Nebraska fires Scott Frost
Nebraska has parted ways with head coach Scott Frost.
Scott Frost is out
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If they had waited 20 days they would have saved themselves 7.5M on his buyout. Don’t see what difference it made to axe him today.
A booster willing to pay a little more than $7.5m to get him out today most likely.
Crazy money to burn that some folks have. If that option was available I don’t know why they even let him come back at all this year - the odds of him turning it around were slim to none.
It's about the optics. It needs to happen immediately after an embarrassing loss at home to a 21-point underdog. Frost is 5-22 in games decided by one score or less. I watched the game last night. Nebraska got every break and still allowed GS to drive the field with the Huskers holding a 4-point lead with less than a minute left. He lost the team and now he's lost his job.
Cornhusker fortunes, at least for football and basketball, sure didn't improve with Moos as the AD.
Glad Cougar
Nebraska fires Scott Frost
Nebraska has parted ways with head coach Scott Frost.nebraska.rivals.com
Urban Meyer to Nebraska.
Rolo to Nebraska
Moos hired the guy Nebraska wanted. I wouldnt blame him for Frost not working out.
I’d rank Ernie Kent right there with Wulff. Moos’ #1 skill was getting folks to eat his bullshit.
Nebraska needs to recalibrate its place in the CF world. They will NEVER return to the Nebraska of old. Those days are gone. They need to accept that and readjust their expectations. I wanted Frost to be the guy, he clearly isn’t.
I think Nebraska fans wanted him to be that guy too. He was always going to get his shot as their coach. The 5-22 record in 1 score games didn’t help.
Some of these schools need to stop this passing game madness. There was a time when everyone ran I backs. It was ludicrous for some teams. No one in the P10 was gonna out I back SC. So coaches had to change. Here we are now with everyone launching the ball all over. Not everyone is gonna have the same WRs & QBs. There are only so many to go around and they aren’t going to Lincoln, Nebraska. Maybe Nebraska should play to their strengths and be a 2 TE team? Limit the amount of WRs. Go back to big corn fed kids and the option. Where are the black shirts??? Some schools need an identity. Nebraska is one of them.
I'm sure that's true. Frost was also the guy Moos wanted. Most people thought it was a good and logical hire, including me. That doesn't make my statement untrue that Nebraska football and basketball didn't get any better with the guys Moos hired.
Glad Cougar
Tough to do after the first game of a season. But that Northwestern game was followed up by an unimpressive win vs. a mediocre FCS team (North Dakota is not NDSU or SDSU.....and that game was tied in the 3rd quarter) and then the loss to Georgia Southern, a 21-point underdog. I think the third time was the charm. There was no improvement over the 3 game period. It probably was getting worse.
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If you don’t blame the AD who made the bad hire, who is accountable for the hire? The head of the search/selection committee?
No. Your statement isn’t untrue. It leaves out the most important detail. Everyone in Nebraska wanted Frost. Laying this at the feet of Moos is horse crap. He hired who he was supposed to hire.
Frost when hired at Nebraska was universally regarded as a home run hire. Moos isn't to blame on this one.
My statement isn't/wasn't designed to blame Moos. It was designed to point out that his two biggest hires– the head coaches for football and men's basketball– haven't worked out even though nearly everyone thought they were solid hires. Nebraska athletics is currently in the crapper.
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I’m convinced the Northwestern game was a must win for Frost. In my mind that was the last straw and that they were just biding their time until the buyout dropped to 7.5M on October 1st.
What makes zero sense is that if they could afford the 15M buyout then they should have canned him at the end of last season. Now they are faced with yet another lost season.
If you were a recruit that just showed up…. do you stay? All of the kids they signed had other offers. Why stay for instability?
This is true. But you could still argue that it took zero imagination which is par for Moos.
What did amuse me to no end at the time of Frost’s hire was reading something to the effect that Frost coming to Nebraska was no sure thing and that it took someone with Moos’ ability to reel him in. Bill Moos myth making nonsense along with him being the reason Phil Knight got on board with Oregon athletics and how he took credit for WSU getting equal revenue in the TV contract ( what leverage did he have exactly?) and how it was his skill in landing Leach who in reality was desperate for an opportunity with the only requirement that his AD and boosters stay the eff out of his business.
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But this scenario has played out a million times in college football - maybe some short term pain for long term gain if you can’t convince the kids to stay. They will undoubtedly lose kids over this anyways.
For sure. With how easy it is to enter the portal and how early it is in the season… could be interesting to see what happens.
Not defending Moos, but he had absolutely no choice but to hire Frost. He did what every N fan wanted and expected. Too bad it didn’t work out.
Being such a huge Cougar basketball fan, I admit that I'll never forgive Moos for hiring Ernie Kent in the first place– which was bad enough and came with predictable results– but then adding a year onto Kent's contract after a 1-17 conference season. I think WSU just finished paying Ernie off this spring.
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FWIW....and no offense.....but this is not a good comment.
Scott Frost went 13-0 at UCF in his second season there. They finished #6 in the country. And don't forget that UCF went 0-12 in the year before Frost was there as the George O'Leary tenure imploded.
Scott Frost looked like a brilliant hire when it was made. Hindsight is 20/20...but if not for our own disaster with Wulff, we would not be traumatized by the idea of hiring an alum.
I've always said they need to go back to what made them great.
Most defenses today are. buikt to stop the afformentioned offenses...so pound them up the middle w some fullback belly and run the triple option.
I don't see any teams of today stopping that 96 Nebraska offense.
Too much me-too when it comes to offensive design
My opinion won't be appreciated by Nebraska fans, but this is a losing proposition for any head coach. Big recruiting disadvantages....small population base....fans with utterly unrealistic expectations. Since they are no longer in a league with any Texas teams, they now need to instead recruit some B10 metro areas. Chicagoland seems obvious, but maybe other places make sense for them as well. I'm not sure what promising coaches would want to live with that fan base under the circumstances....even with a big salary, it is still probably a career killer.
I love the idea as those offenses were fun to watch and Nebraska was the best at it…here’s the problem I see now. How do you recruit to it? So many high school offenses now running uptempo spread offenses and hardly any running wing T/wishbone/power I football anymore. Would be really tough to recruit kids who were good enough to win at that level and want to play in that offense.
You guys are not wrong...but...
One of the first things you learn about selling anything is that you have to be able to differentiate yourself. Recruiting has always been all about selling, and today it is even more that way. If you are just one more "me, too" offense, then you are a commodity. Leach spent a career differentiating himself, often stubbornly sticking to that "no run" differentiation to the point of distraction. But it is hard to say that it did not work for him. If I am Nebraska and I have to differentiate myself, going back to option running football is certainly one way to maybe do that. Either that or you try to go with power I. Either uses a fullback, and a top fullback is relatively easy to get, since they don't fit into a lot of current offenses. Halfbacks are drawn to running offenses, so they should be able to get HB's, also. The trick is always a QB who is more than just a one trick pony and some receivers who can make a team pay for forgetting about them. And of course, since the QB is exposed a lot, you need QB depth.
I don't know how easy it is to recruit O linemen in the midwest, but there is a marked difference in the O linemen you want for an option running game and a power I. Option running games need O linemen that can move well laterally and have some quickness. Power I teams need road graders. It is possible that the nature of recruiting competition between the two would determine which system might fit Nebraska best. I've always been under the impression that B10 teams want to recruit road graders. If that is correct, then the recruiting competition for the kids who are likely to be 285-290 pound O linemen with great feet might be less than the kid who looks like he will be a 310 pound road grader.
Long story short, if I was foolish enough to want the Nebraska HC job, I'd be looking for an offensive system that would make it as easy as possible to recruit quality kids against the other B10 teams. And trying to recruit the exact same kind of kid that every other B10 team wants looks like a situation that is destined for failure for Nebraska. The more I think about the option, the more that I think a reverse-Leach offense might make sense for them...
There are a zillion teams running wing t in the Northeast. Wishbone and power I, much harder to find.
You have to bake a cake with the kids you can get, not the kids you can’t get. You have to invest your recruiting in areas you can get kids, not chase ghosts where you can’t.
There was a time when Texas kids chose between Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska. Those days are over. There are simply too many hands in the pie now in Texas. Too many good teams on the way to Nebraska. It hurts them. If Im Nebraska I invest in SoCal and Chicago. They need to get back to the days of Husker Power and developing kids.
Nebraska is better off limiting the amount of perimeter players and getting back to power run game, play action pass and a QB that can run. Get out of the race for WRs and pocket passers.
My free two cents.
