WSU wins 8 if they play in the SEC

[BiggsCoug]

I've seen enough. Ole Miss rolled, Miss State rolled, LSU beat, A&M has student assistant cheap shotting kids on the sideline, thankgoodness Arkansas had only 8 league games and got to a bowl with their 2 league wins... otherwise they're at home this year. Auburn has Wisconsin tomorrow and Bama has Ohio State... is there any reason to believe either of those teams win? Bama got beat by Ole Miss, supposedly one of if not the best defense in the nation, and now they're gonna play Ohio State that just put up 59???

Every PAC 12 school goes to a bowl game if they play in the SEC. Shoot, the way it's going, the ACC is kicking their arse all over the South.

ESPN might wanna rethink who they've gotten in bed with and look West.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I've seen enough. Ole Miss rolled, Miss State rolled, LSU beat, A&M has student assistant cheap shotting kids on the sideline, thankgoodness Arkansas had only 8 league games and got to a bowl with their 2 league wins... otherwise they're at home this year. Auburn has Wisconsin tomorrow and Bama has Ohio State... is there any reason to believe either of those teams win? Bama got beat by Ole Miss, supposedly one of if not the best defense in the nation, and now they're gonna play Ohio State that just put up 59???

Every PAC 12 school goes to a bowl game if they play in the SEC. Shoot, the way it's going, the ACC is kicking their arse all over the South.

ESPN might wanna rethink who they've gotten in bed with and look West.

I heard Skip Bayless a week ago saying that the top four teams in the SEC were also the four best teams in college football, better than the Oregon's, FSU's, OSU's, TCU's and the Baylor's. The SEC drops to 4-3 now with at least three more games left. The SEC has been over rated all year and also for years.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Amen

 

[Brent H.]

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I've seen enough. Ole Miss rolled, Miss State rolled, LSU beat, A&M has student assistant cheap shotting kids on the sideline, thankgoodness Arkansas had only 8 league games and got to a bowl with their 2 league wins... otherwise they're at home this year. Auburn has Wisconsin tomorrow and Bama has Ohio State... is there any reason to believe either of those teams win? Bama got beat by Ole Miss, supposedly one of if not the best defense in the nation, and now they're gonna play Ohio State that just put up 59???

Every PAC 12 school goes to a bowl game if they play in the SEC. Shoot, the way it's going, the ACC is kicking their arse all over the South.

ESPN might wanna rethink who they've gotten in bed with and look West.

Playing 9 league games and scheduling games against schools like Rutger is so freaking stupid for us. If we play Portland State, Idaho, San Jose State, Toledo and then squeak two wins and get to a bowl that'll be great. But we play two teams in non con and at a MWC team and then have to play ASU, UW, Oregon, Stanford, UA, Utah, USC as well. Joy. Pac-12 is revenue sharing, you would think that Scott would think more team in bowl games, more money for the conference. And crap, schools like us need to play in the Detroit Bowl, we need the damn practices. It's so damn stupid. MSU won 10 games this year, 6 came against Kentucky, Vandy, UAB, UT Martin, South Alabama and Southern Miss. Real impressive.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Go 2-6 in league, 4-0 in lousy non conference games, have the media and fans say it's cause you play in such a hard league... Go to bowl game. SEC has made a joke of college football and dumb fans bought it.

If a school from your league wins a title it doesn't mean the worst 5 teams in your league are good. They still suck. Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, and earn near every other team in the SEC.

The ACC, widely regarded as the worst league in the BCS is taking turns on the SEC.

 

[cr8zyncalif]

Yes, the SEC is down this year. Hard to draw any other conclusion from the bowl results thus far.

But Arkansas is a pretty good example of a mid level SEC team against a mid level B12 team, and that made the SEC look good while the B12 looked bad (not unusual for Texas recently; they do less with more than any team in the BCS).

I think you have to conclude that the ACC is better than usual this year. No question about that.

And yes, this year a team with 4 cupcake non-conference wins and 2 or 3 SEC wins did not have to be a very good team to become bowl eligible. And the state of Mississippi only really looked good when playing other SEC teams.

The SEC is a very good conference. But the myth of their invincibility has taken some hits this year. Many will consider it to be an aberration. But if they have another bowl season failure next year, people will begin to think that the Emperor is missing some clothing.

 

[Coug90]

I'm not sure I'm willing to conclude the ACC is that much better. I think Oregons gonna run FSU out of the Rose Bowl.

 

[BiggsCoug]

2-6 in league play is mid level? If they played 9 league games, like a conference touting itself as the best should, they'd have been 2-7 in league play and staying home. If you can only win 2 league games against those schools, are you really mid level? Or even good at all?

The SEC has been hiding behind their bloated records and two good teams for years. Having more tailgaters doesn't mean you play better football. The joke is up.

 

[froropmkr72]

Originally posted by Coug90:
I'm not sure I'm willing to conclude the ACC is that much better. I think Oregons gonna run FSU out of the Rose Bowl.

I hope you're right.

 

[chinookpirate]

Originally posted by Brent H.:

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I've seen enough. Ole Miss rolled, Miss State rolled, LSU beat, A&M has student assistant cheap shotting kids on the sideline, thankgoodness Arkansas had only 8 league games and got to a bowl with their 2 league wins... otherwise they're at home this year. Auburn has Wisconsin tomorrow and Bama has Ohio State... is there any reason to believe either of those teams win? Bama got beat by Ole Miss, supposedly one of if not the best defense in the nation, and now they're gonna play Ohio State that just put up 59???

Every PAC 12 school goes to a bowl game if they play in the SEC. Shoot, the way it's going, the ACC is kicking their arse all over the South.

ESPN might wanna rethink who they've gotten in bed with and look West.

Playing 9 league games and scheduling games against schools like Rutger is so freaking stupid for us. If we play Portland State, Idaho, San Jose State, Toledo and then squeak two wins and get to a bowl that'll be great. But we play two teams in non con and at a MWC team and then have to play ASU, UW, Oregon, Stanford, UA, Utah, USC as well. Joy. Pac-12 is revenue sharing, you would think that Scott would think more team in bowl games, more money for the conference. And crap, schools like us need to play in the Detroit Bowl, we need the damn practices. It's so damn stupid. MSU won 10 games this year, 6 came against Kentucky, Vandy, UAB, UT Martin, South Alabama and Southern Miss. Real impressive.

NO WAY!!! should WSU be expected to beat the #62 and/or #88 ranked teams in the country... that's just crazy talk!

Rutgers and Nevada are just two tuff

 

[CougPatrol]

The SEC is a great league. They're not having a good bowl season, but where rubber meets the road, the SEC puts MANY MORE guys in the NFL than any other conference.

The Pac-12 was a great conference this season, but we've had our stinker years too. That's the beauty of college football. Just because you have a conference littered with NFL guys doesn't mean it will translate into good team chemistry up and down the league.

WSU would NOT win 8 games if we played in the SEC this season. Come on, we lost to Rutgers and Nevada. Of these teams, who does WSU beat?

Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Texas A&M
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
Missouri
Arkansas

I can see us beating Vandy and Kentucky, and maybe hanging in there against Florida, but I could also see us losing to those teams.

We're all sick of the SEC hype, but just because they're having a down bowl season doesn't mean that WSU would be an 8 win team in that league. We wouldn't win 8 games in any power conference. Not yet.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc. 4 non league games against nobodies and 8 home games overall.

If they put so many kids int the NFL why are their teams getting beat so much in bowls now? Which is essentially non conference games.

WSU has put together some good games against Oregon, SC, Auburn.... Who is to say they'd lose to South Carolina or Anyone else in the SEC???

 

[chinookpirate]

Vandy has chosen to forgo being competitive in football.

Kentucky, Arkansas and Tennessee would ALL have been double digit favorites vs. WSU this season.

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc. 4 non league games against nobodies and 8 home games overall.

If they put so many kids int the NFL why are their teams getting beat so much in bowls now? Which is essentially non conference games.

WSU has put together some good games against Oregon, SC, Auburn.... Who is to say they'd lose to South Carolina or Anyone else in the SEC???

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc. 4 non league games against nobodies and 8 home games overall.

If they put so many kids int the NFL why are their teams getting beat so much in bowls now? Which is essentially non conference games.

WSU has put together some good games against Oregon, SC, Auburn.... Who is to say they'd lose to South Carolina or Anyone else in the SEC???

I'm not saying that the SEC is better than the Pac-12, but in my opinion, even middling teams like Arkansas and South Carolina would have punched us in the mouth and wore us out this season.

I don't think that will be the case down the road as Leach continues to build our roster, but right now, we wouldn't be able to handle SEC defensive lines week in , week out.

That's just my .02c.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by Brent H.:

Playing 9 league games and scheduling games against schools like Rutger is so freaking stupid for us. If we play Portland State, Idaho, San Jose State, Toledo and then squeak two wins and get to a bowl that'll be great.

It might be good business, but as a season ticket holder, I don't think it'd be "great."

I liked the schedule this season. Rutgers is a good mid-level power conference school, Nevada is a team we should beat 9 of 10 times, and Portland State was the cream puff.

I get what you're saying about smart scheduling, but I'm not a fan of 4 cream puffs on the out of conference schedule. Wyoming isn't a world beater by any means, but I'm at least somewhat interested in seeing them in Pullman next September. Portland State over Labor Day does absolutely NOTHING for me, and will likely be a game that I skip.

If our September schedule involves ONLY the likes of Idaho, Portland State, Southern Utah, Weber State, etc., then that's going to really suck for me. I'd to have at least one decent out of league game to look forward to in Pullman.

 

[BiggsCoug]

I don't care who WSU plays. I watch the Cougs. I wouldn't be there for the other team. I think if WSU goes to bowls you'll get the match up you wanna see.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by CougPatrol:

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Vandy, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, etc. 4 non league games against nobodies and 8 home games overall.

If they put so many kids int the NFL why are their teams getting beat so much in bowls now? Which is essentially non conference games.

WSU has put together some good games against Oregon, SC, Auburn.... Who is to say they'd lose to South Carolina or Anyone else in the SEC???

I'm not saying that the SEC is better than the Pac-12, but in my opinion, even middling teams like Arkansas and South Carolina would have punched us in the mouth and wore us out this season.

I don't think that will be the case down the road as Leach continues to build our roster, but right now, we wouldn't be able to handle SEC defensive lines week in , week out.

That's just my .02c.

You have to explain to me why the bad teams of the SEC would kick WSU's butt. You mean the 2-6 in conference Arkansas is so much better than the 2-7 WSU? WSU lost, but they went toe to toe with much better teams than Arkansas and didn't wilt. Same goes for South Carolina.

You are still writing as if the SEC is a conference that all the teams are so much better than other conferences.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I don't care who WSU plays. I watch the Cougs. I wouldn't be there for the other team. I think if WSU goes to bowls you'll get the match up you wanna see.

Yep, it is the Cougars we are all interested in watching. If an Alabama or Florida State would come to Pullman, then yeah, I would be excited to see that. But, I would rather play the cream puff schedule and skip a game or two and save money to use on the bowl at the end of the year.

 

[Brent H.]

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I don't care who WSU plays. I watch the Cougs. I wouldn't be there for the other team. I think if WSU goes to bowls you'll get the match up you wanna see.

Yep, it is the Cougars we are all interested in watching. If an Alabama or Florida State would come to Pullman, then yeah, I would be excited to see that. But, I would rather play the cream puff schedule and skip a game or two and save money to use on the bowl at the end of the year.

Our fans care more about who we play and what trips they can take in August to a Big 10 school or a SEC school then going to a bowl game.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by Brent H.:

Originally posted by Coug1990:

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
I don't care who WSU plays. I watch the Cougs. I wouldn't be there for the other team. I think if WSU goes to bowls you'll get the match up you wanna see.

Yep, it is the Cougars we are all interested in watching. If an Alabama or Florida State would come to Pullman, then yeah, I would be excited to see that. But, I would rather play the cream puff schedule and skip a game or two and save money to use on the bowl at the end of the year.

Our fans care more about who we play and what trips they can take in August to a Big 10 school or a SEC school then going to a bowl game.

Yeah, some are like that. Strange.

 

[dgibbons]

And would have won the ACC!

!

 

[Coug1990]

Re: And would have won the ACC!

Originally posted by dgibbons:
!

True! Oregon beat WSU by 7. Right now, Oregon is beating FSU by 39. WSU is better than FSU

 

[ElComanche]

People who believe that the SEC is great are the ones who have never played the game and/or never have bet extensively. They beleve the hype and the crap that the broadcasters who hype the SEC. It is a money game and they back the broadcasters money. It was like the the team getting their butt kicked chanting" We are the SEC, We are the SEC". they believe the hype contrary to getting their ass kicked.One should not think for a moment that money does not go into ranking teams prior to the season. If all teams in a certain league are ranked higher they do not lose ranking when losing to a team in their league i too enjoy watching the SEC get their asses kicked.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by ElComanche:
People who believe that the SEC is great are the ones who have never played the game and/or never have bet extensively. They beleve the hype and the crap that the broadcasters who hype the SEC. It is a money game and they back the broadcasters money. It was like the the team getting their butt kicked chanting" We are the SEC, We are the SEC". they believe the hype contrary to getting their ass kicked.One should not think for a moment that money does not go into ranking teams prior to the season. If all teams in a certain league are ranked higher they do not lose ranking when losing to a team in their league i too enjoy watching the SEC get their asses kicked.

Tonight may be the first time ever that I have rooted for OSU. Currently, the SEC is 5-4 in the bowl season.

 

[CougPatrol]

Originally posted by ElComanche:

People who believe that the SEC is great are the ones who have never played the game and/or never have bet extensively.

I stand corrected.

 

[ElComanche]

I hate to say but o told you so. A poster like CP goes to a game to cheer the scoreboard not really knowing what is really going on the field. They accept the spoon fed crap which the media is paid to dole out .

 

[chipdouglas]

While it's grim to come here and find 2 or 3 SEC d1ck-envy threads on the first page of our P12 board, it makes it better to see that there are actually quite a few rational people here, so CP, 1990, cr8zy, propers for the rationality.

It also takes a bit of the sting out to see that it's the usual cranks starting and participating in these threads; to wit, El "Is Connor Injured Yet?" Comanche and Biggs "55-0, Jersey Kids are Quitters" Coug, who are additionally making their insane prognostications (WSU wins 8 in the SEC). They are rapidly becoming the step/sponge duo of delusional conference discussions.

While this is the worst SEC performance in 10 years, here are some facts to remember about how those last 10 years have gone. As of midnight-ish on 1/2-3, assuming UW happily loses (they're down 16 with 4 minutes left), in the last 10 years:

Nobody has more bowl wins. With 58, they have 53% more than the next closest conference (B12 with 38).Nobody has a better bowl win percentage. At 63.7%, it's 6.8% higher than the next closest conference (MWC/P12 at 56.9%).Nobody has more winning bowl seasons. With 8, they have 60% more than the next closest conference (MWC/P12 with 5).Nobody has more national titles. With 7 (consecutive), they have 7x more than the next closest conference (B12/ACC with 1 each).Nobody has sent more players to the NFL, with 461 in the last 10 years, including 90 first round picks.Nobody has more wins vs. Power 5 conferences. Their 111 is 46% more than the next closest conference (B12 with 76).Nobody has a better win percentage overall vs. Power 5 conferences. Their 62.7% is 5.3% higher than the next closest conference (P12 with 57.4%).In their worst bowl performance in 10 years, the SEC (a) still has a winning bowl record this year and (b) is still 2nd among Power 5 conferences.Curious to see how Biggs (e.g.) can creatively fail to dispute any of these bullets, or why they wouldn't be valid indications of a football conference playing A-1 football.

 

[spongebob11]

Hey Chip, maybe you should bust out your crayons and turn your post into another one of your dumb ass pie charts.

This post was edited on 1/2 11:27 PM by spongebob11

 

[spongebob11]

While I agree the SEC is massively overhyped, to say we would win 8 games in any major conference is a stretch when you consider we only scored 13 against Nevada.

 

[ElComanche]

It seems like the old SEC guys are out in full force now trying vainly to protect their outdated version of what they think they know of college football. They will bring up stats of SEC against lesser opponents etc. They are spoon fed and are chips off the old block so to speak. If the cougs would have won any games in the SEC this year is a matter of speculation.. Well in an average year they did Ok against Auburn on the road and we know how Auburn did in the SEC last year. Again i think that the cougs will have a much better QB next year. Statistics are misleading and total reliance on them is an linear method of thinking.. Again he brings out the crying rag,I did not rejoice that CH got hurt. However i did rejoice in the the fact that the new OB 's teammates carried him off the field after an important victory The players know who are the best players. However chip is trying to confuse the main issue here which is that the SEC schools are vastly overrated and it was proven on the field. The National consensus now believes that the SEc was vastly overrated and now these guys do not want to accept the reality of it. They cannot wait to hear the, money focused, national media get back on the SEC bandwagon so their outdated perception of football is validated in their minds.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Sponge, when I write that wsu wins 8 if it plays in the SEC I am not saying they go 8-0 in SEC play. I'm saying they win 4 league games and 4 SEC style scheduled non league games. Wsu with 8 home games per year? Yes, I like the odds of finishing with 8 wins.

As for chip, you're a poser. When facts prove you're wrong, just call people names.

 

[spongebob11]

Gotcha.

Well, if they play Alabama's or Auburns schedule and play the South Dakota Tech's of the world every November I guess I could see it.

As a side note, Georgia will actually play people out of conference so they aren't the usual suspects in their scheduling... But I agree with your overall point.

 

[Coug1990]

Originally posted by spongebob11:
Gotcha.

Well, if they play Alabama's or Auburns schedule and play the South Dakota Tech's of the world every November I guess I could see it.

As a side note, Georgia will actually play people out of conference so they aren't the usual suspects in their scheduling... But I agree with your overall point.

I just looked at the SEC conference teams. Tennessee, TAM and South Carolina all were 3-5 in conference and made it to bowls. Arkansas was 2-6 in conference and made it to a bowl. This is where the eight conference games really helps them out. One game less wear on the teams and able to schedule one more easy team. Still, only he Big 12 and Pac 12 play nine conference games. The other three major conferences only play eight.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Playing 9 league games isn't gonna hurt the top half of the conference. They're still gonna get their wins and go to bowls. But the 7 more league losses are gonna hurt the middle and bottom of the conference. 1 game really does matter for bubble teams. And do you know who else it matters to? The top half of the league having one more BCS opponent to navigate thru on their way to the conference title game.

There is scheduling inequity already in the SEC with the cross over games. If you play in the SEC West and your crossover games are Vandy and Kentucky, your league schedule is much easier than if your crossover games were Georgia and Missouri.

I believe every league should play the same amount of league games be it 8, 9, 10 whatever.... and if you want to be eligible for the playoff... then you get zero FCS opponents on your schedule otherwise you're exempt.

Don't tell me how great or how tough your conference is and then take the easy way out every chance you get while gaming the system.

 

[chipdouglas]

Originally posted by BiggsCoug:
Sponge, when I write that wsu wins 8 if it plays in the SEC I am not saying they go 8-0 in SEC play. I'm saying they win 4 league games and 4 SEC style scheduled non league games. Wsu with 8 home games per year? Yes, I like the odds of finishing with 8 wins.

As for chip, you're a poser. When facts prove you're wrong, just call people names.

So far 3 of the cranks with the biggest hard-ons for the SEC (Biggs, step, ElC) have chimed in and not a single bullet point disputed. About what you would expect when you adversary has been backed into a corner by inconvenient facts.

Every bowl game vs. a top-half SEC opponent now is the other team's Super Bowl. If the SEC loses, it's a myth. If they win, it never mattered. When they cap off their worst conference bowl season in 10 years and still finish with a winning record and ranked 2nd among P5 conferences, they're a myth. The angrier the Biggs types are, the better you're doing as a conference. So it's a trade-off I guess.

All that said, TCU was the best team in the country this year. Nobody in the country can hang within 2 scores of them in January.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Now it's TCU??? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[ElComanche]

Again the same old rhetoric to justify some sound butt whippings"The SEC did not take their bowl games seriously" and this was their opponents"Super Bowl" . They kept getting beat and how many Super Bowls are there? The chips keep falling from the old block. The chipper must be an old southern born boy raised on myths and legends which he continues to believe He reminds me of the old Iraqui Minister of Information wirh his absurd statements The televisions were rolling and the humiliating defeats mounting and he keeps on going..What was their bowl record this year?

 

[BiggsCoug]

I think it's funny that the poster most critical of people speaking against the SEC duck, dodge and avoid the topic once they've been found a fraud. Poser. If you're gonna Chit all over those that disagree with you at least have the stones to show up. And not look like a bigger doosh by saying TCU is better. Turd.

 

[spongebob11]

Yeah that dude sucks. I don't even think he went to WSU. I don't think any WSU grad would staunchly defend all that is SEC.

He comes over here, mentions my name on multiple occasions in threads I'm not even involved in etc.

Doubt he's ever been to a WSU bowl game.

 

[wazzubruce]

The SEC is a great conference. They have some great teams and really good talent.

That said, it's true they game the system with games against the Sisters of the deaf and the Blind Directional Universities of the world for their first 3 home games of the season. Then in mid November they schedule their last 'patsy' to rest up right before their rivalry game.......... Add to those 4 wins, 4 more wins at home over middling to bad teams and then lose to any team that is away or is simply seriously better than them. This is a KNOWN recipe for bowl participation.

8 home EASY games and
4 away .

The Playoff selection committee should demand that all conferences play either 8 or 9 conference games....whichever...just make it an even playing field.

The playoff committee should be looking at the number of home games a team has. Some have 8, some have 6. That hardly seems even.

WSU, for what it's worth, has over the years sold it's soul ($) to get body bag games with Ohio State, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Auburn..... never to have return games in Pullman. (Seattle sucks and doesn't count). It doesn't work. This coming schedule for next year is decent..... PSU, Wyoming, then add away at Rutgers... not bad... But Rutgers could be New Mexico State at home and an almost certain win. hmmmmmm.