The little turd is using WSU s legal team to hit back at Barber. The little turd has filed a 54 page response to barber s filing. The Board of Regents needs to give him a vote of no confidence . He is determined to cast a huge spotlight on WSU. Many of the forecast ed possibilities will probably happen before it is all over.He seems intent on being right and using his power to make his case. i wonder who the coach will be next season? It is certainly becoming a possibility.
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Or Robert Barber is an ill-tempered bully, cheap shot artist, who is running WSU's name unfairly through the mud, selfishly. 100 years of integrity at the highest level, the school that spearheaded Title IX reforms or WSU is essentially George Wallace's University of Alabama and we all should be embarrassed to have matriculated from there. You make the call.
I'm not buy we are 1960's Alabama. First, this is the first time I've ever heard of alleged problems with WSU's disciplinary system. Over the last 40 years we have had a ton of blacks, polys, foreigners, men, women, athletes, bookworms, partiers, stoners, gays, you name it, attend WSU. Now, suddenly, it is, and has been, a kangaroo court, an anti-men, anti-polys, anti-athlete institution. Honestly? Second, our system mirrors 11 of 12 Pac-12 schools. (Trigger WARNING) Jesus, Cal students don't even have a problem with the system for crying out loud. Stanford students aren't claiming they are oppressed too. No student body is jumping on board or supporting this crusade for “justice.” Despite that, we are supposed to believe the disciplinary system deprives student athletes of "due process."
No, we have a kid who wants to play football, and appears willing to play any and every card in the card deck. It is one thing to put football, first, but don't throw reality out the window. Attorneys are charged with zealously representing their client's interests. Interest groups are biased by definition. They aren’t in the business of getting to or representing the truth. They are in the business of getting their way.
Whatever you think of Barber, his case has shined a spotlight on the procedures that are used by the Student Conduct Board. Those procedures are awful. Students faced with suspension or expulsion have very little ability to defend themselves. Just because you've not heard of any problems doesn't mean everything is hunky dory. Two weeks ago Barber's attorney won a case against WSU for a student that had been expelled based on an alleged sexual assault.
So many things wrong with your comments. You should go over to the Seattle Times site, where one commenter on the most recent story thinks it was Barber snorting the white substance. Geezus can these people read? And can you Socal? The issues with the Conduct Board are well documented in various news reports. Did you read them? Apparently not.
The Daily Evergreen just had a Barber-supporting editorial. And the in depth article on Pac-12 student conduct systems explains that most of them are nothing like WSU's. Did you read that? Apparently not.
I have read every scrap of news on this case and it annoys the crap out of me to have to listen to anyone who hasn't.
First, I want to say that I don't have any specific like or dislike of Kirk Schulz. I didn't even know that he was President of Kansas State University until it was announced that WSU was hiring him. I watch KSU football occasionally but I secretly enjoy when they fall just short of true success because if WSU isn't winning a championship, there is no way in hell that I want the Wildcats to enjoy one. I put that out there because I don't want you thinking that this has anything to do with KSU.
So, I see all of these attacks on Schulz and the implications that he has some personal beef with Barber and trying to make an example of him. You say, "The little turd is using WSU s legal team to hit back at Barber" like Schulz is the only one who is responsible for this situation. It's an incredibly narrow minded way to look at the situation. No offense to Barber, but if he hadn't been caught on video blasting some fool, he wouldn't be in trouble. In the minds of some, Schulz is an asshole for cracking down on fighting but Barber is just a young Polynesian hero defending his cultural honor from crack-a-lackin' entitled punks that hate all minorities and conspire with the Po Po to keep the brothers down.
At some point, I hope everyone settles down and realizes that they are insulting a man who has spent his entire life dedicated to higher education without anyone ever saying anything particularly negative about him and certainly never making the news because of any negative agenda. They are insulting him because he doesn't have a lot of sympathy for a 300 lb man that has had prior run-ins with police (even if they were stupid) that chose to punch a much smaller man and then, after the guy collapsed on the ground, he went after him again. Barber is the one that has displayed incredibly poor judgement here. Whether or not the suspension is appropriate is not my decision to make, but our fans need to take a deep breath and step back from this before they rush to judgement on Schulz.
It's pretty dumb to base your whole viewpoint of someone because they felt that a guy in a fight should be punished. Finally, while Schulz obviously has the final say, he's a figurehead at the top of a very complex structure. There is no way that he is making these decisions on his own and implying that he should make decisions counter to others in the system because we want Barber on the football field is a very naive way to look at this situation. I don't recall Floyd ever making the news because he stepped in during Wulff's term or the early parts of Leach's term to keep players from being punished. Maybe he did and I missed it.
EDIT: I do agree that the positive of all of this is that the Student Conduct Board will hopefully realize that their judgments will be watched moving forward. We can hope to see the process improved to ensure true due process to people subjected to it.
So, I see all of these attacks on Schulz and the implications that he has some personal beef with Barber and trying to make an example of him. You say, "The little turd is using WSU s legal team to hit back at Barber" like Schulz is the only one who is responsible for this situation. It's an incredibly narrow minded way to look at the situation. No offense to Barber, but if he hadn't been caught on video blasting some fool, he wouldn't be in trouble. In the minds of some, Schulz is an asshole for cracking down on fighting but Barber is just a young Polynesian hero defending his cultural honor from crack-a-lackin' entitled punks that hate all minorities and conspire with the Po Po to keep the brothers down.
At some point, I hope everyone settles down and realizes that they are insulting a man who has spent his entire life dedicated to higher education without anyone ever saying anything particularly negative about him and certainly never making the news because of any negative agenda. They are insulting him because he doesn't have a lot of sympathy for a 300 lb man that has had prior run-ins with police (even if they were stupid) that chose to punch a much smaller man and then, after the guy collapsed on the ground, he went after him again. Barber is the one that has displayed incredibly poor judgement here. Whether or not the suspension is appropriate is not my decision to make, but our fans need to take a deep breath and step back from this before they rush to judgement on Schulz.
It's pretty dumb to base your whole viewpoint of someone because they felt that a guy in a fight should be punished. Finally, while Schulz obviously has the final say, he's a figurehead at the top of a very complex structure. There is no way that he is making these decisions on his own and implying that he should make decisions counter to others in the system because we want Barber on the football field is a very naive way to look at this situation. I don't recall Floyd ever making the news because he stepped in during Wulff's term or the early parts of Leach's term to keep players from being punished. Maybe he did and I missed it.
EDIT: I do agree that the positive of all of this is that the Student Conduct Board will hopefully realize that their judgments will be watched moving forward. We can hope to see the process improved to ensure true due process to people subjected to it.
Graham Spanier, Kenneth Starr and I had a good laugh at this post.
But seriously, I never have sympathy for anyone who makes half a million or more a year. They get paid to be decisive leaders, and Schulz ain't showing much on this one. The 54 page response to the legal filing is BS. WSU should have said nothing - let the court be the good or bad guy. They say no? They are the bad guy. They suspend the suspension? Barber plays, graduates in a month and the whole problem kind of goes away. But no, let's throw a can on gas on this thing, Schulz. Good move.
Now that the parents of players (the two most visible are moms of white players, if it means anything) are rallying behind Barber, I have even more empathy for him. And Jack Thompson would not put his name and reputation on the line for some thug. I signed the CougFam petition online, hope others here did as well.
Your internal truths on the subject matter are not reality.
What I've heard, for years mind you, about the SCB has aligned exactly with the BS that has recently come out.
Does your truth trump mine?
So WSU is in the wrong for defending itself when threatened with legal action? WSU is wrong for giving the court its reasons for suspending Barber? You complain about Barber not getting due process and not being given an opportunity to speak in his own defense and then say WSU shouldn't have the right to say anything. There's a term for that.
EDIT: I want to reiterate that I don't have a problem with the university dropping the suspension if they choose to do that. Also, I'm not asking you to feel sorry for Schulz. I'm saying that you shouldn't assume he's a cowardly, racist asshole because you don't agree with him.
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I can't ever get periscope to work, or at least back when it first launched. Suppose I'll try again.
Give the man a cigar. If Robert Barber had not been a football player but only another nerdish kid in the engineering department, we would have never heard of this. Maybe Robert's travails will be the silver lining in this cloud by directing attention on our troublesome SCB.
But...but...most of the other schools do it this way. Do they? If so, shame on them too. Sounds like me when I was a kid. "But, Mom, Gary's mother lets him do it and so does Larry's!!" Didn't work. A childish and silly whine by me and no better when applied to more important issues by adults.
It is impossible to gather information about this affair. About time I think I have it figured out, another alleged fact contradicts what I thought I knew. One thing I do know it that no one on this board or on brand x has posted that it sucks for Barber but at least he got a fair hearing and justice was administered. No one.
"It is consistent with other SCBs" doesn't cut it for me. Nor does the argument that this is what the regulations dictate. That is the only argument in support of the current SCB and it is a flimsy one at best. Change the damn regulations.
The current SCB is poorly constituted and that needs to be addressed by the BOR. Fairness should be applied to all regardless of their status as an athlete or an Ag student or otherwise.
Good point about Thompson. From what I know of him he is a standup guy and would not have gotten involved unless he felt strongly about the issue and sure of his facts. It would be fair to assume that he knows more about the situation than we do.
I can say that I never was in trouble to the point of having to go before the SCB. I got an open container on the sidewalk in front of my house, went before the judge with my 3" letters (he was an brother), and got my fine reduced to basically zero.
That being said, I don't want or need a mommy and daddy entity on campus. If you break the rules or the conduct code, there shouldn't be an arbitrary meting out of punishment. The punishment should be what it is and you can then appeal to the SCB (or other body) for reconsideration due to extenuating circumstances, etc.
I could be wrong, but my impression is that the SCB hands out reprimands as it deems necessary, deciding that this instance of fighting is not as bad as that instance of fighting, or one MIP isn't as bad as the next MIP. Why do they hear some cases that violate the student code and don't hear others? That is my whole beef: the whole thing is arbitrary, which is why I refer to it as a kangaroo court. It truly reminds me of the tribunal from Animal House.
And what from what I understand, what comes before the board is arbitrary. In your example, if an ex-girlfriend whom hated your guts because of a bad breakup would have written a letter to the SCB about your "Open Container" calling you a danger to the community, you would have HAD to go before the board. At least from what I understand. So "arbitrary" is very much the key word, here.
A Rumor could place you before the board and then they'll handle it as they do… arbitrarily.
If you haven't seen it yet, the University has decided to give Robert Barber his degree based on his academic progress to this point with full credit given in his final class without his presence on campus. To me, it looks like they are trying to make the case that those that are upset don't really care about Barber and his college degree, but only care about his ability to positively impact WSU football and Barber's future as an NFL player.
It truly sharpens the focus on what the purpose of bringing scholarship athletes to campus is about. Is it primarily about getting an education for young men & women or is it about winning games? We all know that it's a little bit of both but it's a smart move by the university that takes away the most meaningful argument for dropping the suspension. It will be interesting to see what happens from here.
Open your eyes. This is all reactionary. ChickenSchulz too the core. The guy that was once expelled is now getting special treatment. Meanwhile a student that got in a fight at a Halloween party will be going in front of the student conduct board with almost no ability to defend himself.
It is reactionary. They are doing something to alleviate criticisms of harming the young man's future when it comes to his degree. As far as a student getting into a fight at a Halloween party......whatever. This stupid, macho bullcrap where you guys think that you have the right to punch anyone who disrespects you is the exact frickin' reason that Barber is in trouble. Either him or the idiot hosts of that party felt that they had something to prove and things got out of control. If you punch someone at a Halloween party, you deserve whatever happens to you. When you figure that out, it will prove that you are a grown up.
By the way, it is so stupid to assume that Schulz is the only person involved in this. Do you really think that the board of regents would sit up there with him if they weren't involved? Talk about opening your eyes.
I would have preferred that the SCB and the university had decided that a 2-3 game suspension was appropriate punishment for Barber and that he be allowed to play for the finish of his career. I don't have a problem with them sticking to their guns. Don't get in fights and you don't get in trouble. It's really that easy.
Dang, that was tense for a while. Senator Baumgartner was FIRED UP.
Interesting that several were approached today by a young woman that was at the party, and said she was ignored as an eye witness. She states that she was approached at the party by the "victims" and was asked if she wanted to take part in the "white powder". She says that later the "victims" were causing trouble and trying to start fights as people were leaving. To me, this brings up a question regarding the boards purpose. If the fight was instigated by others, if others were picking the fight, does it matter to them? Self-defense?
You bring up a point. WSU/The Regents/The SCB is screwed now. Now they can be painted as acquiescing to public demand, opposite of their decisions and protocols. They are flailing in the wind, except the ONE path. They've changed their decision twice now. They are going to appear like old, white people clinging to the old ways for no reason other than their pride. They'll say anything, do anything except the one way that everyone is pointing to. Which means overhaul change.
You didn't watch the periscope did you… If so, do you remember Marks comment which you need to consider. He stated that football players aren't protected, as normal students. Think about this, it's a bit of a coin flip on the concept but I believe Marks. Football players go out and they immediately have a target on them. So frat boy thinks they can pick a fight because the FRAT BOY is protected. He knows the players can't do anything. Marks comments that this is a real thing. Something to consider when you say, "Just don't get in a fight." If we are wanting equality, shouldn't our players be able to go out and be social? Or are you really saying the price they have to pay for being a D1 player should be holed up in their rooms their entire time at college… ?
If the fight was instigated by others, if others were picking the fight, does it matter to them? Self-defense?
As with many on this board and the SCB, it matters zero the circumstances surrounding the fight. All that matters is that Barber is bigger and he hit a person. PERIOD. Just like Luani, who got his ass kicked btw, all that matters is that he is an aggressive (brown) football player who is a menace to society.
You didn't watch the periscope did you… If so, do you remember Marks comment which you need to consider. He stated that football players aren't protected, as normal students. Think about this, it's a bit of a coin flip on the concept but I believe Marks. Football players go out and they immediately have a target on them. So frat boy thinks they can pick a fight because the FRAT BOY is protected. He knows the players can't do anything. Marks comments that this is a real thing. Something to consider when you say, "Just don't get in a fight." If we are wanting equality, shouldn't our players be able to go out and be social? Or are you really saying the price they have to pay for being a D1 player should be holed up in their rooms their entire time at college… ?
Yes, that is exactly what some are saying. "You got a scholarship, so you need to be a complete saint because you know that you will be scrutinized harder than a normal student. "
Nevermind the fact that we are talking about 18 and 19 year old kids - they need to have the constitution to not swing at a kid who is swinging at them, or to not shove the guy (in the face) who is shit talking you and shoving you out the door (with 4 of his friends.)
So yes, scholarship athletes are expected to behave to a standard that no one else on campus is expected to, and when they don't they are punished more severely. Fair or not? You decide.
As with many on this board and the SCB, it matters zero the circumstances surrounding the fight. All that matters is that Barber is bigger and he hit a person. PERIOD. Just like Luani, who got his ass kicked btw, all that matters is that he is an aggressive (brown) football player who is a menace to society.
You didn't watch the periscope did you… If so, do you remember Marks comment which you need to consider. He stated that football players aren't protected, as normal students. Think about this, it's a bit of a coin flip on the concept but I believe Marks. Football players go out and they immediately have a target on them. So frat boy thinks they can pick a fight because the FRAT BOY is protected. He knows the players can't do anything. Marks comments that this is a real thing. Something to consider when you say, "Just don't get in a fight." If we are wanting equality, shouldn't our players be able to go out and be social? Or are you really saying the price they have to pay for being a D1 player should be holed up in their rooms their entire time at college… ?
Yes, that is exactly what some are saying. "You got a scholarship, so you need to be a complete saint because you know that you will be scrutinized harder than a normal student. "
Nevermind the fact that we are talking about 18 and 19 year old kids - they need to have the constitution to not swing at a kid who is swinging at them, or to not shove the guy (in the face) who is shit talking you and shoving you out the door (with 4 of his friends.)
So yes, scholarship athletes are expected to behave to a standard that no one else on campus is expected to, and when they don't they are punished more severely. Fair or not? You decide.
Flat, I really think you have a reading disorder. I highlighted the two things that I DID NOT SAY. I did not say WSU had no right to say anything. I said they should not have.
And nowhere have I referred to Schulz as a cowardly racist asshole. So quit telling lies. You remind me of the Pullman PD.
It looks like the Board of Regents are going to sit tight. If they do,they will reap what they sow. They will be very upset with coming State budget hearings. They will also be very upset when the Polynesian Civil Rights organization files a Federal lawsuit. Their half ass attempt to put this behind them is going to backfire. By granting Barber his degree ,they think that all will be forgiven. Say goodbye to Poly recruiting as they are pissing everyone off. I again ask who the coach will be next year?Sgt Schultz will not last and his superior attitude and other s will be the first dominoes to fall .WSU is being smeared nationally and it is because of their doing. How many times can one shoot them selves in the foot before they realize what they are doing? The alumni donations will also take a nosedive. My hats off to Sen Baungartner for having character and a good sense of ethics.
Not even the idea that they have to be saints. But in order to stay out of trouble and not be targeted by a bunch of a$$holes, they literally can't go down to the CUB, other school functions, can't go to ANY parties, can't go down and have a beer and burger… I mean come on. We should really expect them to go get drunk in their own dorms, hiding from the general public because they fear being targeted?
Marks outlined this as a real issue. This idea of "just don't get in a fight" isn't realistic. I get the idea that they represent our school and are, to a certain extent, ambassadors. But this is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. This could be the problem with the board. It isn't allowing other circumstances, other ideas other perspectives to come in. They are CHOOSING this perspective and aren't allowing other ideas to enter.
Rigidity of a concept isn't allowing some to see reality.
On another concept, just due to this firestorm, I submit this is why the SCB needs to be overhauled. From this point forward, there is a chink in the armor. They have zero credibility now. I can see the ambulance chaser lawyers lining up outside, every time there is a hearing. WSU could have lawyers breathing down their necks with every decision they make. They need to have clear, open and transparent protocols. They need to follow, to a certain extent, Due Process and certain elements of law in order to bypass this kind of firestorm for every other decision from this point forward.
I don't know what other protocols these kinds of boards can have in other schools but something will need to change or lawsuits, and many of them, could easily follow. This incident could undo decades of PR WSU has built. All in one fail swoop. Just due to that, the WSU SCB needs to change. Just looking at it from a "preservation of WSU's dignity, stature and public relations"…
Give me a break. None of the guys arrested this year were in a situation where they were being attacked. Luani was jawing with some punk in a bandanna and there was no threat of violence until he threw a punch. The vast majority of evidence from the party suggests that the football players were the instigators. Tago and some dudes stole beer from someone after beating them up. They all could have walked away but they chose to prove their manhood. Hell, I understand that they aren't alone in that, but it doesn't make it right.
It's bizarre that all of the sudden, there's a problem. Barber threatens a cop last year and we don't even hear anything about it but those same cops and prosectors are now racist a-holes with an agenda? It's total crap to suggest that every time a football player walks into a party, he gets attacked by frat guys. If that wasn't anything but made up bull crap, we would have heard about it long before you guys made it up as an excuse.
I get the frustration with the SCB, but again, dumbass players acting like fools and hitting people when they didn't need to is what got us here. They didn't need to get into any of those fights. Stupid assholes that act like that fall in line with the fool from Oklahoma that wanted me to meet him at a local convenience store after I made an insulting comment about the Sooners. In your narrow minded world, I should have went down and kicked his ass because he disrespected me and threatened me.
And again, even Robert Barber knows he screwed up, he just wanted to delay the suspension so he could play football. He didn't initially ask for the suspension to be waived, he just wanted it to be delayed until spring. WSU circumvented his desire to get back on the field by giving him his degree. Was it shitty? Sure, but it was done to prove that people like the folks on this board are really only concerned about football.
Yes the incident and the official response is going to have a very unhappy ending for Sgt Schultz.WSU, and the Board of Regents. It defies logic to say otherwise. WSU s response is making other PAC 12 schools very happy However,. the ramifications will definitely go beyond football.The very composition of the Board will be questioned and you may see some resignations there . Some posters here look at it like it is a single incident of violence by one football player. When it is all said and done,its ramifications will not only destroy the current football program,but he financial underpinnings of the whole athletic programs and the reputation of WSU. If i was a Board Regent,i would carefully consider all possible ramifications.
I don't think they have fully grasped how far this has gone and how "big a deal" this is, outside of Pullman. Maybe they have since the meeting this morning but I doubt it. Just by the way they are handling things. They didn't let it be known prior to the meeting that they had found a way to get Barber his degree, off campus. They didn't structure the meeting well. It's like they think they are bigger than the movement. And they are wrong. I have a friend in Okie. He's been texting me about this… This is spreading like wildfire.
EDIT: And might I add, he didn't get the initial information from me.
It's not on the front page of ESPN, Fox, CBS or any other media website. No twitter mentions on the list I looked at outside of Washington. I'm not really sure that there is going to be national outrage for a guy who was caught on video pounding on some other guy and his punishment is that he's given a college degree.
I know that the issue is bigger than that, but there isn't enough meat to this story to get national attention. Oh no! Football player gets college degree without taking classes just isn't a sexy storyline. Nobody outside of Washington gives a crap about students that are mad about how they are treated when they get in trouble.
I know that the issue is bigger than that, but there isn't enough meat to this story to get national attention. Oh no! Football player gets college degree without taking classes just isn't a sexy storyline. Nobody outside of Washington gives a crap about students that are mad about how they are treated when they get in trouble.
Yes the Regents here tend to be extremely parochial in their outlook.Even if there was zero national publicity, there will be negative results.Leach is a proud strongly opinionated man, who has a sense of ethics , will make a decision on his true response once the season is over.Sgt Schultz will rue the day that he did not take swift decisive action and end this circus before it got out of hand.His career will also take a huge hit once this over.
I know. You think this is a big deal. It's not. There isn't a single person around here that heard about it. There will be some articles in the next couple days but you have to remember that you live in a country where young men of color are routinely murdered by police officers.
If you think that anyone outside of WSU that really cares about Robert Barber not getting to play football, you are definitely missing the big picture.
I think that you are missing the big picture. if the regents do not intervene and vote to reverse the prez s actions,you will eventually see the big picture. After Coach Joe s wife testimony expect to see Coach Joe depart as he will not be able to answer to the Polynesian Community whom he gave his word . Expect Coach leach and others to do likewise. One wonders if WSU will even be able to stay in the PAC 12? There are rumors of a big shakeup and reorganization of the whole P5 conferences. After this PR fiasco expect WSU to take a big hit.The other board is trying to put a positive spin on this but watch what happens over the next week.
Did Joe go to the polynesian community and promise that their sons would not be held accountable for their actions? Do you think Mike Leach is going to leave WSU because his starting NT was booted for beating up a smaller kid? Again, in the real world, young minority males worry about dying at the hands of others and at the hands of police officers. In Pullman, Barber got his college degree after threatening a police officer last year and punching out a kid this year. Oh....the horror! I'm sure that the families of all the young black men that have died around the country are shaking their fists in anger at the travesty that Barber is being subjected to.
It sucks that they didn't just suspend him for a few weeks, but then again, I'm betting that isn't on the list of options for the Student Conduct Board. Who knows, maybe Leach could have made this go away by suspending Barber and Feheko along with Luani in the first game. There's obviously some issues with the board that need to be addressed, but maybe it would be a good idea to see what happens instead of assuming that nothing will?
You guys are too close to the situation to see the big picture that you claim that I'm missing. This is only as big as people make of it and it's going to take a lot more than Robert Barber not playing football for this to be meaningful. I'm not saying that there isn't more stuff lurking that could blow things up, just that one guy getting a degree when he was one credit short isn't enough.
You are viewing it from one perspective, i will refrain from giving it a name. The Polynesian community will see this as an affront to all Polynesians. Barber s mom saved $2000 to come and see him walk. This is denied by Sgt Schultz as well as other cultural transgressions. Say what you will, but be prepared for things you will never expect from your limited perspective.
So El, are you Polynesian or what? Do you have some REAL inside information from these various groups that are going to destroy our FB program and university?
Much as I am on the same side as you in general regarding this topic, your continued "end of the WSU world" commentary is a bit out there. And getting old. As old as Flatland's continued tirades on the opposite side of the topic. How many times do we need to read the exact same stuff?
I think it's funny you think I care whether anyone outside of our ties to WSU knows about this.
You're oblivious.
You guys are the ones that are saying that the world is ending and WSU is going to turn into Idaho as a result of this. I'm saying that nobody outside of WSU is going to care and as soon as you get over it.......it's over. If Joe Salave'a was to go to the Polynesian community and say that although he doesn't agree with the decision, he understands that the university felt that the video evidence was too compelling to allow no punishment but that he supports the university moving forward. If WSU really does make some improvements to the SCB process, it makes it even easier. If he doesn't, well yeah, things might go to hell in our Poly recruiting. That's up to Joe in how to handle it.
If you think that other universities look at our situation and think, "Man, that kid should play!", you don't understand how administrators think. They see Barber flatten that kid and think, "Man, I'm glad that I don't have that kid in our program".
If you think that mothers in south central LA are looking at Barber's situation and thinking that their kids won't go to WSU, you might be wrong. They might grab their kids by the ear and tell them that if they are stupid enough to take a pot shot at some weak ass frat boy, she'll drive to Pullman herself to kick her son's ass.
You can either move past this or you can let it stew and bubble. What's funny is that if this video was shot in the Ewe District, y'all would be making fun of UW if they thought about letting the guy play. It would have been six weeks of jokes about MCMW (more criminal more wins) for every game that they had won with him on the field. You talk about perspective but you guys have no desire to consider any perspective but your own.
