Yes the ball was on the ground, then he had it clearly in his hand with a knee on the ground when Tago went head to head.
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Watching replay....Tago penalty
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So why did the officials bother to blow the whistle at all? Why do they even have a whistle to blow?
It's to signal the play is dead to those that can't see what's happening.
That is a text book helmet to helmet hit. Not sure why anyone is arguing it. We are lucky Tago not missing first half of the game.
Actually, yes it is just you.
Ok, one more time, reaallly slow just for you. The ball was fumbled, and it was on the ground at one point. The QB then picked it up and tucked it in. No confusion where the ball was. Then the QB took a knee. Still no confusion. He was down by rule - same rule since Pop Warner football. Still no confusion. Then Tago comes into the screen, no blocker in sight, no he was not blinded, yes he could clearly see that the QB had the ball secured and was on his knee. Then Tago deliberately lowers himself and blasts the QB who has enough time to try to shrink out of the way.
And none of this post has anything to do with possible targeting. It has to do with you denying that there was a penalty at all, and fabricating things to double down on your ridiculous point. "The officials didn't know where they ball was so they didn't blow the whistle". "Tago was blinded by the 300 pound blocker" "Tago tried to avoid the QB" (by going down low to hit him).
Oh enough of this. This is starting to feel like these public officials who are on tape saying things yet they deny that they said them. "But but, we here is the audio and/or video of you saying it". "No I did not say that."
They don’t have to blow the whistle. We have whistles for safety reasons, not to be a tool for players to hit anyone anywhere until they hear it. Players have a responsibility to know the status of the ball.
That’s what I said. It’s a saftey device to notify players about what has already happened. Unless we screw up, the whistle never ends the play. The play is already dead. The fact that the whistle didn’t blow is NOT a defense against a late hit.
Well, I'd think you were talking about someone from Auburn if you said "AU's QB", but that's neither here nor there.
And it absolutely matters that he held up. He probably would have been ejected had he not. They said it was specifically not targeting because the contact was not "forcible".
What is wrong with you suudy? Clearly the whistle did not get blown because the officials and Tago were all blinded by the invisible 300 pound blocker and did not know the ball wasn't loose under the QB's butt.
What do you mean he "held up" He went head to head on a guy who was on a knee. His helmet then slid off. He took a step and a half after the qb had a knee on the ground.
Looked to me like he held up at the last second, realizing the player was down. Didn't look like Tago hit him full force. The officials agreed, being that they said the contact was not "forcible", and thus not targeting.
They met helmets reaching for a ball that wasn't called dead. If he was targeting (don't care what the color man says) ....he would of hit him a great deal harder than just joining helmets. Some people need a little testosterone injections.
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FWIW, I'm convinced that dgibbons is home today with sick kids and is bored out of his mind and just trolling all of us.
The ball should never be “called dead.” At least as I read your meaning. We call this “chocolate whistles” or officially inadvertent whistles. The ball is already dead and the whist just acknowledges that fact. The whistle is irrelevant in this play.
Then again I heard through the grapevine you weren't a very good ref : )
Yes it is. The ball is live until the whistle blows it dead. This is nothing more than how they practice going after balls for turnovers.
AND the fact that the helmet contact was benign....shouldn't offend you.
Please with the appeal to authority. They don't even know what a catch these days. Let them figure that out and get back to us with their observations.
The ball is not live until the whistle blows.
If Tago's hit would've jarred the ball loose, would it have been a fumble since the whistle hadn't blown?
No it’s college. No fumble. The play was dead when his knee touched the turf with possession of the ball. The whistle is irrelevant.
God why did I get into this.
Sounds good to me.
In gridiron football, a dead ball is a condition that occurs between football plays, after one of the following has occurred:
- The player with the ball runs out of bounds
- The player with the ball is downed, either by being tackled to the ground or by deliberately downing him/herself ("taking a knee")
- A forward pass touches the ground or travels out of bounds without being caught (incomplete pass)
- Any kick travels out of bounds and/or hits the goal post or crossbar in flight
- The ball is fumbled out of bounds
- A scoring play occurs
- A kickoff or free kick is recovered by the kicking team
- In certain situations, depending on specific league rules, following a punt, for example if the punt enters the end zone without being touched (an automatic touchback), the punt is successfully fair caught, or downed by the kicking team before being touched by the receivers
A live ball is any ball that is active in the field of play. The ball is considered live from the moment the center snaps the ball to the point where an official signals the play dead.
That's all I know. No whistle.....live ball. Don't complain we bumped helmets trying to maintain or get the ball out. They practice this drill endlessly in practice...so why are people crying about this tiny play and not when Minshew gets drilled at full speed? I don't know why there's so many other fans arguing about this. Jump on the uscuck website and tell them. Some people hate our fans.
https://www.ruletool.info/ncaa-rule-4-ball-in-play-dead-ball-out-of-bounds/
You might want to read Articles 2 and 3 of the above link. Two important statements in those rules:
In Article 2......"A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules, or when an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently), or otherwise signals the ball dead."
In Article 3......."A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead:"
These sentences are from the official NCAA rules. Note that neither sentence says, "A live ball becomes dead ONLY WHEN an official sounds his whistle or declares it dead.". Contrary to what you think, the whistle is only one way that a play ends and the ball goes from being a live ball to a dead ball. It is the official designation that a play is over, but it isn't he only way that a ball becomes dead. Feel free to peruse the rules and provide evidence to the contrary.
I do agree with you that it was the right call to not punish Tago with targeting though.
Are you really arguing that was a live ball?
This has nothing to do with being a Coug at this point. It has to do with common sense.
You realize that you just argued with yourself, right?
Fro: The player with the ball takes a knee. Dead Ball.
Fro: The ball is live until the official signals the play dead.
So, which is it 'ol Fro?
Living room conversation overheard tonight:
Dad: Son I think you should commit to the Cougs.
Son: But Dad, these fans are a bunch of loons. If one of them says the sun rises in the East, 5 others will argue that it does not on a rainy day or when they slept in past sunrise.
Dad: Son, it's a Coug thing, you don't understand. Go there and be enlightened.
Son: OK - besides, I kind of like pirates. And anthills full of students. Including lots of pretty coeds.
Dad: Great. And here are 1,000 condoms. To remind you to beat USC, and not to spawn any loon Cougs that will come visit and argue about whether the sky is blue.[/QUOTE]
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I guess SC Glory isn't on here to make your arguments for you? The targeting that you want to argue for against your player still stands. Defensive players practice til the whistle sounds. Whatever crap is contained in paragraph 2....I don't care to read.
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I guess SC Glory isn't on here to make your arguments for you? The targeting that you want to argue for against your player still stands. Defensive players practice til the whistle sounds. Whatever crap is contained in paragraph 2....I don't care to read.[/QUOTE]
Kurt - having a functional brain and all, you could not help but chime in.
Fro, now settle down. I was not arguing for targeting. I was just, for the 35th time, succumbing to the urge to set you "it ain't down until I say so" folks straight.
Let's drop this - gawd I just watched it AGAIN on Pac-12 North - and find something agreeable tomorrow.
I guess SC Glory isn't on here to make your arguments for you? The targeting that you want to argue for against your player still stands. Defensive players practice til the whistle sounds. Whatever crap is contained in paragraph 2....I don't care to read.[/QUOTE]
Kurt - having a functional brain and all, you could not help but chime in.
Fro, now settle down. I was not arguing for targeting. I was just, for the 35th time, succumbing to the urge to set you "it ain't down until I say so" folks straight.
Let's drop this - gawd I just watched it AGAIN on Pac-12 North - and find something agreeable tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Sorry Loyal, but that 2 mph bump on their QB doesn't amount to what Minshew got and there's two interpretations to what the rule is and defensive players only know one. It's the officials who need to blow the whistle ......not SC fans
Kurt - having a functional brain and all, you could not help but chime in.
Fro, now settle down. I was not arguing for targeting. I was just, for the 35th time, succumbing to the urge to set you "it ain't down until I say so" folks straight.
Let's drop this - gawd I just watched it AGAIN on Pac-12 North - and find something agreeable tomorrow.
[/QUOTE]Sorry Loyal, but that 2 mph bump on their QB doesn't amount to what Minshew got and there's two interpretations to what the rule is and defensive players only know one. It's the officials who need to blow the whistle ......not SC fans
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https://sports.yahoo.com/yahoo-spor...led-targeting-call-pac-12-game-040318946.html
For all the armchair analysts that didn't think that this was a foul.........apparently we were fortunate to not get called for targeting.....but it might have led to the officials NOT calling targeting on Porter Gustin later in the game.
For all the armchair analysts that didn't think that this was a foul.........apparently we were fortunate to not get called for targeting.....but it might have led to the officials NOT calling targeting on Porter Gustin later in the game.
Pretty damning stuff. My biggest takeaway is that Larry Scott is a proven, public liar. Enough to be summarily dismissed in some jobs.
And watching the replays another 20 times, I think both non-calls were equally obvious. Tago clearly took 2-3 steps and lowered his head to smash a clealry down QB. If the QB has time to turn out of the way to avoid the oncoming hit, the defender has time to hold up. Instead he lowers his head.
Same on the USC hit but in reverse. Gustin clearly and deliberately elevates to hit Minshew in the head. Even if Minshew still had the ball that is targeting. I still think if Minshew had stayed down this woudl have been called. Although after the first non-call, that would have been a tough one to justify. To USC fans at least, not to the rest of the world. At least Tago got a penalty. I would have gladly settled for roughing the passer on USC.
I think everyone here agrees that Gustin should have been called for a penalty has well. On the Tago hit, because I'm a Coug and biased towards the intentions of a fellow coug, I'm willing to assume that Tago wasn't lowering his head to target Daniels as much as he was lowering himself to go after what he perceived as a loose ball. I don't believe that he was "launching" at Daniels in any way, which is the opposite of the cheap shot that Gustin delivered. I still believe that Tago needed to be smarter and realize that a kneeling QB is not a guy you want to hit in an attempt to go after a loose ball.
So, the officials on the field, the replay officials, Larry Scott after the fact, AND apparently Woodie Dixon (whomever the hell that is) ALL missed the Gustin targeting call. Got it.
Any other layers of morons the Pac12 wants to incorporate into this?
Any other layers of morons the Pac12 wants to incorporate into this?
I’m fine with Tago getting a penalty here. What people are not taking into account is that a. Your watching this is slow motion. B. The USC QBs fumbled, picked up the ball, and awkwardly took a knee in a way that literally NOBODY ever does unless you are in victory formation. It was bizarre and to a reasonable person Tago may have thought the ball was still loose. Again the dude is going full speed trying to make a play. C. He CLEARLY tries to pull up once he realizes that the ball is secured and the QB is on a knee. Not only does he pull up but he pretty clearly puts his head to the side to minimize contact. With his helmet. Is it a targeting by letter of the law? I guess but geesus let’s apply some common sense too!
Gustin deserved a PF, Targeting, and suspension. It was late it was malicious and it was done with intent to injure. And yes if Tago did the same thing I would say the same.
:Arry Curley and Mo...If Dixon didn't know
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Larry Curley and Mo...If Dixon didn't know then he clearly doesn't know his job. Which isn't too surprising. I would be much better with "we screwed up"
After watching Borghi get body slammed, well after the whistle, the week prior without a flag, I don't think Tago deserved anything.
