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How very WSU.
We're cutting a portion of a program that has relatively low costs, but we're not looking at the fact that we have 9 deputy/associate athletic directors, 17 coaches 4 GAs and 14 staff for football alone, 5 in the athletics business office - distinct from the 7 in CAF, 1 in branding, and 4 in marketing and promotions, 1 in social media and 2 more in creative video. Athletics has 186 staff members listed on their website. But yeah....shotput and javelin are probably the bigger waste of money.
We're cutting a portion of a program that has relatively low costs, but we're not looking at the fact that we have 9 deputy/associate athletic directors, 17 coaches 4 GAs and 14 staff for football alone, 5 in the athletics business office - distinct from the 7 in CAF, 1 in branding, and 4 in marketing and promotions, 1 in social media and 2 more in creative video. Athletics has 186 staff members listed on their website. But yeah....shotput and javelin are probably the bigger waste of money.
I recognize football drives the budget, but this is ineptitude at its finest by the university and AD. You keep these other athletic programs afloat, whatever way possible. Either kill all athletics or figure it out. Cutting other programs to "save" football is busch f*cking league.
Keep 85 football scholarships, screw the 105. If you want to play, you'll get on the field. Football should take the cut and that money can cover other sport scholarships. WSU can't even use football to prop up their marketing correctly.
WSU isn't f*cking serious about anything.
Keep 85 football scholarships, screw the 105. If you want to play, you'll get on the field. Football should take the cut and that money can cover other sport scholarships. WSU can't even use football to prop up their marketing correctly.
WSU isn't f*cking serious about anything.
Thanks Kurt - I had not seen this. Funny though, today I pulled up the recent e-mail from Anne McCoy, all sunny and happiness. No mention of this development.
95 - stealing my stats I see, but nice to see my thoughts echoed. Bloat and more bloat, but yeah let's cut shotput and javelin.
Birth - I like what you say. Keep FB schollies at 85. If you want to play, come here. If you are really good, ask John Mateer and Cam Ward what that got them after coming here.
Pretty good report by Brand X. I knew John Chaplin (can't say I liked him) but he was legendary. Did not know that he was a champion sprinter in his day. Mooberry was before my time.
Washington State cutting scholarships, events in track and field
'This change gives the program the best opportunity to remain competitive,' says two-paragraph release
247sports.com
Ive been saying this for 25 yrs now. Shitty leadership gets shitty results.
For decades WSU's athletic admin costs were at or near the top of the conference despite being at the bottom in terms of revenue. They were trying to cut men's track scholarships in the 1980s. That is why Chaplin is one of the largest donors to athletics all time, because he had to partially fund his own program. Bobo built the baseball stadium by hand, literally, because the athletics wouldn't help fund it. Layoffs in athletic admin haven't happened in the past. In the future, we could be down to 12 scholarship athletes, but the same admin bloat would remain. As a matter of culture, cuts in athletic admin is not up for serious considered.
As the dad of a T&F er, this breaks my heart. Some kid who will never sniff the NFL and will probably never see much of the field will take a schollie from a kid who is probably going to graduate with a 3.5+ and represent the University well.
First Texas State, now this
No high jump, no pole vault, no discus or hammer or shot put.
WSU athletics has jumped the shark. Fonzie McCoy.
Unbelievable.
No high jump, no pole vault, no discus or hammer or shot put.
WSU athletics has jumped the shark. Fonzie McCoy.
Unbelievable.
Maybe @CougEd or @Loyal Coug1 can explain, but why can't Ann McCoy take a slice of the Pac-12 nest egg and prop up the track and field program until she comes up with a better idea and/or the next Pac-12 media deal in the 2030's?
Because there's no reason to use the nest egg for propping up.
Fonzie McCoy is afraid to ax her friends in the bloated athletic department.
In the private sector, there would have been massive downsizing immediately following the departure of OR, WA, AZ, et. al.
how much can this realisticlly save? not much is my guess, cut a couple of administrators and keep tack whole
Which is why Ann McCoy was the wrong choice.
Should have hired someone who can wield a Budget hatchet without any emotional ties to employees. Once the pruning is complete, hire the “growth” AD to lead the charge in the new reality.
Should have hired someone who can wield a Budget hatchet without any emotional ties to employees. Once the pruning is complete, hire the “growth” AD to lead the charge in the new reality.
Expanding on this. I looked at WSU's FY24 EADA Report (link below). It says we had 10 FT FB coaches and 4 PT (Grad assistants). Now we have 17 FB coaches and 4 Grad Assts.
FY24 EADA Report (PDF) - Washington State University Athletics
FY24 EADA Report (PDF)
wsucougars.com
In Compliance - we have a Deputy AD, Director, Associate Director and an Asst Director. 4 in all. When I was at WSU we had 2. And we don't have more athletes. Plus, shouldn't Compliance be easier since there aren't any rules to follow anymore?
Video/Marketing, etc. I count 8 staff, gotta hunt around, they are in 3 departments, Not counting the 3 that are in the FB staff totals. Or the 5 people in the Media area.
Staff Directory - Washington State University Athletics
The official Roster for the Washington State University Cougars
wsucougars.com
Bloat, bloat, bloat.
Oh and footnote for you semi-literates. It's Anne McCoy, not Ann.
Don't forget the 3 employees for "employee experience."Expanding on this. I looked at WSU's FY24 EADA Report (link below). It says we had 10 FT FB coaches and 4 PT (Grad assistants). Now we have 17 FB coaches and 4 Grad Assts.
FY24 EADA Report (PDF) - Washington State University Athletics
FY24 EADA Report (PDF)wsucougars.com
In Compliance - we have a Deputy AD, Director, Associate Director and an Asst Director. 4 in all. When I was at WSU we had 2. And we don't have more athletes. Plus, shouldn't Compliance be easier since there aren't any rules to follow anymore?
Video/Marketing, etc. I count 8 staff, gotta hunt around, they are in 3 departments, Not counting the 3 that are in the FB staff totals. Or the 5 people in the Media area.
Staff Directory - Washington State University Athletics
The official Roster for the Washington State University Cougarswsucougars.com
Bloat, bloat, bloat.
Oh and footnote for you semi-literates. It's Anne McCoy, not Ann.
I’ll stick with FonzieExpanding on this. I looked at WSU's FY24 EADA Report (link below). It says we had 10 FT FB coaches and 4 PT (Grad assistants). Now we have 17 FB coaches and 4 Grad Assts.
FY24 EADA Report (PDF) - Washington State University Athletics
FY24 EADA Report (PDF)wsucougars.com
In Compliance - we have a Deputy AD, Director, Associate Director and an Asst Director. 4 in all. When I was at WSU we had 2. And we don't have more athletes. Plus, shouldn't Compliance be easier since there aren't any rules to follow anymore?
Video/Marketing, etc. I count 8 staff, gotta hunt around, they are in 3 departments, Not counting the 3 that are in the FB staff totals. Or the 5 people in the Media area.
Staff Directory - Washington State University Athletics
The official Roster for the Washington State University Cougarswsucougars.com
Bloat, bloat, bloat.
Oh and footnote for you semi-literates. It's Anne McCoy, not Ann.
Article in the Spokesman this morning. Chappy is furious
WSU athletics is absolutely tone deaf. Never again buying their bullshit about “student-athletes”. It’s all about perpetuating a bloated budget with lord knows how many executive assistant senior associate made up title vice presidents
Show some leadership, Fonzie. Right size your department. This woman is a bizarro cross of Bill Moos drunken spending and Jim Sterk penny pinching - except she can’t differentiate on why athletics exists in the first place - for the athletes.
Disgusting performance.
That doesn’t make this wholesale gutting of the program easier to swallow. Chaplin, a long-time donor as well as the builder of the program, insisted he’s taking the Rono statue project he’s ramrodded off campus.
“I don’t want my name attached to the university in any way,” he said. “I’m embarrassed to be a graduate of WSU.”
WSU athletics is absolutely tone deaf. Never again buying their bullshit about “student-athletes”. It’s all about perpetuating a bloated budget with lord knows how many executive assistant senior associate made up title vice presidents
Show some leadership, Fonzie. Right size your department. This woman is a bizarro cross of Bill Moos drunken spending and Jim Sterk penny pinching - except she can’t differentiate on why athletics exists in the first place - for the athletes.
Disgusting performance.
That doesn’t make this wholesale gutting of the program easier to swallow. Chaplin, a long-time donor as well as the builder of the program, insisted he’s taking the Rono statue project he’s ramrodded off campus.
“I don’t want my name attached to the university in any way,” he said. “I’m embarrassed to be a graduate of WSU.”
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Could there have been a lazier hire than McCoy? When we needed a careful and meticulous job search, in light of the dire circumstances we face, they hired Marcia Saneholtz II. A 20+ year minion in and part of an office that has been chronically mismanaged and is woefully inefficient. In what universe does that remotely qualify you for probably the toughest job in collegiate athletics going? And they wonder why WSU is hemorrhaging enrollment. Kids know that the school is in a death spiral. AnnE McCoy as AD is just further evidence.
I was very happy when one of the new president's first acts was to eliminate the Pullman chancellor position. That was a stupid idea.
Unfortunately, she hasn't cut anything since, she's just continuing to talk about "a new model" without really saying what that means.
Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the athletic department staff could be cut and nobody would even notice.
Bbbbuu….
Those People Have Families!
They might have to move! Mid school year? Think of the children! They can’t all get Amazon jobs and expect to survive, ya know.
No, an Internationally Acclaimed Major University can use a little bit of its vast Windfall reserves to keep a couple hundred families off the streets until a soluution is worked out.
Wait -
Edit - forget the above - I need to research better before I pop off!
Read the link. I didn't know she was doing weekly newsletters. Lots of stuff in these, I like a lot of it. Our VP or Strategy is retiring, and Cantwell is closing that office. Good timing. Oh another thing on the main page - WSU's tribal land acknowledgement (link below). Very nicely done, except the link it provides for "data" takes you to a site called landgrabu.org. This site is not exactly flattering to WSU or any University. No need to have that there.
Land Acknowledgement
Land Acknowledgement Acknowledgement of America’s First Peoples Washington State University acknowledges that its locations statewide are on the homelands of Native peoples, who have lived in this region from time immemorial. There are 37 federally recognized Tribes that historically shared...
wsu.edu
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Office of the Chancellor for WSU Pullman is being dissolved effective June 1Wait - I had not seen that. Prove it. And a glance at our Leadership roster, verbiage still refers to it although our 'Global" Chancellor is currently serving as both. Still, if this is true fix the main G-D WSU website already.
Oh another thing on the main page - WSU's tribal land acknowledgement (link below). Very nicely done, except the link it provides for "data" takes you to a site called landgrabu.org. This site is not exactly flattering to WSU or any University. No need to have that there.
Land Acknowledgement
Land Acknowledgement Acknowledgement of America’s First Peoples Washington State University acknowledges that its locations statewide are on the homelands of Native peoples, who have lived in this region from time immemorial. There are 37 federally recognized Tribes that historically shared...wsu.edu
Cillay stays on at Global - although I'm not sure why a virtual campus needs a chancellor at all.
You beat me to my edit above.
But your link is better. I need to keep up. Good article. Not sure I understand swapping Student affairs to the Provost and taking the Office of Research, but I'll cut her slack given the other changes, including eliminating the VP of Strategy position (vacating) and that "office". Like that she's moving (moved?) into the Prez Res. As far as Chancellors go, I agree. Also, an Everett Chancellor?
You beat me to my edit above.
As far as Chancellors go, I agree. Also, an Everett Chancellor?
They’re getting rich off kids taking loans they have no business taking at 18 years old. It is a crime against younger generations.
big, if true.Oh another thing on the main page - WSU's tribal land acknowledgement (link below). Very nicely done, except the link it provides for "data" takes you to a site called landgrabu.org. This site is not exactly flattering to WSU or any University. No need to have that there.
Land Acknowledgement
Land Acknowledgement Acknowledgement of America’s First Peoples Washington State University acknowledges that its locations statewide are on the homelands of Native peoples, who have lived in this region from time immemorial. There are 37 federally recognized Tribes that historically shared...wsu.edu
Shouldn’t DNR be paying the tribes the revenue rather than a college?
When do we give it back?
Chaplin's pissed. Rightfully so, it's a slap in the face. The university/AD just tossed a program aside instead of trying to make it work.
If you haven't seen his quotes in The Spokesman, here are two of 'em:
- “I feel like going over to the alumni center and chopping that tile with my name on it out of the floor”
- “I don’t want my name attached to the university in any way...I’m embarrassed to be a graduate of WSU.”
If you haven't seen his quotes in The Spokesman, here are two of 'em:
- “I feel like going over to the alumni center and chopping that tile with my name on it out of the floor”
- “I don’t want my name attached to the university in any way...I’m embarrassed to be a graduate of WSU.”
“Mediocre people don’t like high achievers and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.”
~ Nick Saban
And now you know why WSU doesn’t have 7 figure donors. Look at how the man that wrote checks for his own program has been treated. Thanks for fcking nothing WSU.
Don't forget the part about Anne McCoy refusing interview requests after releasing the statement. Boy, real accountability and transparency.
I wish we had a journalist, well-placed alumni, anyone who would demand some transparency from Athletics. Frankly, what I have now read tells me that our new President is showing transparency and decisiveness. How much do the T&F cuts save? What administrative cuts have you or will you make? What do all your Senior Associate AD's make and what do they all do? (Looking at you Ike). What's with all the additional coach and staff positions in FB?
Oh but no. But be sure to donate to the CAF and NIL. Trust us to make sure those dollars are well spent. Having Chaplin make a statement like that is pretty F-ing serious. Waiting for Walden to chime in.
One more question:
"When the heck is Loyal Coug gonna get his personalized brick?"
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