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Where would WSU be if Wulff had just finished his 7th year?

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Even three years after his firing, there remains a sizable contingent of WSU supporters who think the program would be no worse off if Paul Wulff was still running the show.

Actually heard this over and over from a number of Cougs since Thanksgiving weekend.

Mike Leach's resume in Pullman is what it is: 7-20 in Pac-12 play ... a .1-2 record in the Apple Cup ... a .500 regular-season capped by a inexplicable loss in the New Mexico Bowl in 2013.

So a question: How would the Cougs have fared the past three years with CPW at the helm?

Could Wulff have won 25 percent of his conference games, made it to a minor bowl, gotten his second victory over Washington and "finished" better than 12th/10th/12th in the Pac-12 recruiting rankings by Rivals.com?

In hindsight, was CPW's tenure maybe not as bad as some have made it out to be?
 
9-40 does not lie.

Not only did he fail to bring in the needed talent, the talent he did have was poorly coached. There's more than on game in which defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory.

Oh, and ending the careers of 3 quarterbacks.

That is all.
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
Even three years after his firing, there remains a sizable contingent of WSU supporters who think the program would be no worse off if Paul Wulff was still running the show.

Actually heard this over and over from a number of Cougs since Thanksgiving weekend.

Mike Leach's resume in Pullman is what it is: 7-20 in Pac-12 play ... a .1-2 record in the Apple Cup ... a .500 regular-season capped by a inexplicable loss in the New Mexico Bowl in 2013.

So a question: How would the Cougs have fared the past three years with CPW at the helm?

Could Wulff have won 25 percent of his conference games, made it to a minor bowl, gotten his second victory over Washington and "finished" better than 12th/10th/12th in the Pac-12 recruiting rankings by Rivals.com?

In hindsight, was CPW's tenure maybe not as bad as some have made it out to be?
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Oh, man. OK... first of all, welcome to WazzuWatch.com, PeteTheChop. Pleasure to have you here. This thread, however, has the potential to be explosive. Tread lightly please, people.
 
LOL, thanks for the heads up Mr. Ransford.

It's just that there remains a segment of WSU fans who seem convinced Wulff could've got the program to its current levels of success — or even more — if given enough time.

Loyalty to a former Coug, maybe?





This post was edited on 12/10 4:11 PM by PeteTheChop
 
We were getting blasted by 60 points. did it happen this year NO.
Are we getting talent YES

Leach is a far better coach and so is his staff.
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
LOL, thanks for the heads up Mr. Ransford.

It's just that there remains a segment of WSU fans who seem convinced Wulff could've got the program to its current levels of success - or even more - if given enough time.

Loyalty to a former Coug, maybe?
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Yeah, something like that.
 
The Rose Bowl.! I was one of the posters who said that Wulff should be given enough time. Well he had enough time and even 7 more years would have been more of the same. Leach will get it done starting next year with his second Bowl game. The PAC 12 's coaching ranks have improved so much that Wulff may not have won one more PAC 12 game if given 7 years.
 
lol, I thought about typing a response and realized I would probably lose 2 hours of my night. Despite what the record shows, which in the end is what really matters, we have gotten so much better over the past 3 years it's not even funny. Pretty confident we are finally building on some depth and talent, and that will show in the next couple of seasons. The first couple seasons however only really show progress in non tangible ways unless you really keep up with the program. (Besides our bowl/last season). With Wulff the box score would have been the same and record within reach, but the losses I suspect would have been much worse, and competition level would have been much worse as well. ( no close games with cal, oregon, and asu for a bit, no utah comeback) To sum it up the last three years with Wulff would be relatively similar, but take last year down to 4ish wins and make the close losses blowouts and the comebacks impossible. Rebuilds are ugly and non linear, with Leach we are moving in a good direction...with Wulff I suspect we would having teams kneel before halftime.
 
Well, there would be at least 3 more bombs dropped at a recruits house during or after dinner.
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For me, all you have to do is look at the talent coming in. It's hard to compete with other Pac-12 schools when your players lack the physical tools.

We're loosing still so I get the frustration but to just compare the records of the two coaches is a mistake. Wulff may have gotten us a similar win loss margin over the last 3 years but we'd be poised for more of the same. With Leach I feel we're poised for bigger things. We'll see if we can take advantage and start winning but at least we have a chance.
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
Bombs?
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Paul Wulff, while visiting former Washington State cornerback Spencer Waseem in Florida, used his bathroom to take a shit after eating the family gumbo recipe.


This post was edited on 12/11 11:15 AM by Britton Ransford
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
Bombs?

This post was edited on 12/10 7:32 PM by PeteTheChop
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Wulff was visiting a recruit at the recruits home. Wulff excused himself and went to the bathroom. Let's just say that the bathroom didn't smell very good afterward. The recruit (I forget who it was) said something like it was great that he felt comfortable enough to do that in his home.
 
Maybe if was Wulff's version of a coffee cup full of money, trying to get an edge- "Now, we can't give you cash... But what if I busted your toilet rippin a monster dook?"
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
Amazing how that incident continues to linger.
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Wulff is known for three things: Taking a shit at a recruits house , a ridiculous dance after beating the huskies and getting caught picking his nose on TV. The Triple Crown.
 
I've also read Wulff cleaned up Bill Doba's mess, recruited well and was the most loyal Coug of them all.

I guess there are two schools of thought on his tenure.
 
Gib, I was going to say Big Sky. So Mountain West is not a joke.

After 7 years of CPW we would have had a few PAC players, a lot of Mountain West players, and several starters or first guys off the bench who were bubble Big Sky kids.

And the odor of pot in the locker room and weight room would have been nauseating.
 
Originally posted by Britton Ransford:

Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
Bombs?
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Paul Wulff, while visiting former Washington State cornerback Spencer Waseem in Florida, used his bathroom to take a shit after eating the family gumbo recipe.
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So, we can now refer to 6-and-40 as the GUMBO era?
 
Originally posted by Coug1990:
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
Amazing how that incident continues to linger.
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Wulff is known for three things: Taking a shit at a recruits house , a ridiculous dance after beating the huskies and getting caught picking his nose on TV. The Triple Crown.
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Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
I've also read Wulff cleaned up Bill Doba's mess, recruited well and was the most loyal Coug of them all.

I guess there are two schools of thought on his tenure.
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But only one set of facts. His first two recruiting classes were absolute disasters, and most of those in his 2010 and 2011 classes vanished. He signed seven offensive linemen in four years. Yes, seven.
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
I've also read Wulff cleaned up Bill Doba's mess, recruited well and was the most loyal Coug of them all.

I guess there are two schools of thought on his tenure.
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I am sure you have read that. All that was put out by Paul Wulff himself to his friends. He wasn't much good at anything except telling his friends how hard he had it. Nothing was ever his fault. EWU gets put on probation as he left for WSU. It is the two previous regimes fault despite he was head man for nine years. WSU sucks. Not his fault. Loyal? When he was let go, he changed his status school to EWU.

You are correct, there are two schools of thought. The wrong one and the right one. The wrong one is also the reason why he only lasted one year as OC at Southern Florida.
 
If Wulff had just finished his 7th year, obviously, we'd be winning... or why would his contract have been extended??.
 
"Hey coach...I know you're busy...but would you mind autographing my plunger?" :)

This post was edited on 12/11 8:59 AM by spongebob11
 
Paul Wulff's conference win total his last seasons at WSU was 0-1-2, so the program was trending in the right direction.

Slowly for sure, but it was on the uptick nevertheless.

From what some have said here, Wulff didn't take the high road on his departure - and neither did some of his supporters like Jim Walden. Getting fired is part of being a college football coach (as are lucrative buyouts), so no reason for them to whine about it.

Again, just wondering if CPW could've gotten WSU's program to where it is today and maybe even developed into the right man for the job?

I know there are at least some WSU fans who believe as much to this day.
 
At this point it doesn't really matter. The institution of WSU Cougar football has moved on. Coaches come and go for a variety of reasons. No matter what, we press on.
This post was edited on 12/11 9:59 AM by chinookpirate
 
Originally posted by BiggsCoug:

Originally posted by Coug Brand:
The biggest turds tend to do that.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I actually like Paul Wulff.
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Flush the turds!
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You might consider the firing of CPW as a courtesy flush.
 
No it wasn't trending in the right direction that is total and complete BS.

- Not 1 of his classes not 1 were in the top half (60+) in the nation. We had no offensive line.

- How do you think the legendary 2-10 1-11, 2-10 Wulff would have recruited against Rich Rod, Mora, Graham, Sark etc.

- Would Wulff have won against USC in their own house? Would he have comeback against Utah down 21 points?

- Would we have any NCAA records besides most consecutive nose picks under Wulff

- If he is so good how come his offense at USF was at the bottom of the league and he was fired after 1 year.

- The man had 4 years and ZERO bowl trips. Leach had us there in 2.

- With Leach there is clear hope. Hope that we can comeback, that we can win, that we can go to a bowl. WIth Wulff there was no hope. There was regression, and a complete burning of the program to the ground.
 
Originally posted by PeteTheChop:
I've also read Wulff cleaned up Bill Doba's mess, recruited well and was the most loyal Coug of them all.

I guess there are two schools of thought on his tenure.
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I'm sure you've read that plenty of times. That doesn't make it true.

Look through his classes and decide for yourself.

Recruiting for new coaches works on a bell curve. A new coach is able to come in and sell "turnaround" and playing time early in their tenure. Those sales pitches seem to work for about 2 or 3 recruiting classes.

If you look at Wulff's classes, 2010 was unquestionably his best class. But, that was followed by a pretty poor '11 class and his '12 class was shaping up to be one of his worst as the bloom was completely of f the rose by that point.

So, even a minor uptick in wins, heck even a minor bowl game in 2012, and you're still looking at very poor '11, '12 & '13 recruiting classes moving forward from there.
 
And I will say this.

If you are willing to give Wulff 7 years for 5 wins over 3 seasons 2-10. 1-11. 2-10

Then you should give Leach 16 years for 12 wins over 3 seasons.

And if you don't want to then you are pretty hypocritical in your thinking,




This post was edited on 12/11 10:57 AM by Cougatron
 
Originally posted by chinookpirate:
Originally posted by longtimecoug:
wulff would never have had a winning season, ever
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then why would Moos extend his contract????
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Obviously to appease members of the mighty $600,000 club (and to keep Wulff's wife from coming to his office to do hubby's battles).
 
So Wulff's biggest issue was consistently recruiting at a Pac-12 level moreso than player development, game-planning, discipline, public relations, etc.? That's interesting.

The folks here - and there are plenty of them - make a lot of good points as to why Wulff wasn't the guy to return WSU Football to the upper echelon of the conference.

Are they any Wulff supporters posting here who can explain why he could've gotten it done with a little more time?

Like to hear from them, too, about why CPW came up a littls short at the end of the day.
 
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