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After the Cougs demolish the Huskies on Friday night, if Jake Dickert isn't crowned as Head Coach by Monday, who is your preference (preferably realistic)? No gnashing of teeth, COVID crap, or justification even required...

My vote is Billy Napier, Louisiana Ragin Cajuns.
 
After the Cougs demolish the Huskies on Friday night, if Jake Dickert isn't crowned as Head Coach by Monday, who is your preference (preferably realistic)? No gnashing of teeth, COVID crap, or justification even required...

My vote is Billy Napier, Louisiana Ragin Cajuns.
Thinking he's going to Florida.
 
Either Chun has someone waiting in the wings, or it is Dickert. Since there has been no indication of someone in the wings, it seems likely that it will be Dickert. I don't need another option.
 
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Lance Leipold.
PJ Fleck.
Matt Campbell.

None are at schools that will win a league title or have a route to the playoff.
 
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His buyout is $10M before 12/30/22. As much as I would like to see WSU pony up, I don't think they can go that far...

That’s because WSU sees it as a cost and not an investment.

There was a study done on Alabama and Saban. It estimated the financial impact of his success is $400,000,000. He was an investment worth every nickel of his salary.

You have to spend money to make money. If you go cheap, first it sucks, then it breaks. Then you replace it. Just get what you need to start with.
 
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That’s because WSU sees it as a cost and not an investment.

There was a study done on Alabama and Saban. It estimated the financial impact of his success is $400,000,000. He was an investment worth every nickel of his salary.

You have to spend money to make money. If you go cheap, first it sucks, then it breaks. Then you replace it. Just get what you need to start with.
We share similar sentiments. I'd like to poach a P5 coach and show WSU isn't messing around. That's my want for this upcoming hire (I don't expect it to happen, to be honest).
 
We share similar sentiments. I'd like to poach a P5 coach and show WSU isn't messing around. That's my want for this upcoming hire (I don't expect it to happen, to be honest).

It is interesting to me why some guys stay where they are at. Is it $$$? Is it family? Is it the people there?

Some schools have zero path to a league title. For whatever reason. There are just simply too many hurdles. If your aspirations where to get to a blue blood school from a very middle class school, you have to win division titles and league titles. Can you do that in the Big Ten, Big 12 or SEC?

I would wager WSU will see more opps to play for a division title than Minnesota, Iowa State or Kansas. If you have title goals why wouldn’t you take Chun’s call and listen to his pitch?
 
After the Cougs demolish the Huskies on Friday night, if Jake Dickert isn't crowned as Head Coach by Monday, who is your preference (preferably realistic)? No gnashing of teeth, COVID crap, or justification even required...

My vote is Billy Napier, Louisiana Ragin Cajuns.
I’d be shocked if they don’t go with Dickert if the Cougs win. If it’s close but Cougs lose it will get interesting.
 
It is interesting to me why some guys stay where they are at. Is it $$$? Is it family? Is it the people there?

Some schools have zero path to a league title. For whatever reason. There are just simply too many hurdles. If your aspirations where to get to a blue blood school from a very middle class school, you have to win division titles and league titles. Can you do that in the Big Ten, Big 12 or SEC?

I would wager WSU will see more opps to play for a division title than Minnesota, Iowa State or Kansas. If you have title goals why wouldn’t you take Chun’s call and listen to his pitch?
I don't disagree. Specifically for the coaches you listed though:

Fleck: believe he has family ties in that area and has really engrained himself.
Campbell: I think is waiting for OU/UT to leave and all of a sudden the B12 is much more open - wins, recruiting, etc.
Leipold: Dude can coach, but from everything I've seen/read he loves KU.
 
I don't disagree. Specifically for the coaches you listed though:

Fleck: believe he has family ties in that area and has really engrained himself.
Campbell: I think is waiting for OU/UT to leave and all of a sudden the B12 is much more open - wins, recruiting, etc.
Leipold: Dude can coach, but from everything I've seen/read he loves KU.

Ive always felt that Fleck and Campbell were waiting on Big Ten jobs. Specifically Ohio State or Michigan.

Leipold will eventually hit a wall at Kansas.
 
Either Chun has someone waiting in the wings, or it is Dickert. Since there has been no indication of someone in the wings, it seems likely that it will be Dickert. I don't need another option.
Then he should have been announced. No need to wait on the outcome of one game if he’s your guy. Just make the call so he can go recruit some D1 kids
 
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After the Cougs demolish the Huskies on Friday night, if Jake Dickert isn't crowned as Head Coach by Monday, who is your preference (preferably realistic)? No gnashing of teeth, COVID crap, or justification even required...

My vote is Billy Napier, Louisiana Ragin Cajuns.

Must, SHOULD be EITHER a SPLASH NAME hire, even a Leach, June Jones, Tedford, Retread, maybe Norvell, a splash name NFL OC, assistant head coach or Dickert, NOT another Rolo, P5 assistant, mountain west G5 type of coach.

Who the HECK is Billy Napier. Probably another no namer.
 
This is the problem. We should be tying the future of the program to one game. Especially not a game against a 4 win opponent.
Yes and no. There’s some element of timing and uncertainty with this that you have to navigate. If it’s announced then we go out and lay an egg Friday that’s not a good look either, and it’s not like he’s gonna be landing 4 stars left and right in that scenario. I think after this weekend if he’s gonna be the guy it’ll happen. Either we will be preparing for a bowl and recruiting or the PAC 12 championship game after we’ve won the north, and it’s a great story.
 
It's Dickert or June Jones. Inspired leadership from our AD and well worth the wait.
And either way, do we keep the two June transplant assistants, who both seem to have contributed? Do they sign up for full time D1 coaching again? Also relevant, do they have the energy to recruit? (gotta have have the staff being good recruiters in Pullman)?
 
And either way, do we keep the two June transplant assistants, who both seem to have contributed? Do they sign up for full time D1 coaching again? Also relevant, do they have the energy to recruit? (gotta have have the staff being good recruiters in Pullman)?
I'd ask one of them to stick around for a year and start training support staff in the R&S. I'd also put 5 assistants on offense and 4 on defense. We need to be staff trained as possible on the system and next year is the year to do it. After next year, whoever we keep can go back to retirement.
 
May it be Duncan McCloud the Highlander. Que the Queen music "Here we are born to be kings with the princes of the universe". Oops er May it be Dickert. Have Queen's Princes of the Universe be WSU's bad azz theme to song.

Sorry bout that, been watching too much Highlander lately.

Just my poor attempt at humor also.

Do think that would be the Ultimate WSU theme song. Even better then 1 college's Enter Sandman, Metallica theme song.

But WSU would have to play worthy of that theme song.

Would be embarrassing if WSU played that theme song and then if they laid an egg.
 
I'd ask one of them to stick around for a year and start training support staff in the R&S. I'd also put 5 assistants on offense and 4 on defense. We need to be staff trained as possible on the system and next year is the year to do it. After next year, whoever we keep can go back to retirement.
That’s a good idea… keeping one around for a year. It feels to my like both have done really well. But I’ve also presumed that they were out of coaching by choice (retirement?) but saw an opportunity to make some extra coin and help out some kids in a tough spot. That may not be the case.

In that spirit, if it is Dickert, I wonder if there is a retired head coach out there who could come on the staff (not as a coach), get a good payday for a couple of years, and mentor Dickert. Not necessarily a run and shoot guy, but someone who has a keen understanding of what it means to be a successful college head coach at a high level. Someone who gets things, like the challenges that Biggs has brought up. I really like Dickert and I’m pulling for him but Biggs’s points on experience are valid.
 
That’s a good idea… keeping one around for a year. It feels to my like both have done really well. But I’ve also presumed that they were out of coaching by choice (retirement?) but saw an opportunity to make some extra coin and help out some kids in a tough spot. That may not be the case.

In that spirit, if it is Dickert, I wonder if there is a retired head coach out there who could come on the staff (not as a coach), get a good payday for a couple of years, and mentor Dickert. Not necessarily a run and shoot guy, but someone who has a keen understanding of what it means to be a successful college head coach at a high level. Someone who gets things, like the challenges that Biggs has brought up. I really like Dickert and I’m pulling for him but Biggs’s points on experience are valid.

If you’re going to hire a mentor for your head coach why are you hiring him? He isnt qualified. If anything you should be hiring the mentor as the head coach.

I like Dickert. I think his day will come. I don’t think he is ready now. I don’t think he grasps the fit WSU needs. I would have no issues hiring him as a HC down the road once he has been a HC somewhere else and learned on their dime. As of today, no.
 
Recruiting is my concern w Dickert. NDSU and Wyoming roots aren't the greatest for hiring a bang up staff. I like the guy a lot and would hate to lose him as a DC, but at this point I think it is better to hire a head man w more connections and experience.
 
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For consideration:

Jay Norvell: ~$1.9M
Billy Napier: $750K
PJ Fleck: $10M
Matt Campbell: $4M
Kalen DeBoer: Not sure, but less than $4M

These are the contract buyout values for each candidate. I'd say it puts Fleck and Campbell out of reach. Buyouts probably put just about every sitting P5 coach out of reach.

That means we're looking G5 again. None of those alternatives come without big question marks...and little to no P5 experience.

In that context, Dickert appears like a better option. He certainly has risks, but so does having a complete turnover - again - while transitioning to a coach with a limited track record.

I lean toward offering Dickert at $2-2.5M, with the caveat that the money saved on his salary goes back into the pool to bring in a solid OC and recruiting coordinator.
 
For consideration:

Jay Norvell: ~$1.9M
Billy Napier: $750K
PJ Fleck: $10M
Matt Campbell: $4M
Kalen DeBoer: Not sure, but less than $4M

These are the contract buyout values for each candidate. I'd say it puts Fleck and Campbell out of reach. Buyouts probably put just about every sitting P5 coach out of reach.

That means we're looking G5 again. None of those alternatives come without big question marks...and little to no P5 experience.

In that context, Dickert appears like a better option. He certainly has risks, but so does having a complete turnover - again - while transitioning to a coach with a limited track record.

I lean toward offering Dickert at $2-2.5M, with the caveat that the money saved on his salary goes back into the pool to bring in a solid OC and recruiting coordinator.

If you find a coach you believe is the person that will take your program up a notch and make your school more $, you can only be concerned about a buyout for so much. WSU has not signed any contracts with these schools. The coaches have. They can pay their own buyout or they can continue to not play for division titles, league titles or national titles.

WSU has a lot more going for it than any of those schools you have mentioned.
 
If you find a coach you believe is the person that will take your program up a notch and make your school more $, you can only be concerned about a buyout for so much. WSU has not signed any contracts with these schools. The coaches have. They can pay their own buyout or they can continue to not play for division titles, league titles or national titles.

WSU has a lot more going for it than any of those schools you have mentioned.
I agree that Wazzu has a ton of potential for an up and coming coach, and agree with your philosophy in general. I've yet to see my alma mater go "all in" on football though and expect budget to be front and center.... That's why Billy Napier is high on my list (or someone like him). $$ are in a ballpark we can work with, he's got a great HC resume, and has worked under some of the best... His primary weakness is west coast ties, but that's something he could address w/ key hires. Under a normal year i think he probably needs P5 Head Coach experience to get noticed by one of the blue blood schools that can can outbid wazzu, but this year might be an exception...
 
I agree that Wazzu has a ton of potential for an up and coming coach, and agree with your philosophy in general. I've yet to see my alma mater go "all in" on football though and expect budget to be front and center.... That's why Billy Napier is high on my list (or someone like him). $$ are in a ballpark we can work with, he's got a great HC resume, and has worked under some of the best... His primary weakness is west coast ties, but that's something he could address w/ key hires. Under a normal year i think he probably needs P5 Head Coach experience to get noticed by one of the blue blood schools that can can outbid wazzu, but this year might be an exception...

They spent tens of millions to build a football ops building and stadium remodel. Now isnt the time to go cheap. I daresay any of us really know what WSU will and wont spend. Leach made what? $4,000,000? The market drives the price. Want a good coach? Be ready to spend. Wanna bad coach? Go cheap. Fuc$ man, haven't we all seen what going cheap does? It doesn't work. WSU has 100 years of being cheap. Where are they at?

I don’t think “ties” mean much any more. You certainly don’t want a high school coach running you down. But ultimately that coach isn’t the one making the decision and signing his name.

With Tucker, Fleck and Franklin all signing new deals, I think SC, FL and LSU are working down their lists. Napier is going to get a SEC job. There is no reason for him to leave for the West Coast.
 
Recruiting is my concern w Dickert. NDSU and Wyoming roots aren't the greatest for hiring a bang up staff. I like the guy a lot and would hate to lose him as a DC, but at this point I think it is better to hire a head man w more connections and experience.

The Bohl NDSU/Wyoming tree isn't a bad place to find good staff. They have an eye for talent and coach solid fundamentals. Plus Hazelton is another P5 coordinator from the tree. It's a lot more impressive than the Wulff tree at Eastern.
 
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They spent tens of millions to build a football ops building and stadium remodel. Now isnt the time to go cheap. I daresay any of us really know what WSU will and wont spend. Leach made what? $4,000,000? The market drives the price. Want a good coach? Be ready to spend. Wanna bad coach? Go cheap. Fuc$ man, haven't we all seen what going cheap does? It doesn't work. WSU has 100 years of being cheap. Where are they at?

I don’t think “ties” mean much any more. You certainly don’t want a high school coach running you down. But ultimately that coach isn’t the one making the decision and signing his name.

With Tucker, Fleck and Franklin all signing new deals, I think SC, FL and LSU are working down their lists. Napier is going to get a SEC job. There is no reason for him to leave for the West Coast.
The program was 25 million in the red last year with all coaches taking a pay cut. 6-7 million is going to be the starting point for a coach who is considered a hit commodity. Might as well suggest we pony up $200 million for Saban because it makes as much sense. Fiscal reality is coming home to roost.
 
The program was 25 million in the red last year with all coaches taking a pay cut. 6-7 million is going to be the starting point for a coach who is considered a hit commodity. Might as well suggest we pony up $200 million for Saban because it makes as much sense. Fiscal reality is coming home to roost.

Then it’s done. Those that spend will win. Those that don’t will lose. The best thing you can hope for is to be in a league of teams that won’t spend either. Which is most of the Pac 12. So that helps.

You have to spend money to make money. If WSU wants to turn a profit, something few schools do, they aren’t going to do it with a poor or average coach.
 
Sorry. I should have been more clear. I was referring to the offensive side of the ball. Defensively its a great tree. Im sure Cooper (who is a flat out stud) and Banker would stay on w Dickert. Both have done a great job.
 
Must, SHOULD be EITHER a SPLASH NAME hire, even a Leach, June Jones, Tedford, Retread, maybe Norvell, a splash name NFL OC, assistant head coach or Dickert, NOT another Rolo, P5 assistant, mountain west G5 type of coach.

Who the HECK is Billy Napier. Probably another no namer.
June Jones is 68 yrs old and never coached at a power 5.

Lost to Paul Wulff's least talented team in 2009 in Pullman.
 
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