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You could also make an argument to the contrary: a lot of dysfunction in our legislative bodies today is due to people with little to no government experience, many of whom clearly couldn’t pass a basic civics course.
I’d argue that the bigger problem is the career politicians who have been there too long and now function only to enrich themselves and their corporate sponsors.

That belief is what makes Nikki Haley my current personal front-runner. She’s the only one publicly in favor of term limits.
 
Loyal -- what exactly is your point about Claude Dallas and Ruby Ridge? Claude was a transplant from back east and an Oregon resident that killed two IDF&G officers. Not sure why that's an indictment on the state of idaho. The Weavers were also transplants that moved to Idaho (to disappear) not long before their brush with the law, and then the whole thing blew up as a result of the feds. Again, not sure why that's a black eye on idaho.

You tend to generalize a lot and label anyone/anything that doesn't share your opinion as an idiot or POS.

Is there anything, or anyone, or anywhere that you DO like?
Ruff… in cities they have little Italy, the International district etc. it could be said people go where they are comfortable and give them refuge .

Generalizations are generally a big fail. Sand Point for example has a reputation, earned or accurate or not ?
 
I’d argue that the bigger problem is the career politicians who have been there too long and now function only to enrich themselves and their corporate sponsors.

That belief is what makes Nikki Haley my current personal front-runner. She’s the only one publicly in favor of term limits.
The same Nicki Haley who kicked off her campaign with an intro from her idol the Anti-Semite, anti-Muslim bat-crap eating John Hagee?

Yeah, the “I’m for term limits” bit. You really believe that nonsense? As the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me, you can't get fooled again.
Do you remember 1994 and the contract for America nonsense and term limits? Do you remember that clown George Nethercutt and his term limit lies? It’s a charade.
 
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Well I created quite the shitstorm with this topic. Kind of fun to read! And I forgot about the Aryan Nations and Richard Butler up in Hayden Lake. I worked a black guy who liked to fish but said there were a couple of places in Central Idaho he would not go because of his skin color.

Anyway, sorry to inflame everybody! Somebody else start a thread that we can all enjoy.
I also have a friend who also is african american and liked to fish. When he was a guest to our lake place, the Palouse farmers dropped the n-word in droves to my dad after the visit. He told them to f*ck off.

That was back in the late 70's/early 80's. Butler's dead. So are all those racist Palouse farmers.

So what's your point? That some magic line divides the righteous from the a$$holes.
 
Your observation and mine are the same. The influx to Idaho from western Washington, Oregon, and California seems to be less about idaho being a red state and more about what they see as an escape from deteriorating conditions in there home state, and a move to a scenic place that is (was) affordable. I'm hoping for a couple very hard winters to reverse the flow a bit.
That’s not why they are going tk idaho …

The rich people don’t want to retire in the state of Washington or Cali because of the death tax .Idaho and Nevada are much more friendly .
 
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Guess which state is consistently at or near the top in hate crimes nationwide?
Washington.
In 2021 the Evergreen State led the nation in number of hate crimes.
Now which state is consistently in the bottom third of hate crimes nationwide?
Idaho.
But hey, you go right on believing that Idaho is full of white supremacists and racists while Washington is this enlightened, accepting state.
Misleading - There’s no one to “hate” in Idaho.
 
Speaking of over generalizing I strongly doubt that about your average Spokane County resident. And certainly not the better educated and more affluent.

Now if you want to talk about Spokane Valley there are plenty of wackos there that fit in great with the Kootenai County crazies.
In County wide elections, the County almost always votes republican. Look at the County Commissioner races. Big pockets of the City of Spokane are liberal but even city wide it’s pretty close to 50-50.
 
The same Nicki Haley who kicked off her campaign with an intro from her idol the Anti-Semite, anti-Muslim bat-crap eating John Hagee?

Yeah, the “I’m for term limits” bit. You really believe that nonsense? As the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you, fool me, you can't get fooled again.
Do you remember 1994 and the contract for America nonsense and term limits? Do you remember that clown George Nethercutt and his term limit lies? It’s a charade.
Well…nobody’s perfect.

She won’t make it far anyway, and I’m not voting for anyone based on one statement (unlike many voters, who vote based on the one letter behind their name). But at the moment, that’s the only positive I’ve seen from 11 republican candidates.

Always pissed me off that right after Washington said clearly we wanted term limits, Tom Foley came out against them and Nethercutt used it to beat him. Mostly I was pissed that voters couldn’t figure out that Nethercutt was a moron.
 
Ruff… in cities they have little Italy, the International district etc. it could be said people go where they are comfortable and give them refuge .

Generalizations are generally a big fail. Sand Point for example has a reputation, earned or accurate or not ?

Having grown up in E Washington and N Idaho, moving away for approx 15 yrs to live and work across the US, and coming back 20 yrs sgo, I've got 45 yrs of direct observation here in and among the masses of N Idaho and will disagree with you. I think those groups come here less because they are made to feel welcome or comfortable, and more because the terrain and trees and sparse population make it easy to go relatively unnoticed and do their own thing, and there's a very strong "I'll tolerate your views/lifestyle/choices as long as you don't interfere with mine" attitude here. Those fringe groups make the news, but don't represent the mentality of the general population.

Loyal, etc point to Ruby Ridge, Claude Dallas, and Richard Butler as ammo to demean Idaho and its population, but conveniently ignore the fact that all of that occurred between 20 and 40 yrs ago. I'm smart enough to recognize the CHAZ debacle of Seattle a couple years ago doesn't characterize all of Washington state's population, and I expect a little of the same courtesy in return.
 
In County wide elections, the County almost always votes republican. Look at the County Commissioner races. Big pockets of the City of Spokane are liberal but even city wide it’s pretty close to 50-50.
Spokane City Council is a 5-2 majority of liberals/progressives. Spokane County Commissioners is the opposite majority.

And, oh, that guy named Foley was a Democrat and did ok in Spokane politics for quite a while, too.

But it's so much easier to just label everyone in the 509 as racists, right wing extremists.
 
Ruff…
... Sand Point for example has a reputation, earned or accurate or not ?
No clue what your understanding and interpretation of Sandpoint even is. Im in and around that area regrlularly, so if you're a King County resident (or thereabouts) I'm guessing yours is vastly different than mine.
 
Spokane City Council is a 5-2 majority of liberals/progressives. Spokane County Commissioners is the opposite majority.

And, oh, that guy named Foley was a Democrat and did ok in Spokane politics for quite a while, too.

But it's so much easier to just label everyone in the 509 as racists, right wing extremists.
Spent much time in Colfax? Or Ritzville?
 
That’s not why they are going tk idaho …

The rich people don’t want to retire in the state of Washington or Cali because of the death tax .Idaho and Nevada are much more friendly .
Hunh. Out of the myriad of newcomers to N Idaho I've chatted with over the past 2 years, I've yet to hear that line of reasoning. Not once.
 
That’s not why they are going tk idaho …

The rich people don’t want to retire in the state of Washington or Cali because of the death tax .Idaho and Nevada are much more friendly .
So they can pay income tax in Idaho every year until they die? Not sure I follow that logic - although to be fair I have no idea what inheritance tax looks like in Washington, Cali or Idaho. But how about you gift the nontaxable annual max to your kids and family (still 10K?/year) then will a buttload to charity?
 
No clue what your understanding and interpretation of Sandpoint even is. Im in and around that area regrlularly, so if you're a King County resident (or thereabouts) I'm guessing yours is vastly different than mine.
I haven't been to Sandpoint in 5-6 years, but it seemed like a somewhat moderate city to me. Farther North? Not so much.

Oh and edit - notice how I changed the thread title to friendly it up? Hahahaha! I'm a sly one!
 
In County wide elections, the County almost always votes republican. Look at the County Commissioner races. Big pockets of the City of Spokane are liberal but even city wide it’s pretty close to 50-50.
Oh sure - Spokane has always been pretty conservative but I wouldn’t lump all conservatives or all people voting Republican in with the brand they are selling in Idaho.
 
So they can pay income tax in Idaho every year until they die? Not sure I follow that logic - although to be fair I have no idea what inheritance tax looks like in Washington, Cali or Idaho. But how about you gift the nontaxable annual max to your kids and family (still 10K?/year) then will a buttload to charity?
15K/year tax free but assuming a spouse each parent can gift so it’s up to 30K/year.
 
15K/year tax free but assuming a spouse each parent can gift so it’s up to 30K/year.
Damn I'm going to have to nut up to my kids and soon to be 2nd grandkid. Although I'm not rich - gotta hold a bit back for whoever the next golddigger is. And my liver transplant.
 
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Well…nobody’s perfect.

She won’t make it far anyway, and I’m not voting for anyone based on one statement (unlike many voters, who vote based on the one letter behind their name). But at the moment, that’s the only positive I’ve seen from 11 republican candidates.

Always pissed me off that right after Washington said clearly we wanted term limits, Tom Foley came out against them and Nethercutt used it to beat him. Mostly I was pissed that voters couldn’t figure out that Nethercutt was a moron.
Foley got the boot in large part due to the House banking scandal and anti-democrat vitriol of Newt and Co. fueled by cable TV and the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Stupid farmers voted against him too even though he was real good to them.

Never forget how Spokane became a national laughingstock; “they thought they were voting for the new Speaker of the House” was how the joke went.

Nethercutt was such a worthless loser GWB made him walk the plank by telling him to run for US Senate against Patty Murray.
 
No clue what your understanding and interpretation of Sandpoint even is. Im in and around that area regrlularly, so if you're a King County resident (or thereabouts) I'm guessing yours is vastly different than mine.
I do g have an observation of Idaho, or Idaho . I am no position . It is someone’s home . Someone who lived in wva from 8-12, family after I was 20 moved to Oklahoma and then Indiana, with stops in between , Idaho wva etc are someone’s home and they live their home .

You mention Sandpoint and northern Idaho it has a rep , or at least a false narrative of n Idaho but still a narrative .

As for why people are moving there, I do know last weekend a good friend went and looked at a home in Gozzer Ranch . He could buy in Chelan , he already has a place right across the street from Coachella.

He is a guy who I disagree with on some political issues but live having a convo debate with him . A year ago he flat out said “we can never let trump get his hand on power again and he voted for him twice .

Two weeks ago we talked and he said if it is Biden and trump he will vote for trump .. why … money . He doesn’t want his family to lose what he thinks is 71% of his estate when he goes …

Anyways why Idaho and not Chelan for example ? Money . He would move there to save the inheritance for his kids and if they have kids their inheritance .
 
I do g have an observation of Idaho, or Idaho . I am no position . It is someone’s home . Someone who lived in wva from 8-12, family after I was 20 moved to Oklahoma and then Indiana, with stops in between , Idaho wva etc are someone’s home and they live their home .

You mention Sandpoint and northern Idaho it has a rep , or at least a false narrative of n Idaho but still a narrative .

As for why people are moving there, I do know last weekend a good friend went and looked at a home in Gozzer Ranch . He could buy in Chelan , he already has a place right across the street from Coachella.

He is a guy who I disagree with on some political issues but live having a convo debate with him . A year ago he flat out said “we can never let trump get his hand on power again and he voted for him twice .

Two weeks ago we talked and he said if it is Biden and trump he will vote for trump .. why … money . He doesn’t want his family to lose what he thinks is 71% of his estate when he goes …

Anyways why Idaho and not Chelan for example ? Money . He would move there to save the inheritance for his kids and if they have kids their inheritance .
Still no clue what your understanding or interpretation of Sandpoint is. Please elaborate.

And 1 convo with a dude considering buying at Gozzer Ranch is probably not representative of the general influx moving to Idaho. In my work and play, I get to mix with people from the top of the food chain to the bottom, and I've yet to hear that particular spin.
 
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Foley got the boot in large part due to the House banking scandal and anti-democrat vitriol of Newt and Co. fueled by cable TV and the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Stupid farmers voted against him too even though he was real good to them.

Never forget how Spokane became a national laughingstock; “they thought they were voting for the new Speaker of the House” was how the joke went.

Nethercutt was such a worthless loser GWB made him walk the plank by telling him to run for US Senate against Patty Murray.

Foley was around back in the day when Democrats hadn't lost their damn minds and turned into corporatists, party of the elites, party of the crazy woke religious nuts, etc. It is astonishing how far they've drifted away from their 1980s version (or even 1990s). They've always been the racist party, so that hasn't changed.

PS I have just as much contempt for Republicans, but for other reasons.
 
Another example of why not to live in that POS state. I've been on that stretch of river many times.

Claude Dallas, Ruby Ridge, etc. Can't believe I worked there for damn near 8 years.


I see. So some idiot(s) doing cruel things makes the entire state a POS?

Great logic there.
 
Still no clue what your understanding or interpretation of Sandpoint is. Please elaborate.

And 1 convo with a dude considering buying at Gozzer Ranch is probably not representative of the general influx moving to Idaho. In my work and play, I get to mix with people from the top of the food chain to the bottom, and I've yet to hear that particular spin.
It’s all part of his flex charade on here. He’s done this for years. He tries to name drop wealthy or powerful individuals in his world that nobody on here knows or cares about to somehow solidify his point of view/narrative. He’s to the core a real egotistical Ass
 
So they can pay income tax in Idaho every year until they die? Not sure I follow that logic - although to be fair I have no idea what inheritance tax looks like in Washington, Cali or Idaho. But how about you gift the nontaxable annual max to your kids and family (still 10K?/year) then will a buttload to charity?
It is 16k I believe. That is how I would spend my money, and one of the charities would be wsu. On the other hand I don't tell people how to spend their money.
 
It’s all part of his flex charade on here. He’s done this for years. He tries to name drop wealthy or powerful individuals in his world that nobody on here knows or cares about to somehow solidify his point of view/narrative. He’s to the core a real egotistical Ass
CE, first I would like to congratulate you on not doxing me and putting up my name and address. You have grown up I see.

Second, you are half right, Egotistical? Nope. Not one bit egotistical.

Third, if I was name dropping I would drop names not a profile. And so you know, I know the 1% ers because I coached their daughters in basketball 15 years ago.

Fourth, the multi millionaires I know are really good people. What they do and how they spend their money is vastly different than what I do. But I am the biggest socialist when I am invited to an event as I am more than happy to drink their expensive booze. And there are about 10 people I know who want too buy outside of their homes in Cali and the state of Washington to try and preserve multigenerational wealth, and they know many more.

Fifth, is this about me knowing one person in the athletic department that claimed Leach wanted to retain Chris Ball hand would have promoted him to dc in 14 when he fired Breske?

And away from your half correct opinion about me, I do wish for Leach's sake he stayed. There is very little doubt he would still be alive today.

He is a treasure off the field and it is too bad he died at such a young age.
 
It is 16k I believe. That is how I would spend my money, and one of the charities would be wsu. On the other hand I don't tell people how to spend their money.
Annual gift tax exclusion is $17K (single) and $34K for a married couple. Lifetime gift limit is $12.92 million.
 
Annual gift tax exclusion is $17K (single) and $34K for a married couple. Lifetime gift limit is $12.92 million.
I stand corrected too - it is 17K for 23’. Was 16k for 22’ and 15k for the previous 4 years. Adjusting for high inflation?
 
Spent any time in downtown Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, or LA recently?
Actually drove into east Portland today for a haircut on Sandy blvd where I’ve been getting my hair cut for about 15 years - no sign of homeless or their trash, or campers, stolen shit etc. as lots of them have been forced to move but it still looks like a god damned war zone with all of the vacant, boarded up and graffitied store fronts.
 
So they can pay income tax in Idaho every year until they die? Not sure I follow that logic - although to be fair I have no idea what inheritance tax looks like in Washington, Cali or Idaho. But how about you gift the nontaxable annual max to your kids and family (still 10K?/year) then will a buttload to charity?
ID and WA BOTH want your money, they just go about it in different ways. Before I retired (2012) I did a lot of investigation into how the two states taxed their citizens and how it compared. I wanted to know if there was a significant difference that should guide us into determining which side of the state line we lived, given that we were zeroing in on the Spokane/CDA area to move to. Given our known savings and projected future income from pensions, Social Security, and IRA/401k withdrawals, it turned out that there was no major difference. I suspected that ID MIGHT be slightly more expensive ($500-1,000/ year) in the long run, which was not enough to dictate staying in WA to retire. So we looked at property in both areas and finally got lucky with a wonderful place north of CDA.

Now I am dealing with another tax dilemma. Due to several factors, including the early loss of my wife, I am dealing with a decision about whether to move back to WA and build a home on a long time family property on Big Lake near Mt Vernon. Here is something that may shock some of you- if I do build there and have a place somewhat comparable to what I have here in ID, what I pay in property taxes each year would go from about $5,000 in ID to ~$15,000 or more in WA! So yeah, no income tax but boy do you take it in the shorts on property taxes. PLUS, I have recently realized that now itemized deductions of property taxes are limited to $10,000, so you don't get to take full advantage of that on your federal return. And BTW, pretty sure that vehicle registrations are considerably more expensive in WA, which would kick me in the nuts due to having some classic cars along with my Highlander and Silverado.

Regarding inheritance/death taxes, WA forks you over there also. Per the estate attorney I talked with, federal estate taxes start over $10,000,000 IIRC. But WA starts their estate taxes at ~$2,200,000, with the rates increasing from 10% to 20%! And would you like to know the REALLY fun part? When you die you don't need to be living in WA to have them screw you over. If you own property in WA, like a rental property or vacation cabin, they will tax you based on the value of your entire estate, not just the WA property.

It really is a complicated situation for me, factoring in all those tax considerations with other non-financial issues. I'm working on it. Should the deciding factor be that it would make it MUCH harder and costly to attend Cougar games?
 
ID and WA BOTH want your money, they just go about it in different ways. Before I retired (2012) I did a lot of investigation into how the two states taxed their citizens and how it compared. I wanted to know if there was a significant difference that should guide us into determining which side of the state line we lived, given that we were zeroing in on the Spokane/CDA area to move to. Given our known savings and projected future income from pensions, Social Security, and IRA/401k withdrawals, it turned out that there was no major difference. I suspected that ID MIGHT be slightly more expensive ($500-1,000/ year) in the long run, which was not enough to dictate staying in WA to retire. So we looked at property in both areas and finally got lucky with a wonderful place north of CDA.

Now I am dealing with another tax dilemma. Due to several factors, including the early loss of my wife, I am dealing with a decision about whether to move back to WA and build a home on a long time family property on Big Lake near Mt Vernon. Here is something that may shock some of you- if I do build there and have a place somewhat comparable to what I have here in ID, what I pay in property taxes each year would go from about $5,000 in ID to ~$15,000 or more in WA! So yeah, no income tax but boy do you take it in the shorts on property taxes. PLUS, I have recently realized that now itemized deductions of property taxes are limited to $10,000, so you don't get to take full advantage of that on your federal return. And BTW, pretty sure that vehicle registrations are considerably more expensive in WA, which would kick me in the nuts due to having some classic cars along with my Highlander and Silverado.

Regarding inheritance/death taxes, WA forks you over there also. Per the estate attorney I talked with, federal estate taxes start over $10,000,000 IIRC. But WA starts their estate taxes at ~$2,200,000, with the rates increasing from 10% to 20%! And would you like to know the REALLY fun part? When you die you don't need to be living in WA to have them screw you over. If you own property in WA, like a rental property or vacation cabin, they will tax you based on the value of your entire estate, not just the WA property.

It really is a complicated situation for me, factoring in all those tax considerations with other non-financial issues. I'm working on it. Should the deciding factor be that it would make it MUCH harder and costly to attend Cougar games?
Look into the provisions for transfer on death in Washington. Effectively, it transfers real property immediately upon death - it’s not part of your estate and isn’t subject to probate. I’m not sure if it applies only to primary residence or not.
 
Driving daily from Post Falls-CdA to Spokane there seems to be a heavy stream of Idaho plates driving into Spokane between 7am & 7:45am.

And than from 4:30-5:30 there’s a heavy stream of Idaho plates leaving Spokane & heading back over the border. You’ll find a daily slowing of traffic just past Sullivan Exit on I90.
 
Driving daily from Post Falls-CdA to Spokane there seems to be a heavy stream of Idaho plates driving into Spokane between 7am & 7:45am.

And than from 4:30-5:30 there’s a heavy stream of Idaho plates leaving Spokane & heading back over the border. You’ll find a daily slowing of traffic just past Sullivan Exit on I90.
That’s been the commute pattern for years but it’s starting to change a bit. It’s really hard to live on service job wages in Idaho with their higher housing costs so there’s more and more of those peeps heading to Idaho for work though not necessarily 8-5 ers.

In that subject, Wsdot is completely uninterested in adding lanes to I90 between Barker and State line whereas Idaho is going to expand to 6 lanes from CDA to state line so there will still be a daily bottleneck. WSDOT’s position is they need to commit to maintaining existing lane miles before they expand which makes sense considering the legislature completely defunded preservation and maintenance this last session but come on, that project is a no brainer and the State has lots of money including a pile of $$ from the carbon tax.
 
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