USC and Todd McNair

[Coug1990]

I saw a tweet from Britton on the front page linking this article. Some emails that the NCAA have been fighting in court to keep from coming to light, were released per a judges orders. In reading this article, it says what I have been saying on here for years, Todd McNair and USC were railroaded.

Look at how quickly the NCAA has investigated Ohio State, Auburn, etc., with investigations lasting days or weeks. The NCAA investigated USC over four years. Yet, all it could come up with is Reggie Bush and his parents took money. They had information that the information that the two convicted felon witnesses were either inconsistent or lies. Yet, the NCAA believed them over Coach McNair and called him terrible things. If you read the report back then, the NCAA had no direct or even indirect information that Coach McNair knew. They just chose to believe a convicted felon.

Even some on the committee were not sure about the allegations against Coach McNair. I hope McNair wins big when this is all said and done.



This post was edited on 3/25 12:13 PM by Coug1990

NCAA is going to get their butts kicked

 

[dgibbons]

If you royally piss off the investigators, which USC did, then you get railroaded.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by dgibbons:
If you royally piss off the investigators, which USC did, then you get railroaded.

By pissing off the investigators, you mean that they did not admit all the things that the NCAA wanted them to admit. It didn't matter that they were false allegations.

 

[SCglory]

I finally made my way through a bunch of them. Wow. Worse than I had thought. I think even a first year law student could prove overwhelming bias and prejudicial misconduct and malice against 3 members of the COI, and downright stupidity of 2 more. What's weird is that it's clear that when they wrote these they never thought the emails would come to light. I don't pretend to know what will happen to the ncaa as far as penalties/fines, but it's not going to turn out well for them.

 

[dgibbons]

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by dgibbons:
If you royally piss off the investigators, which USC did, then you get railroaded.

By pissing off the investigators, you mean that they did not admit all the things that the NCAA wanted them to admit. It didn't matter that they were false allegations.

What you're seeing is the deliberation process by the finders of fact. Some people considered the case very strong. Others did not. You're also seeing that USC flat out pissed off a lot of people on the committee.

In a courtroom setting, the jurors did not explain why they chose to believe certain witnesses over others, or why they liked or didn't like the persons before them. The fact that the Miami AD was on the infractions committee is just a byproduct of how the system works (and yes he looks incredibly stupid). A committee of member institutions adjudicates matters against another member institution.

 

[Geoduck12]

Those finders of fact have been incredibly inconsistent from the whitewash of Woodens UCLA teams, to the vendetta against Jim Valvano at NC St, to USC, to Miami, to the sloppy work at Penn St, to the "gambling " charge against Neuheisel, to the systemic academic fraud at UNC. Please, if it's ur team it's unfair if it's a team or person u don't like it is fair. I hope McNair gets his pound of flesh.

 

[SCglory]

Like Ted Miller said, if the 500 released emails are this bad, how bad are the 200 more emails the ncaa withheld? Those must be horrible. McNair's case just went from good to airtight, as it's inconceivable that the 200 emails would somehow HELP the ncaa's case. They're in a world of hurt

 

[dgibbons]

Originally posted by SCglory:
Like Ted Miller said, if the 500 released emails are this bad, how bad are the 200 more emails the ncaa withheld? Those must be horrible. McNair's case just went from good to airtight, as it's inconceivable that the 200 emails would somehow HELP the ncaa's case. They're in a world of hurt

In terms of McNair's case against the NCAA, maybe. In terms of the penalties the infractions committee imposed against USC, doesn't matter one bit.

 

[SCglory]

Wrong. As Miller and other analysts have already said, the ncaa's case against SC was linked to their case against McNair; in fact the strength of the latter case was the foundation for the severity of the penalties in the former. Their own documents use McNair as justification repeatedly. That's one of the reasons they did not want the emails to get out, and that is surely why they don't EVER want to release the remaining 200. If they had come back with penalties against SC that were less severe, they would not have needed such justification; but it's too late for that. They justified their severity on the alleged culpability and immorality of McNair--his life, his actions, and his character. If this goes to trial, and it is found that their finding was malicious and made of whole cloth, SC can clobber them. At will.

This post was edited on 3/27 8:33 AM by SCglory

 

[dgibbons]

Originally posted by Geoduck12:
Those finders of fact have been incredibly inconsistent from the whitewash of Woodens UCLA teams, to the vendetta against Jim Valvano at NC St, to USC, to Miami, to the sloppy work at Penn St, to the "gambling " charge against Neuheisel, to the systemic academic fraud at UNC. Please, if it's ur team it's unfair if it's a team or person u don't like it is fair. I hope McNair gets his pound of flesh.

Remember that part of the infractions case against USC had to do with Tim Floyd buying OJ Mayo's services for a year. USC admitted that. It just so happened to coincide with the Reggie Bush infractions case. Again, you're seeing the deliberation process played out through email exchanges. Some people on the committee felt the infractions case was stronger than others.

And the next time that the NCAA treats member institutions equally, it will be the first time. Cal Poly SLO is probably looking at the death penalty for allowing a student trainer to eat for free at the training table twice in one semester.

 

[SCglory]

You need to read the emails. About 85% of their case against SC was built using McNair as the foundational poster boy. If that disappears, the ncaa is left naked