed has nothing to do with rest. It has everything to do with having break away speed. You're assuming he is the only kid playing both ways and the only kid that plays tired. He isn't.

He could get a little faster. But his dna is his dna. Kids that run a legit 4.5 have a velocity of movement that he just doesn't have and it can only be developed so much.

IMO, he is nowhere as a LB. Maybe as a MLB. He doesn't have the speed to defend slot players. He hasn't shown much on film actually playing the position.

I like him as a big RB. He is a between the tackles runner. He isn't gonna be easy to take down. He can catch the ball and run a lil bit. I think he presents more issues as a back for other teams than a backer.
 
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I don't need to see him play live. I can watch film and tell you that he runs 4.7. If the DBs from Granger HS catch you, you don't run 4.5.

Your comparison with hand and laser isn't equitable. By your logic, any kid that runs 4.5 hand is now 4.3. There would be an epidemic of kids that run 4.3’s. There aren't.

Break away speed has nothing to do with rest. It has everything to do with having break away speed. You're assuming he is the only kid playing both ways and the only kid that plays tired. He isn't.

He could get a little faster. But his dna is his dna. Kids that run a legit 4.5 have a velocity of movement that he just doesn't have and it can only be developed so much.

IMO, he is nowhere as a LB. Maybe as a MLB. He doesn't have the speed to defend slot players. He hasn't shown much on film actually playing the position.

I like him as a big RB. He is a between the tackles runner. He isn't gonna be easy to take down. He can catch the ball and run a lil bit. I think he presents more issues as a back for other teams than a backer.
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Should be fun to watch what they do. Go cougs
 
CougEd said:
Xavier Hicks was a 4.55 guy in the "articles. Damante Horton was a 4.5 guy. Horton may have been lucky to run a sub 4.7, Hicks was a 4.9 guy.

40 times are the second biggest lie boys/men tell.
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Did I say I believed the self report? I only relayed what was in the article.
 
froropmkr72 said:
Did I say I believed the self report? I only relayed what was in the article.
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Oh you are just a pass thru for misinformation ? I am only kidding. I finally watched my first bit of tape yesterday and it was on the JC DB you spotted. Good eye. He has really good feet off the line of scrimmage.
 
79COUG said:
Going waaaaayyyy back, Pat Beach immediately comes to. I played against him at Eastmont in the playoffs when he was a senior. A beast. Hands down best LB I EVER played against. I pounded into him the entire game and he was immovable, like hitting an oak tree. Stud. Well coached and very disciplined.
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My closest friend had a roomie fall of 79 from Eastmont...
 
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Brent H. said:
Trent Bray was a stud. Went to Oregon State and was a stud there. He was a football player. Not fast, but knew how to play and was tough as hell. You know who his coach was? Banker. You develop kids and develop them into fundamentally sound football players like Doba did and you can win football games. Wyoming’s defense was sound. They didn’t have a ton of athletes but everybody knew their job and did it. We have a ton of coaches who have been successful at tough to recruit places because they can coach.
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The key words: "because they can coach".
 
I've found this to be a very interesting thread. I'll throw something out for comment. I've known a lot of kids over the years who had the athletic stuff required to play either LB or RB, and often did both in high school. It has been my observation that the biggest factor in where they fit at the next level is more about their personality than anything else. Some like to carry the rock. Some like to hit the guy who is carrying the rock.
 
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BiggsCoug said:
I don't need to see him play live. I can watch film and tell you that he runs 4.7. If the DBs from Granger HS catch you, you don't run 4.5.

Your comparison with hand and laser isn't equitable. By your logic, any kid that runs 4.5 hand is now 4.3. There would be an epidemic of kids that run 4.3’s. There aren't.

Break away speed has nothing to do with rest. It has everything to do with having break away speed. You're assuming he is the only kid playing both ways and the only kid that plays tired. He isn't.

He could get a little faster. But his dna is his dna. Kids that run a legit 4.5 have a velocity of movement that he just doesn't have and it can only be developed so much.

IMO, he is nowhere as a LB. Maybe as a MLB. He doesn't have the speed to defend slot players. He hasn't shown much on film actually playing the position.

I like him as a big RB. He is a between the tackles runner. He isn't gonna be easy to take down. He can catch the ball and run a lil bit. I think he presents more issues as a back for other teams than a backer.
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cr8zyncalif said:
I've found this to be a very interesting thread. I'll throw something out for comment. I've known a lot of kids over the years who had the athletic stuff required to play either LB or RB, and often did both in high school. It has been my observation that the biggest factor in where they fit at the next level is more about their personality than anything else. Some like to carry the rock. Some like to hit the guy who is carrying the rock.
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cr8zyncalif said:
I've found this to be a very interesting thread. I'll throw something out for comment. I've known a lot of kids over the years who had the athletic stuff required to play either LB or RB, and often did both in high school. It has been my observation that the biggest factor in where they fit at the next level is more about their personality than anything else. Some like to carry the rock. Some like to hit the guy who is carrying the rock.
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Great point. The rumor is that Rolo wanted him at running back and he told him he would rather play linebacker for Jakes defense So I think that tells us all his personality. Jake will convert him to the inside and if we are all lucky we will see a great mike
 
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