Transfer: Kim Aiken (EWU)

[SaveFerris]

I guess we get an EWU transfer after all. Was headed to Arizona before the coaching change. Now headed to Pullman. He's listed as a wing but feels more like a replacement for Kunc/Miller at the 4 to me.

Also means someone is moving on.

 

[Coug1990]

I guess we get an EWU transfer after all. Was headed to Arizona before the coaching change. Now headed to Pullman. He's listed as a wing but feels more like a replacement for Kunc/Miller at the 4 to me.

Also means someone is moving on.

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I don't know much about him, but he was the Big Sky defensive player of the year. He should fit right in to what Coach Smith wants. EWU sure had some talent.

 

[SaveFerris]

I don't know much about him, but he was the Big Sky defensive player of the year. He should fit right in to what Coach Smith wants. EWU sure had some talent.

The depth the program is building is unheard of for us.

 

[Coug1990]

The depth the program is building is unheard of for us.

I agree. I am not sure if I can remember a time they have been this deep. I am not saying the team is overall as talented as other teams, but I think every player seems to be able to contribute or at least push the players in front of them to become better.

 

[mikalalas]

Likely Bamba by speaking out on Twitter likely sealed his fate.

What I mean is that Bamba, when he made his twiiter comment, was probably not happy with something. His comment was vague. It could be interpreted, mean many things. Even non WSU related things. But one of the possible interpretations, meanings, is that he was at minimum unhappy, and at maximum wanted out, and was looking to transfer.

WSU getting this player was to protect WSU, in case Bamba did transfer out.

But WSU getting this player does more then just protect WSU from Bamba transfering.

This is a player Arizona wanted. Meaning he is likely extremely good, better then Bamba. Like Rosario he is the Proto Hybrid 3, Stretch 4 at 6 ft 7 in

So now the depth chart at 3 will be 1. Transfer 2. Noah. 3. Rosario or Bamba. 4. Rosario or Bamba. 5. AJ. 6. Rapp.

If Bamba was thinking about Transfering before getting the Transfer, and even if he wasnt thinking about transfering, he is thinking about and will probably transfer now. And so by making his twitter statement, he sealed his fate.

Which I am fine with, as the Transfer is better then Bamba.

This was a awesome get. The transfer can back up Efe at the 4 spot, so WSU got a BIG like it needed. And because the Transfer wont start at the 4, it wont scare Efe or Dischon Jackson into transfering.

Now the only players who might transfer are:

1. Bamba(ok with, because Transfer is better then Bamba)

2. Rapp(ok with

3. Rosario(Hope doesnt transfer)

Assuming 1 or 2 of those 3 will transfer. And if they do, they are not CORE players, and losing them wont hurt, because without them, WSU is still upgrading, getting better, and the depth is still getting better.

This is a awesome get. And a awesome recruiting class, and WSU is going win 19 to 23 games in regular season, win 2,3 Pac 12 games, 10-8,11-7,12-6 in conference play, NIT Final 2/4/2nd Round/Sweet 16 NCAA

 

[SaveFerris]

I agree. I am not sure if I can remember a time they have been this deep. I am saying the team is overall as talented as other teams, but I think every player seems to be able to contribute or at least push the players in front of them to become better.

Someone is leaving but I was thinking about how things look from a position standpoint. While it's fluid and players can project to multiple positions we have at least 3 at every position:

PG: Flowers, Roberts, Rice (3)
2G: Noah, Rodman, Rapp, Koulibaly (4)
SF: Jakimovski, Bamba, Aiken, Rosario (4)
PF: Efe, Aiken, Jakimovski (3)
C: Jackson, Efe, Vova (3)

Positions are fluid, some like Noah or Rodman can play multiple positions and maybe some flip (Roberts/Koulibaly?) but a group that compliments each other pretty nicely. Of course, who knows what other changes are coming other than they are coming.

 

[mikalalas]

I agree. I am not sure if I can remember a time they have been this deep. I am saying the team is overall as talented as other teams, but I think every player seems to be able to contribute or at least push the players in front of them to become better.

The only teams with more talent, athleticism, speed, etc in the Pac 12, are USC, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon

Tied with WSU is Stanford, Colorado, UW(Yes UW, its youth, lack of coaching why they finished in bottom of conference), ASU

WSU has more talent, athleticism, speed then Ore St, Cal, Utah,

Basically WSU has less talent, athleticism, speed then about 1/3 the conference(but not by much less, and WSU has or is closing the gap)

Is tied with 1/3 the conference for same amount of Talent, Speed, Athleticism

Is ahead of 1/3 the conference in Talent, Speed, Athleticism

DEPTH:

Depth wise, WSU is only behind USC, Oregon, Arizona.

Is tied with: UCLA, Colorado

Is ahead of the other HALF the conference.

Coaching:

WSU's Smith and his staff is only behind Altman of Oregon, UCLA, USC, Tinkle of Ore St.

Is ahead of the other 8 teams in conference.

As long as the schedule is ok, and as long as not a lot of injuries, or injuries to KEY players, WSU should be able to win 19 to 23 games in Reg season, 2,3 Pac 12 tourny wins, 10-8,11-7, 12-6 in conference, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th in conference, NIT Final 2/4/8, 2nd Round/Sweet 16 of NCAA Tourny

 

[CougSinceBirth]

It'd be a bummer to lose Bamba. I really like his game and thought he came on late last season.

 

[mikalalas]

Someone is leaving but I was thinking about how things look from a position standpoint. While it's fluid and players can project to multiple positions we have at least 3 at every position:

PG: Flowers, Roberts, Rice (3)
2G: Noah, Rodman, Rapp, Koulibaly (4)
SF: Jakimovski, Bamba, Aiken, Rosario (4)
PF: Efe, Aiken, Jakimovski (3)
C: Jackson, Efe, Vova (3)

Positions are fluid, some like Noah or Rodman can play multiple positions and maybe some flip (Roberts/Koulibaly?) but a group that compliments each other pretty nicely. Of course, who knows what other changes are coming other than they are coming.

PG: Flowers/Roberts/Koulibaly/Rice/Rapp(5)

SG: Noah, Koulibaly, Bamba, Flowers(Rodman at 6ft 6 in is a 3, not a 2, Rapp is a PG/3)(4)

3/Wing/G/SF: Rodman, Aiken, Rosario or Bamba, AJ, Noah(can play 2 or 3), Rapp(7)(LOG JAM)

4: Efe, Aiken, AJ, Walk On(6 ft 9)(4)

5. Dischon, Vova, Efe, Walk On(6 ft 9)(4)

 

[mikalalas]

I guess we get an EWU transfer after all. Was headed to Arizona before the coaching change. Now headed to Pullman. He's listed as a wing but feels more like a replacement for Kunc/Miller at the 4 to me.

Also means someone is moving on.

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Hopefully its Rapp, Not: Bamba, Rosario, Rodman, Koulibaly, AJ, Vova, etc, that transfers, as they are either better then Rapp now, or have more potential upside, higher ceiling, will be better then Rapp in future.

 

[mikalalas]

Also I think that WSU can, will have a ROCK SOLID 9,10,11 man rotation, instead of the rock solid 7,8,9 man rotations in the past. And not have any or little drop off.

This means that WSU can use its depth against other teams to run them into ground.

Dont mean the run and gun, fast breaking type of running other team into ground.

I mean that WSU's starters will be fresh, give MAX effort, etc. Same with Bench. While opposing team starters, bench will likely be TIRED, not fresh, AKA, RAN INTO GROUND.

Combine that Depth, with strength and conditioning, and good coaching, and the above will often happen, translate into wins, etc.

 

[mikalalas]

I guess we get an EWU transfer after all. Was headed to Arizona before the coaching change. Now headed to Pullman. He's listed as a wing but feels more like a replacement for Kunc/Miller at the 4 to me.

Also means someone is moving on.

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Also thats 1 Hell of a awesome Plan B to Eason, Tanner, Matos, Champ

 

[jourdand]

EWU is the team I follow second after WSU. I really wish these players would have stayed put but if not I’m glad WSU is the landing pad. Aiken is a solid player and good guy so he should fit right in. Not sure if I would consider him an upgrade over Jaz but it should be at minimum a wash.

 

[mikalalas]

EWU is the team I follow second after WSU. I really wish these players would have stayed put but if not I’m glad WSU is the landing pad. Aiken is a solid player and good guy so he should fit right in. Not sure if I would consider him an upgrade over Jaz but it should be at minimum a wash.

Aiken DESTROYS JAZ.

There is a reason why Arizona wanted Aiken, and doesnt, didnt want Jaz.

I wont go into why.

But to find out why, read thread MORE AIKEN INFO thread I posted, and you will get your answer why Aiken DESTROYS Jaz.

Or you can google, research like I did and read about Aiken, his bio, and watch his EWU video of his play, etc, and that will tell you why Aiken DESTROYS Jaz.

 

[jourdand]

Or you could have watched him play 75 or 80 games in the last 3 years like I did. Or you could have meet him several times over the last 3 years like I have or maybe you could have worked camp with him like I did. Solid player nice pick up not a world beater and nothing wrong with that.

It also should be noted he was told by Lloyd there wasn’t a spot for him.

The two-time All-Big Sky forward hoped to stick with Arizona under Lloyd, but Aiken indicated the Wildcats wanted to go in a different direction after bringing in a high school center, Dylan Anderson, and Gonzaga transfer Oumar Ballo

 

[mikalalas]

Or you could have watched him play 75 or 80 games in the last 3 years like I did. Or you could have meet him several times over the last 3 years like I have or maybe you could have worked camp with him like I did. Solid player nice pick up not a world beater and nothing wrong with that.
It also should be noted he was told by Lloyd there wasn’t a spot for him.

Then despite your experience about him, you must not have good perception.

He might not be a world beater, but he is definitly better then DJ Rodman, and Kunc.

He is at least a semi sharpshooting 3 point shooter at the least.

Edit: Correction. I have been informed that his 3 point % is 30%

BUT in his EWU videos, they show a HELL OF A LOT OF MADE 3 POINT SHOTS BY AIKEN.

And his 3 point shot sure looks good, as far as form, mechanics, release, arch, swishing, making the shots he did make.

So guess the looks were deceiving on about his 3 point shooting.

Still think his 3 point shot will get awesome eventually, as he works tirelessly, relentlessly for hours, days, weeks, years on his shot.

Has a great Midrange Jump shot.

Can dribble drive slash, shifty, juke, beat defenders off dribble, create own shot, etc, for lay ups, dunks, tear drops, floaters, runners, pull up off drive midrange jump shot.

He has and can ABSOLUTLY POSTERIZE DUNK OVER A DEFENDER'S FACE, THAT IS TRYING TO BLOCK HIS DUNK, ALA SHAWN KEMP STYLE OVER SAM BOWE OF GOLDEN STATE IN PLAY OFFS FOR SONICS.

He can jump out of gym, and is FREAKISHLY ATHLETIC.

He has post moves, can play the 4 spot.

He plays extremely good defense against the 2,3,4 spots

He gets A LOT of Rebounds.

He gets 2 steals a game.

He gets 2 assist per game.

He is a great ball handler that doesnt turn over the ball often.

He has a lot of AND ONES foul, 3 point plays.

He shoots 80% from the line.

He scored 13.3 ppg his sophmore year for EWU, against some good competition, and in the NCAA Tourny.

He has score 28 points in a game to go with 10 rebounds.

He has scored about 800 to 850 to 900 career points at EWU, in only 2,3 years

He has LOTS of DOUBLE DOUBLES, and is a leader in DOUBLE DOUBLES in EWU history.

He is a 2 time defensive player of the year.

A player that is not as good as Kunc, DJ Rodman, and that is not BETTER then DJ Rodman, Kunc, does not do all that at EWU, and does not get Arizona wanting them.

Perhaps Arizona saw something you dont, didnt see.

You sir are BLIND to not see that He Aiken is better then Kunc, DJ Rodman.

I'll trust Arizona, and what they saw in Aiken, and what I have learned, seen in my research over you.

 

[mikalalas]

Or you could have watched him play 75 or 80 games in the last 3 years like I did. Or you could have meet him several times over the last 3 years like I have or maybe you could have worked camp with him like I did. Solid player nice pick up not a world beater and nothing wrong with that.

It also should be noted he was told by Lloyd there wasn’t a spot for him.

The two-time All-Big Sky forward hoped to stick with Arizona under Lloyd, but Aiken indicated the Wildcats wanted to go in a different direction after bringing in a high school center, Dylan Anderson, and Gonzaga transfer Oumar Ballo

The reason why Arizona wanted him, is because they saw a Sean Elliot version 2.0 in him, as his POTENTIAL UPSIDE, CEILING.

They did have room for him. They Arizona wanted him, and so he committed to Arizona.

Then Arizona got one of the best Centers in all of College basketball to join Arizona.

So of course there was no room for Aiken after that.

That doesnt mean Aiken isnt good.

But even if Aiken had been the 2nd best big in america(He is not), there still wouldnt have been room on Arizona's Roster for him, after Arizona got the 7-1 Ballo from Gonzaga, one of the best centers in USA.

But before Arizona got Ballo, they wanted Aiken badly, and thats because they saw something you didnt Jourdand.

And I trust that and what I have seen, learned about Aiken over what your saying.

 

[Observer11]

EWU is the team I follow second after WSU. I really wish these players would have stayed put but if not I’m glad WSU is the landing pad. Aiken is a solid player and good guy so he should fit right in. Not sure if I would consider him an upgrade over Jaz but it should be at minimum a wash.

The damage that woman president did to EWU is going to be felt for years. The athletic department is the most visible.

Not sure how Riley is going to compete/attract recruits with the specter of dropping from D-1 hanging over their head.

 

[mikalalas]

The damage that woman president did to EWU is going to be felt for years. The athletic department is the most visible.

Not sure how Riley is going to compete/attract recruits with the specter of dropping from D-1 hanging over their head.

So is that why 3,4 players are transfering from, out of EWU?

I thought it was EWU's coach, going to Portland.

I did think it weird for the coach to make a Lateral move to Portland, when he was so successful at EWU, and could in 1,2,3 years have gotten a much better head coach gig, then a lateral move to Portland

Maybe he the coach wanted out badly, because of the president you talk about, and so would have taken almost any head coach job.

 

[jourdand]

Mikalalas you yourself said recruits would not go to Arizona because it was a mess. One day after he committed Miller was fired. Lloyd took the job and went a deferent direction instantly. Look at what he did against PAC 12 competition this year. He had a good game vs WSU and terrible games against Arizona and Oregon. He was very over matched in the Game against Kansas.
All most nothing you say about him is true! Why can’t you be happy that we got a solid player with good experience without making stuff up and overhyping every player.

 

[7ICoug]

I did think it weird for the coach to make a Lateral move to Portland, when he was so successful at EWU, and could in 1,2,3 years have gotten a much better head coach gig, then a lateral move to Portland

Maybe he the coach wanted out badly, because of the president you talk about, and so would have taken almost any head coach job.

No, EWU doesn't pay there coaching staff squat. They are just cheap. Coach has a family to feed.

 

[mikalalas]

Mikalalas you yourself said recruits would not go to Arizona because it was a mess. One day after he committed Miller was fired. Lloyd took the job and went a deferent direction instantly. Look at what he did against PAC 12 competition this year. He had a good game vs WSU and terrible games against Arizona and Oregon. He was very over matched in the Game against Kansas.
All most nothing you say about him is true! Why can’t you be happy that we got a solid player with good experience without making stuff up and overhyping every player.

Dude I am not saying he is a NBA player. And he is not ALL world beater.

The comparison I made in saying he is LIKE, ESQUE to Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Charles Barkley, Sean Elliot, is that he Aiken is a CROSS of those type of players, in STYLE, body frame, height, weight, athleticism, game, etc.

But that doesnt mean that they are going to the NBA. I dont know if he is going to the NBA. He probably wont make the NBA.

But he is better then Kunc, DJ Rodman, and good enough to PLATOON START at the 3 spot, and be #1 back up at the 3 spot, and to squeeze him in any way can to get him SOME minutes, about 25 to 30 minutes per game, by the end of the season.

I also said that he will probably score about 12 to 14 to 16 points per game, and about 10 Rebounds per game, by the end of this coming season, or the next season after this season.

That is not unrealistic. He scored 13.3 ppg at EWU against some good competition, and had a game high of 28 points in a game.

Like I said there is a reason why Arizona, Miller wanted him badly.

Yes Arizona is a mess. I dont know why Kim Aiken and top recruits want to play for that Mess. Guess it goes to show that Miller was a Top Recruiter, to still be able to recruit to that MESS.

But MESS or NOT, has almost no bearing on Kim Aiken.

Miller, Arizona wanted Kim Aiken. They saw him as a Sean Elliot(6ft 7.5 in) version 2.0( type, style, game), as his, the absolute TOP of his POTENTIAL, CEILING.

Despite the Mess at Arizona. This is still Arizona we are talking about here. They are a semi Duke, Semi Blue Blood.

When a Semi Duke type like a Arizona, UCLA, and a Duke type like a Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, etc, offers, wants a player, whether thats Kim Aiken or another player, that USUALLY means that the player is PROBABLY THAT GOOD, because if the player wasnt that good, why would the Duke type, Arizona, UCLA, etc, offer the player.

Arizona, Miller, wanted, offered Kim Aiken. That means in my book, and in most experts books, Kim Aiken is a good, great player, better then DJ Rodman, better then Kunc, or Arizona, Miller wouldnt have offered him.

The only reason why he Kim Aiken decided to goto WSU, and why Arizona didnt have room for him:

Arizona, Miller did have room for Kim, thats why he was offered.

But then Miller was fired(For his shady recruiting, and 1 semi bad, not as good year)

That made Kim want to go looking elsewhere.

And because Kim started looking Elsewhere, Lloyd started looking elsewhere and got Ballo, 1 of the best Centers in America, taking Kim's spot on team, further causing Kim to goto WSU instead.

So altho Arizona was a Mess, because of self ban, etc, I will still go by Miller, Arizona offering Kim, and that meaning Kim is good, great, better then DJ Rodman, Better then Kunc, over your word Jourdand.

And your most definitly UNDER, LOWBALLING, UNDER hyping Kim Aiken.

And if I am overhyping, and I dont think its over hyping to say he is or will be better then DJ Rodman, Kunc, and since you are under hyping, low balling kim, then Kim will probably be somewhere in between.

 

[Observer11]

No, EWU doesn't pay there coaching staff squat. They are just cheap. Coach has a family to feed.

Since Chaves left, EWU el cheapo. Guys like Baldwin and Hayford would have stayed forever for a moderate increase in pay for themselves and assistants. They were gaining some momentum in donations and fan support and alumni pride (wife actually spent some $$$ at an EWU gathering a few years back -her degree is from EWU).

Mary Cullnanen ran out tons of good people and flipped that school upside down - in turn, she got run off by the Regents, partially because of how many long time Eagles she alienated. I have to believe her intent was to defund athletics and turn EWU into another Evergreen State. It was shameful.

No harm in Shantay leaving - slight pay bump and certainty for a few more years. If he wins at Portland, he'll get sniffs at P5 jobs. He's good. EWU didn't even offer him an extension so no wonder he bailed.

So with no coach and no known commitment to athletics, EWU players got while the getting was good and they'll go down in history as the squad who took Kansas to the brink. The free pass transfer this year couldn't have come at a better time for them.

 

[mikalalas]

I don't know much about him, but he was the Big Sky defensive player of the year. He should fit right in to what Coach Smith wants. EWU sure had some talent.

Careful Jourdand might go after you for claiming Kim Aiken was Defensive Player of the Year for the Big Sky, instead of All Big Sky Conference defensive pick selection like it says in the Tweet Above, just because Jourdand went after me for assuming what you said is true, and Parroting, repeating what you said.

But maybe not as Jourdand never ever goes after you and others for saying what youbsaid, and only goes after me for saying what you said, and because he Jourdand errantly thinks I am pulling this out of my but from nowhere and not getting it from sources, and other posters like you.

 

[jourdand]

He was Bigsky defensive player of the year. He was not 2 time defensive player of year like you said. Get your facts strait and people might respect your opinion more.

 

[Coug4life34]

🤔🤔🤔😩😩🍿🍿🍿

 

[mikalalas]

He was Bigsky defensive player of the year. He was not 2 time defensive player of year like you said. Get your facts strait and people might respect your opinion more.

No you didnt say he was Big Sky Defensive Player of year.

I said he was a 1,2, 1 or 2 time Big Sky Defensive player of the year, which I not only got from the poster above, but from the twitter trail, google searching up sources.

You responded, said that Kim Aiken was never Big Sky Defensive player of the year, and that I shouldnt make up things like, say that Kim was a Big Sky Defensive player of the year.

If dont want to go by what I am saying, I can copy paste what you said here for reference.

Now that might not have been what you meant. But you did say that or something like that, to that effect.

 

[jourdand]

You’re right I never mentioned he was Bigsky defensive player of the year, I said he was not 2 time Bigsky defensive player of the year, which he was not. Again I have watched, talked to, sat with at EWU functions and coached along side this guy he is quality above quality and a solid addition just be happy we have him and let him contribute his way and you will be happy. If you think we got some freak athlete who is going to come in and and be an ankle breaking highlight dunking machine you will be disappointed.

 

[Coug4life34]

You’re right I never mentioned he was Bigsky defensive player of the year, I said he was not 2 time Bigsky defensive player of the year, which he was not. Again I have watched, talked to, sat with at EWU functions and coached along side this guy he is quality above quality and a solid addition just be happy we have him and let him contribute his way and you will be happy. If you think we got some freak athlete who is going to come in and and be an ankle breaking highlight dunking machine you will be disappointed.

Is he an offensive player at all. I certainly witnessed him hit some threes, but he didn’t seem to me to be a player who was handling the ball and breaking down defenses. He seemed to be a secondary player who was capable of hitting open threes but spent more time as a physical defender scoring more off of Offensive rebounds and 15 footers.. He said he aspired to be Kawhi Leonard. What are your thoughts on that quote. Is it possible for him to be a poor mans KL with development?

 

[jourdand]

He can hit the 3 but not very consistent, hopefully that will improve as he does have a good looking stroke. He really isn’t a great slasher but can do it at times. He gets most of his points off his defense and hustle/ rebounding. If I had to make a comparison which I don’t like to do I would say a cross between Kunc and Miller which is perfect considering that’s basically who he will be replacing.

 

[mikalalas]

Is he an offensive player at all. I certainly witnessed him hit some threes, but he didn’t seem to me to be a player who was handling the ball and breaking down defenses. He seemed to be a secondary player who was capable of hitting open threes but spent more time as a physical defender scoring more off of Offensive rebounds and 15 footers.. He said he aspired to be Kawhi Leonard. What are your thoughts on that quote. Is it possible for him to be a poor mans KL with development?

Even tho your saying he Kim is saying that he wants to be a Kawhi.

I dont think he will be.

Kawhi is even more athletic then the 4 examples of Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Sean Elliot, Charles Barkely.

Kim is just not tall enough, weigh enough, athletic enough to be even a poor mans version of a Kawhi wannabe.

Kawhi, has, is more comparable to a 6ft 10.5 in Efe, or Shawn Kemp, as Kawhi is about 6 ft 9.5 in to 10.5 in tall, Efe, Shawn Kemp Athleticism.

Kim is 6 ft 7 in, and is a 3, stretch 4, whereas Kawhi is a Efe, Shawn Kemp like POWER FORWARD, 4.

Kim is NOT a POWER FORWARD, back to basket, post up player.

As you said he gets points from rebounding, cleaning up garbage, dish offs from PG's, mid range jumpers, and 3 point shots and the OCASSIONAL drive, lay up, tear dropper, runner, dunk, etc, in the lane.

Just because you havent seen that, in the couple few games, you have seen, doesnt mean he cant do that.

And in the videos I have seen, watched of him, which can be google searched, he has done that, but doesnt do that as often as the other stuff he does.

Instead of being, or can being a extreme poor mans version of kawhi, Kim is more of a extremely poor mans version of Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, Sean Elliot, Malik Sealy, Charles Barkley, all combined together into 1 player, that is 6ft 7 in.

That dont mean he is or will be as good as those players. He wont be as good as those players. He wont make the NBA, etc.

But stylistically, height, weight, athleticism, game, he is closer to being a extremely poor mans version of those players, style, height, weight, game, etc, then he would be to being a extremely poor mans version of Kawhi.

That may be Kim's aspiration, to become like Kawhi. And thats a fine aspiration, but I dont think he would become even a extremely poor mans version of Kawhi.

If I could pick only 1 player, I would say he is the closest to Dennis Rodman and his son DJ Rodman, an or that if he isnt close to that, can become close to that with development.

 

[Coug1990]

After reading brand Y's analysis and a few other things, I think he is a better pick up that I first thought. According to KenPom, and their statistical analysis, Tanner was the best player in the Big Sky, and Aiken was the second best player. Aiken is a really good defensive player, good rebounder, and a very efficient offensive player. I think he starts.

 

[mikalalas]

After reading brand Y's analysis and a few other things, I think he is a better pick up that I first thought. According to KenPom, and their statistical analysis, Tanner was the best player in the Big Sky, and Aiken was the second best player. Aiken is a really good defensive player, good rebounder, and a very efficient offensive player. I think he starts.

Whoa be careful now. Now your saying he will do even more then I was saying in saying he would PLATOON start at the 3 spot, be #1 back up, get at least 24 minutes, be the sole starter by either end of this coming season or by the end of the next season after this coming season at the latest, and that he is or will or shoukd be better then Kunc, and that he will score at least 11 to 13 to 15 ppg, 9, 10 rebounds per game, by the end of the next season, after this season at the latest, based on videos, stats, and Arizona, Miller offering him.

Now your saying that he will do better then even I was saying he would do.

So careful now, Jourdand is gona say your overhyping Kim more then I am now.

That said, I do agree with you.

 

[7ICoug]

I think if he starts he has to beat out several players who are already in the system. These "starters" I see from various sources are pretty suspect. I think he is a great glue guy who can come in and play at the 3 or 4.

As none of us has seen most of these guys play its fun speculation.

 

[mikalalas]

I think if he starts he has to beat out several players who are already in the system. These "starters" I see from various sources are pretty suspect. I think he is a great glue guy who can come in and play at the 3 or 4.

As none of us has seen most of these guys play its fun speculation.

If he Kim was playing the 5,4,2,1,PG spots, I would absolutly agree with you as all the starters, #1 back ups are better then him at those spots(Dischon, Vova, Efe, Noah, Koulibaly, etc.

But at the 3 spot, even tho there is now a 6,7 player log Jam there, there is Rodman, Kim, Rosario, Bamba, AJ, Rapp.

Rodman will start out the Starter at the 3 spot, but Kim will eventually, gradually Platoon there, at the 3 spot, or be #1 back up at the 3 spot.

Rosario, Bamba, Rapp are all not as good as Kim. And by the end of the next season after this coming season Kim would surpass DJ Rodman, be the sole starter at the 3.

Even tho your right that I and others havent seen him in person play.

I and others have seen his play IN HIS EWU VIDEOS, and there are his stats, and there is Ken Pom and other sources, and mist importantly, A DUKE TYPE IN ARIZONA, SEAN MILLER OFFERED KIM OVER NOT OFFERING KUNC, WHEN KUNC TRANSFERED FROM WSU, WHICH MEANS THAT KIM IS AS GOOD AS I, ME, OTHERS, WE ARE SAYING, BECAUSE IF HE WASNT, ARIZONA AND SEAN MILLER WOULDNT HAVE OFFERED KIM AND WOULD HAVE OFFERED KUNC INSTEAD, WHEN KUNC TRANSFERED FROM WSU.

 

[7ICoug]

If he Kim was playing the 5,4,2,1,PG spots, I would absolutly agree with you as all the starters, #1 back ups are better then him at those spots(Dischon, Vova, Efe, Noah, Koulibaly, etc.

But at the 3 spot, even tho there is now a 6,7 player log Jam there, there is Rodman, Kim, Rosario, Bamba, AJ, Rapp.

Rodman will start out the Starter at the 3 spot, but Kim will eventually, gradually Platoon there, at the 3 spot, or be #1 back up at the 3 spot.

Rosario, Bamba, Rapp are all not as good as Kim. And by the end of the next season after this coming season Kim would surpass DJ Rodman, be the sole starter at the 3.

Even tho your right that I and others havent seen him in person play.

I and others have seen his play IN HIS EWU VIDEOS, and there are his stats, and there is Ken Pom and other sources, and mist importantly, A DUKE TYPE IN ARIZONA, SEAN MILLER OFFERED KIM OVER NOT OFFERING KUNC, WHEN KUNC TRANSFERED FROM WSU, WHICH MEANS THAT KIM IS AS GOOD AS I, ME, OTHERS, WE ARE SAYING, BECAUSE IF HE WASNT, ARIZONA AND SEAN MILLER WOULDNT HAVE OFFERED KIM AND WOULD HAVE OFFERED KUNC INSTEAD, WHEN KUNC TRANSFERED FROM WSU.

Arizona offered him when the Coach was Miller, who knew that 1-3 years of probation was forthcoming. The new coach quickly cut ties with him and thus we got him as a nice defensive specialist. If you can't score on this team you won't play. It is also highly likely that he will be a backup player at the 4 which is where Jaz played, not at the 3 spot. There you have to defend and board.

 

[Coug4life34]

After reading brand Y's analysis and a few other things, I think he is a better pick up that I first thought. According to KenPom, and their statistical analysis, Tanner was the best player in the Big Sky, and Aiken was the second best player. Aiken is a really good defensive player, good rebounder, and a very efficient offensive player. I think he starts.

You think he starts? Just curious. What would your starting 5 be then? Somebody has to sit. I feel as though your statement means either efi or dischon will sit..

 

[Coug1990]

You think he starts? Just curious. What would your starting 5 be then? Somebody has to sit. I feel as though your statement means either efi or dischon will sit..

Flowers and Williams in the backcourt. Efe and Aiken as the forwards. Jackson in the middle. I think there is going to be a lot of flexibility on this team. Aiken will be able to play from the 2-4 positions. The guy is an outstanding rebounder. He was better than Tanner as a rebounder despite playing guard at EWU.

 

[Coug1990]

Arizona offered him when the Coach was Miller, who knew that 1-3 years of probation was forthcoming. The new coach quickly cut ties with him and thus we got him as a nice defensive specialist. If you can't score on this team you won't play. It is also highly likely that he will be a backup player at the 4 which is where Jaz played, not at the 3 spot. There you have to defend and board.

Arizona is still Arizona. Even with likely probation, they were still pulling in four star recruits with Miller. So, if Miller wanted him, that still says a lot.

 

[mikalalas]

You think he starts? Just curious. What would your starting 5 be then? Somebody has to sit. I feel as though your statement means either efi or dischon will sit..

No I think he means something like this:

1. Flowers
2. Noah
3. Kim
4. Efe
5. Dischon Jackson.

I see Kim as a PLATOON starter at best for NOW, #1 back up at the 3 spot.

DJ Rodman probably starts the season as the starter at the 3 spot, with Kim as the #1 back up at the 3 spot.

Then Kim eventually, gradually becomes a PLATOON starter at the 3 spot by the end of the season, beginning of next season after this coming season.

Then Kim becomes the sole starter at the 3 spot by the end of the next season after this coming season.

I also see Kim being a #1 or #2 back up at the 4 spot, when he is not starting, backing up the 3 spot.

I also see Kim as the #3, #4 back up at the 2, SG spot.

Basically I see Smith SQUEEZING Kim in wherever he can that would fit to get him some minutes, because Kim is a flexible, HYBRID, 3,4,2 SPOTS player.

I see Kim getting about 24 minutes per game, not all at the 3 spot, but mostly at the 3 spot

Then during the next seasson after this coming season, I see Kim getting about 30 minutes per game, by the very end of the season after this coming season at the latest.