So who's left for this class?

[Coug95man2]

There's no way for me to know who really has an offer from WSU but these are the players that have WSU "high" on their list, still.

Marcus Lewis 4star DB out of Washington DC--- already visited Oct. 2014
Darreyl Patterson 3star DB out of Lawton OK--- visiting 1-30-15
Taeon Mason 4star DB out of Pasadena CA--- already visited Nov. 2014
Sihiem King 3star RB out of Moultrie GA--- visiting 1-23-15
William (Amu) Auwae 2star OL out of Honolulu HI--- No visit planned

That would mean 30 in this class, which can't happen. Either there are 2 here that want to come, and won't. Or there are 2 players that have currently committed and are going to have their offer pulled. This is also assuming we utilize the gray shirt method to the fullest extent for the 2016 class.

Do we all realize, we have 5 DB's committed, with the potential of 3 more coming in, at least according to the above "interest"?!! WOW!!!

 

[ttowncoug]

Mathematically, I think 30 is possible.

Remember, the you can *protect* up to 28 guys with a letter of intent. The letter of intent period covers signings from Dec-May. Singleton, Prister and Hilinski signed FA agreements during the summer or fall. Counting backwards, I see 27 possible LOI spots.

The rub is you can only enroll 25 new scholarship players in each class. The 3 just mentioned, move the needle down to 22. Which means if we have a class of 30, you are looking at 8 gray shirts.

I also fully anticipate we won't accept any LOI until we have a pretty clear idea these kids will meet admissions. Non-qualifiers just take up room that another kid could benefit from.

 

[Coug95man2]

I have read, and re-read, that thread and it's still confusing as hell… I'll trust you on the numbers thing. However that works though, this is one hell of a class with the potential of more.

 

[405 Coug]

I am sure whoever is in charge of admissions is going through all of the test scores, class requirements and GPA, to determine who is in, who is a risk, and who is out. It is great to have 25 commits, and 4 or 5 more possiblities, but you can only sign 25, so you can't afford to waste an LOI on a non qualifier.

 

[wazzupdx]

Don't forget that we may lose 1 or 2 guys off our commit list as a last second flip, anything can happen in these last few days and the coaches know that, which is why they are not quitting.

 

[CougEd]

I could see the guys who are taking last minute trips not having a chair

when the music stops. And there could be someone who doesn't have the grades/score right away. Either way Leach and staff aren't going to be the one holding the puke bag at the end of the day. The appropriately would rather be the screwer than the screwee

 

[Fab5Coug]

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
There's no way for me to know who really has an offer from WSU but these are the players that have WSU "high" on their list, still.

Marcus Lewis 4star DB out of Washington DC--- already visited Oct. 2014
Darreyl Patterson 3star DB out of Lawton OK--- visiting 1-30-15
Taeon Mason 4star DB out of Pasadena CA--- already visited Nov. 2014
Sihiem King 3star RB out of Moultrie GA--- visiting 1-23-15
William (Amu) Auwae 2star OL out of Honolulu HI--- No visit planned

That would mean 30 in this class, which can't happen. Either there are 2 here that want to come, and won't. Or there are 2 players that have currently committed and are going to have their offer pulled. This is also assuming we utilize the gray shirt method to the fullest extent for the 2016 class.

Do we all realize, we have 5 DB's committed, with the potential of 3 more coming in, at least according to the above "interest"?!! WOW!!!

I would add TJ Fehoko to your list. Decommitted from CU yesterday and is interested in WSU.

From what I've read, it sounds like Fehoko & Auwae may still have some academic work to do. So, I'm not sure WSU makes room for them if they want to commit. Perhaps good candidates for a grey shirt offer.

I would be rather surprised if Patterson makes the trip next weekend. I'd be surprised if he doesn't commit to Oklahoma soon.

Lewis is said to be deciding very soon. If I had to guess, he ends up at Kentucky or Miami.

Sihiem King, I'm not sure about. Maybe Britton can confirm if he's actually making a trip this weekend. I would guess he ends up at WVU, but that's just a guess.

Mason is the one I think we have the best shot at landing. I think he publically decommitted from USC to see who would call. If no one is calling (or no one better is calling), then I think he ends up at WSU. It's the same thing Austin Maloata did last year, and Oregon came through with a late offer.

 

[YakiCoug]

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
There's no way for me to know who really has an offer from WSU but these are the players that have WSU "high" on their list, still.

Marcus Lewis 4star DB out of Washington DC--- already visited Oct. 2014
Darreyl Patterson 3star DB out of Lawton OK--- visiting 1-30-15
Taeon Mason 4star DB out of Pasadena CA--- already visited Nov. 2014
Sihiem King 3star RB out of Moultrie GA--- visiting 1-23-15
William (Amu) Auwae 2star OL out of Honolulu HI--- No visit planned

That would mean 30 in this class, which can't happen. Either there are 2 here that want to come, and won't. Or there are 2 players that have currently committed and are going to have their offer pulled. This is also assuming we utilize the gray shirt method to the fullest extent for the 2016 class.

Do we all realize, we have 5 DB's committed, with the potential of 3 more coming in, at least according to the above "interest"?!! WOW!!!

I would add TJ Fehoko to your list. Decommitted from CU yesterday and is interested in WSU.

From what I've read, it sounds like Fehoko & Auwae may still have some academic work to do. So, I'm not sure WSU makes room for them if they want to commit. Perhaps good candidates for a grey shirt offer.

I would be rather surprised if Patterson makes the trip next weekend. I'd be surprised if he doesn't commit to Oklahoma soon.

Lewis is said to be deciding very soon. If I had to guess, he ends up at Kentucky or Miami.

Sihiem King, I'm not sure about. Maybe Britton can confirm if he's actually making a trip this weekend. I would guess he ends up at WVU, but that's just a guess.

Mason is the one I think we have the best shot at landing. I think he publically decommitted from USC to see who would call. If no one is calling (or no one better is calling), then I think he ends up at WSU. It's the same thing Austin Maloata did last year, and Oregon came through with a late offer.

Oregon currently has 19 commitments (about half a dozen have already signed), so I will not be surprised in Mason ends up there. I think Lewis ends up at Miami or Kentucky. King goes to WVU. I think our best shot is with Paulo and Fehoko, but there could be a new name that emerges.

 

[YakiCoug]

Re: I could see the guys who are taking last minute trips not having a chair

Originally posted by CougEd:
when the music stops. And there could be someone who doesn't have the grades/score right away. Either way Leach and staff aren't going to be the one holding the puke bag at the end of the day. The appropriately would rather be the screwer than the screwee

How is it that a guy likely to NOT qualify who is taking last-minute trips getting screwed? The option of enrolling mid-year or later is still open if they qualify. The new rule that counts signees who don't qualify in the 25 is hardly good news for many schools. They can't replace them with another prospect who does qualify. Of course, the Stanfords of the world are never in such a position, I suppose they were the proponents of the rule change, just as they got rid of Propositions 48, 16, and anything else that Mike Price exploited to make WSU competitive on the field.

This post was edited on 1/22 12:47 PM by YakiCoug

 

[ttowncoug]

95man2-

I know it's confusing, which is why I had to read a few articles and obviously still learning. The simplist way to state the limits are:

Letters of intent limits: You can only sign 28 (including grayshirts), from Dec-May. What happens outside of this period, doesn't matter or count to this limit. An LOI just says the school grants him a scholarship -- which can be delayed for up to a year -- and puts the kid "off the market."

New scholarship limits: You can only grant 25 new scholarships, to new enrollees, per year. (NCAA call these kids initital counters). The NCAA uses the start of the school year (fall) for this count. Simply put, you can only have 25 new kids (from the prior fall) that are receiving scholarships.

Also, you can only have a max of 85. If the math allows, you can grant walk-ons a scholarship after 2 years and they aren't counted towards the 25.

The kids that signed FA agreements in the late summer or fall, that are new to the program, aren't going to get counted as an LOI. They signed FA agreements outside of the Dec-May window, but would count as new enrollees towards the fall scholarship count.

 

[Coug95man2]

Thanks TTown. It seems the hardest part is to keep track, from year to year, who's part of what class? My for instance being, if we take 2 gray shirts, those will go towards 2016 class. But a year from now, we all have to remember, or if you're sick enough keep a "journal" or something, that we can only take in 23 for 2016, UNLESS we gray shirt some of them, and then it becomes a whole OTHER rigamarole.

The dates, "Dec thru May" was a new one for me, too. Don't know if that's new or old and I just didn't know but early signee's can really change things, it seems.

I'll just leave this stuff up to you guys. I'll just ask the dumb questions like, "So how many can we bring in this year?!". Old dog, no new tricks.

 

[ttowncoug]

It's gotten confusing, because they have changed the rules. It used to be you could sign as many as you wanted. You only could add 25 to each class. It was easier to follow.

I too am confused on how we (WSU) count every year's new adds. Just basic math, would tell me the mid-year transfers from 2013 plus the new adds from 2014, put you over 25. Which means they must of had room from the prior year's class for the mid-year guys.

 

[froropmkr72]

Originally posted by ttowncoug:
It's gotten confusing, because they have changed the rules. It used to be you could sign as many as you wanted. You only could add 25 to each class. It was easier to follow.

I too am confused on how we (WSU) count every year's new adds. Just basic math, would tell me the mid-year transfers from 2013 plus the new adds from 2014, put you over 25. Which means they must of had room from the prior year's class for the mid-year guys.

It grows even more confusing when some want to say that there was 25 signed (counted against) the 2014, yet- they don't want to list or prove it. I don't know that there was 25 counted towards 2014 because I'm lacking the verification through the AD or otherwise. We can say there's verification..but then again..it would be easy to prove if true.

 

[dgibbons]

Originally posted by froropmkr72:

Originally posted by ttowncoug:
It's gotten confusing, because they have changed the rules. It used to be you could sign as many as you wanted. You only could add 25 to each class. It was easier to follow.

I too am confused on how we (WSU) count every year's new adds. Just basic math, would tell me the mid-year transfers from 2013 plus the new adds from 2014, put you over 25. Which means they must of had room from the prior year's class for the mid-year guys.

It grows even more confusing when some want to say that there was 25 signed (counted against) the 2014, yet- they don't want to list or prove it. I don't know that there was 25 counted towards 2014 because I'm lacking the verification through the AD or otherwise. We can say there's verification..but then again..it would be easy to prove if true.

If we have extras, Leach can just lock them in a shed for a few months....

 

[Fab5Coug]

Originally posted by YakiCoug:

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:

Originally posted by Coug95man2:
There's no way for me to know who really has an offer from WSU but these are the players that have WSU "high" on their list, still.

Marcus Lewis 4star DB out of Washington DC--- already visited Oct. 2014
Darreyl Patterson 3star DB out of Lawton OK--- visiting 1-30-15
Taeon Mason 4star DB out of Pasadena CA--- already visited Nov. 2014
Sihiem King 3star RB out of Moultrie GA--- visiting 1-23-15
William (Amu) Auwae 2star OL out of Honolulu HI--- No visit planned

That would mean 30 in this class, which can't happen. Either there are 2 here that want to come, and won't. Or there are 2 players that have currently committed and are going to have their offer pulled. This is also assuming we utilize the gray shirt method to the fullest extent for the 2016 class.

Do we all realize, we have 5 DB's committed, with the potential of 3 more coming in, at least according to the above "interest"?!! WOW!!!

I would add TJ Fehoko to your list. Decommitted from CU yesterday and is interested in WSU.

From what I've read, it sounds like Fehoko & Auwae may still have some academic work to do. So, I'm not sure WSU makes room for them if they want to commit. Perhaps good candidates for a grey shirt offer.

I would be rather surprised if Patterson makes the trip next weekend. I'd be surprised if he doesn't commit to Oklahoma soon.

Lewis is said to be deciding very soon. If I had to guess, he ends up at Kentucky or Miami.

Sihiem King, I'm not sure about. Maybe Britton can confirm if he's actually making a trip this weekend. I would guess he ends up at WVU, but that's just a guess.

Mason is the one I think we have the best shot at landing. I think he publically decommitted from USC to see who would call. If no one is calling (or no one better is calling), then I think he ends up at WSU. It's the same thing Austin Maloata did last year, and Oregon came through with a late offer.

Oregon currently has 19 commitments (about half a dozen have already signed), so I will not be surprised in Mason ends up there. I think Lewis ends up at Miami or Kentucky. King goes to WVU. I think our best shot is with Paulo and Fehoko, but there could be a new name that emerges.

I think Paulo is more likely to end up at Oregon than Mason, at least at this point.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Originally posted by froropmkr72:

Originally posted by ttowncoug:
It's gotten confusing, because they have changed the rules. It used to be you could sign as many as you wanted. You only could add 25 to each class. It was easier to follow.

I too am confused on how we (WSU) count every year's new adds. Just basic math, would tell me the mid-year transfers from 2013 plus the new adds from 2014, put you over 25. Which means they must of had room from the prior year's class for the mid-year guys.

It grows even more confusing when some want to say that there was 25 signed (counted against) the 2014, yet- they don't want to list or prove it. I don't know that there was 25 counted towards 2014 because I'm lacking the verification through the AD or otherwise. We can say there's verification..but then again..it would be easy to prove if true.

I think Dave Emerick will provide that information, if asked about it. I know BX has said they have confirmed with WSU that they have no room to backfill scholarships. I tend to just take their (or Britton's) word for it.

 

[froropmkr72]

Originally posted by dgibbons:

Originally posted by froropmkr72:

Originally posted by ttowncoug:
It's gotten confusing, because they have changed the rules. It used to be you could sign as many as you wanted. You only could add 25 to each class. It was easier to follow.

I too am confused on how we (WSU) count every year's new adds. Just basic math, would tell me the mid-year transfers from 2013 plus the new adds from 2014, put you over 25. Which means they must of had room from the prior year's class for the mid-year guys.

It grows even more confusing when some want to say that there was 25 signed (counted against) the 2014, yet- they don't want to list or prove it. I don't know that there was 25 counted towards 2014 because I'm lacking the verification through the AD or otherwise. We can say there's verification..but then again..it would be easy to prove if true.

If we have extras, Leach can just lock them in a shed for a few months....

Seriously, I have a few suggestions for him and they're being built at an enormous rate around the Pullman area!!! SOB'n Tools!

Put your tools in here.

 

[ttowncoug]

It's easier to follow the math knowing that we can only put 25 new guys on scholarships this fall.

 

[froropmkr72]

I think Dave Emerick will provide that information, if asked about
it. I know BX has said they have confirmed with WSU that they have no
room to backfill scholarships. I tend to just take their (or Britton's)
word for it.

Just don't say you know it....simply list the 25.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Originally posted by froropmkr72:
I think Dave Emerick will provide that information, if asked about
it. I know BX has said they have confirmed with WSU that they have no
room to backfill scholarships. I tend to just take their (or Britton's)
word for it.

Just don't say you know it....simply list the 25.

I don't know the 25 because I don't remember who from the '13 class may have delayed, who from the '14 class may have been back counted, I don't know what walk ons were granted scholarships and when, I don't recall every transfer and when they enrolled.

There's really some guessing as to whose scholarship counts where, but in looking at that class, I would guess...

1 Hanser
2 Bender
3 Hoyd
4 Andre
5 Harrington
6 Green
7 Griffin
8 Luvu
9 Krepsz
10 Tapa
11 Dillard
12 Evers
13 Begg
14 Fernandez
15 Canada
16 Mata'afa
17 Hameed
18 Porter
19 Ware
20 Pippins
21 Leniu
22 Farrar
23 Falk
24 LaRue
25

I don't know who the 25th was. I don't think Canty ever actually enrolled. Maybe one of the late guys from 2013? Paris Taylor or Devante McClain? Maybe a walk on was awarded a scholarship that counted?

 

[YakiCoug]

Originally posted by Fab5Coug:

Originally posted by froropmkr72:
I think Dave Emerick will provide that information, if asked about
it. I know BX has said they have confirmed with WSU that they have no
room to backfill scholarships. I tend to just take their (or Britton's)
word for it.

Just don't say you know it....simply list the 25.

I don't know the 25 because I don't remember who from the '13 class may have delayed, who from the '14 class may have been back counted, I don't know what walk ons were granted scholarships and when, I don't recall every transfer and when they enrolled.

There's really some guessing as to whose scholarship counts where, but in looking at that class, I would guess...

1 Hanser
2 Bender
3 Hoyd
4 Andre
5 Harrington
6 Green
7 Griffin
8 Luvu
9 Krepsz
10 Tapa
11 Dillard
12 Evers
13 Begg
14 Fernandez
15 Canada
16 Mata'afa
17 Hameed
18 Porter
19 Ware
20 Pippins
21 Leniu
22 Farrar
23 Falk
24 LaRue
25

I don't know who the 25th was. I don't think Canty ever actually enrolled. Maybe one of the late guys from 2013? Paris Taylor or Devante McClain? Maybe a walk on was awarded a scholarship that counted?

I'd have to look it up again, but if a recruit who qualifies chooses to not enroll and is released from his NLI, I'm not sure he still counts among the 25. But I think it's fricking crazy and unfair to count non-qualifying signees among the 25. I'd like to know who pushed this rule change. I smell an Emmert.

 

[ElComanche]

Digressing to talking about players. I see where Siheim King will visit this weekend. I really like this guy.If they could put a guy like this at slot receiver,they would have a real potential for a game breaker at that position. Instead of just moving the chains ,he would be hard to cover and could break big plays from that position.