Sounds like Cal and Stanford aren't getting an invite
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I think Utah really wanted the PAC to work out. Long shot that they’d stay? They’d have a fairly clear path to the playoff.
I'm not holding my breath about Stanford and Cal joining the MWC. I could more realistically envision them joining a soon to be modified ACC conference with much stronger academic partners.
The Big 12 is pissed at Utah right now. We might take them but they’ve been awful the whole time. Their admins were rude when first approached. They really don’t want to be in a conference with BYU. Since BYU covers the Utah/Salt Lake area, they might be left out.
I could see a scenario with SDSU to the Big 12 with the two Arizona schools. That would leave 5 pac schools to cobble something together with MWC teams.
I could see a scenario with SDSU to the Big 12 with the two Arizona schools. That would leave 5 pac schools to cobble something together with MWC teams.
If Stanford, Cal, WSU,OSU and Utah remain I’d lay my money on SDSU making it a 6 PAC and adding from there.
Nice. It’s always fun when people try to provide info and get trashed. I’m not an employee of any Big 12 school or the conference. I am pretty connected with two different Big 12 schools. Take that however you want.
The Big 12 approached Colorado, Utah, and the two Arizona schools last summer. They wanted the 4 corners schools after USC and UCLA left.
Arizona and Colorado were both cordial. “Thanks for calling but we’re going to wait and see what happens with the PAC TV contract. We’ll call you back.”
Arizona St was less receptive “We’re committed to the PAC.”
Utah said “ We only see ourselves academically in the PAC. We aren’t a cultural fit the the Big 12. “
That’s why the Big 12 pursued Colorado and Arizona first. They were the most receptive. It’s also why they’re leaking stories that they may stop at 14 schools. They’re forcing Oregon and Washington to decide right now so they can take those two or move on to other options.
If the Big 12 takes Utah, it will be because Oregon and Washington went to B1G and the TV networks decided they want Utah. Yormark and most of the school leaders don’t want Utah at this point. Utah and BYU flat hate each other and don’t want to be in the same conference.
SDSU was a surprise to me. I still wonder if they’re being leaked to try to force the hands of PAC schools. They do offer great basketball, the California market, and the pacific time zone that Yormack desires.
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Honestly it matches everything that's come out of SLC. Utah was psyched to join the Pac 12. I assume because we were the first to come calling and because of the academic reputation, it would very much feel like a begrudged move if they left.
The above is accurate. Big 12 has cooled on Utah and their 'cultural fit' nonsense. They have been too negative on the Big 12 and that has not gone over well, plus the Big 12 already has the ratings prize, BYU. Arizona has been receptive since day one, like Colorado. The Arizona regents may not give Yormark a choice of taking only Arizona, he may have to take Arizona St. as well. If that happens, he wants UConn to get to 16, and build on what is already the best BB conference in the nation, but, he doesn't have the votes at this time to bring UConn on. It seems like no one knows what to do with Stanford and Cal., including Stanford and Cal.
I don't get SDSU. They just don't have the horses (ratings) to not be a drain.
No offense to Arizona, but outside of basketball.....meh. They've finished ranked in football a total of one time in the past 24 years and it was only #17. Since 1980, they've finished with 9+ wins a total of four times. The lowly Cougs have had 9+ wins a total of nine times in the same time span. I still don't know how they beat UCLA last year. They lost to every other school in the Top 75 other than the Bruins (0-7 except for UCLA). The only regret that I'd have is that I never made it to Tucson for a game.
Cal and Stanford do not rely on athletics as a marketing tool for the university and/or to keep their donations and their enrollment numbers up. For them, they could easily take the Ivy League approach, and very few alums would object. I just don't see them joining a bunch of "fog the mirror" admit schools just to stay in "major" college sports. For them, there has always been a strong anti big time athletics movement in both schools. Cal Tech plays sports, in the minor leagues. I think, assuming they don't get a Big 12 life line, it is as likely that they just deemphasize athletics.
yes, Exactly
Many speculate Stanford just goes Indy, like their buddies ND,... at least for now, for a few yrs then they will join ND if/when down the road ND joins the B1G, once the 20-24 team Big-3 Super Conf. are in play.
For now, Indy for STAN and they can easily get some Streaming deals with Apple+ or Amazon, work some deals easily - as Stan has no issues with $$ and budgets.
CAL will de-emphasize sports, they been trending that direction past few yrs already.
I don't care for rubberneckers.
The "insider" information is hearsay at best, blind speculation at worst.
But hey, feel free to come roast marshmallows over the embers of our league.
Yeah...great policy to be a dick to someone coming over to our site. Great way to represent.
We were in Tucson for a game and their fans were complete A-holes.
You come to our site for anything other than condolences or congratulations then you're likely to get a less than warm reception from me, idgaf. The only other reasons are to rub it in or sit on their "we still have a conference throne".
I'm not going to just trust some internet random because they make statements that can't be confirmed, but hey... trust him because he knows the secret handshake. GTFO here with that.
And speaking of being a dick, shouldn't you get back to fighting with Ed or biggs or whoever and derailing entire threads?
You're right - Cal Tech plays sports in NCAA Division 3. Division 3 schools can't offer sports scholarships.
Nah they're gone. But I'm sure they were the case study on finances for Oregon and Washington. I also have a feeling in my gut that Oregon and Washington factored in not wanting to kill the conference and access to the playoff.
I think that this might be the case as well. One has to believe that the mega donors for both these schools may have spoken out against the move. I am assuming that the people that contribute a significant amount of $$$ have very loud voices and are expressing their contempt. Even though they may throw ridiculous amounts of money at these schools, they're also just as passionate about the long term effects it will have on all schools. Keeping the tradition and this conference together appears to be the emotional sentiment for all affected.
I'm not sure how ridiculous the money can get. Sounds like the ante has been upped this morning. How would you go about convincing the lower half of the Big Ten to give up 5-10 million each to cover Oregon and Washington and take some more L's?
Agree. My sense is Phil Knight is against it, namely for Oregon. (edit, report was nothing but smokescreen by UW and Oregon).
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Why would O and W want leave the P12--where they have a good chance each year to be champs--to go to the B1G where their chances drop significantly. Heck, U$C and FUCLA can't seem to win the P12 championship, how do they think they'll fare in the B1G?
It seems all about the Benjamins. F the championships, just show me the $$.
Money, then what you might call prestige or a desire for relevance. Finally, protecting the downside. 95% money.
Latest report is that they're only going to get 50% of what the rest of the B1G is getting. Rumor I should say, because none of the reporting by anyone has been actually confirmed by any of the schools.
So if money is the motivating factor, what does a half share say?
Think it was worth it for Nebraska? That’s what UW and OR are fixing to become.
Husker fans in general are quite happy in the Big 10. When the Big 8 went to Big 12 by adding the Texas schools most Huskers couldn't wait to get out of the conference (especially when the Big 12 forced a Husker/Buffalo rivalry narrative.)
Well, it might be worth it for them in hindsight. They're now securely positioned in one of the top conferences, and given the rickety state of the B12 with Texas and Oklahoma departing, they would be facing an uncertain future.
They were king shit in that conference though along with Oklahoma. Texas always underperformed. They’ve been trash ever since they made the move.
What’s the point of taking more money if you never win anything with it?
The percentages stay roughly the same in that event, with a bit more toward protecting the downside. Very interesting if that turns out to be accurate, though.
Remember that they could push for bigger shares later. If, say, UW and Oregon are productive members of the Big Ten for even just a few years--yeah, it makes me puke, too, but bear with me here--they would have a legitimate beef with schools like Purdue getting twice what they get, regardless of history, tradition, or any of that, all of which increasingly will be out the window anyway. imagine if the Pac-12 wasn't falling apart and Utah had come in at a half share in 2011. It would have been able to change that a long time ago. Not quite the same situation since UW and Oregon have geography working against them with regard to alternatives, but still, pretty similar.
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