Oh… so seven games in 2022 is a greater measure than 7 games into 1987? Trying to understand that one .
Only thing Morris has to figure out is how to get milhalchik Dyko utkey and wulff on the field in 2022
The fire the OC after 7 weeks...that means you would have fired Dennis, Price,
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Only thing Morris has to figure out is how to get milhalchik Dyko utkey and wulff on the field in 2022
It isn't necessarily about the games. It’s about the volume of red flags in the games. You don’t collect red flags. You only need one. Adding a better OL could help. It also may not. He wouldn’t be the first coach to piss away talent.
You are correct … Dennis pissed away tons of talent his first year so I get you would fire him cause there were red flags as well. Your concern about Dennis like Morris is noted .
Hey. Dumbass. Morris isn't going on to win national titles. He’s more likely to be selling insurance. And your comparison isn’t apples to apples. 1987 you could get by. 2022? Nope. Too much $ at stake. Your comparison is crap at best.
Oh good grief....you don't know in 1987 dennis is going to win 2 national champs. You are simply looking at the body of work in seven games.
When you show me the benefit of making a move quicker than you change your tighty whiteys, and when you show me where that money comes from to change every seven games cause YOU don't think he will make it based on a limited sample, then possibly others may listen. Until then you sound like George Steinbrenner...or is it Jerry Jones.
First, he showed up at WSU having already been a winning Head Coach. What did Morris show up with? Not nearly the same resume. His time at TT? As etown is too scared to post again… he rode the coat tails of 2 guys now in the NFL…. Morris has a whole lot of not f’ing much compared to DE. So yeah, DE gets more time.
Second, the benefit of changing right now is that once you know he isn’t the guy, you move on. You cannot keep investing in bad coaches. Could Morris suddenly figure it out? Prob not. Could WSU lose the rest of their games? Yeah maybe. And if they do, then what? Think it’s bad now? Watch WSU lose the rest of the way and lemme know what that looks like. All loses, zero coaching staff accountability, bad look.
Morris better get his shit together fast.
You have no "idea" if he can figure it out after 7 games. Are you really suggesting to me Dennis' resume was iron clad?
Morris has been very creative in the red zone. And like I said the problem is on the oline. Something Dennis didn't have when he took over. Trust me when I tell you Dennis took over a team that should have been 6-5.
Feel free to point to me which player is Dyko, Utley, Wulff, Milhalchik. Let me know which RB is Steve Broussard and a first round pick in the draft. Do you get the offensive guru had a QB that threw 11 TD's and 24 picks. That would be the red flag you are talking about.
Iron clad? No. Much better than Morris? Yes.
Im not pointing to any of the OL dipshed. The OL coach? Awful. And it is possible to be a shitty OC with a good OL too. Creativity doesn’t matter in the red zone if you never get there.
Can you point me to the season where Erickson coached WSU (or Oregon State) to a national title?
In 1987...Erickson's first season, we got boat raced and lost by more than two touchdowns in five games. Stanford, ASU and USC beat us by a combined score of 124-21. In 1988, our Cougs lost....at home....to a 6-6 Oregon squad by 15 points. We got thumped by 17 points on the road to a 7-4 Arizona team. We lost to a 6-5 ASU squad at home. We squeaked by a 3-6-2 Stanford team. We were 4-3 in 1987 heading into a tough road game against a top conference contender...just like this year.
Erickson won national championships at Miami because he was handed a program that had gone 44-4 in the previous four seasons with a national championship and two finishes at #2. Erickson lost more games in his last two years in Miami than Jimmy Johnson did in his last four years. He had one nice season in Corvallis bracketed by three mediocre years. For all of your bluster and hate of Dickert.....our team's performance with him as coach has been as good, or better, than Erickson's performance at WSU to the same point. It's hilarious to see you bobbing on Erickson's nob while trashing Dickert.
I have no problem with fans critically reviewing our coaches' game to game, and given the inexperience with Dickert and Morris, it's natural to raise eyebrows when things go sideways. The problem I have is that some of you, for all of your X's and O's insights, are completely out of touch with the hiring/firing process.
Outside of unforeseen conduct issues, WSU is not going to fire a first-year offensive or defensive coordinator 7 games into the season. That will not happen. You can cite as much evidence as you want to support your opinion, but in doing so you're showing how completely out of touch you are with regard to the management side of the program. Occasionally you can justify making a mid-season change to a special teams or position specific coach, but not to the offensive coordinator who just landed who was considered by many to be the #1 rated portal QB in the Nation.
Morris and Dickert are going to be here until at least the end of the 2023 season, even if the wheels completely fall off; but it's way too early to predict that. We've lost 3 games to Oregon, at SC, and at OSU, 3 of the better teams in the P12 conference. We may likely lose a 4th game to Utah next Thursday. If we go on to win 3 of the next 4 games, which is something we're certainly capable of doing, the season will be viewed as a success by most of our fanbase.
If a program like WSU starts firing coaches in the midst of competitive seasons, all Hell will break loose. The locker room will become divided, the portal will fill up, and recruiting will take a major step back. Hell, we have a difficult enough time finding coaches and players to come to Pullman. Imagine the vibe if WSU adopts a win or else, cutthroat mentality. F-around and find out what happens.
Outside of unforeseen conduct issues, WSU is not going to fire a first-year offensive or defensive coordinator 7 games into the season. That will not happen. You can cite as much evidence as you want to support your opinion, but in doing so you're showing how completely out of touch you are with regard to the management side of the program. Occasionally you can justify making a mid-season change to a special teams or position specific coach, but not to the offensive coordinator who just landed who was considered by many to be the #1 rated portal QB in the Nation.
Morris and Dickert are going to be here until at least the end of the 2023 season, even if the wheels completely fall off; but it's way too early to predict that. We've lost 3 games to Oregon, at SC, and at OSU, 3 of the better teams in the P12 conference. We may likely lose a 4th game to Utah next Thursday. If we go on to win 3 of the next 4 games, which is something we're certainly capable of doing, the season will be viewed as a success by most of our fanbase.
If a program like WSU starts firing coaches in the midst of competitive seasons, all Hell will break loose. The locker room will become divided, the portal will fill up, and recruiting will take a major step back. Hell, we have a difficult enough time finding coaches and players to come to Pullman. Imagine the vibe if WSU adopts a win or else, cutthroat mentality. F-around and find out what happens.
Yep...but I have yet to see a OC shine as a play caller with a really bad oline.
I have a close friend whose father-inlaw coached with Dennis. People acknowledge Dennis was born under a lucky star. Meaning he knew when to leave, that loyalty wasn't important. Dennis was a .500 coach at wsu....with a 3-7-1 record his first year. He was 4-3 in 88 going into the number one team in the country and was down something like 21 nothing in the first half. Going into that UCLA game he lost to ASU and Arizona in back to back games.
Then he runs off four straight conference games in which the game against UW was decided on a blocked punt for a TD...at home....and this gut gets the number one job in the country? Why? Cause his dad knew Sam J.
So please don't act like Dennis was some God or was vastly superior than Morris cause we don't have enough data.
I'm willing to bet Morris isn't going to be hired by next year's national champions within the next 6 months.
A LOT. I'll bet a BUNCH.
I would bet a lot if if Sam wasn't the WSU AD prior to going to Miami and knew Pinky Dennis would never have been the Miami coach. . Like I said Dennis was born under a lucky star.
You know by Dennis' last year he was dead last in rushing in the country. Why do you think that is , and why do you think Butch Davis had to rebuild the running game....
Well sure I will if Morris has a relative at Georgia or Alabama that wants to give him a job. Dennis was an 500 coach… how many with that record take over a program that has won several nattys in the previous five years .
So we're going back to 1987, near 40 years ago, to make the justification that we should fire Morris after 7 games because he's not as good as Dennis Erickson?
Some fans are saying that Cam Ward has reached his ceiling already. Where's the list of WSU sophomore QBs who have looked better than Ward has after 7 games? Rosey? Bledsoe? Leaf? Gesser? Brink? Falk?
Some fans are saying that Cam Ward has reached his ceiling already. Where's the list of WSU sophomore QBs who have looked better than Ward has after 7 games? Rosey? Bledsoe? Leaf? Gesser? Brink? Falk?
My bad … I didn’t realize Dennis did that his first seven games in 1987 .
And while he beat the number one team he also lost to Oregon who was 3-5 in the pac 10.
I 100% understand the angle you're trying to come from with this, but let's hit the reset button with Dennis Erickson.
Unless we are now stating that Coach Walden (who I do respect) somehow had the MIRACLE team ready to handover... Erickson made the 1988 season happen on his own. That 1988 team was wicked. 9 & 3. We lost to Oregon, Arizona State, and Arizona. I had to go back and look because thought for a second that I was missing something because as I recall... we were loud with what we did.
Jim Walden left and there was no way Erickson should have been expected to win in 1987. Besides the doom of Apple Cups in Seattle on the odd years...
That year, we played at Michigan, at Fusc, at Colorado, at Arizona State, and at fuw.
Our offense was young which isn't the fault of Erickson. We had 18 and 19 uear olds battling men. The defense had 1 stud in Hasty, but no depth. And really... not to hate... they weren't guys strong enough or big enough to do anything against real teams.
So anything trying to put 1987- Erickson with where WSU is now reaks of dumb dumb.
We had a bowl game last year.
We have a respectable stadium.
We have a recent history of being feared offensively.
We have a defense that has done more better than more worse.
Where is this pointing towards 1987 Erickson?
Keep this going Ed and I'm getting drunk too.
If you read Ed's post, he was clearly referring to the 1988 team when he said beat the #1 team and lost to 3-5 Oregon. The bigger point that you and some others seem to be missing is that while we are all unhappy with the way that the team is playing, there are some who think that it's a sign that Dickert sucks and there those of us that think that Leach and Rolovich left Dickert with a deeply flawed team that's playing its ass off.
FWIW, that mighty 1988 team beat 6-5-1 Illinois, 2-7-2 Minnesota and 5-6 Tennessee. Not exactly a murderer's row of an OOC schedule. Wisconsin is an objectively mediocre team this year....but it's on par with our foes from 1988. And our three losses are to 5-1 Oregon, 6-1 USC and 5-2 OSU. The three teams that we lost to in 1988 had a combined record of 19-15. So it's possible that Dickert has faced a difficult schedule this year.
That 1988 team came together and had a great finish. I don't know if this team has that in them but everyone seems to forget that Oregon State was the perfect trap game for us. Stuck in between USC and Utah....it's easy to see why our team got arrogant and thought that the Beavers were going to be the easy game and overlooked them. It happens......all.....the.......time. Now, you'll throw out some bullsh!t about how it's the coaching staff's job to keep that from happening....but it happens....all....the....time.
I'm not happy with the OSU game, but we are exactly where we all hoped to be at this point in the season in terms of overall record. Even if we lose to Utah....it's exactly where everyone had expected. Finish strong and grow as time goes on.
Or sit back and imagine how great that 1988 team was compared to this team.....whatever.
Maybe that's what you're reading, but I'm 100% measuring this closer to where Bill Doba had us.
Erickson took over when we were pretty weak.
Doba took over when we were pretty awesome.
Dickert took over closer to us being pretty good.
Help me out here... how long has it been since WSU had a 3 win season?
Oh wait... how about someone taking over after 6 straight bowl seasons?
Oh yeah... the answer must be Dennis Erickson in 1987.
Bwah...bwah...bwahhhhhhhh
Closer to Bill? Here are the records of WSU in the two years before Doba took over:
2001: 10-2 (ranked #10 in the AP Final Poll)
2002: 10-3 (ranked #10 in the AP Final Poll)
Bill was handed a loaded team that finished 10-3 in his first season and ranked #9. We were ranked for one week in 2006 at #25 but lost three straight to miss a bowl.
In contrast, here is happened in the two years and half season before Dickert took over.
2019: 6-7 (ass whipped in Cheez-It Bowl)
2020: 1-3
2021: 4-3
Not sure what kind of sh!t that you are smoking, but the two situations are not similar in any fashion. Doba was handed a program that was primed for long term success and we pissed away games in 2004 because of a QB controversy. In 2005, our defense couldn't stop anybody at the end of games and every opposing QB looked like Peyton Manning in crunch time. That was the year where we all should have realized that his assistants were letting him down and he was too kind to deal with it.
Everyone knew that with Brian Greene leaving us through the portal and the graduations of Abe Lucas and Liam Ryan.....our offensive line was going to be a point of concern this year and they have been. Dickert was not handed a championship contending team and it's borderline stupid to suggest that he was. Sorry to be crass, but only a fool believes that Leach didn't let us down at the end. 2018 was great but he left Rolovich and Dickert with a deeply flawed team with serious recruiting failures in his last couple seasons.
Dickert took over mid-season and turned what could have been a 2-10 year into a solid season, but the state of the program was mixed at best. COVID, Rolo, starting QB transferring out, recruiting holes, particularly on the offensive line.
I'm not totally disagreeing with you. He inherited a team that was pretty good on the field, but he also took over a program that had many gaps. We lost JDL, Borghi, McIntosh, Calvin Jackson Jr, and Travell Harris and a starting NFL Tackle. That's a massive amount of production on one side of the ball.
If we can keep our heads above water this season, finish 7-5, and avoid a transfer portal jail break, we have an opportunity to take a step forward in 2023.
And from last year we are missing 3/5’s of our line plus beresford . So four out of our top six oline man our missing .
Our rb, and two starting inside receivers . Plus our qb.
You brought up 87 and how tough the schedule was . Really.
First two minutes of the game against Oregon Rosie turned it over on his own 8.
Against ASU we were down 10-0 early second quarter and Rosie drove the Cougs to asu 10, first down and goal he throws a pick 6 making it 17-0.
Rosie threw 24 picks , 11 td’s. Please tell me in real time seven games into 1987 that rang “great coach” .
And that 87 team had more talent than this 2022 team has .
I don't consider Dyko, Utley, Mihalchik, Wulff, Rosie, Swinton, Stallworth. I clearly see your point.
College football has turnover. Kids are going to come and go every year. The idea that it will always be vets just isn’t happening. The notion that an OC has to always have the best players in order to score points?? to not have dumb mistakes??? to not call bad plays??? to have a scheme that fits personnel???
EM is learning on WSU’s dime and WSU player’s eligibility. I think that’s horse shit. Go learn somewhere else and then come to WSU.
You and others like ED are missing the point, that it's not about Dickert, and about Morris, and NOT about LITERALLY firing Morris A SECOND from now, and having a new OC for the Utah game.
Almost all of us are happy with what Dickert has done with the defense, and going 4-3.
Most of us recognize that it's MORRIS'S FAULT and not Dickert, and that Dickert made a bad hire.
Most to almost all of us have rightfully reached the determination after 7 games, that if Morris doesn't turn things around SOON, that Morris would, will, should, etc, be fired AT THE END OF THE SEASON, at the earliest, and middle of next season after this season, at average, and at, after next season after this season, at the latest, if he Morris doesn't turn it around.
That's DIFFERENT then literally firing Morris today, tomorrow after 7 games
But 7 games is enough of a sample size based on what we have seen to determine that we don't think Morris will turn it around, and that if Morris doesn't turn it around that he should be fired AT END OF SEASON to MIDDLE OF NEXT SEASON TO END OF NEXT SEASON.
You and Ed and others are MISREPRESENTING me and and others saying that we are supposedly saying that Morris should be fired today, have a new OC for the Utah game, DESPITE after me, others EXPLAINING, CLARIFYING TO YOU, OTHERS LOTS OF TIMES.
Just stop misrepresenting us, and either post a response, or message the 1 person who really does want a new OC for the UTAH game.
Also yours and others pointing to the LEGIT EXCUSES does not apply because Legit Excuses do not apply to Morris STUPIDLY NOT GIVING ANY MORE CARRIES 15 TO 23 CARRIES TO A A RB JENKINS WHO WAS GETTING 8 YARDS PER EACH OF 8 CARRIES.
THAT IS JUST AS STUPID AS IF WALDEN HAD STUPIDLY HAD STOPPED GIVING REUBEN MAYS ANY MORE CARRIES AFTER REUBEN MAYS GETTING 13 YARDS PER EACH OF 10 CARRIES AFTER 150 YARDS INSTEAD OF LETTING HIM HAVE MORE CARRIES AND THUS LET HIM GET THE 350 YARDS HE MAYS GOT VS OREGON.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT KIND OF STUPIDITY BY MORRIS.
And equally stupid to coach a guy who threw 11 tds abs 24 picks and plays his best rb in the slot . That was Erickson’s fault so he looked equally out of place as Morris … .
You can't point to Dennis' success because you would have to evaluate his performance in real time in 1987, and Morris certainly doesn't look any worse than Dennis did in 1987 through 7 games.
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Just as Dennis learned on our dime. Not seeing your point. We are 4-3 and maybe soon to be 4-4.
Stupid is as stupid does… I know you want to use a direct comparison and throw in your personnel feelings and things that changes it .
Your dumbass comparison is 35 years apart. Do ya think maybe it isnt accurate to make such a comparison going on 40 years in difference?? What could possibly have changed over that time??? If your cougediot, nothing. F’ing amazing.
So… you agree Dennis did a bad job of coaching . Your only argument is we have to nip this in the bud because ? Oh more to lose like attendance and money ? Conference standing ?
Wsu had huge problems in 87 as they do now . Conference revenue . How much money do you think wsu brought to table in 87 and how much now ? We are Oregon and Washington leaving to moving to a lower conference . And how Morris coaches has no baring …
But feel free to let your objection to Morris tell me how dangerous he is to the program
I disagree with your comparison in its entirety. Continuing to try and explain why to you is ridiculous because you are too dim to understand anything.
No... Dickert took over when we had a winning record. 4 & 3.
I will not accept anyone cutting on Rolo's record to get the axe. He was doing just fine.
Nor will I accept hating on him for not wanting the shot.
Now arguing about his recruiting and design plan is a whole different one to argue. I might not agree with those who hate us because they ain't us... but at least there is real room to debate.
You're mentioning freshmen/sophomores. Back in the 80's... they were still waiting on public hair compared to the 4 year steroid majors.
You really think we have that much less on the team now than 1987?
Ed, I'm giving you some credit more on this now than before. 1987 wasn't any different on offensive success. Both kinda sucked.
I'm just not feeling this as a 1987 first year Erickson.
I think you're looking at 1 to 2 year measurement vs. where things were really at prior to the coaches and staff coming in.
I hope I'm wrong, but the offensive jive I'm getting makes 6 wins this year and/or next year a stretch. 7 to the max.
