USC AD resigns
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It’s USC, they will hire OJ or something.
The Cozen O'Connor law firm was in the process of conducting a "outside" review of the USC athletic department, so some shit is about to hit the fan. Bohn was either donking someone in the department or let sexual harassment go, or they found serious finance or compliance issues. Honestly its USC, what did you expect. They are the squeaky clean Big-10s problem now!
USC, in my view, is a sleazy, corrupt school. It has been for years. Remember this scandal?...
A secret USC payout had a catch: Images of ex-dean using drugs had to be given up
USC entered into a secret legal settlement with the family of a young woman who had a drug-fueled relationship with the university's medical dean, Carmen Puliafito, The Times has learned.
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Careful... you're going to awaken the ghost of ScGlory....USC, in my view, is a sleazy, corrupt school. It has been for years. Remember this scandal?...
A secret USC payout had a catch: Images of ex-dean using drugs had to be given up
USC entered into a secret legal settlement with the family of a young woman who had a drug-fueled relationship with the university's medical dean, Carmen Puliafito, The Times has learned.
I had never seen or heard of this before today. Wow, wow and WOW.USC, in my view, is a sleazy, corrupt school. It has been for years. Remember this scandal?...
A secret USC payout had a catch: Images of ex-dean using drugs had to be given up
USC entered into a secret legal settlement with the family of a young woman who had a drug-fueled relationship with the university's medical dean, Carmen Puliafito, The Times has learned.
This whole story surprises me. I knew Mike at the UI. Even co-coached a Babe Ruth All Star team with him. He suffered from the type of arrogance usually found in up and coming young AD's but I didn't think he was a bad guy. I thought when he finally got the USC job he would be set for life. I guess you never know.
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agree. Marlow is a good guy. He’s my vote. . I think having a coug in the role just gives us credibility with fund raising and expectations in that job.
Don’t get this one either. Collectively Cougar athletics probably in one of their greatest periods of overall success ever. Football and basketball (men’s and women’s) both winning and competing with the best in the conference…women win first P12 title. Soccer and VBall both kicking ass. Baseball still needs work but I think trending up.
Is it frustrations with things like IPF or Beasley?
I could see maybe being indifferent on Chun but like Dickert I don’t get the hate.
Some of it, if not a lot of it, is ethnic prejudice, unfortunately.
I dont get the love. Turd was a questionable hire following Leach. Ive posted many times of why I thought he was a poor coach. Dickert, for however great a guy he is, had 0 resume.
How do you go from hiring a proven Power 5 HC to hiring a Mountain West HC and coach with zero HC experience back to back?
People will answer the phone when Moos calls. Chun? Nope.
4-5 in league play isn’t amazing. WSU football has fallen. You can add a myriad of reasons why, pray at the alter of Excuses, the outcome is still the same.
Chun is not the guy.
Time to go over a listing, comparison of both of Chun's negative and positive things that have done.
I'll start with negative.
1. Hiring Rolo.
2. Not getting the IPF, other things done in a timely way.
3. Being Slow to get the WSU collective NIL train going. It's starting to go, but way behind .
4. WSU, Schultz, Chun, could have handled the Rolo, and the Vaccine better. That said Inslee, Rolo, etc, is more to blame, as Chun has to follow, obey rules, laws, etc.
5. Not marketing WSU as fast as could have.
6. Not doing as good a job at fund raising.
7. Not getting Schultz, George, etc, to expand before media deal, etc.
Ok. There might be more, but that's pretty much it.
Ok now for what Chun has done ok, good.
1. Hiring Kyle Smith.
2. Hiring Kami.
3. Hiring Dickert.
4. Having WSU sports overall be the best collectively it's been in extremely long time.
5. Seems to be making progress towards facilities improvement like IPF, etc.
6. Getting better at Marketing WSU via things like Retiring Klay's Jersey ceremony, etc.
7. Finally getting a Wisconsin Caliber team to come to Pullman, instead of buying out and not coming to Pullman.
8. Starting to get the NIL Train really going, as there have been a number of $100k NIL deals done lately for WSU players.
9. Being rated as one of the best AD's in the WEST by his NATIONAL ASSOCIATES.
10.. Testifying to Congress and representing WSU well as a ambassador, about NIL, tampering, other issues.
11. Chun is better then most AD's in PAC 12, as a LOT of PAC 12 AD's are getting replaced, FIRED, have been INCOMPETANT.
12. Chun has been, is better then Sterk, Dorkson, etc, and is only bested by Bill Moos, Elson Floyd.
13. Chun was behind Gesa funding, Sponsoring, and getting Martin Stadium officially renamed Gesa Field, something Bill Moos, and Elson Floyd, and 85+ years weren't able to do, as Martin Stadium was named Martin Stadium for DECADES, where other WSU AD's, Prez's FAILED MISERABLY to get Martin Stadium name change to Gesa Field, and sponsored, funded, etc.
The fact is that Chun has done BOTH GOOD and Bad, and more good then bad, and not only is one the best AD's in the PAC 12, but is recognized as such NATIONALLY, and has done better then all but Elson Floyd, Bill Moos, etc.
We had posters on here literally referring to him as Charlie Chun and you “doubt” that ethnic prejudice is involved.
Go down the list of our athletic programs and tell me which ones are performing poorly compared to their historical averages. Then factor in the extraneous circumstances that Chun had to navigate through in the past 3-5 years. Leach’s departure, COVID, Rolo’s situation, NIL, the P12 issues.
His football hires, middling as they may seem, didn’t exactly come on board during the easiest of times. Every other program outside of baseball have been highly competitive.
Rolo was a bad hire looking back now, but coaches who are successful at that level get hired by programs like WSU all the time so not sure why that’s a surprise. Often times it works well. Dickert didn’t have zero HC experience. He took over as interim HC in a terrible situation and did about as well as anyone could have expected. He earned the opportunity to keep continuity going in the program and it was a very WSU friendly deal…try it before you buy it. Way too early to write him off (I know 702 yards incoming)
By the way hiring experienced P5 coaches doesn’t always work out. Ty Willingham, Charlie Weiss, Mario Christobol, Willie Taggert…
Don't equate unfair criticism with racial prejudice. The people who are critical of Chun are choosing to ignore the fact that he hired on to a pending financial shit sandwich, left by a one trick pony, basically incompetent, predecessor. a guy who was forced out at Oregon and Nebraska. Anyone who has to make tough financial decisions will have detractors, and that has nothing to do ethnic background. The proof is the fact that these same people think President Floyd walked on water, another big idea, but short on practical detail, guy.
I think the contrast between Moos and Chun is a big part of it. Moos gets put on a pedestal with some alum because he went and got Leach…a bold move he deserved a helluva lot of credit for. That said a lot of flaws you pointed out. Moos was also the glad handing chummy local guy, which a lot of folks prefer.
No AD is going to be perfect. It’s a tough job at WSU with the resource constraints. People have vastly different expectations of what’s reasonable. Why can’t we expand the stadium. Why can’t we make Beasley a state of the art college arena. Why can’t we serve beer in the stadium (two hands up right here).
To me at WSU if your programs as a whole are winning and competing at a high level, you’re making reasonable progress on projects that are feasible with resources available, and expanding donor base and $$ you are doing your job, which IMO Chun is.
You should change your handle to WokeCougPatrol. Yeah, I'm the one who called him Charlie Chun. So F-ing what. It was tongue in cheek. My only prejudice about Chun is his hideous haircut. I just don't think he's that great. So there.
When you hire replacements, you usually overemphasize the weaknesses of the predecessor. Chun was brought in as a fiscal manager, something that Moos sucked at. At WSU, as an AD, you need to be good at both vision and bean counting. So we now have a bean counter.
Moos' first job was to recognize Larry Scott as the huckster and fraud he was, and to have us situated accordingly. Instead, he went "all in" on Scott as the "real deal," built lavishly, assuming we could attract a "Hollywood" type, in recruiting and donor base. He built it, and like Ark Encounter, no one came. Now in the portal/NIL era, we have big debts and don't have the cash to compete. That isn't Chun or Dickert's fault.
That’s a good take. Moos is the type of man’s man that most football fan bases, especially rural ones like ours, loves. I liked him too as a person. He was friendly, he’s a Coug, he represented WSU well publicly.
Chun is a polar opposite. He’s nerdy (by football fan standards). He’s Asian American, and while the vast majority of our alumni don’t have any issues with Asian Americans, I think a swath of them secretly don’t like him being the face of our Athletic Department.
Dissect the original comment and the recent response to this thread that LC made. “I called him Charlie Chun and made fun of his hideous haircut. So what?” Sadly, a lot of people think like that.
Very true that many people think like that - where I live there are a number of Japanese orchardists and their descendants who faced decades of resentment after they returned from WWII internment camps and fighting in Europe. Some people do pass along shitty attitudes against Japanese/Asian Americans like family heirlooms.
His haircut is hideous. And I like Asians, especially the women. One of my gal pals is Japanese.
So get off your "racism" high horse. And yeah, I don't like Chun as the face of Athletics. And I knew Slick Rick Dickson, Jim Sterk and Bill Moos. They all had their faults, but they projected well.
It’s not something unique to Americans. People just have images and expectations for “types” of people in specific careers.
I’m a capital equipment rep in the medical/dental field, and I’m Italian American with a long last name with a lot of vowels. Just this weekend I had a southeast Asian doctor, who was super friendly and meant no harm, say to me after my presentation “do you sell pizzas too?” I thought it was funny. My Grandfather would have thought otherwise.
Perhaps you should ask your Japanese friend if she finds “Charlie Chung” funny.
Nice to cherry pick all the coaches that did a poor job and ignore the coaches that did well.
Being an interim coach is not equal to being a HC.
Dick had 0 resume for a Pac 10 head job. WSU wanted cheap, they got it.
Oh I agree it’s absolutely not unique to America - it’s everywhere. The Zoomers would call what he said to you a “micro aggression” ( which I find ridiculous) but as a Gen X-er if something like that was directed at me I wouldn’t give it a 2nd thought - I would just take it as someone trying to be amusing and friendly. Some things that are truly meant in an innocent way are taken as an offense.
Here’s a very overt non-innocent example from an engineering undergrad lab class I had at WSU where 2 Japanese students were harassing a Vietnamese student to the point of tears by telling him he was inferior and stupid. That all stopped when a half Mexican classmate who’d spent his childhood having to prove himself by beating the crap out of white kids over his heritage in rural eastern Washington caught wind and put an end to it.
USC, in my view, is a sleazy, corrupt school. It has been for years. Remember this scandal?...
A secret USC payout had a catch: Images of ex-dean using drugs had to be given up
USC entered into a secret legal settlement with the family of a young woman who had a drug-fueled relationship with the university's medical dean, Carmen Puliafito, The Times has learned.
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Slick Rick DORKSON, Dickson, Jim Sterk WERE NOT GOOD, AND WERE TERRIBLE.
Jim Sterk hired Paul Wulf.
With the endorsement of none other than Bill Moos. Let’s not forget that important detail though Moos tried to downplay it years later when asked about it.
Your logic is fair in wanting big boys from big time schools... us paying big time money to get a big time program. We are talking players and coaches.
Dickert was a "quick fix" after drama time. I don't agree with you on Rolo, but your logic is sound.
Again... pass judgement on Dickert after this season.
Chun does somethings right, but somethings wrong. To me... cut the cord because he's not making GIANT moves and WSU will fall lower unless we do.
Louder on facilities... louder on coaches... louder on what businesses and alumni we are going after.
I don't think Chun understands that we need money/names/facilities to make us BIG TIME. He wants our "good-average" football & basketball to do it for us. Ain't likely to pan out.
Only halfway through but this is mind blowing and disgusting - remember the story well when it played out but didn’t know the level of detail presented here.
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