Pat Chun appeared Tuesday on 'Cougs in 60' program.
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Story: Chun, Kent will meet after P12 Tourney to discuss 'solution' for woes
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Just watched the 2008 WSU-Notre Dame BB game on the Pac-12 network. Guess that crap station is good for something.
"They imposed their will on us"
What a great memory. Low, Weaver, Rochestie, Robbie, Gump, Daven,...…….and Baynes….swoon.
$5 sez CEK is gone. One year payoff for his resignation. Then I'll change my handle to NostradamusCoug.
"They imposed their will on us"
What a great memory. Low, Weaver, Rochestie, Robbie, Gump, Daven,...…….and Baynes….swoon.
$5 sez CEK is gone. One year payoff for his resignation. Then I'll change my handle to NostradamusCoug.
The Sweet 16 game is always a good watch. ND had no answer in that game.
Last year Chun basically gave Kent 2 years tops. At least that was my read. I just can't see where the money is coming from even if they spread it out over more than the 4 or 5 year standard. If Kent was coming back though it seems like Chun would have made between-the-lines statement indicating it in interviews. So it seems headed in that direction. It is what it is either way.
I'm pretty confident Chun will find a quality hire even with all the challenges to deal with.
Last year Chun basically gave Kent 2 years tops. At least that was my read. I just can't see where the money is coming from even if they spread it out over more than the 4 or 5 year standard. If Kent was coming back though it seems like Chun would have made between-the-lines statement indicating it in interviews. So it seems headed in that direction. It is what it is either way.
I'm pretty confident Chun will find a quality hire even with all the challenges to deal with.
Something even better than that: A learned coach like Jim Walden or Len Stevens will join the radio broadcast team.Maybe more recruiting money? Maybe charter flights?
Largest margin of victory in Tournament history. I would say that puts a neat bow on the Kent-era.
Simply embarrassing game last night. Players clearly quit out there and probably quit on Ernie several weeks ago. A 21-loss season with a down year for the Pac-12 and one of the easiest non-conference schedules in the nation. The program is worse now than when Ernie arrived. For most of the season, Cal looked like the worst team in the country. Is there any doubt now that they were better at the end of the year than WSU? Contract or not, time for a change. Not sure how it's done, where the money will come from, whether EK is willing to negotiate a reasonable buyout, etc. But WSU can't afford to dig a deeper hole in being competitive. 5 years is enough to know whether a coach is going to get the job done. Hopefully EK will recognize all this and won't want to hurt the program and school any longer by insisting a full buyout. Time to be reasonable.
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I feel bad for Ernie and the team because I think that they started believing in themselves in the desert.....but they couldn't hold up once adversity arrived again. I agree that Ernie should do the right thing and be willing to negotiate with Chun to make the buyout more reasonable. If I were Chun, I'd ask him to take half the money over a five year period ($400k per year). It would suck to be paying him that long, but it would put us in the position to be able to make it happen.
More germane to the argument is why they quit. If it was because they realized EK hadn't provided them with the tools to compete and succeed against other Pac-12 programs whose coaching staffs had provided such tools for their teams, then that is a condemning and sad scenario--one which has now played out for five consecutive seasons.
Those two games in Arizona were certainly outliers. ASU was something like 3-28 from 3 point range at some point in that game. I could charitably give WSU's defense some of the credit for that, but it was just one of those games that a lot of teams seem to have in this day and age when 3-point shooting is a major part of everyone's offense. If I remember right, that combined with Franks having a fantastic offensive game led to the convincing victory. Franks did the same thing vs. Arizona, which obviously is not the Wildcats of old. (They were the first to lose in the conference tournament yesterday). Not taking credit away from WSU, but those two wins in the desert were fool's gold, not some kind of "turning the corner" for the program. Once teams started focusing on Franks, the rest of the team couldn't fill the gap....and the lack of depth (largely due to injuries) doomed the team. In all 4 conference wins this year, Robert Franks was the major reason for the victory. His graduation will have a large impact, even accounting for Elleby and others improving with another year of experience.
Every year, the refrain has been the same. Expectations for improvement are high, recruiting has gotten better, the team is poised to finish at or above .500. Then the season goes south, and the cycle continues. Time to break the cycle and give everyone some hope for the future.
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There is only one guy I know of that would do that and that is Doba. Kent will demand his money . It is contractually owed .
Ernie has coached his last game, he has to look at his body of work at WSU for the past 5 years and be totally embarrassed. The only way he can leave with some dignity is to resign and accept some type of buy out at less than 50% of what he is owed.
It does ot sound like Kent thinks that he is going anywhere. He sounds raring to go on the recruiting trail.
What fantasy world are you living in? Why would he accept less than what he is owed. The ONLY way anyone takes the Shawn Kemp discount is if they have embarrassing dirt on him. If they do he will go quietly like one of our former DB coaches did years back. If not, he will be getting every dollar.
Doba initially asked Sterk for an extension during his firetirement mtg.
Nice guy but got paid in full for 2009 for basically not managing his lazy ass WSU alum assistants.
Later on it became a "dadgum drug problem" when Walden needed ammunition for Wulff's retention.
I do not think that WSU has the dollars to buy out his contract. it is an interesting situation Perhaps one more year on a make good season agreement? So unless there are some things going on behind the scenes Kent has them over a a barrel as far as finances go.
Wow who said Doba didn't get paid his money owed to him. He is the only guy I know who would not get it paid in the manner it was supposed to be paid out. Doba allowed the payoff to be over several years versus the one year owed in full.
If Kent is owed 2 mil over two years and it is a mil a year, that is what it will cost to get him to leave. They are paying him one way or another his full contract and on time unless there is private dirt on him.
I have been of that thinking since last year but I think the end of season collapse pushes us into a corner to end it now.
I guess that historians will have to find the buried treasure chests in the Palouse? If Chun moves forward like you guys want him to,he will be talking to lawyers and not EK. Payment in full will be requested.
No request is necessary.
If our hands our financially tied Chun probably tells him that he has next year but is done at the end of the season. I remember that's what happened with Stevens when he opted for UNR (Nevada).
If our hands our financially tied Chun probably tells him that he has next year but is done at the end of the season. I remember that's what happened with Stevens when he opted for UNR (Nevada).
I'm curious....and I ask this question respectfully. If there was zero, 1 or 2 years left on the contract, would you think firing Kent would be the right thing to do or do you think he's shown enough to be given another year or more? I remember you posting before the season started that Kent would have to win THIS year or he should go. I'm not sure how many games you felt he needed to win, but that was the sentiment I recall.
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WSU s hands are tied financially. And no Kent did not produce this season on the court. One can argue circumstances and injuries but the won-loss record is what ultimately counts.Did the recruiting improve ? Very much so in my opinion. In today's world the "right thing to do" is to take care of oneself and their family financially. If i were in Kent s shoes ,i would ask for the full amount of monies legally owed me if i was illegally wrongfully terminated
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Repeat yourself much, El? Do you think EK will ask demand his full payout? You seem a little wishy washy on it.
Here's my comment. Many of you have said what a "good guy" CEK is. I don't think he is, but that's just my gut. 'Ole. So if he is a "good guy", then he should want do do the right thing for the kids and the program, right? Which is to retire at a reduced payout. You can't tell me that he "needs" the money. So is he a "good guy" or not? Guess we will find out soon.
I know that the Gary Andersen's of the world are rare, but some other people actually do the right thing. Like Aron Baynes taking a little less in his contract than deserved to help secure a teammate's signing.
Didn't Taylor Rochestie give up his scholarship (he comes from a wealthy family) so that WSU could sign Marcus Capers?
I'm still intrigued by Chun's comment that EK "will do what's best for Washington State University."
I'm not going to begrudge Ernie for taking all the money but it would certainly help a financially beleaguered athletic department and the program if he stepped down at a reduced rate.
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I'm still intrigued by Chun's comment that EK "will do what's best for Washington State University."
I'm not going to begrudge Ernie for taking all the money but it would certainly help a financially beleaguered athletic department and the program if he stepped down at a reduced rate.
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Why shouldn't WSU honor it's contract? Why is it the "right thing to do" for Kent to walk away from it? Baynes taking less money isn't anything like walking away from a contract. If Baynes were to get injured is it the right thing for him to walk away because of it? $*** happens.Repeat yourself much, El? Do you think EK will ask demand his full payout? You seem a little wishy washy on it.
Here's my comment. Many of you have said what a "good guy" CEK is. I don't think he is, but that's just my gut. 'Ole. So if he is a "good guy", then he should want do do the right thing for the kids and the program, right? Which is to retire at a reduced payout. You can't tell me that he "needs" the money. So is he a "good guy" or not? Guess we will find out soon.
I know that the Gary Andersen's of the world are rare, but some other people actually do the right thing. Like Aron Baynes taking a little less in his contract than deserved to help secure a teammate's signing.
I never wanted Kent as the coach but there are 2 sides to the coin and what you want isn't what a "class" organization should do when things don't work out.
If he takes that deal I'll have a whole new respect for the man. But the truth is that he's tarnished whatever coaching cred or reputation he had by running this program into the ground, and his next stop will be a much lesser paying job. He needs this contract to retire on.
Then again, maybe Nebraska needs a basketball coach...
Bone ran it to the ground, Kent finished the job and put it 6 ft under.
Good enough?
I had my financial doubts heading into the Tournament but after that cluster it seemed obvious this was a done deal.
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