and then goes to the tournament. Does that save Kent's job? Of course, but even if WSU were to simply finish the year at .500, I believe Kent is coming back. Ouch! Just took a dart from Observer! 
Scenario: WSU wins its final conference games AND wins the tourney ...
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Yeah that will make us a lot of money if we host a game or two. Fans will flock to Beasley like they did last night. All 1900 of them.
How many WSU football games in Pullman have you attended in the past three years?
and then goes to the tournament. Does that save Kent's job? Of course, but even if WSU were to simply finish the year at .500, I believe Kent is coming back. Ouch! Just took a dart from Observer!
Kent will win the Pac12 tourney and then will beat Tony Bennett's UVa team in the NCAA Championship game!
UVa fires Tony and then hires away Kent. Magical season!
Kent will win the Pac12 tourney and then will beat Tony Bennett's UVa team in the NCAA Championship game!
UVa fires Tony and then hires away Kent. Magical season!
We ain't beating Virginia unless we play them in the first round.
Virginia got their asses kicked by a red hot 3 point shooting Alphabet team in the Big Dance . The UMBC team was really a marginal Tourney team. It was classified as a huge upset and i loved it. Because of Virginia s grind it out style of play they could not come back from a big early deficit. I really hope this happens again this year. Sorry Bennett lovers.: ) : )
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Yup i did not say anything about Kent vs Bennett. But of course Kent did fairly well against the Bennets if i recall. I was not trying to make any point just the fact that i like to see Bennett lose. So the only logic here is that Bennett has not been able to win the big games? That seems to be obvious. i love it and hope they lose again in the first round.
I don't know what qualifies as a "big game" in your book, but Bennett has three 30-win seasons in the best BB conference in the country, as well as three ACC 1st place finishes and two ACC championships. Which of those were not "big games"?
Yup but that loss last year still sticks in the throat of Bennett lovers does n t it? i am very hopeful of a repeat this year. I also hope that the UCLA rumors bear some fruit for different reasons.
Pot calls the kettle black? i am sure that your love for the Bennetts blinds you. Virginia is thousands of miles away and you still cling to his legs?
Tony is an excellent coach. If we fired Kent tommorrow we would likely never get another as good as Tony. Might not even get one as good as Kent. The thing is it is not about the system. Tony would be as successful if he ran a more up tempo system. Not even about the type of player. Cowgill and Weaver would be great in Ernies system. Elleby and Franks could play for Tony, although Ellebys skill in the open court would be wasted. He would still be a lock down defender.
Like I said, Tony is a great coach who is more consistently successful at UVA than he could have been at WSU because he is getting more 4 star talent.
Got to admit though, I dont mind seeing Tony get beat. Partly because I feel like he owed us another year or 2, and partly because so many think there is something magic about his system.
Like I said, Tony is a great coach who is more consistently successful at UVA than he could have been at WSU because he is getting more 4 star talent.
Got to admit though, I dont mind seeing Tony get beat. Partly because I feel like he owed us another year or 2, and partly because so many think there is something magic about his system.
Well I think that most of the state of Wisconsin would disagree with you about the magic of Dick Bennett's system. 3 rebuilds in a row before he came to Pullman. And what he/they did here was indeed magical. And none of his teams had a bunch of 4 star talent. Except Baynes of course
. That said, don't know how much Tony's system resembles Dick's, but I believe that there is still some similarity.And as far as Cowgill (one of my other favorites) goes, he had a great career at WSU. But he was no 4 star player. The fact that he did not play a minute of pro ball after WSU kind of validates that. But he seems to get more and more talented in the rear view mirror.
Remember the message board days before games when people would post the player pics and their alleged dopplegangers? One of the funniest was the mutts. Robbie Cowgill - Skeleton.
Finally, this cute WSM feature on Robbie's diet. It could take me all week to eat all of that.
http://wsm.wsu.edu/s/index.php?id=635
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Whoa mister!and then goes to the tournament. Does that save Kent's job? Of course, but even if WSU were to simply finish the year at .500, I believe Kent is coming back. Ouch! Just took a dart from Observer!
Some questions on this hypothetical first.
Is WSU doing it "the right way"?
What does training table attendance look like under this scenario?
Is there a "dadgum drug problem"?
What do Bishop Sankey's parents think about this?
And did the wealthy Pullman people pay TB to get those wins? Do The Bennetts loved Pullman so much they will take a pay cut to return "home"? The hilarity never stops here.
Cowgill was a 4 star athlete, whose speed and length made him a total lock down defender. He could guard 4 positions. He would have played at a high level in Europe if that was his desire.
Dick ran the system he did because he couldnt get the athletes to play up tempo. Tony can at Virginia
Dick ran the system he did because he couldnt get the athletes to play up tempo. Tony can at Virginia
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Cowgill could have played in Europe. Could be wrong but I believe he wanted to do something in the ministry.
I did not intend to be seen as picking on Cowgill. I love Cowgill. I have a picture of him and Kyle coming off the court at Hec Ed after beating the mutts for the 7th straight time. Or 6th, one of those.
The point I was trying to make is that, while yes WSU had some talented players in the fold under Dick and Tony, especially BAYNES
, The seeming consensus 10+ years later that we had a bunch of 4 stars is not accurate at all, IMHO. I'm not sure that any of them had any stars when they came to Pullman (Low maybe). Rochestie was very good - but he came from Tulane so was he a 4 star? To the extent that they became a great team was all about Dick's coaching and system, and Tony not screwing it up but instead taking it to that next level. Remember, Kyle couldn't guard a chair when he got to WSU.
Dont confuse skill with athleticism. Weaver had the length and quckness to be a lock down defender when he arrived. If he had any kind of jumper he would have made the NBA. Both Cowgill and Weaver were 4 star caliber athletes, just not 4 star offensive skills.
By the way, I know I have heard the can't guard a chair quote many times on this board, and I remember when Dick said it. However I could have sworn it was made in reference to Josh Akognon, not Weaver when someone asked why Akognon wasnt getting more minutes
By the way, I know I have heard the can't guard a chair quote many times on this board, and I remember when Dick said it. However I could have sworn it was made in reference to Josh Akognon, not Weaver when someone asked why Akognon wasnt getting more minutes
I have never seen this consensus we had a bunch of 4-star players out of high school. Low, Baynes, and I believe Chris Henry were 3-star players out of high school. Weaver had some interest from Bradley type programs. Harmeling had a Colorado State offer and Cowgill had an SMU offer according to Rivals and was asked to walk-on at UT. UT was out of scholarships but became interested late in the process. Akognon had Pac 12 interest from SC, Oregon, and was set to visit Michigan according to a Rivals article. Thomas Abercrombie was one of the higher rated recruits but went back to Australia and has had a long pro career. Didn't work out at WSU.
I really liked Cowgill and Baynes early on. They just needed time and development like all of the rest of those recruits. Cowgill was so long, quick for his length, and high IQ. As Ava has said he could guard 3 or 4 positions and he learned how to play inside. Baynes was simply too powerful and athletic for most college players. I remember Taj Gibson (at least a 4-star) frustration trying to play against Baynes.
Once they get to college the stars from high school no longer matter. Looking at Rivals Rodney Stuckey was a 3-star. Stuckey, Weaver, and Baynes all found their way to the NBA. Not long for Weaver but longer than just a look. I think the point that has been made is the kind of recruits we were getting back then and what we see on the current roster from the last class can compete and play with the 4-star programs as juniors and seniors if they are developed and "coached up".
I really liked Cowgill and Baynes early on. They just needed time and development like all of the rest of those recruits. Cowgill was so long, quick for his length, and high IQ. As Ava has said he could guard 3 or 4 positions and he learned how to play inside. Baynes was simply too powerful and athletic for most college players. I remember Taj Gibson (at least a 4-star) frustration trying to play against Baynes.
Once they get to college the stars from high school no longer matter. Looking at Rivals Rodney Stuckey was a 3-star. Stuckey, Weaver, and Baynes all found their way to the NBA. Not long for Weaver but longer than just a look. I think the point that has been made is the kind of recruits we were getting back then and what we see on the current roster from the last class can compete and play with the 4-star programs as juniors and seniors if they are developed and "coached up".
Cowgill was NOT a OFFICIAL 4 Four Star Ranked player, before coming to WSU, according to the Rivals, ESPN, Brand X, 247, etc.
Tony Bennet's only OFFICIAL 4 star player was Klay Thompson.
Now despite that, Cowgill developed into a 4 star like, esque player
I did not intend to be seen as picking on Cowgill. I love Cowgill. I have a picture of him and Kyle coming off the court at Hec Ed after beating the mutts for the 7th straight time. Or 6th, one of those.
The point I was trying to make is that, while yes WSU had some talented players in the fold under Dick and Tony, especially BAYNES
Remember, Kyle couldn't guard a chair when he got to WSU.
Low was a 3 star. Rochestie was a high end 2 star to low end 3 star transfer from Tulane.
Weaver was a UNDERRATED INACCURATELY ranked high end 2 star, low end 3 star, that should have been ranked between a low end 3 star to highest ended 3 star.
Baynes was a low end 3 star.
Harmeling, was a 2 star
Akognon was a 3 star
Klay was a 4 star.
The revisionist history that Dick/Tony Bennet's recruits were supposedly 3,4 star recruits, is innaccurate.
The real truth is that Dick/Tony Bennet, have both said that they had to find 1,2 classes of 2, 3 star freshman, that could lose together, develop and then win together.
That is not, does not sound like recruiting 3,4 star players that would not have had to lose together, that would have instead won together from the beginning.
They BECAME 4 star talent, thanks to the coaching, development of the Bennets, and because of the hard work of the players.
They were not even 4 star talent in the beginning(not talking about 4 star rankings), they developed, became 4 star talent, GRADUALLY, EVENTUALLY.
The chair comment wasn’t about Weaver ... it was about Akognon and or Chris Mathews
I remember it being said about Weaver. I can't remember whether it was his freshman or sophomore year but at that point for Dick it was probably pretty close to a blanket statement for most of the roster.
You dont teach speed and length. Those are the attributes Weaver and Cowgill had that allowed them to become superb defenders. Of course they were coached up. Hete is snother example. Take Jeff Pollard. Smart kid great attitude. Totally coachable. Give him to Tony , then picture him trying to guard Nick Young. Jeff is a 2 star athlete
Pollard is starting to get more physical. Earlier, i said that he needed to develop a Bill Lambier mentality and be aggressive out there. Now if he can hit a medium range jumper consistently it would help the team
The little jump hook he added this year has helped. Glad you didnt see my post as a slam on Pollard. Just trying to point out that a lot of what makes players good is not coached. Tony Bennett wouldn't take Pollard at Virginia, because he has access to more athletic kids.
I love Pollard as a player totally unselfish and willing to sacrifice his body in a dive to the floor or getting a well placed elbow .Ouch!
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