I'm glad some fans care to the level that they do, but good grief. We just lost a road game to a team that was favored over us, and one that has been neck and neck with us in our last 4 head to head matchups.McDonnell....holy cow...
People need time...
I hope to get to 6-6.
That's largely due to the fact that we've gone from playing Idaho, a terrible Wisconsin team, a horrible Colorado State team, and a bad Cal team, to at USC and at Oregon State minus our top receiver, top running back, and a still dismal offensive line.I don't see any improvement, that's the main issue for me.
46%The OL is the problem with the offense. Not Morris and certainly not Cameron Ward. It’s pretty simple.
Okay... so what?The OL is the problem with the offense. Not Morris and certainly not Cameron Ward. It’s pretty simple.
Okay... so what?
Coaches knew last year what they had coming into this year.
It's 100% their fault for not signing more O-linemen. Again, we should've been able to grab 3 or 4 proven Offensive Line Transfers. We didn't.
I don't want to be a hater to TE's, but we'd be A LOT better right now with more O-linemen and no TE's right?
We sure as hell should've had 1 more running back too.
*This post isn't me bitching at you, but more of general "disbelief" as WSU should know by now how important the Oline really is.*
Hell that is six minutes longer than the "quality" time you give your girlfriends.Stfu ed. You should have been fired after 7 f’ing minutes.
Hell that is six minutes longer than the "quality" time you give your girlfriends.
Which One?Your daughter likes it. She just left and your wife is next.
There was improvement. Then we took two steps back. There’s plenty of content now for Morris to sufficiently game plan. This continues then it’s clear we are getting out coached. Coaches have bad games likr players do. OSU was a stinker, flush it and move on. Nobody’s getting fired mid season but we will know by the end of the year if Morris has the chops for this or not.I don't see any improvement, that's the main issue for me.
Biggie, I have no doubt that if WSU were to have a wheat farming combine conglomerate with John Deere advertising... we could buy an Oline at $50,000 a year.JV coaches that havent had so much as a cup of coffee make dumb decisions ….
The prob with adding the TE to the air raid offense is the $. As in, they cannot fund every position on offense enough to ensure the position group has enough bodies to make it go. I do not believe for a second that the new scholarships invested in the TEs came from the qbs rbs wrs. They robbed the OL. Well guess what? Bad OL. Hell, if you aren’t actually going to throw the ball to the TE, why wouldn’t ANY guy on the roster that looks like a TE be available? Why would you invest $ to create a position when you have guys that fit the mold already? He doesnt have to be able to catch cause he isnt gonna get the ball with any regularity. The defense isnt gonna just let him run free so he will trade 1 for 1…. Backup DEs??? 6’3”-6’6” 240ish???? Get in there! You’re a TE.
Do you think Dick is the kind of guy that would look over the Big Sky and Mtn West All Conference lists and slide into the dms of the all league OL???? I dont see it happening. I think they are reactive to the portal, not proactive. So the idea that they can get “proven” OL??? I dont see that happening. And what is “proven?” Just because you start at a FCS or G5 school doesnt mean you are taking the Pac 12 by storm. Ward is proof of that.
WSU is in a f’ing bind with the portal. But that’s a diff thread.
Biggie, I have no doubt that if WSU were to have a wheat farming combine conglomerate with John Deere advertising... we could buy an Oline at $50,000 a year.
That $50,000 spent gives a 1-spot up on the bowl chart.
I know I'm exaggerating a little, but WSU is unique and it wouldn't take much to make our school the Oline attractant.
And yeah... 1st team All Big Sky is better than a lot of what we have.
Do you think just one could put up with me?You have more wives? Good news.
Mik… leading the league with 27 picks and probably 8 that went back for touchdowns was not good coaching by Erickson .RB JENKINS WAS GETTING AT LEAST 7 YARDS PER EACH OF 8 CARRIES, AND ONLY GOT 8 CARRIES, WHEN SHOULD HAVE HAD AT LEAST 14,15,16,17,18,19+ CARRIES.
IF JENKINS HAD GOTTEN MORE CARRIES, WSU WOULD HAVE WON THE GAME, SCORED MORE THEN ONLY 10 POINTS.
Jenkins would have CONTINUED to get 7+ yards a carry, and that would have MOVED THE CHAINS, GOTTEN MORE FIRST DOWNS, SUSTAINED MORE LONG DRIVES, SCORED MORE POINTS.
And it would have taken heat off Cam, and opened up the Passing game, and play action pass.
And Cam on the 1,2,3 times he did run, scramble for 4,5,6,7 yards per each of those 1,2,3 times, was effective those times, drives.
Cam should have run it 3,4,5,6,7 more times. If he had, it would have been effective, it would have taken heat off Cam, made first downs, moved chains, sustained drives, scored points, opened up passing game.
Also Eric Morris was also stupidly going with the stupid 4,5 WR, no backs in the backfield, empty set, formation, that wasn't, isn't effective, especially with the current WSU OL.
The LACK OF NOT DOING THAT, NOT DOING THOSE THINGS IS ON ERIC MORRIS, NOT ON OL, NOT ON CAM WARD, NOT ON RECRUITING TE'S, NOT ON TE'S, NOT ON DEFENSE, NOT ON WATSON, RENARD BELL, OTHER INJURIES BEING OUT. NOT ON ORE ST, ETC.
THE ONLY THING IT WAS ON, WAS ON THE ABSOLUTELY EXTREMELY BAD, SHITTY PLAYCALLING, COACHING OR LACK OF COACHING BY ERIC MORRIS
THE ONLY SCORING 10 POINTS, NOT WINNING, IS, WAS 100% ON ERIC MORRIS, AND NOT ON ANYTHING, ANYONE ELSE, AND NOT ON ORE ST, ETC.
Now if Eric Morris had continued to feed JENKINS, like he should have, and if he had had Cam running more, etc, and then if that had not been effective, and then had stopped doing those things because of ineffectiveness, then and only then, that would have not been on Eric Morris, and would have been on ORE ST, Watson and Bell injuries, Bad OL, etc.
The absolutely, extremely shitty PLAYCALLING, coach by Eric Morris, is, was to blame for the 10 points all game, loss, etc, and is the reason Eric Morris SHOULD BE FIRED AT THE END OF THE SEASON TO MID NEXT SEASON FOR BEING PAUL WULF BAD.
While Price, Dennis Erickson, went through a bad stretch of games ED, others, Price, Erickson's PLAYCALLING, COACHING, wasn't as bad as Eric Morris, Paul Wulf, and they were scoring points, and we're trying, looking ok, good, even in losing, and you could see light, hope, etc, at the end of the tunnel, etc.
And that was back then, when winning, money, big boy football wasn't as important, had more patience back then, etc.
Today, now is BIG BOY FOOTBALL. There is more money being spent on coaches, more money at stake. There is NIL, Transfer Portal. There is WSU consistently getting 7+ wins + bowl game every season.
And because of all that, everything, there is a HIGHER STANDARD, HIGHER EXPECTATIONS, LESS PATIENCE, ZERO TOLERANCE FOR PAUL WULF, ERIC MORRIS LEVEL COACHES.
It's not that their doing bad. WSU, fans, can live with the occasional bad. But PAUL WULF, ERIC MORRIS LEVEL COACHES, are beyond bad, they are EXTREMELY SHITTY, AND EXTREMELY, ULTIMATELY BAD SHITTY ESS by PAUL WULF, ERIC MORRIS LEVEL COACHES, IS NOT, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANY LONGER AT WSU.
And Price, Erickson werent SHITTY ED. And if they were, it was a different time, when that wasn't tolerated.
And you can't tolerate it now, and you can't go by WHAT IF THEY TURN IT AROUND, just like Price, Erickson, turned it around, and you can't go by you would have fired Price, Erickson, because of WHAT IF YOU DONT FIRE THEM, BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO FIRE A PRICE, ERICKSON, AND WHAT IF THEY THEN CONTINUE TO BE SHITTY, BAD, FOR YEARS, ETC?
WSU can't afford to play the you would have fired Price, Erickson game, because for every Price, Erickson you get, you get 1 PAUL WULF, and WSU CANT AFFORD TO GET A PAUL WULF.
Instead you fire a possible Paul Wulf level coach after 2,3,4 years, if HC, and after 1, 1.5, 2 years if a OC, DC, Assistant HC, and 1 year at most, if a position coach.
GONE are the days when you give 4,5,6,7,8 years to a Paul Wulf coach, and 2,3,4,5 years to a OC, DC, and 1,2,3 to a position coach.
Remember Leach set the standard by firing the DC, after about 6 to 18 months, and firing the, a special teams coach after 1 extremely bad special teams game.
There just isn't tolerance for SHITTY coaching. Bad coaching is 1 thing, but SHITTY coaching is a whole another higher level of bad that just won't be tolerated anymore.
Mik… leading the league with 27 picks and probably 8 that went back for touchdowns was not good coaching by Erickson .
let’s take a peak… Rosie first round draft pick , James hasty all pro, utley syarter for detroit, Michael Pringle RB I believe led country in rushing after he transferred to cal Fullerton. He played another first round pick in the slot yet he was a running back . He had one of the most dominating olines in wsu history .
He did a horrible job going 3-7-1 in 87.
Why are you talking about 3 ,4,5 years . The comments are made about seven months . And Breske got two and a half seasons not 6 to 18MORRIS, PAUL WULF ARE WORSE.
And like I said you don't, can't afford to give a Paul Wulf, Eric Morris 4,5,6 years(HC, Wulf), and a OC, etc, 2,3,4,5 years(Morris), because if you fire them after 2,3 years(HC), and after 1, 1.5 years(OC,etc), you are or might be firing a Price, Erickson.
Leach set the new standard by firing the DC after 6 to 18 months, and firing the Special Teams Coordinator after 1 EXTREMELY BAD SHITTY GAME.
Maybe you ED would give WULF 4,5,6,7 years because they supposedly might supposedly be a Price, Erickson, and Maybe you would give a Morris, an or Special teams 2,3,4 years, because they might be, become a Price, etc.
But Leach, Dickert, Chun, WSU fans, the rest of us, won't tolerate SHIT.
You're out of control with these takes Mik.MORRIS, PAUL WULF ARE WORSE.
And like I said you don't, can't afford to give a Paul Wulf, Eric Morris 4,5,6 years(HC, Wulf), and a OC, etc, 2,3,4,5 years(Morris), because if you fire them after 2,3 years(HC), and after 1, 1.5 years(OC,etc), you are or might be firing a Price, Erickson.
Leach set the new standard by firing the DC after 6 to 18 months, and firing the Special Teams Coordinator after 1 EXTREMELY BAD SHITTY GAME.
Maybe you ED would give WULF 4,5,6,7 years because they supposedly might supposedly be a Price, Erickson, and Maybe you would give a Morris, an or Special teams 2,3,4 years, because they might be, become a Price, etc.
But Leach, Dickert, Chun, WSU fans, the rest of us, won't tolerate SHIT.
Why are you talking about 3 ,4,5 years . The comments are made about seven months . And Breske got two and a half seasons not 6 to 18
Months .
You're out of control with these takes Mik.
The only person who thought we were going to win 10 games this season was you. I'd love to hear Dickert's comments on the state of the program off the air and after a few beers.
COVID, Rolo, de Laura, etc., yet here you are, in the midst of a 4-3 on the season talking about firing the young offensive coordinator after 7 games.
Rosie was still in his college QB puberty in 87'. Remember, he was a little bit of a projectMik… leading the league with 27 picks and probably 8 that went back for touchdowns was not good coaching by Erickson .
let’s take a peak… Rosie first round draft pick , James hasty all pro, utley syarter for detroit, Michael Pringle RB I believe led country in rushing after he transferred to cal Fullerton. He played another first round pick in the slot yet he was a running back . He had one of the most dominating olines in wsu history .
He did a horrible job going 3-7-1 in 87.
How is that different than ward ?Rosie was still in his college QB puberty in 87'. Remember, he was a little bit of a project
Price and Erickson were shitty?Your reading comprehension FAILED ED.
And only about 1,2,3 on this board are talking about LITERALLY FIRING Morris after LITERALLY 1 game, after, 7 games into the season, where WSU Literally has a new OC for the Utah game, this season.
Most are after this game, after 7 games, advocating, demanding, wanting, etc, Morris to be fire AFTER, AT THE END OF THE SEASON, to Mid next season, IF he, Morris, doesn't get it turned around by then.
I said that your talking about not firing a PAUL WULF LEVEL HC until after 4,5,6, etc, seasons, and a PAUL WULF LEVEL OC LIKE MORRIS after 1.5,2,3,4 seasons.
Whether it's after 1 game, 7 games, 1 season, 1.5 season, 3 to 6 to 18 months, etc, your STUPIDLY talking about giving PAUL WULF LEVEL HC's and OC's, etc, as much time as Price, Erickson got(3,4,5,6+ years).
Your STUPIDLY arguing that if don't give PAUL WULF LEVEL HC'S AND OC'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AS PRICE,ETC(ABOUT 3,4,5,6+ years), that would fire a Price, and firing a Price, instead of firing a PAUL WULF LEVEL coach, HC, OC.
YOUR STUPIDLY ARGUING THAT IF FIRE MORRIS A PAUL WULF AFTER 1 SEASON, THAT WOULD FIRE PRICE.
It's absolutely ok, reasonable to decide that you have to fire a PAUL WULF LEVEL MORRIS AFTER 1 SEASON, AFTER 1.5 SEASON, AFTER 2 SEASONS, BY, ON, AFTER 7 GAMES.
AFTER THE LAST 7 GAMES ITS OBVIOUS THAT IF MORRIS DOESNT IMPROVE(AND ITS NOT LIKELY THAT HE WILL IMPROVE FROM HIS PAUL WULF LEVEL), THAT WILL HAVE TO FIRE MORRIS AT, AFTER THE END OF THE SEASON TO MID NEXT SEASON.
MOST OF ALMOST ALL OF US ARE NOT LITERALLY ASKING FOR MORRIS TO BE FIRED AFTER 7 GAMES, AND FOR A NEW OC TO BE COACHING THE UTAH GAME.
ONLY 1,2,3, ETC, ARE PUSHING FOR MORRIS TO BE FIRED LITERALLY THIS SECOND AND THUS BEING JUST AS STUPID AS YOUR YOUR FIRING PRICE IF FIRE COMMENT.
PLEASE WORK ON YOUR READING COMPREHENSION, AND PLEASE STOP YOUR STUPID ARGUMENT.
Price and Erickson were shitty?
Tell me more.
Ummm … mik Erickson had way more talent and he was 3-7-1No another FAILED, BAD READING COMPREHENSION.
I didn't say Price and Erickson were Shitty.
I said Morris is Shitty.
ED said that before they did good, that Price, Erickson was being just as Shitty as Morris, until they got good.
Price, Erickson were better then Morris.
ED was just making a STUPID ARGUMENT.
You're telling me that Ward having all of his experience and success last year is putting him now where Rosie was as a sophomore?How is that different than ward ?
Ummm … mik Erickson had way more talent and he was 3-7-1
You're telling me that Ward having all of his experience and success last year is putting him now where Rosie was as a sophomore?
Are you drunk?
Yeah...I guess I am. Ward ran the option in high school. He graduated in 2020, and we all know about covid. Then 2021 what I would consider his first year he lit up the level he was at. That is a far cry from even practicing against D1 talent. So yeah on the whole they started at the same spot and Ward hasn't throw 27 picks....and Rosie had more talent around him especially up front.You're telling me that Ward having all of his experience and success last year is putting him now where Rosie was as a sophomore?
Are you drunk?
Ummm...mik....you may not even been alive when he threw the 27 picks.YES HE IS THAT DENSE, STUPID, ARGUMENTIVE, STUCK IN A PAST HE MISREMEMBERS, MAKES BAD COMPARISONS, ALMOST ALL THE TIME, ETC, AND ALMOST NEVER EVER JUST STOPS.
Ummm...mik....you may not even been alive when he threw the 27 picks.
Dennis had a really bad 1987 with a pretty talented team. You talk about about averaging 8 yards a carry and morris stops....Brusier played slot. Yes that is correct, a future first round draft pick played in the slot.
Dennis then let a guy in Michael Pringle depart who was punched by Bob Garmen. Pringle either tied or broke Rueben Mayes single game rushing record.
Could you imagine Dickert playing Jenkins in the slot this year...that is what Dennis did.....playing a home run hitter in the slot instead of giving him the ball 20 times a game.
And you tell me one Olineman from 2022 that could start for the 87 team....you will be hard pressed.
My bad, he threw 11 Td's in 1987, and he had 24 picks...in one season.1. Brousard: Brousard was either a freshman or Soph. And he hadn't any awesome production to point to, before Erickson put him in Slot.
Botched talent evaluation, something that the even the best coaches like Leach, Price, Erickson, etc, have all done, IS NOT THE SAME AS, AS BAD AS Not giving the ball to a RB that is getting 8 yards EACH CARRY.
Now IF Brousard was getting 5,6,7,8,9 yards EVERY CARRY, and all of a sudden Erickson not only stops giving him carries, and not only only giving him 8,9 carries, not giving him 20+ carries, but then also puts him in the slot, and then doesn't throw him the ball, them all that combined together would be as bad as Morris. But that didn't happen, and Brousard was untried, unproven, misevaluated at that time, unlike with Morris with Jenkins.
Also Brousard might have shown WR talent to put him in Slot. Also the competition at RB might have been stiff. But as bad as Botched talent evaluation and putting him in Slot is, it's not as bad as IF Brousard was getting 8 yards on EACH OF 8 carries, and then not giving 15 to 23 carries and or then putting in the slot.
Not saying what Erickson did wasnt bad. It's just that Morris is WORSE because while it's bad to misevaluate talent it's WORSE TO KNOWINGLY NOT GIVE MORE CARRIES OR 15 TO 23 CARRIES AN OR PUT IN SLOT AFTER GETTING 8 YARDS EACH OF 8 CARRIES.
2. Rosie: While 27 Int's is bad, I doubt that's 27 Int's in 1,ONE season. It was probably 12,13,14,15 Int's in each season for 2 seasons for 27 Int's total in 2 seasons.
While 12,13,14,15 Int's in a season is bad, keep in mind Minshew had about 9,10,11 Int's in a season.
And if it was 27 Int's in a season, then while that is bad, it's Rosie that's throwing them, not Erickson. Also Rosie might have been better then the other options.
And again while that would be, is bad, that's not as bad as KNOWINGLY only giving 8 carries to a RB who is getting 8 yards per each of those 8 carries, and not giving them 15 to 23 carries, etc
3. The player leaving over a punch. Erickson can't literally force a player to stay. If the punch was comparable to the punch against Jason David, then the player would be justified in leaving. If not then not. But whether or not it's justified, Erickson can't force him to stay. I'm sure that Erickson talked to him, tried to persuade him to stay. That's all a coach can do. You can't or shouldn't blame Erickson or Any coach and say they were bad just because a player that got punched left the program.
And again that's not as bad as Morris KNOWINGLY not giving more then 8 carries, 15 to 23 carries, to a RB that getting 8 per each of 8 carries.
Also I don't think Erickson ever got lower then 14 points in a game. Erickson got at least 14 every game, and most games got at least 27 points, even if the offense was bad, had interceptions, fumbles, etc.
And on the very few times Erickson only got 10 to 14 to 17 points, it wasn't because of doing STUPID ASS things like not giving the RB who is getting 8 per each of 8 carries, no more carries, not giving 15 to 23 carries.
And while Erickson, Price were guilty of boneheaded bad PLAYCALLING times, it wasn't as consistently bad as MORRIS'S consistently bad PLAYCALLING, not giving carries to Jenkins.
Another way to look at it is this. Back when Reuben Mays, Brousard was getting 150 to 300 yards per game, and 10 to 15 yards per carry, imagine how bad it would have been if the HC had All of a sudden stopped giving carries to Reuben Mays, Brousard after only 10 carries, after 150 yards, after 15 yards per each of those 10:carries, and didn't give 27 carries to them, AND ONLY SCORED 10 points because of that and lost the game because of that.
Well that is what Morris did with Jenkins.
If you could put Morris into a time machine, make him the WSU OC back then, he would have done that to Reuben Mays, Brousard too.
He is LITERALLY that STUPID, BAD. And Erickson, Price are, were nowhere close to being as stupidly bad as Morris has been.
There just is no comparison Ed. It's not apples to apples. It's apples to potatoes.
Just stop your stupid argument.
My bad, he threw 11 Td's in 1987, and he had 24 picks...in one season.
Broussard was a redshirt soph in 87. In 1986 he had 53 attempts, for 283, or 5.3 a carry, but I do see your point.
Like me in 1987, you in 2022 do not have enough data to make this call. But your criteria you use for Morris has to be applied to Dennis in 1987. If you think there is a reason we should not use Dennis' first 7 games as a barometer as you are using for Morris, please do tell....