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Keeps making some schools who are already strong with recruiting better just with the name. while some schools like Arizona uses money to buy players. I saw they got a commitment from Justin Flowe former Oregon LB 5* how much did it cost them. We must be recruiting the bargain basement/blue light specials. Just follow the NCAA transfer portal on Twitter.
 
Keeps making some schools who are already strong with recruiting better just with the name. while some schools like Arizona uses money to buy players. I saw they got a commitment from Justin Flowe former Oregon LB 5* how much did it cost them. We must be recruiting the bargain basement/blue light specials. Just follow the NCAA transfer portal on Twitter.
Oregon fans weren't sad to see Flowe go. He never really materialized there.
 
It would appear they have punted on the portal.
maybe, it could be due to the reason most players are in the portal, is it looking for playing time, or looking for money. I suspect most are looking for money and if that is the case WSU is at a disadvantage for those players
 
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Keeps making some schools who are already strong with recruiting better just with the name. while some schools like Arizona uses money to buy players. I saw they got a commitment from Justin Flowe former Oregon LB 5* how much did it cost them. We must be recruiting the bargain basement/blue light specials. Just follow the NCAA transfer portal on Twitter.
Of course WSU is looking for Blue Light specials. Cheapest fan base in the P5. Unlike stadium funding, players won’t take IOUs.
 
maybe, it could be due to the reason most players are in the portal, is it looking for playing time, or looking for money. I suspect most are looking for money and if that is the case WSU is at a disadvantage for those players

Agree. It can be tough to go shopping with empty pockets. Does anyone know how much or how little WSU has for NIL $?

They could literally sign 11 transfers on offense and they could all win starting jobs.
 
Lane Kiffin has said publicly that kids should make sure they are actually getting what they were promised.
Many aren’t getting what was promised. Many are also hearing $ figures and them getting housing and rents cars “worth” that $. Lots of kids getting shafted. On top of that many teammates transferring and pissed cause of the $ their teammates get. Imagine 2 wide receivers both for for 1000 yards and one got a lamborghini. That’s what happened at Arizona and now Singer is at USC. NIL will both bring guys and drive guys away. The smart way to use it is to buy lineman. I would bet out next month is focused of lineman.
 
The more things change the more they stay the same, here are Hugh McElhanny's words

"What they did with me was illegal," McElhenny said of the Huskies, publicly confirming for the first time that rules violations were committed on his behalf. "I know it was illegal for me to receive cash, and every month I received cash. I know it was illegal to receive clothing, and I got clothing all the time from stores.
"I got a check every month, and it was never signed by the same person, so we never really knew who it was coming from. They invested in me every year. Peg and I made more in college than I made in pro ball.
"When I look back, it was funny."
McElhenny said he and his wife received a combined $10,000 per year while in Seattle, give or take a few perks. That included Peggy's job with a medical insurance company (which was legitimate), his monthly $75 scholarship stipend (also legit) and an extra $300 monthly payment (definitely a rule-breaker).

I know $10,000 may not sound like much, but $10,000 a year in 1950, is the equivalent of about $125,000 a year in todays dollars. Needless to say, now that it's legal the numbers for NIL deals have grown exponentially, and will continue to grow.

It is rather obvious that caps and regulations need to be put in place, and as always the NCAA is slow to respond. I personally think the NCAA was upset by the transfer portal, and the NIL legal rulings, and knew it could destroy college athletics, and I think they are going to let it run wild to prove their point. As this whole thing gets worse and administrators start begging them to do something. I think they are looking for more leverage and they are waiting for it to become a total mess.
 
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The more things change the more they stay the same, here are Hugh McElhanny's words

"What they did with me was illegal," McElhenny said of the Huskies, publicly confirming for the first time that rules violations were committed on his behalf. "I know it was illegal for me to receive cash, and every month I received cash. I know it was illegal to receive clothing, and I got clothing all the time from stores.
"I got a check every month, and it was never signed by the same person, so we never really knew who it was coming from. They invested in me every year. Peg and I made more in college than I made in pro ball.
"When I look back, it was funny."
McElhenny said he and his wife received a combined $10,000 per year while in Seattle, give or take a few perks. That included Peggy's job with a medical insurance company (which was legitimate), his monthly $75 scholarship stipend (also legit) and an extra $300 monthly payment (definitely a rule-breaker).

I know $10,000 may not sound like much, but $10,000 a year in 1950, is the equivalent of about $125,000 a year in todays dollars. Needless to say, now that it's legal the numbers for NIL deals have grown exponentially, and will continue to grow.

It is rather obvious that caps and regulations need to be put in place, and as always the NCAA is slow to respond. I personally think the NCAA was upset by the transfer portal, and the NIL legal rulings, and knew it could destroy college athletics, and I think they are going to let it run wild to prove their point. As this whole thing gets worse and administrators start begging them to do something. I think they are looking for more leverage and they are waiting for it to become a total mess.

Why do caps need to be put in place?

Do coaches have caps on their compensation?

If not, then why should players?
 
Many aren’t getting what was promised. Many are also hearing $ figures and them getting housing and rents cars “worth” that $. Lots of kids getting shafted. On top of that many teammates transferring and pissed cause of the $ their teammates get. Imagine 2 wide receivers both for for 1000 yards and one got a lamborghini. That’s what happened at Arizona and now Singer is at USC. NIL will both bring guys and drive guys away. The smart way to use it is to buy lineman. I would bet out next month is focused of lineman.

The smart way to invest is DNA and engines.

Receivers, backs, linebackers, safeties are a dime a dozen. You can find or make centers and guards.

Tackles and pocket passers on offense. Defensive tackles, pass rushers and corners on defense. These are the positions you pay because the DNA needed isn’t abundant. You pay for height, backpeddle, edge speed and brains.
 
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The more things change the more they stay the same, here are Hugh McElhanny's words

"What they did with me was illegal," McElhenny said of the Huskies, publicly confirming for the first time that rules violations were committed on his behalf. "I know it was illegal for me to receive cash, and every month I received cash. I know it was illegal to receive clothing, and I got clothing all the time from stores.
"I got a check every month, and it was never signed by the same person, so we never really knew who it was coming from. They invested in me every year. Peg and I made more in college than I made in pro ball.
"When I look back, it was funny."
McElhenny said he and his wife received a combined $10,000 per year while in Seattle, give or take a few perks. That included Peggy's job with a medical insurance company (which was legitimate), his monthly $75 scholarship stipend (also legit) and an extra $300 monthly payment (definitely a rule-breaker).

I know $10,000 may not sound like much, but $10,000 a year in 1950, is the equivalent of about $125,000 a year in todays dollars. Needless to say, now that it's legal the numbers for NIL deals have grown exponentially, and will continue to grow.

It is rather obvious that caps and regulations need to be put in place, and as always the NCAA is slow to respond. I personally think the NCAA was upset by the transfer portal, and the NIL legal rulings, and knew it could destroy college athletics, and I think they are going to let it run wild to prove their point. As this whole thing gets worse and administrators start begging them to do something. I think they are looking for more leverage and they are waiting for it to become a total mess.

The court has ruled the kids can be paid. How are there going to be caps when the school isnt paying? How is there going to be a cap when the coaches salaries and admin salaries are out of control?

If the NCAA wants to limit the portal and the NIL $….. go back to 25 man recruiting class limit and watch the amount of chairs shrink fast…. with limited opportunity, kids better think hard about trading what they have for what’s behind door #3.

Or, cut the rosters to 70 all in.
 
For the same reason the NFL has caps for competitive balance.

The NFL also has:
Teams that pay, not fans.
A roster limit.
A draft where worst teams choose first.
Tampering rules.

Your idea of a cap…. whose money are they capping? The fans? Aint happening.
 
The court has ruled the kids can be paid. How are there going to be caps when the school isnt paying? How is there going to be a cap when the coaches salaries and admin salaries are out of control?

If the NCAA wants to limit the portal and the NIL $….. go back to 25 man recruiting class limit and watch the amount of chairs shrink fast…. with limited opportunity, kids better think hard about trading what they have for what’s behind door #3.

Or, cut the rosters to 70 all in.
I hate the idea of limiting scholarships for SAs that bust their ass for the dream of playing at the next level but that’s probably going to be the only way to equalize the playing field.
 
I hate the idea of limiting scholarships for SAs that bust their ass for the dream of playing at the next level but that’s probably going to be the only way to equalize the playing field.

There are a lot of places to get a scholarship to play football. It may not be at the biggest school but it’s still a scholarship, it’s still football and it’s still an education.

I believe we see too many kids with entitlement on where they play football. The mindset of “it’s D1 or no one” is ridiculous.

Also, let’s be honest. Of the 85 kids on scholarship at ANY power 5 school really all NFL caliber prospects? Or are there 15 kids that could go elsewhere and not really hurt the two deep talent level at Alabama?
 
This is one of our better threads in recent times. Defense, thank you for starting it. So many things came to mind as I just read down if tor the first time:

Long time, I suspect that more kids enter the portal as a first step seeking playing time. Those who are looking for money have generally already been tampered with and enter the portal as a second step with some pseudo-guarantee of money to come if they transfer. Initially, most of the portal was the first case. Today, my bet is that most of the FBS non-starters are still looking for PT; FCS starters are looking more for a bigger stage along with some money; but virtually every starter of a FBS team entering the portal has already been tampered with and is expecting the money that was already informally promised. I say "informally", because even with a sleeping NCAA, a team would have to be colossally stupid to put figures in writing in advance.

Biggs, your Lane Kiffin comment is what we all are seeing. Way too many folks telling kids what they want to hear in order to get them, then failing to deliver, as Chugs also noted. The kids are partially at fault for believing promises that clearly cannot be made legitimately. As for DNA and engines, again, I think we all agree. I completely agree with Chugs that prioritizing linemen in our limited WSU spending is a good move; though I also agree with Biggs that you can find or make O guards. Centers are more difficult. DT's and edge rushers, along with OT's, are where I'd be spending first.

Roses, I loved your recap of Hugh's comments; I had not read that in quite a while. You made some good observations.

How, what we have at present is the worst combination of the pro and college games from a player resource standpoint. It clearly is not sustainable if the goal is to have anything resembling the college game of 10 years ago, 10 years from now. The complete lack of sustainability is what drives my despair at what is happening. Why despair instead of anger? Because individuals like you and I have no influence. The thing about despair, though, is that it leads relatively quickly to resignation and withdrawal. The college football money suck depends on more people watching & spending. Resignation and withdrawal leads to less people watching & spending. Again, it is not sustainable.

Finally, all the conversation about what the NCAA realistically can and cannot do has led me to finally accepting something Biggs has promoted for a long time. A 70 scholarship limit. Scholie limits are something the NCAA indisputably can do, whereas financial limits appear to not be within their purvey. So if you can't shave spending on each individual, instead shave the number of individuals on each team. Perhaps also limit # of transfers, or impose a time delay between them. Perhaps nix the portal until after all the bowl games are played. Taken together, this will help to spread talent more broadly by limiting stockpiling, limit the ability of the deep pockets teams to lie to everyone without fear of losing more than a little NIL money, and limit a little bit the pre-bowl game betrayals.

Finally, fan support...I actually bumped my athletic dept contributions quite a bit instead of going the collective/NIL route, though I understand the reasons for both. We'll need both. And either the NCAA does some of the things noted above to get it under control, or within 2-3 years I believe the resignation & withdrawal will be in full force as fans of the cr*pped upon teams become sufficiently disillusioned to decide that other activities are more worthy of their interest...at least enough of them will decide that to tilt available revenue downward and get the attention of the ESPN's of the world. If you've paid any attention to the stock market or business news for the past year, you recognize that every media platform has a business model that is 100% dependent upon growth, and they all recognize that they are competing for the same audience. They will not all survive. If the college football market is damaged, they will all bleed, one way or the other. Keeping the game healthy and fans involved is in all their best interests.

We live in interesting times, and I expect 2023 to be pivotal in terms of the future direction of college athletics.
 
Many aren’t getting what was promised. Many are also hearing $ figures and them getting housing and rents cars “worth” that $. Lots of kids getting shafted. On top of that many teammates transferring and pissed cause of the $ their teammates get. Imagine 2 wide receivers both for for 1000 yards and one got a lamborghini. That’s what happened at Arizona and now Singer is at USC. NIL will both bring guys and drive guys away. The smart way to use it is to buy lineman. I would bet out next month is focused of lineman.
geezus, the entitlement is real.

The more I hear, the more it infuriates me/ makes me sick.

Too bad not a single person saw any of this coming...
 
This is one of our better threads in recent times. Defense, thank you for starting it. So many things came to mind as I just read down if tor the first time:

Long time, I suspect that more kids enter the portal as a first step seeking playing time. Those who are looking for money have generally already been tampered with and enter the portal as a second step with some pseudo-guarantee of money to come if they transfer. Initially, most of the portal was the first case. Today, my bet is that most of the FBS non-starters are still looking for PT; FCS starters are looking more for a bigger stage along with some money; but virtually every starter of a FBS team entering the portal has already been tampered with and is expecting the money that was already informally promised. I say "informally", because even with a sleeping NCAA, a team would have to be colossally stupid to put figures in writing in advance.

Biggs, your Lane Kiffin comment is what we all are seeing. Way too many folks telling kids what they want to hear in order to get them, then failing to deliver, as Chugs also noted. The kids are partially at fault for believing promises that clearly cannot be made legitimately. As for DNA and engines, again, I think we all agree. I completely agree with Chugs that prioritizing linemen in our limited WSU spending is a good move; though I also agree with Biggs that you can find or make O guards. Centers are more difficult. DT's and edge rushers, along with OT's, are where I'd be spending first.

Roses, I loved your recap of Hugh's comments; I had not read that in quite a while. You made some good observations.

How, what we have at present is the worst combination of the pro and college games from a player resource standpoint. It clearly is not sustainable if the goal is to have anything resembling the college game of 10 years ago, 10 years from now. The complete lack of sustainability is what drives my despair at what is happening. Why despair instead of anger? Because individuals like you and I have no influence. The thing about despair, though, is that it leads relatively quickly to resignation and withdrawal. The college football money suck depends on more people watching & spending. Resignation and withdrawal leads to less people watching & spending. Again, it is not sustainable.

Finally, all the conversation about what the NCAA realistically can and cannot do has led me to finally accepting something Biggs has promoted for a long time. A 70 scholarship limit. Scholie limits are something the NCAA indisputably can do, whereas financial limits appear to not be within their purvey. So if you can't shave spending on each individual, instead shave the number of individuals on each team. Perhaps also limit # of transfers, or impose a time delay between them. Perhaps nix the portal until after all the bowl games are played. Taken together, this will help to spread talent more broadly by limiting stockpiling, limit the ability of the deep pockets teams to lie to everyone without fear of losing more than a little NIL money, and limit a little bit the pre-bowl game betrayals.

Finally, fan support...I actually bumped my athletic dept contributions quite a bit instead of going the collective/NIL route, though I understand the reasons for both. We'll need both. And either the NCAA does some of the things noted above to get it under control, or within 2-3 years I believe the resignation & withdrawal will be in full force as fans of the cr*pped upon teams become sufficiently disillusioned to decide that other activities are more worthy of their interest...at least enough of them will decide that to tilt available revenue downward and get the attention of the ESPN's of the world. If you've paid any attention to the stock market or business news for the past year, you recognize that every media platform has a business model that is 100% dependent upon growth, and they all recognize that they are competing for the same audience. They will not all survive. If the college football market is damaged, they will all bleed, one way or the other. Keeping the game healthy and fans involved is in all their best interests.

We live in interesting times, and I expect 2023 to be pivotal in terms of the future direction of college athletics.

Centers can be made. If your OL coach cannot teach kids to snap a football, you have the wrong guy.

I suspect that the collective and Dickfore conversation went something like this… “We have $ to pay a fee guys we have now OR pay new guys to come. Not both. Choose now because vultures are circling.” Hence, little action in the portal.

Glad you see it my way in regards to the scholarship limit. There are things the NCAA can do and things they cannot do. Capping $ spent by outside sources isn’t one of them.

I would take your portal ideas a step further. The NCAA could limit how many portal kids a team can take in a class. Something to keep teams from gobbling all the talent.

At some point the “have nots” are going to have to band together or they will lose it all. They cannot watch the “haves” take all the tv $, take all the portal kids, take all the 4-5 star high school kids and manufacture a super league without them. They have to move now to create an opportunity for themselves down the road.

The Pac 10 schools should be blackballing SC and UCLA from all future schedules.
 
This is one of our better threads in recent times. Defense, thank you for starting it. So many things came to mind as I just read down if tor the first time:

Long time, I suspect that more kids enter the portal as a first step seeking playing time. Those who are looking for money have generally already been tampered with and enter the portal as a second step with some pseudo-guarantee of money to come if they transfer. Initially, most of the portal was the first case. Today, my bet is that most of the FBS non-starters are still looking for PT; FCS starters are looking more for a bigger stage along with some money; but virtually every starter of a FBS team entering the portal has already been tampered with and is expecting the money that was already informally promised. I say "informally", because even with a sleeping NCAA, a team would have to be colossally stupid to put figures in writing in advance.

Biggs, your Lane Kiffin comment is what we all are seeing. Way too many folks telling kids what they want to hear in order to get them, then failing to deliver, as Chugs also noted. The kids are partially at fault for believing promises that clearly cannot be made legitimately. As for DNA and engines, again, I think we all agree. I completely agree with Chugs that prioritizing linemen in our limited WSU spending is a good move; though I also agree with Biggs that you can find or make O guards. Centers are more difficult. DT's and edge rushers, along with OT's, are where I'd be spending first.

Roses, I loved your recap of Hugh's comments; I had not read that in quite a while. You made some good observations.

How, what we have at present is the worst combination of the pro and college games from a player resource standpoint. It clearly is not sustainable if the goal is to have anything resembling the college game of 10 years ago, 10 years from now. The complete lack of sustainability is what drives my despair at what is happening. Why despair instead of anger? Because individuals like you and I have no influence. The thing about despair, though, is that it leads relatively quickly to resignation and withdrawal. The college football money suck depends on more people watching & spending. Resignation and withdrawal leads to less people watching & spending. Again, it is not sustainable.

Finally, all the conversation about what the NCAA realistically can and cannot do has led me to finally accepting something Biggs has promoted for a long time. A 70 scholarship limit. Scholie limits are something the NCAA indisputably can do, whereas financial limits appear to not be within their purvey. So if you can't shave spending on each individual, instead shave the number of individuals on each team. Perhaps also limit # of transfers, or impose a time delay between them. Perhaps nix the portal until after all the bowl games are played. Taken together, this will help to spread talent more broadly by limiting stockpiling, limit the ability of the deep pockets teams to lie to everyone without fear of losing more than a little NIL money, and limit a little bit the pre-bowl game betrayals.

Finally, fan support...I actually bumped my athletic dept contributions quite a bit instead of going the collective/NIL route, though I understand the reasons for both. We'll need both. And either the NCAA does some of the things noted above to get it under control, or within 2-3 years I believe the resignation & withdrawal will be in full force as fans of the cr*pped upon teams become sufficiently disillusioned to decide that other activities are more worthy of their interest...at least enough of them will decide that to tilt available revenue downward and get the attention of the ESPN's of the world. If you've paid any attention to the stock market or business news for the past year, you recognize that every media platform has a business model that is 100% dependent upon growth, and they all recognize that they are competing for the same audience. They will not all survive. If the college football market is damaged, they will all bleed, one way or the other. Keeping the game healthy and fans involved is in all their best interests.

We live in interesting times, and I expect 2023 to be pivotal in terms of the future direction of college athletics.

Great post. Thanks.

I think many are running with the assumption that the NCAA wants "fairness." This is a bad assumption. They are corrupt and college football is also corrupted by money. It's about being able to be part of a relatively small club that makes a lot of money and those who are left out. Tough luck to those who are left out of the club. I hate to be this cynical, but college football is a mirror to what is happening to our country in general. It won't behave any better, and may in fact behave worse.
 
This is one of our better threads in recent times. Defense, thank you for starting it. So many things came to mind as I just read down if tor the first time:

Long time, I suspect that more kids enter the portal as a first step seeking playing time. Those who are looking for money have generally already been tampered with and enter the portal as a second step with some pseudo-guarantee of money to come if they transfer. Initially, most of the portal was the first case. Today, my bet is that most of the FBS non-starters are still looking for PT; FCS starters are looking more for a bigger stage along with some money; but virtually every starter of a FBS team entering the portal has already been tampered with and is expecting the money that was already informally promised. I say "informally", because even with a sleeping NCAA, a team would have to be colossally stupid to put figures in writing in advance.

Biggs, your Lane Kiffin comment is what we all are seeing. Way too many folks telling kids what they want to hear in order to get them, then failing to deliver, as Chugs also noted. The kids are partially at fault for believing promises that clearly cannot be made legitimately. As for DNA and engines, again, I think we all agree. I completely agree with Chugs that prioritizing linemen in our limited WSU spending is a good move; though I also agree with Biggs that you can find or make O guards. Centers are more difficult. DT's and edge rushers, along with OT's, are where I'd be spending first.

Roses, I loved your recap of Hugh's comments; I had not read that in quite a while. You made some good observations.

How, what we have at present is the worst combination of the pro and college games from a player resource standpoint. It clearly is not sustainable if the goal is to have anything resembling the college game of 10 years ago, 10 years from now. The complete lack of sustainability is what drives my despair at what is happening. Why despair instead of anger? Because individuals like you and I have no influence. The thing about despair, though, is that it leads relatively quickly to resignation and withdrawal. The college football money suck depends on more people watching & spending. Resignation and withdrawal leads to less people watching & spending. Again, it is not sustainable.

Finally, all the conversation about what the NCAA realistically can and cannot do has led me to finally accepting something Biggs has promoted for a long time. A 70 scholarship limit. Scholie limits are something the NCAA indisputably can do, whereas financial limits appear to not be within their purvey. So if you can't shave spending on each individual, instead shave the number of individuals on each team. Perhaps also limit # of transfers, or impose a time delay between them. Perhaps nix the portal until after all the bowl games are played. Taken together, this will help to spread talent more broadly by limiting stockpiling, limit the ability of the deep pockets teams to lie to everyone without fear of losing more than a little NIL money, and limit a little bit the pre-bowl game betrayals.

Finally, fan support...I actually bumped my athletic dept contributions quite a bit instead of going the collective/NIL route, though I understand the reasons for both. We'll need both. And either the NCAA does some of the things noted above to get it under control, or within 2-3 years I believe the resignation & withdrawal will be in full force as fans of the cr*pped upon teams become sufficiently disillusioned to decide that other activities are more worthy of their interest...at least enough of them will decide that to tilt available revenue downward and get the attention of the ESPN's of the world. If you've paid any attention to the stock market or business news for the past year, you recognize that every media platform has a business model that is 100% dependent upon growth, and they all recognize that they are competing for the same audience. They will not all survive. If the college football market is damaged, they will all bleed, one way or the other. Keeping the game healthy and fans involved is in all their best interests.

We live in interesting times, and I expect 2023 to be pivotal in terms of the future direction of college athletics.
Great post
 
With NIL, does a limit make much difference? I remember seeing something about BYU paying all walk ons. Why couldn’t an SC or ‘Bama just have the extra 30 or so players they want on NIL? The Hugh M. numbers seem to say a scholie might be peanuts these days.

As far as interest in the game, I‘ve reached the apathy stage since the end of the regular season this year. I watched about 5 minutes of our game. This was when we went for it at our 20, resulting in a TD. Then the questionable return to the 15 and the resulting safety. That was enough.

Watched the last few minutes of OSU to see if they could keep their shutout.

I haven’t been interested to check out any other games.
 
Centers can be made. If your OL coach cannot teach kids to snap a football, you have the wrong guy.

I suspect that the collective and Dickfore conversation went something like this… “We have $ to pay a fee guys we have now OR pay new guys to come. Not both. Choose now because vultures are circling.” Hence, little action in the portal.

Glad you see it my way in regards to the scholarship limit. There are things the NCAA can do and things they cannot do. Capping $ spent by outside sources isn’t one of them.

I would take your portal ideas a step further. The NCAA could limit how many portal kids a team can take in a class. Something to keep teams from gobbling all the talent.

At some point the “have nots” are going to have to band together or they will lose it all. They cannot watch the “haves” take all the tv $, take all the portal kids, take all the 4-5 star high school kids and manufacture a super league without them. They have to move now to create an opportunity for themselves down the road.

The Pac 10 schools should be blackballing SC and UCLA from all future schedules.
In addition to the portal limits, I think the NCAA needs to come up with some sort of compensation scheme. If USC poaches a player from us, we get something. The NFL equivalent is compensatory draft picks.

In our world it would almost have to be financial, and probably couldn’t be more than repaying the scholarship.
 
With NIL, does a limit make much difference? I remember seeing something about BYU paying all walk ons. Why couldn’t an SC or ‘Bama just have the extra 30 or so players they want on NIL? The Hugh M. numbers seem to say a scholie might be peanuts these days.

As far as interest in the game, I‘ve reached the apathy stage since the end of the regular season this year. I watched about 5 minutes of our game. This was when we went for it at our 20, resulting in a TD. Then the questionable return to the 15 and the resulting safety. That was enough.

Watched the last few minutes of OSU to see if they could keep their shutout.

I haven’t been interested to check out any other games.
Reducing rosters would have an effect. Even if the blue bloods did load their roster with the best 70 mercenaries money could buy, fewer roster spots overall means the talent has to spread out to more teams.
 
Centers can be made. If your OL coach cannot teach kids to snap a football, you have the wrong guy.

I suspect that the collective and Dickfore conversation went something like this… “We have $ to pay a fee guys we have now OR pay new guys to come. Not both. Choose now because vultures are circling.” Hence, little action in the portal.

Glad you see it my way in regards to the scholarship limit. There are things the NCAA can do and things they cannot do. Capping $ spent by outside sources isn’t one of them.

I would take your portal ideas a step further. The NCAA could limit how many portal kids a team can take in a class. Something to keep teams from gobbling all the talent.

At some point the “have nots” are going to have to band together or they will lose it all. They cannot watch the “haves” take all the tv $, take all the portal kids, take all the 4-5 star high school kids and manufacture a super league without them. They have to move now to create an opportunity for themselves down the road.

The Pac 10 schools should be blackballing SC and UCLA from all future schedules.
I say you limit the # of kids that can suit up. Go ahead and have 200 kids on the team as walkons. Pay them if you want.

Doesn't matter... they don't play... they don't stay
 
Reducing rosters would have an effect. Even if the blue bloods did load their roster with the best 70 mercenaries money could buy, fewer roster spots overall means the talent has to spread out to more teams.
I remember the 70s when SC was 4 deep. Those guys didn’t mind being on the bench.

if sitting at SC pays more than WSU can pay I wonder what the decision will be.
 
In addition to the portal limits, I think the NCAA needs to come up with some sort of compensation scheme. If USC poaches a player from us, we get something. The NFL equivalent is compensatory draft picks.

In our world it would almost have to be financial, and probably couldn’t be more than repaying the scholarship.

I dont see the day coming when SC writes WSU a check. However…… if SC does take a WSU player is it fair for WSU to receive a bump in scholarship limit??? If the number was 85 but SC takes a kid… is 88 scholarships fair?
 
I say you limit the # of kids that can suit up. Go ahead and have 200 kids on the team as walkons. Pay them if you want.

Doesn't matter... they don't play... they don't stay

Ultimately the long $ is in playing time and hame film for the NFL. Once the mayhem shakes out I suspect there will be kids that choose playing time over $ to be backups.
 
I say you limit the # of kids that can suit up. Go ahead and have 200 kids on the team as walkons. Pay them if you want.

Doesn't matter... they don't play... they don't stay

That won’t work, it would be a return to the 1970s. Alabama/USC could just stockpile good players and pay them to sit on the bench and not play for anyone else. Some of them might leave, but they’re still keeping a lot of talent off of other rosters. Limiting the roster size to 70 means those schools have a far more limited ability to stockpile.

I remember the 70s when SC was 4 deep. Those guys didn’t mind being on the bench.

if sitting at SC pays more than WSU can pay I wonder what the decision will be.

That would be the impact of the roster limit. SC could still pay some players to sit on the bench, but not as many of them. And in todays landscape, fewer players want to do that.

The other advantage SC had back then was the transfer rules. Once a kid signed, he had to give up a year in order to leave. So transferring wasn’t a great alternative, especially if you’d already redshirted. It wasn’t an alternative at all if you were a junior or senior. With the new liberal transfer rules, you’re never locked in anywhere.
 
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That won’t work, it would be a return to the 1970s. Alabama/USC could just stockpile good players and pay them to sit on the bench and not play for anyone else. Some of them might leave, but they’re still keeping a lot of talent off of other rosters. Limiting the roster size to 70 means those schools have a far more limited ability to stockpile.



That would be the impact of the roster limit. SC could still pay some players to sit on the bench, but not as many of them. And in todays landscape, fewer players want to do that.

The other advantage SC had back then was the transfer rules. Once a kid signed, he had to give up a year in order to leave. So transferring wasn’t a great alternative, especially if you’d already redshirted. It wasn’t an alternative at all if you were a junior or senior. With the new liberal transfer rules, you’re never locked in anywhere.
Do walk ons make the roster today, or do they just practice with a chance to make the roster?
 
I remember the 70s when SC was 4 deep. Those guys didn’t mind being on the bench.

if sitting at SC pays more than WSU can pay I wonder what the decision will be.
There is some truth to kids wanting PT as opposed to $$ because they all think they'll play on Sundays (despite almost all of them not.)
 
The smart way to invest is DNA and engines.

Receivers, backs, linebackers, safeties are a dime a dozen. You can find or make centers and guards.

Tackles and pocket passers on offense. Defensive tackles, pass rushers and corners on defense. These are the positions you pay because the DNA needed isn’t abundant. You pay for height, backpeddle, edge speed and brains.
True, and pick a scheme that is a force multiplier on offense and defense such as air raid and A 3-3-5 defense, coach them up build o lineman like leach did.


vanilla is good if you are Georgia or Alabama.
 
I dont see the day coming when SC writes WSU a check. However…… if SC does take a WSU player is it fair for WSU to receive a bump in scholarship limit??? If the number was 85 but SC takes a kid… is 88 scholarships fair?
That would work. Base Roster limit is 70 for everyone.
If SC steals a WSU player:
  • If the player is a reserve, WSU gets +1, USC -1 roster spot
  • If the player is a WSU starter, WSU gets +2
  • Increases/reductions remain in place until the player graduates or their eligibility is exhausted
  • If the same player then transfers from SC to Alabama without graduating, Bama loses a roster spot and SC does not get their roster spot back. Both teams play at -1 (and WSU at +1 or +2) until eligibility is exhausted.
  • No reduction or increase for graduate transfers, provided their graduate study is in a program the original school doesn’t offer (which I think matches the current rule).
Net effect should be that the upper level programs will have fewer roster spots annually, forcing talent to the lower level schools who have extra spots. The upper schools will need to be more strategic with the portal and managing their roster, and will take fewer players through the portal.

This year, Lincoln Riley took 26 transfers at USC. They’d be playing with 44 roster spots, which is completely untenable. Teams simply would not be able to build a roster based on transfers. It would get difficult to manage a team with more than 10-12 transfers and roster reductions.
 
IMHO the solution is for the NCAA to reverse course somewhat and put limits on how much a student athlete can be paid for NIL. I mean crap, a couple of years ago they couldn't get ANY extra money. I dunno, $5,000, $10,000 a year max?
 
True, and pick a scheme that is a force multiplier on offense and defense such as air raid and A 3-3-5 defense, coach them up build o lineman like leach did.


vanilla is good if you are Georgia or Alabama.

The air raid is done. The future of football is rpo and 12 personnel.

I’d love to see WSU run a 33.
 
That would work. Base Roster limit is 70 for everyone.
If SC steals a WSU player:
  • If the player is a reserve, WSU gets +1, USC -1 roster spot
  • If the player is a WSU starter, WSU gets +2
  • Increases/reductions remain in place until the player graduates or their eligibility is exhausted
  • If the same player then transfers from SC to Alabama without graduating, Bama loses a roster spot and SC does not get their roster spot back. Both teams play at -1 (and WSU at +1 or +2) until eligibility is exhausted.
  • No reduction or increase for graduate transfers, provided their graduate study is in a program the original school doesn’t offer (which I think matches the current rule).
Net effect should be that the upper level programs will have fewer roster spots annually, forcing talent to the lower level schools who have extra spots. The upper schools will need to be more strategic with the portal and managing their roster, and will take fewer players through the portal.

This year, Lincoln Riley took 26 transfers at USC. They’d be playing with 44 roster spots, which is completely untenable. Teams simply would not be able to build a roster based on transfers. It would get difficult to manage a team with more than 10-12 transfers and roster reductions.

It would actually force new coaches to coach the kids there rather than walk in and tell them they need to leave.

I’d like to see coaches actually coach football and not just acquire talent and hope they win.
 
IMHO the solution is for the NCAA to reverse course somewhat and put limits on how much a student athlete can be paid for NIL. I mean crap, a couple of years ago they couldn't get ANY extra money. I dunno, $5,000, $10,000 a year max?

If they do this, then the coaches should also have a limit on salaries.

Good luck getting that defended in court though.
 
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