The REAL conversation we should be having

[Coug95man2]

about Minshew...

He was going to Alabama so he could sit the bench, learn the system and become a coach... Go through their grad system, etc.

I believe he's going to get drafted. But what about AFTER his NFL career. I want his swagger on our team, forever. Could he come back and coach WSU!? Obviously it will depend on how successful his NFL career is, how he develops as man and what connections he keeps, but man... his confidence, his swagger... We need that stuff on this team. And he's infused that into the programs veins. Hope our system keeps tabs on that boy and recognizes he wants to become a coach. Our future could potentially be written, this year.

On a slight tangent... Our future QB's better start recognizing what Minshew has done and is doing. I think we have QB talent all the way around but that confidence... boy that confidence... that takes time to build. Hope our QB's are seeing this.

 

[dgibbons]

about Minshew...

He was going to Alabama so he could sit the bench, learn the system and become a coach... Go through their grad system, etc.

I believe he's going to get drafted. But what about AFTER his NFL career. I want his swagger on our team, forever. Could he come back and coach WSU!? Obviously it will depend on how successful his NFL career is, how he develops as man and what connections he keeps, but man... his confidence, his swagger... We need that stuff on this team. And he's infused that into the programs veins. Hope our system keeps tabs on that boy and recognizes he wants to become a coach. Our future could potentially be written, this year.

On a slight tangent... Our future QB's better start recognizing what Minshew has done and is doing. I think we have QB talent all the way around but that confidence... boy that confidence... that takes time to build. Hope our QB's are seeing this.

I've been assuming from the beginning that Leach offered him a GA position when his playing days were done. Leach would be crazy not to. And I know the man isn't crazy.

 

[702coug]

I just want to beat Cal.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Entire QB position group should be growing mustaches.

 

[Coug90]

about Minshew...

He was going to Alabama so he could sit the bench, learn the system and become a coach... Go through their grad system, etc.

I believe he's going to get drafted. But what about AFTER his NFL career. I want his swagger on our team, forever. Could he come back and coach WSU!? Obviously it will depend on how successful his NFL career is, how he develops as man and what connections he keeps, but man... his confidence, his swagger... We need that stuff on this team. And he's infused that into the programs veins. Hope our system keeps tabs on that boy and recognizes he wants to become a coach. Our future could potentially be written, this year.

On a slight tangent... Our future QB's better start recognizing what Minshew has done and is doing. I think we have QB talent all the way around but that confidence... boy that confidence... that takes time to build. Hope our QB's are seeing this.

He absolutely gets drafted I think right now he’s a 3rd rounder at worst, and probably should be at least a 2nd rounder. Nathan Peterman is still starting in the NFL...

Who knows on the coaching career. If he plays 10 years in the nfl maybe he goes straight to nfl QB coaching like a kubiak. If he flakes out quickly in the nfl probably has his pick of options in college.

 

[M-I-Coug]

about Minshew...

He was going to Alabama so he could sit the bench, learn the system and become a coach... Go through their grad system, etc.

I believe he's going to get drafted. But what about AFTER his NFL career. I want his swagger on our team, forever. Could he come back and coach WSU!? Obviously it will depend on how successful his NFL career is, how he develops as man and what connections he keeps, but man... his confidence, his swagger... We need that stuff on this team. And he's infused that into the programs veins. Hope our system keeps tabs on that boy and recognizes he wants to become a coach. Our future could potentially be written, this year.

On a slight tangent... Our future QB's better start recognizing what Minshew has done and is doing. I think we have QB talent all the way around but that confidence... boy that confidence... that takes time to build. Hope our QB's are seeing this.

Yes, he absoulety will have a huge open door to come back after his NFL career is over. I honestly think he'll be on staff, someday. Look at Gesser.

Speaking of Gesser.....this sounds crazy but I can't help think of the following:

1. JG missed (almost 9/18/18) the entire season. Our magical season, with the possibility of playing in Pasadena on 1/1/19. He won't be found or around anywhere.

2. JG won't be around Pullman or the team for any part of the ride.

3. JG may never show himself in Pullman for at least 20 years. Look at Ryan Leaf as an example. And great for Leaf. He's found a good niche for himself to earn money and have a good career. We like him as an analyst on P12N, right?! Leaf has been redeemed. It's possible for JG to redeem himself, someday, but it may be 20 years.

4. We're not all saints. We've all made irresponsible decisions. The problem with JG is he was on staff and a public celebrity, representing WSU Athletics.

Bottom line, despite his actions, I feel sorry for him. He can't be apart of COUG nation, (well he can....if he wants to), but he'll probably disappear from the Palouse for a long time, and he's missed this year and the future magical years to come. Feel sorry for him.

If he were to just came out and say he's sorry, "forgive me and I made poor decisions", then we can forgive, right? Problem is....not sure that will happen...for a while.

Your thoughts?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Yes, he absoulety will have a huge open door to come back after his NFL career is over. I honestly think he'll be on staff, someday. Look at Gesser.

Speaking of Gesser.....this sounds crazy but I can't help think of the following:

1. JG missed (almost 9/18/18) the entire season. Our magical season, with the possibility of playing in Pasadena on 1/1/19. He won't be found or around anywhere.

2. JG won't be around Pullman or the team for any part of the ride.

3. JG may never show himself in Pullman for at least 20 years. Look at Ryan Leaf as an example. And great for Leaf. He's found a good niche for himself to earn money and have a good career. We like him as an analyst on P12N, right?! Leaf has been redeemed. It's possible for JG to redeem himself, someday, but it may be 20 years.

4. We're not all saints. We've all made irresponsible decisions. The problem with JG is he was on staff and a public celebrity, representing WSU Athletics.

Bottom line, despite his actions, I feel sorry for him. He can't be apart of COUG nation, (well he can....if he wants to), but he'll probably disappear from the Palouse for a long time, and he's missed this year and the future magical years to come. Feel sorry for him.

If he were to just came out and say he's sorry, "forgive me and I made poor decisions", then we can forgive, right? Problem is....not sure that will happen...for a while.

Your thoughts?

On Minshew, I'd absolutely would love to have him on staff as a GA if that were to happen. I agree with those that say that he has the potential to get drafted but he strikes me as a guy who falls to later in the draft because of his measurables. He couldn't even leap over a 5'11" cornerback for gawd's sake! (j/k) 3rd round might be possible but he's got some bad habits and flaws that may affect his draft stock. He's gotten better about it but he still gets kind of flat footed in the pocket at times and his first throw of the game against Stanford was off his back foot. That pass down the right sidelines reminded me of the punts that Gesser threw in 2002 after he injured his wrist. He's a great QB because he's a gambler who's willing to throw an underhand pass as he's falling down but it's the same kind of thing that can lead to a turnover. Still, he looks like a great college QB for us and we are lucky to have him. His team first attitude, swagger balanced by humility and understanding of the game would make him a potentially great assistant coach. That said, Wulff has made me think that I never want an alum wearing a headset on the sidelines ever again.

On Gesser, I hope he doesn't have to wait 20 years to get past his mistakes. I hope he reconciles with the woman who came forward about his attempts to hook up with her while he was married where he clearly crossed the line. Do that, and find some way to be a good person for the next couple years, and then work his way back into a real job somewhere. Nobody said that he force-ably raped a woman and he's guilty of being a drunken jerk more than a criminal. I don't see him getting a position of influence at WSU for a long time though. If he wants to really get back into good graces, he should hunt down every woman that he ever treated inappropriately, and apologize to every one that he can find......and appear to mean it. Being willing to stand in front of the world, admit that you were wrong and accept that nobody owes you anything is the fastest way to redemption. Ask Leaf. I feel sorry for Jason because he's being held responsible for the sins of hundreds of other guys that did worse things than he's been accused of.....but he didn't have to get drunk and try to bang his former babysitter. For that, he's got to do some time in public humiliation jail.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Meh. Being a leader and great QB like Gawdner does not necessarily translate into being a good coach. Recruiter maybe. Fundraiser and ambassador, maybe. Good coach? Maybe, but not a given. There is no indication that Gropesser was a good coach, especially since he got out of it. How about Rosie?

I say let the season take it's course, let his career take it's course. 5-10 years from now, let's have the discussion.....

 

[Cougatron]

Minshew will get drafted he will then be a GA under Leach when his time is finished like Harell did.

Gesser will return after some PR recovery stuff like volunteering to help women / getting counseling. Issuing apologies etc.

 

[etowncoug]

Minshew has the "it" factor which might keep him as a QB in the NFL for a looooooooong time. I don't think NFL scouts will drool over his tools, but he reminds me of Russell Wilson's intangibles. I wouldn't bet against him.

 

[etowncoug]

I'm not opposed to having the idea of Leach coached players return as coaches. Gabe Marks, Jeremiah Allison, Jamaal Morrow, Peyton Pelluer, Gardner Minshew etc all would make good coaches if they decided to make a career of it. Leach is the anti-good-ole-boy. This generation of Cougs understand consistently winning is a condition of employment. We haven't always had the fanbase/coaches understand that.

 

[dgibbons]

Meh. Being a leader and great QB like Gawdner does not necessarily translate into being a good coach. Recruiter maybe. Fundraiser and ambassador, maybe. Good coach? Maybe, but not a given. There is no indication that Gropesser was a good coach, especially since he got out of it. How about Rosie?

I say let the season take it's course, let his career take it's course. 5-10 years from now, let's have the discussion.....

Being a GA at a FBS school is an entry level job. The typical progression is GA, position coach, coordinator, head coach and moving among schools to move up the ladder. Based on how he can read defenses and handle progressions, I think the guy has a future in coaching.

Not sure why you're bringing Gesser or Rosenbach into this.

 

[dgibbons]

Minshew will get drafted he will then be a GA under Leach when his time is finished like Harell did.

Gesser will return after some PR recovery stuff like volunteering to help women / getting counseling. Issuing apologies etc.

I heard about 15th hand that Gesser was working for his uncle in the midwest (Michigan I think), some kind of sales job.

 

[SaveFerris]

On Gesser, I hope he doesn't have to wait 20 years to get past his mistakes. I hope he reconciles with the woman who came forward about his attempts to hook up with her while he was married where he clearly crossed the line. Do that, and find some way to be a good person for the next couple years, and then work his way back into a real job somewhere. Nobody said that he force-ably raped a woman and he's guilty of being a drunken jerk more than a criminal. I don't see him getting a position of influence at WSU for a long time though. If he wants to really get back into good graces, he should hunt down every woman that he ever treated inappropriately, and apologize to every one that he can find......and appear to mean it. Being willing to stand in front of the world, admit that you were wrong and accept that nobody owes you anything is the fastest way to redemption. Ask Leaf. I feel sorry for Jason because he's being held responsible for the sins of hundreds of other guys that did worse things than he's been accused of.....but he didn't have to get drunk and try to bang his former babysitter. For that, he's got to do some time in public humiliation jail.

If the allegations on Gesser are proven true he's dead to WSU. As bad as Leaf's transgression they were mostly self inflicted that didn't extend to victimizing others. In truth, Gesser has a lot bigger things to worry about than his position in Coug Nation.

 

[Cougatron]

I heard about 15th hand that Gesser was working for his uncle in the midwest (Michigan I think), some kind of sales job.

Good I am glad he is supporting himself doing something. He will be back eventually. He is a cougar legend who forgot he’s not the campus stud QB who can have any woman he wants anymore. We get it Gess. You like tail. Be responsible control yourself dude. Make amends get counseling do some volunteer work and you are back.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

If the allegations on Gesser are proven true he's dead to WSU. As bad as Leaf's transgression they were mostly self inflicted that didn't extend to victimizing others. In truth, Gesser has a lot bigger things to worry about than his position in Coug Nation.

Just out of curiosity, with Gesser leaving his position at WSU, is there anybody even looking at him from a legal standpoint anymore?

 

[CougEd]

On Minshew, I'd absolutely would love to have him on staff as a GA if that were to happen. I agree with those that say that he has the potential to get drafted but he strikes me as a guy who falls to later in the draft because of his measurables. He couldn't even leap over a 5'11" cornerback for gawd's sake! (j/k) 3rd round might be possible but he's got some bad habits and flaws that may affect his draft stock. He's gotten better about it but he still gets kind of flat footed in the pocket at times and his first throw of the game against Stanford was off his back foot. That pass down the right sidelines reminded me of the punts that Gesser threw in 2002 after he injured his wrist. He's a great QB because he's a gambler who's willing to throw an underhand pass as he's falling down but it's the same kind of thing that can lead to a turnover. Still, he looks like a great college QB for us and we are lucky to have him. His team first attitude, swagger balanced by humility and understanding of the game would make him a potentially great assistant coach. That said, Wulff has made me think that I never want an alum wearing a headset on the sidelines ever again.

On Gesser, I hope he doesn't have to wait 20 years to get past his mistakes. I hope he reconciles with the woman who came forward about his attempts to hook up with her while he was married where he clearly crossed the line. Do that, and find some way to be a good person for the next couple years, and then work his way back into a real job somewhere. Nobody said that he force-ably raped a woman and he's guilty of being a drunken jerk more than a criminal. I don't see him getting a position of influence at WSU for a long time though. If he wants to really get back into good graces, he should hunt down every woman that he ever treated inappropriately, and apologize to every one that he can find......and appear to mean it. Being willing to stand in front of the world, admit that you were wrong and accept that nobody owes you anything is the fastest way to redemption. Ask Leaf. I feel sorry for Jason because he's being held responsible for the sins of hundreds of other guys that did worse things than he's been accused of.....but he didn't have to get drunk and try to bang his former babysitter. For that, he's got to do some time in public humiliation jail.

What is Jason's skill set?

 

[CougEd]

Minshew has the "it" factor which might keep him as a QB in the NFL for a looooooooong time. I don't think NFL scouts will drool over his tools, but he reminds me of Russell Wilson's intangibles. I wouldn't bet against him.

This season so far he has been Tom Brady. I would be shocked if he is drafted higher than where Luke went.

Remember how some thought Herc would go between round 3-5? Wasn't even on their radar at that point.

Cody....he didn't even get a sniff. There is a long list, the NFL either doesn't trust they are ready for their game, or that they are all system players. Whatever the reason they tend to get downgraded.

 

[Coug95man2]

Being a GA at a FBS school is an entry level job. The typical progression is GA, position coach, coordinator, head coach and moving among schools to move up the ladder. Based on how he can read defenses and handle progressions, I think the guy has a future in coaching.

Not sure why you're bringing Gesser or Rosenbach into this.

Yeah, please... Gesser needs to fade away. He isn't going back to Pullman any time soon. In any fashion. Nor should he.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

What is Jason's skill set?

Grabbin' ass and takin' names?

 

[Flatlandcoug]

This season so far he has been Tom Brady. I would be shocked if he is drafted higher than where Luke went.

Remember how some thought Herc would go between round 3-5? Wasn't even on their radar at that point.

Cody....he didn't even get a sniff. There is a long list, the NFL either doesn't trust they are ready for their game, or that they are all system players. Whatever the reason they tend to get downgraded.

Cody didn't get a sniff because he was too damned slow. He was dominant when directly engaging a guy. Not so much when the guy wasn't right up next to him. If Cody was NFL worthy, we would have been able to run behind him when we needed a yard or two. We didn't. That's all you need to know about him. He was a good college OG for us, but it was no surprise to me that he wasn't drafted.

 

[rity]

This season so far he has been Tom Brady. I would be shocked if he is drafted higher than where Luke went.

Remember how some thought Herc would go between round 3-5? Wasn't even on their radar at that point.

Cody....he didn't even get a sniff. There is a long list, the NFL either doesn't trust they are ready for their game, or that they are all system players. Whatever the reason they tend to get downgraded.

2017 was not good for Luke's NFL stock.

Hercules was small for a D lineman. If he stayed another year and got some reps as a linebacker, that might've worked in his favor.

Cody in 2016 was great, but it seemed like teams realized what he can/can't do, and made his 2017 campaign not as great. To be honest, I think he regressed last year. Also, it didn't seem like he wanted to play at the next level.

Gardner, on the other hand, has been playing lights out. He makes great reads and throws and allows his WRs to get yards after completions. This might be aided by being amongst the best WR corp that Mike has had at WSU, but he has other qualities that will allow him to excel in the NFL like his ability to motivate his team and pocket awareness. Being 5'11", though, might hurt his stock a little. Hopefully, his hand measurables are good.

 

[SaveFerris]

Just out of curiosity, with Gesser leaving his position at WSU, is there anybody even looking at him from a legal standpoint anymore?

I have no way of knowing. Didn't Gesser originally say the babysitter was a miscommunication and she would be the end of it? Then the masseuse enters.

Wouldn't Gesser be trying to clear his name legally?

 

[Loyal Coug]

I have no way of knowing. Didn't Gesser originally say the babysitter was a miscommunication and she would be the end of it? Then the masseuse enters.

Wouldn't Gesser be trying to clear his name legally?

Clear what? He was not arrested or convicted of anything. He was not (technically) fired, he resigned, and I'm sure there was some kind of modest deal made there. So there is nothing to clear.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Being a GA at a FBS school is an entry level job. The typical progression is GA, position coach, coordinator, head coach and moving among schools to move up the ladder. Based on how he can read defenses and handle progressions, I think the guy has a future in coaching.

Not sure why you're bringing Gesser or Rosenbach into this.

Because the gist of the conversation is that because Gawdner is performing great and is a leader (like Gropesser was) he would be a good coach. Perfectly relevant comparison. Rosie, well maybe not so much , but he was a successful QB who went into coaching. So that's why.

 

[SaveFerris]

Clear what? He was not arrested or convicted of anything. He was not (technically) fired, he resigned, and I'm sure there was some kind of modest deal made there. So there is nothing to clear.

Clear what? Obviously clear the allegations that cost him his job and I'm sure caused his family a lot of pain. Would you just move along if there was zero credence to the allegations?

 

[Loyal Coug]

Good I am glad he is supporting himself doing something. He will be back eventually. He is a cougar legend who forgot he’s not the campus stud QB who can have any woman he wants anymore. We get it Gess. You like tail. Be responsible control yourself dude. Make amends get counseling do some volunteer work and you are back.

He will never be back at WSU in any capacity except maybe to attend a 20 year RB reunion. People do leave and never come back. Unlike some posters on this site!!!!

 

[CougEd]

Just out of curiosity, with Gesser leaving his position at WSU, is there anybody even looking at him from a legal standpoint anymore?

It doesn't sound like anyone wanted to press charges. A Save said I think he has some other things he has to take care of, like what is happening within his family.

There was a police officer in Pullman who on Monday was put on admin leave for having sex with a student while on duty.

Think what Gesser threw away,(not including the damage to his family). He had a lifetime position at WSU. Whatever he wanted, he was guaranteed a job. He didn't even have to be good at it. Unbelievable.

 

[wazzubruce]

As for Cody not being in the NFL.... did any of you see his shuttle run from the combines.... it's brutal.... all one needs to see is that to realize he would never be in the NFL. He cannot move laterally at all.

 

[Coug90]

This season so far he has been Tom Brady. I would be shocked if he is drafted higher than where Luke went.

Remember how some thought Herc would go between round 3-5? Wasn't even on their radar at that point.

Cody....he didn't even get a sniff. There is a long list, the NFL either doesn't trust they are ready for their game, or that they are all system players. Whatever the reason they tend to get downgraded.

Ed I will give you 10-1 odds Minshew is drafted higher than falk was. And if he’s not I’m gonna quit my day job and start working on my path to being an NFL GM.

 

[dgibbons]

I have no way of knowing. Didn't Gesser originally say the babysitter was a miscommunication and she would be the end of it? Then the masseuse enters.

Wouldn't Gesser be trying to clear his name legally?

By doing what? I supposed he could sue for defamation, if anything the women said to the media was false.

 

[dgibbons]

Because the gist of the conversation is that because Gawdner is performing great and is a leader (like Gropesser was) he would be a good coach. Perfectly relevant comparison. Rosie, well maybe not so much , but he was a successful QB who went into coaching. So that's why.

Even though you're calling the guy Gropesser?

Minshew has certainly shown he's deserving of a GA gig, you know since he had one set up at Alabama. Not sure what you're problem is with that.

 

[SaveFerris]

By doing what? I supposed he could sue for defamation, if anything the women said to the media was false.

That's what I would assume if what was said was false. He obviously lost a lot if there was no basis for the allegations.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

That's what I would assume if what was said was false. He obviously lost a lot if there was no basis for the allegations.

I think the fact that he's chosen to go hide in the weeds means that there's fire amongst all that smoke and discretion is the best choice for now. It would be a bold move to risk flaming the fire that's cooled off.

 

[Loyal Coug]

By doing what? I supposed he could sue for defamation, if anything the women said to the media was false.

That's what I would assume if what was said was false. He obviously lost a lot if there was no basis for the allegations.

Good luck with that case. How is he going to prove that what they said was false? If he had any evidence (like Michael Douglas in that movie with Demi Moore set in Seattle - Disclosure?) he would have pulled it out at the time. Hah! I made a funny!

Even though you're calling the guy Gropesser?
Minshew has certainly shown he's deserving of a GA gig, you know since he had one set up at Alabama. Not sure what you're problem is with that.

You are just trying to fight. As usual.

I think Gropesser is quite clever and accurate, and takes nothing away from the premise. He was a good QB and a leader, but apparently not a great coach or he would still be coaching and advancing.

as far as Gawdner's Alabama gig, where is it written that he had a (post 2018) GA job lined up with Alabama? Post the link please - otherwise you are just speculating. As usual. All I know is that he had a scholarship offer for 2018.

And what exactly do I "have a problem" with? You are putting words in my mouth. As usual. My "Meh" comment was to point out that a good player/leader may or may not become a good coach, and that maybe we should wait and see how THIS SEASON and Gawdner's pro career (we hope) pan out before we decide that he is going to come back to Pullman and be a GA. And in fact, if he (or any other NFL player) has any success at all ($) why would they want to go anywhere and be a GA? Position coach maybe.

 

[dgibbons]

Good luck with that case. How is he going to prove that what they said was false? If he had any evidence (like Michael Douglas in that movie with Demi Moore set in Seattle - Disclosure?) he would have pulled it out at the time. Hah! I made a funny!



You are just trying to fight. As usual.

I think Gropesser is quite clever and accurate, and takes nothing away from the premise. He was a good QB and a leader, but apparently not a great coach or he would still be coaching and advancing.

as far as Gawdner's Alabama gig, where is it written that he had a (post 2018) GA job lined up with Alabama? Post the link please - otherwise you are just speculating. As usual. All I know is that he had a scholarship offer for 2018.

And what exactly do I "have a problem" with? You are putting words in my mouth. As usual. My "Meh" comment was to point out that a good player/leader may or may not become a good coach, and that maybe we should wait and see how THIS SEASON and Gawdner's pro career (we hope) pan out before we decide that he is going to come back to Pullman and be a GA. And in fact, if he (or any other NFL player) has any success at all ($) why would they want to go anywhere and be a GA? Position coach maybe.

Have you seen Tropic Thunder?

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2018/06/gardner_minshew_passing_on_ala.html

 

[SaveFerris]

Good luck with that case. How is he going to prove that what they said was false? If he had any evidence (like Michael Douglas in that movie with Demi Moore set in Seattle - Disclosure?) he would have pulled it out at the time. Hah! I made a funny.

You asked what does he have to clear and basically it's his "good name" if nothing else. What exactly did either one of the accusers have to gain? The original accuser brought her side of it to light, was obviously found credible, and beyond some further comment hasn't done much more that I am of aware of. After initially challenging the allegation and basically saying there was no basis Geaser has gone quiet. Those initially in his corner publicly have also gone quiet.

You can make light of the situation and make your "funnies" but this was a serious situation that jokes or ridiculously inappropriate nicknames do not change.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

You asked what does he have to clear and basically it's his "good name" if nothing else. What exactly did either one of the accusers have to gain? The original accuser brought her side of it to light, was obviously found credible, and beyond some further comment hasn't done much more that I am of aware of. After initially challenging the allegation and basically saying there was no basis Geaser has gone quiet. Those initially in his corner publicly have also gone quiet.

You can make light of the situation and make your "funnies" but this was a serious situation that jokes or ridiculously inappropriate nicknames do not change.

Have to say that I've never been a fan of twisting someone's name for amusement. One time is funny. By the tenth time, it's time to grow up.

 

[Loyal Coug]

Have you seen Tropic Thunder?

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2018/06/gardner_minshew_passing_on_ala.html

Well that wasn't so hard was it? Thank you for the link, and I stand corrected. And yes I saw Tropic Thunder.

 

[Loyal Coug]

You asked what does he have to clear and basically it's his "good name" if nothing else. What exactly did either one of the accusers have to gain? The original accuser brought her side of it to light, was obviously found credible, and beyond some further comment hasn't done much more that I am of aware of. After initially challenging the allegation and basically saying there was no basis Geaser has gone quiet. Those initially in his corner publicly have also gone quiet.

You can make light of the situation and make your "funnies" but this was a serious situation that jokes or ridiculously inappropriate nicknames do not change.

Have to say that I've never been a fan of twisting someone's name for amusement. One time is funny. By the tenth time, it's time to grow up.

Sensitive today, aren't we? I did not bring his name or his situation into this thread.

Since you two are so sensitive, how about you jump all over certain other posters every time they twist other poster's names? Or gee, how about we talk about the Cal game?