Theo article breaks down 4 Grad Transfers

[SaveFerris]

Minlend, Gomez, Markusson, and Evan Cole (G-Tech). Evan Cole is somewhat of a new name. We are pretty active so I guess we should expect 2 or maybe even 3 players end up hitting the portal. Hope we do lose someone we don't want to lose.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/apr/04/four-potential-transfer-targets-for-washington-sta/

From the Goodman Grad Transfer article on Evan Cole:

36) Evan Cole, 6-10, 230, F, Grad, Georgia Tech
2019-20 stats: 4.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg
Scout’s take: “Tremendous cutter/slasher who loves to crash the offensive glass and get out in transition. Best with movement and playing downhill, has struggled finding his perimeter shooting consistency. Tough kid who is capable of guarding bigger guys and can surprise you guarding better athletes.”
Schools: BYU, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Boston College, Santa Clara, ETSU, Boise State, URI, Wichita State, Washington State

https://watchstadium.com/top-20-college-basketball-transfers-who-can-play-in-2020-21-03-24-2020/

 

[SaveFerris]

Matt Haarms (7'2" 4/5 Purdue) Grad Transfer. Loaded list of programs have contacted.

 

[Coug1990]

Minlend, Gomez, Markusson, and Evan Cole (G-Tech). Evan Cole is somewhat of a new name. We are pretty active so I guess we should expect 2 or maybe even 3 players end up hitting the portal. Hope we do lose someone we don't want to lose.

So, you want a player to leave that the coaches want to stay?

 

[SaveFerris]

So, you want a player to leave that the coaches want to stay?

Ha! Thanks. It was a typo. Should read "Hope we don't lose someone we don't want to lose."

Get Older!

 

[Coug1990]

Ha! Thanks. It was a typo. Should read "Hope we don't lose someone we don't want to lose."

Get Older!

I knew as much. But, I'm bored and I find humor where I can find it . Still kind of surprised that they are still recruiting, but the staff has more inside information than I do. It's hard to believe that I am already looking forward to next season after not caring for the last few years.

 

[mikalalas]

I suspect that somewhere between a lot to almost all of the grad transfer bigs like Markuson said no, and that that is part of the reason why WSU, Smith recruited Dishon Jackson.

Now that WSU has Jackson and Agobidi as Bigs, and Jefferson, and TJ as guards, that the only recruits WSU, Smith would be after is either a 5 ft 11.5 in to 6 ft 1.5 in PURE PG JUCO, TRANSFER/Grad Transfer, OR a 6 ft 7 in 3, stretch 2, stretch 4, Sean Elliot esque like, Malik Sealy esque like versatile, stretch, combo, interchangeable, JUCO, Transfer, Grad Transfer, etc.

And the only way WSU, Smith does that, is if CJ doesnt come back, combined with someone like Henson transfering.

If CJ doesnt leave early, and if Henson doesnt transfer, then I suspect that Smith will have a talk with either Chatfield, or Henson, or 1 of guards at the end of the bench, and say: "We have signed 4 recruits in Agobidi, Jackson, Jefferson, and TJ, and we only have 3 schollies, instead of 4, and are missing a scholly, and need a scholly to for all 4 of them. Because of that, we need you to either become a preferred Walk on and give up your scholly, or need you to transfer, give up your scholly"

Because of the above, its not likely that WSU recruits, gets anymore bigs.

 

[SaveFerris]

I knew as much. But, I'm bored and I find humor where I can find it . Still kind of surprised that they are still recruiting, but the staff has more inside information than I do. It's hard to believe that I am already looking forward to next season after not caring for the last few years.

I'm not too surprised we are still actively recruiting. Trying to get better. It's going to be an interesting month or two.

 

[jourdand]

There is no way Jackson was a plan b option for WSU. He is a superior recruit to all the grad transfers we were in on.

 

[SaveFerris]

There is no way Jackson was a plan b option for WSU. He is a superior recruit to all the grad transfers we were in on.

Jackson had to be a target. You look at even his highlights and you can see he's improved a lot over a couple year period. I don't know if he had all the reported offers any longer but he's the type of player we usually lose out to Cal, St. Mary's, or Nevada. Really speaks to Smith's ability to target the right players and sell them on the program.

 

[mikalalas]

There is no way Jackson was a plan b option for WSU. He is a superior recruit to all the grad transfers we were in on.

In a way that makes sense, but in a way it all doesnt make sense.

Why offer all the Grad Transfer Bigs, when Dishon Jackson loved his visit to WSU and was probably going to commit?

The only answer to that would be that the staff wants a 3rd Big in the recruiting class.

But that doesnt make sense.

With Agobidi, Jackson, dont need another big, and with 4 recruits(Agobidi, Jackson, Jefferson, TJ),in the recruiting class, with only 3 schollies, it doesnt make sense to go after another big, when either a True PG, would be needed more, or a 6 ft 7 in 3, stretch 2, Stretch 4 Hybrid type, needed more.

The only other possible explanation is the offers to the Grad Transfer Bigs were Plan B offers, in case Jackson didnt commit, but that doesnt make sense either, because Jackson had LOVED his visit to WSU, and was extremely likely to commit.

 

[mikalalas]

Also if WSU/Smith were to try to recruit another Big, most bigs would not want to compete against Agobidi, Jackson, and the only ones who would, would probably be 1 star, 2 star, low 3 star bigs, as most 3 star + bigs, would know they can go anywhere like a place with less bigs in the recruiting class and less bigs to compete with, so why would they goto WSU where already 2 bigs in recruiting class, etc.

And so only a 1,2 star big would be willing to compete against Agobidi, Jackson.

Also if WSU recruits, gets a 3rd Big, there is a chance that Jackson might decommit, go somewhere else

And why trade a 1 star like Chatfield, or a 3 star like Henson for a 3rd big in the recruiting class that is either a 1 star, NR, 2 star, 2.5 star, low 3 star?

So because of that WSU Smith is not likely recruiting another big man, and if still recruiting, would probably recruit either a True PG, or a 6 ft 7 in Hybrid, 3, stretch 2, stretch 4.

If WSU/Smith does recruit a 3rd big, it would probably be a preferred Walk on 3rd Big.

 

[jourdand]

Recruiting is largely a numbers game. You have to assume you aren’t going to get most of the guys you recruit, plus often times it comes down to first come first served. If one offer is excepted another is rescinded. Getting a recruit like Jackson whether he becomes what we hope or not is far better for the program than any grad transfer could ever be. Four years vs one, signing a player ranked that high opens doors for future recruiting. Jackson is a huge recruit for WSU for so many reasons. Possibly the most important recruit ever. I know Klay ended up being huge for the program but he arguably was the second recruit in his class behind Harthun plus WSU was already a tournament team when he signed.

 

[mikalalas]

The other thing about higher rated recruits like Klay, Harthun, Motum, that higher rated then Jackson:

1. Klay was not heavily recruited, Michigan was his only big offer, despite being a 4 star that rated higher then Jackson.

2. Same with Harthun. Also back then, I thought Harthun was OVERRATED. I thought he was a 3 star at best back then. Only reason I liked Harthun back then, was I thought that WSU getting a higher rated recruit like Hartthun, would open the door to recruits like Klay, and I thought that Bennet would be able to DEVELOP Harthun.

3. Motum, same as Klay, not very many or no big name colleges recruiting him.

Jackson on the other hand is probably not overrated like Harthun was, and unlike Harthun, Motum, Jackson was offered by blue blood Arizona, Cal, and Nevada, to go along with that high rating.

Also Jackson should be higher rated then Harthun, Motum were.

If had a choice between HS Motum, HS Harthun, HS Jackson, I'm taking Jackson over Harthun, Motum.

 

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[jourdand]

Motum wasn’t very highly regarded at all but developed into a great player at WSU. Many thought Ernie Kent not being able to keep Harthun in Oregon was the final straw for Kent at Oregon. As it turned out in hind sight you were right and Harthun was overrated. I think he might be one of the biggest misevaluations I have ever had. I really thought both him and Klay would excel at WSU.

 

[SaveFerris]

Gomez picks SDSU

 

[mikalalas]

Motum wasn’t very highly regarded at all but developed into a great player at WSU. Many thought Ernie Kent not being able to keep Harthun in Oregon was the final straw for Kent at Oregon. As it turned out in hind sight you were right and Harthun was overrated. I think he might be one of the biggest misevaluations I have ever had. I really thought both him and Klay would excel at WSU.

Motum wasnt offered by big name schools. To me, that means he wasnt highly regarded.

But according to 247, ESPN, Rivals, Brand X, Theo Lawson, etc, Motum coming out of highschool, was rated higher then Jackson was coming out of highschool.

I disagree with that. Jackson should be higher rated then Motum, coming out of highschool, and if I had a choice between Motum coming out of highschool, and Jackson coming out of highschool, I take Jackson over Motum

 

[mikalalas]

Motum wasn’t very highly regarded at all but developed into a great player at WSU. Many thought Ernie Kent not being able to keep Harthun in Oregon was the final straw for Kent at Oregon. As it turned out in hind sight you were right and Harthun was overrated. I think he might be one of the biggest misevaluations I have ever had. I really thought both him and Klay would excel at WSU.

Even tho I thought Harthun was slightly overrated, I thought he was the equivalent of a 3 star.

But Harthun didnt even measure up, pan out, at the 3 star level, and ended up being the equivalent of a 1.5 star, to 2 star, to 2.5 star.

So I was wrong about Harthun too in that he wasnt even the equivalent of a, the high 2.5 star, to low 3 star, that I thought he was, instead of the high end 3 star, low end 4 star, about 129th rated player that he was rated.

As to why I thought he was slightly overrated:

1. He didnt pass the eye test, didnt look the part, didnt look that athletic.

2. Related to 1 above, even tho he looked unathletic, he looked more like Witherall, Lodwick, etc, in that he looked like he had a high BBall IQ, was extremely competitive, loved to win, hated to lose, worked insanely hard, looked like a good shooter, passer, ball handler, scorer, etc.

I also thought that the only reason he looked good because he wasnt playing for, against teams like the Oakland Soldiers, and played for a good team, coach, against not bad competition, but not as good competition, that made him seem better then he was.
I was wrong about 2.5 star Anthony Brown, but Anthony Bown, looked more athletic, better in videos, etc, then Harthun did.

I did think Bennet would develop Harthun, Witheral, Anthony Brown, etc.

So because of that, even tho I thought Harthun was slightly overrated, I was happy that WSU got Harthun at the time, because I thought he would be developed into a Lodwick or better, and that getting such a highly rated player like Harthun would open the door for better recruits like Klay, etc.

Its easy to look back in hindsight, but back then, it wasnt easy to see how semi bad Harthun would be.

 

[jourdand]

Well actually Harthun was ranked so high probably because he did play on what was arguably the top AAU team on the west coast. Team Freddy Jones lost very few games that summer and would have destroyed the Oakland Soldiers, who are a good AAU team most years.
Team Freddy Jones that year had EJ Singler, Terrance Jones, Terrance Ross, Patrick Simmons and Harthun among others. Plus Harthun was a double figure scorer in the big sky at PSU. I would say again in hindsight he was probably lower three star recruit