PG (or maybe combo). Definitely explosive. Was interested in Maryland but they apparently backed off. Had some interest coming from a couple other programs as well but hopefully the commit means he has shut things down.
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It's already a awesome class with Agobidi(Should be a future NBA prospect BIG MAN(Think, see Shawn Kemp esque), TJ Bamba, Pg/Sg/Combo guard, Jefferson(Might Maybe probably should be a future overseas, NBA, pro, etc, prospect)
And yes either another BIG, or stretch, combo 3,4, 3.5 spot, 6 ft 7.5, Sean Elliot, Malik Sealy type, G/F type, would be nice, BUT not required to make this already great class good.
Such a kind of get like that, would however make the class even better then how awesome it already is, and would be the icing on the cake, class.
And yes either another BIG, or stretch, combo 3,4, 3.5 spot, 6 ft 7.5, Sean Elliot, Malik Sealy type, G/F type, would be nice, BUT not required to make this already great class good.
Such a kind of get like that, would however make the class even better then how awesome it already is, and would be the icing on the cake, class.
But oh no Kyle Smith, is a bad coach, cant coach X's and O's, plays slow, boring Bennetball, cant score 80+ points like he his team did vs UCLA, can't recruit, etc, etc, at least according to El C er Troll, lol.
Let's look at Smith's awesome recruits.
4 star Noah Williams
Vova(NBA Academy)(Will be awesome)
Rodman
Agobidi(NBA prospect)
TJ Bamba
Jefferson(Top 10 Canadien player in all of Canada, leads all of canada in scoring(29 ppg), Rebounds 10, Assist 5.8 per game, all combined. NBA prospect.)
But oh no Smith can't recruit, so says troll, Kent's relative, lol.
Anymore trolling to do El, lol.
Let's look at Smith's awesome recruits.
4 star Noah Williams
Vova(NBA Academy)(Will be awesome)
Rodman
Agobidi(NBA prospect)
TJ Bamba
Jefferson(Top 10 Canadien player in all of Canada, leads all of canada in scoring(29 ppg), Rebounds 10, Assist 5.8 per game, all combined. NBA prospect.)
But oh no Smith can't recruit, so says troll, Kent's relative, lol.
Anymore trolling to do El, lol.
Also kind of like Baghdad bob:
Baghdad Bob: With USA marines doing bunny ears behind his ears, "Saddam will never be defeated!"
El: "Smith is a terrible coach, cant recruit!"
As Smith wins about 15,16,17 games this season, and continues to recruit awesomely, and as one of his recruits(Noah Williams), continues to start, play well.
Lol.
Ok, I've had my fun. Just giving him a hard time, poking some fun at him, etc.
No hard feelings, etc.
Baghdad Bob: With USA marines doing bunny ears behind his ears, "Saddam will never be defeated!"
El: "Smith is a terrible coach, cant recruit!"
As Smith wins about 15,16,17 games this season, and continues to recruit awesomely, and as one of his recruits(Noah Williams), continues to start, play well.
Lol.
Ok, I've had my fun. Just giving him a hard time, poking some fun at him, etc.
No hard feelings, etc.
Great pickup! Considered by some a top 5 Canadian recruit. Averages an eye-popping 30 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals a game. Not sure how good the competition is, but that's an impressive line at any level. Others wanting him include the aforementioned Maryland, Iowa, Georgetown, South Dakota, Holy Cross, and Missouri State. He loved his trip to Pullman and said he knew right away that was the place for him. Really likes the coaches and they say he'll play a lot right away.
Glad Cougar
Glad Cougar
Slow your roll maybe a bit. I think smith is phenomenal and Chun did a remarkable job getting him to Pullman but not all these guys are NBA players. Good thing is they don’t need to be, Smith can take the talent he’s getting and mold it into a very competitive P12 team, because he’s damn good at developing and building a team.
Its not me that's saying they are NBA players. And just because they are NBA PROSPECTS, doesnt mean they will go to the NBA. Plenty of NBA PROSPECTS DONT go to the NBA, because of injury, because they didnt measure up, didnt pan out their ON PAPER projections, etc.
Agobidi IS a NBA prospect.
The REAL NBA released a video of him doing something as a 15 year old that ONLY about 1% of the NBA ALLSTARS, and Jordan, Brent Barry, Dr J, etc, has done, and thats Dunk from the freethrow line.
He attended NBA Academy Africa. One does not attend that, unless they are a ELITE 5, FIVE STAR High P5 Major College All Star, NBA Prospect, that they will AT LEAST probably fast track into at least the NBA D, G, development leagues, at minimum.
And the only reason that didnt happen, and why the Duke types didnt recruit him, was that 2,3 years ago, he suffered a extreme injury that has lasted 2,3 years. There were even questions about whether he would either ever play again or play effectively again.
He is just now recovered, at about 99% from that.
Jefferson is a Top 5 to top 10 canadien player.
He LEADS ALL OF CANADA at 30 ppg, 10 rebounds per game, 6 assist per game, 3 steals per game.
Many experts, including NORTH POLE HOOPS, are projecting him as a 4,5, 4.5 star, NBA prospect.
I am not being Hyperbolic. Maybe the so called experts that are projecting these 2 players as Potential ON PAPER NBA Prospects are Hyperbolic, maybe not.
But these 2 players do have NBA esque Potential, and its not unreasonable that they might, maybe, probably go play in:
1. NBA D, G, development league
2. Undrafted signed NBA free agent
3. Drafted at the bottom of 2nd round of NBA draft
4. Play overseas as Pros.
And thats what the so called experts expect out of them.
And they know a lot more about these 2 players then you or me.
And I am just going by what they say, and after researching about these 2 players, agree with them.
Yes, not every WSU recruit can or will make it to the NBA.
Yes its not likely that even 1 WSU recruit, let alone 2 or more WSU recruits would make it to, play in NBA.
But that kind of thing does happen at the Kentucky's, Duke's, Kansas's, North Carolina's out there.
I know that WSU is not a blue blood program like them. But other non blue blood programs have also done that.
Smith is putting together a extremely special class. And if he gets another 4 star level 6 ft 7.5 in, hybrid 3/4 like a Sean Elliot, Malik Sealy esque type recruit, this class could easily be one of the best classes in WSU history.
And if that happens 2 of those recruits could potentially end up in the NBA, as NBA Prospects.
But they dont have to go to the NBA to be good for WSU.
Also part of the reason why me, others(Yes others here have also pointed out that they are NBA prospects(However I am the only one who gets called out, called hyperbolic over it), is to point out that since they are NBA prospects, that shows they are good recruits for WSU, whether they are a NBA prospects or not, whether they make the NBA or not.
It also shows that Smith is doing a awesome job of recruiting, beating out other programs for recruits, NBA prospects, etc, that other programs want.
And in the rare 1 or 2 times where a 4 star like Noah Williams doesnt get a lot offers for WSU, Smith to beat out, Smith is still doing a awesome job recruiting, getting these less recruited 4 stars like Noah Williams.
Rather then suggesting that me, others are being hyperbolic in saying that Agobidi, Jefferson are potential NBA prospects at minimum, how about you just relax, let others think that, or now that you have had your say about that, move on, enjoy the awesome job Smith is doing. Enjoy the Awesome recruiting class Smith is putting together, etc, and let others do the same.
And Georgetown is, has been a NCAA tournament, Power House(NBA powerhouse(Patrick Ewing), Maryland is a pretty good program, Iowa, while not a good program, isnt bad either. South Dakotah, Holy Cross, are pretty good mid major programs.
The Kentucky's out there didnt offer, but thats probably because a lot of them already have their 5 star Plan A's, and dont have room for a 4.5 star plan B. like Jefferson.
And also they may not have been aware of him, as canada sometimes goes under recruited, or isnt recruited as well as it could be.
So he may have flown under the radar of the Kentucky's out there.
Also since he commited to WSU so fast, and since he said he had such a awesome visit to WSU, before he committed, maybe the Kentucky's out there either figured that he would commit to WSU or that his commit to WSU was solid.
They may also have put out feelers to him, and asked him, if they were to offer him, would he commit.
They would do that, so that they wouldnt officially offer him, then have him say no, then have him commit to WSU, then have Smith,WSU, etc, be able to say, show, that WSU beat out a Kentucky for a Top recruit.
No doubt in my mind that if Jefferson was still available 3 to 9 months from now, that eventually a Kentucky type would have eventually offered Jefferson.
Just goes to show how good Jefferson is, and how good of a recruiter Smith and his staff is.
There is a 36% to 42% chance he will be an NBA player.
Though it’s a 58% to 64% chance that he won’t.
Though it’s a 58% to 64% chance that he won’t.
Iowa is actually a good program.....having been in the NCAA tournament 4 out of the past 6 years and have played in 26 NCAA tournaments total in its history. They are also currently ranked #20 in the nation. All the more impressive that the Cougs got a good one that other successful programs wanted.
Glad Cougar
Have at it my dude. I’m loving it, I just said Smith is doing an awesome job, was a fantastic hire. Just saying I think you are in dreamland a bit thinking he’s building a roster stacked with NBA talent. But don’t let my thoughts piss on your parade.
Again its either not me or not just me, it OTHER EXPERTS like NORTH POLE HOOPS, and other experts.
But hey I guess the EXPERTS are in dreamland fantasizing that WSU is stocked with FUTURE NBA esque, POTENTIAL NBA PROSPECTS PROSPECTS(Do you even know what the word PROSPECT even means?).
Also 2, TWO PROSPECTS, IS NOT even a roster full of NBA talent.
Also as I said before, there are a lot of teams with 2+ Future Potential NBA Prospects
WSU just happens to be one of them.
There are
1. CJ Elleby(If he comes back)
2. Agobidi
3. Jefferson.
Lets look at CJ Elleby for a moment.
When CJ was a HS recruit, he didnt have anywhere near the Recruit Rankings, Offers, Stars, (Was a 3.5 star recruit. 3 stars by some, 4 stars by others), didnt have experts saying he had potential to be a FUTURE NBA Prospect, etc, that Agobidi, Jefferson have had, wasnt rated as the top 5 to top 10 recruit in either all of USA or all of Canada, like Jefferson was rated top 5 to top 10 player in all of Canada.
And yet despite that, CJ DEVELOPED into a NBA Prospect, where, when there was no reason to think that would, could happen.
Now since that happened, and if that can happen with, in a lesser situation, lesser player(ON PAPER coming out of HS), then isnt it logical that a Greater player ON PAPER, comparing when they come out of HS, with higher rankings, more accolades, more EXPERTS projecting them as future NBA Prospects, that there just might be a greater chance that they just might actually be a future NBA Prospect?
If Elleby stays its not unreasonably to logically say that there would be 2 POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA PROSPECTS on the team:
1. Elleby
2. Agobidi or Jefferson.
And even if Elleby were to not stay, leave early to NBA draft, it would still not be unreasonable to say there would be 2 potential future NBA prospects on the team:
Probable:
1. Agobidi
2. Jefferson
ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS.
Possibilities:
1. Agobidi an or Jefferson
2. Bonton(Semi Extreme Longshot),
So its not unreasonable to say that next year(When Elleby, Jefferson, Agobidi, Bonton could all be on the WSU roster together), that 2 of those 4 players, or 2 of 3 players if Elleby leaves, are probably future NBA prospects.
Thats not unreasonable to say that.
The EXPERTS have said that.
Anybody who disagrees with that is not being Logical as Mr Spock would say.
Heck even TJ Bamba maybe could maybe develop into a future NBA prospect in the far off future someday.
So again 2 of those 4,5 players being 2 Future, Potential NBA Prospects, is not unreasonable.
But even if you illogically disagree with that, you dont need to be raining on people.
I know you say you are not doing that, but you kinda are in a way.
Just agree to disagree, move on, dont rain on people, and just enjoy things.
And TJ Bamba is no slouch either compared to Elleby, Agobidi, Jefferson.
All I knew was TJ at the time he SOLIDLY committed to WSU was a 3 star to some recruiting services, and a 4 star to some recruiting services, and a 3.5 star recruit overrall.
I thought he was good, would be good, but not this awesome:
1000 Career HS points. Epic HS milestone.
Has scored 30+ points many times.
Was averaging 25 ppg this season, but is now lately averaging about 26,27, 28+ ppg, thanks to recent:
35 point output
39 points in Senior night game. 21 rebounds to go with his 39 points. WHICH IS A HS SCHOOL RECORD FOR HIS HS.
And he was NOMINATED AS A MC DONALDS ALL AMERICAN(Just barely didnt become a Mc Donald's AA, but only because the competition ahead of him was stacked, and because he went to WSU, instead of going to a Duke type. If he had been recruited to a Duke type and had gone to a Duke Type, combined with any other year, he would have been a Mc Donald's AA.
Also a teammate who goes by something like nate or nasty beaty 5 on his twitter, is projected as a NBA prospect, and is either Solidly committed to, signed with KANSAS. He was also nominated a Mc Donald's AA, and actually became a AA.
That's significant because he has not played as well or produced as much as TJ Bamba. Bamba has outplayed, out produced him.
And another teammate of TJ Bamba, is Ty Foster, was also nominated a AA, and became a AA, was named as the 47th, top 50 PG in the nation, given a higher 4, 5 star rating then TJ Bamba, and is also going to go to a blue blood duke type college.
That's significant, because TJ Bamba has outplayed, out produced Ty Foster too.
So TJ Bamba has been nominated a MC D's AA, is the EQUIVALENT of a AA, has outplayed, out produced 2 Duke type teammates, that are projected by experts as FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECTS.
Has been playing LIKE, producing LIKE a FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT.
There is a saying:
If it sounds like a duck, smells like a duck, looks like a duck, etc, its probably a duck
Well similarly, if, since a player, TJ Bamba looks like a FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT, and plays like it, and produces like it, etc, that player, TJ Bamba MIGHT EVEN PROBABLY BE A FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT.
And apparently I am not the only one who thinks says that, as a rumored, so called twitter wannabe expert called, named something like Kobe Sprewell, is tweeting, saying that TJ Bamba might probably be a FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT.
And TJ Bamba IS NBA ESQUE, FREAKISHLY ATHLETIC.
To find the info, newsouces, tweets, etc, just follow the twitter trail from the Link Scott put in the WSU vs Stanford thread.
So TJ Bamba is no slouch compared to CJ Elleby, Agobidi, Jefferson, etc.
So CJ, Agobidi, Jefferson, TJ Bamba, Bonton, Cannon, Noah Williams, Vova(NBA Academy)
Its not that big of a stretch, unreasonable to say that over the next 4,5 years, that at least 1 of those will goto the NBA,(CJ alone is practically almost guaranteed to goto NBA).
And 1,2 more of, out of those might probably be a POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT WITHIN THE NEXT 4,5 YEARS.
That's how extremely special this team is, will be. And how special the current recruiting class is.
This team is, might probably is semi loaded up with POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECTS, TALENT OVER THE NEXT 4,5 YEARS.
ON PAPER, Smith is building a class, team, talent wise comparable to:
Ravelings: House, Guy Williams, etc
Sampsons: Seltzer, Neil Derrick, Terrence Lewis, Tony Harris, etc
Bennets: Low, Weaver, Cowgill, Klay.
At least ON PAPER wise.
We'll have to see whether Smith's COMPARABLE, AWESOME, ON PAPER, playera, would actually live up to the REASONABLE HYPE, EXPECTATIONS, ON PAPER, PROJECTIONS, etc.
But even if that doesnt happen. Even if all of Smith's talented players, that he found, got, recruited, built, etc, were to be utter complete failures, etc.
Smith's talented players, COMING OUT OF HS, JC, TRANSFERS, NBA ACADEMIES, ETC, ON PAPER, HAVE BEEN EITHER MORE HIGHLY RATED, RANKED, TALENTED, PROJECTED, ETC, COMPARABLE, ETC, as Raveling, Bennet, Sampson, and the best of Eastman(Shamon Antrum, etc), Bone(Reggie Moore, Aden, Motum, DJ Shelton, Royce Woolridge, Lacy, Que, Iroegbu, Isabell, etc)
Smith's players are COMPARABLE to all that ON PAPER.
Whether Smith's players live up to that, achieve that, remains to be seen.
We'll see.
But even if Smith's players were to end up failing. Smith is still doing a AWESOME JOB getting players with such AWESOME ON PAPER POTENTIAL, UPSIDE, ETC.
All I knew was TJ at the time he SOLIDLY committed to WSU was a 3 star to some recruiting services, and a 4 star to some recruiting services, and a 3.5 star recruit overrall.
I thought he was good, would be good, but not this awesome:
1000 Career HS points. Epic HS milestone.
Has scored 30+ points many times.
Was averaging 25 ppg this season, but is now lately averaging about 26,27, 28+ ppg, thanks to recent:
35 point output
39 points in Senior night game. 21 rebounds to go with his 39 points. WHICH IS A HS SCHOOL RECORD FOR HIS HS.
And he was NOMINATED AS A MC DONALDS ALL AMERICAN(Just barely didnt become a Mc Donald's AA, but only because the competition ahead of him was stacked, and because he went to WSU, instead of going to a Duke type. If he had been recruited to a Duke type and had gone to a Duke Type, combined with any other year, he would have been a Mc Donald's AA.
Also a teammate who goes by something like nate or nasty beaty 5 on his twitter, is projected as a NBA prospect, and is either Solidly committed to, signed with KANSAS. He was also nominated a Mc Donald's AA, and actually became a AA.
That's significant because he has not played as well or produced as much as TJ Bamba. Bamba has outplayed, out produced him.
And another teammate of TJ Bamba, is Ty Foster, was also nominated a AA, and became a AA, was named as the 47th, top 50 PG in the nation, given a higher 4, 5 star rating then TJ Bamba, and is also going to go to a blue blood duke type college.
That's significant, because TJ Bamba has outplayed, out produced Ty Foster too.
So TJ Bamba has been nominated a MC D's AA, is the EQUIVALENT of a AA, has outplayed, out produced 2 Duke type teammates, that are projected by experts as FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECTS.
Has been playing LIKE, producing LIKE a FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT.
There is a saying:
If it sounds like a duck, smells like a duck, looks like a duck, etc, its probably a duck
Well similarly, if, since a player, TJ Bamba looks like a FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT, and plays like it, and produces like it, etc, that player, TJ Bamba MIGHT EVEN PROBABLY BE A FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT.
And apparently I am not the only one who thinks says that, as a rumored, so called twitter wannabe expert called, named something like Kobe Sprewell, is tweeting, saying that TJ Bamba might probably be a FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT.
And TJ Bamba IS NBA ESQUE, FREAKISHLY ATHLETIC.
To find the info, newsouces, tweets, etc, just follow the twitter trail from the Link Scott put in the WSU vs Stanford thread.
So TJ Bamba is no slouch compared to CJ Elleby, Agobidi, Jefferson, etc.
So CJ, Agobidi, Jefferson, TJ Bamba, Bonton, Cannon, Noah Williams, Vova(NBA Academy)
Its not that big of a stretch, unreasonable to say that over the next 4,5 years, that at least 1 of those will goto the NBA,(CJ alone is practically almost guaranteed to goto NBA).
And 1,2 more of, out of those might probably be a POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT WITHIN THE NEXT 4,5 YEARS.
That's how extremely special this team is, will be. And how special the current recruiting class is.
This team is, might probably is semi loaded up with POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECTS, TALENT OVER THE NEXT 4,5 YEARS.
ON PAPER, Smith is building a class, team, talent wise comparable to:
Ravelings: House, Guy Williams, etc
Sampsons: Seltzer, Neil Derrick, Terrence Lewis, Tony Harris, etc
Bennets: Low, Weaver, Cowgill, Klay.
At least ON PAPER wise.
We'll have to see whether Smith's COMPARABLE, AWESOME, ON PAPER, playera, would actually live up to the REASONABLE HYPE, EXPECTATIONS, ON PAPER, PROJECTIONS, etc.
But even if that doesnt happen. Even if all of Smith's talented players, that he found, got, recruited, built, etc, were to be utter complete failures, etc.
Smith's talented players, COMING OUT OF HS, JC, TRANSFERS, NBA ACADEMIES, ETC, ON PAPER, HAVE BEEN EITHER MORE HIGHLY RATED, RANKED, TALENTED, PROJECTED, ETC, COMPARABLE, ETC, as Raveling, Bennet, Sampson, and the best of Eastman(Shamon Antrum, etc), Bone(Reggie Moore, Aden, Motum, DJ Shelton, Royce Woolridge, Lacy, Que, Iroegbu, Isabell, etc)
Smith's players are COMPARABLE to all that ON PAPER.
Whether Smith's players live up to that, achieve that, remains to be seen.
We'll see.
But even if Smith's players were to end up failing. Smith is still doing a AWESOME JOB getting players with such AWESOME ON PAPER POTENTIAL, UPSIDE, ETC.
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Mik lives in a dreamland. Go back and read his posts on Jervae Robinson after a bb tournament this summer.
Jamar Ergas was able to dunk from the free throw line. So can Marvin Cannon. Noah Williams can do so too. This doesn't make them NBA prospects
You can stop cherry picking anytime.
Dunking by itself is not a indicator of whether someone will goto the NBA or not or whether someone has that POTENTIAL or whether they are NBA Esque, etc.
But a Dunk from freethrow line, 3 point line, etc, is NOT a normal Dunk.
Not just anybody can do that.
And I seriously doubt that Ergas, Cannon, Noah can all Dunk from freethrow line.
Can they dunk well. Yes. From BEHIND the freethrow line? HELL NO.
Maybe one of them could, but not all of them.
DR J, Jordan, Brent Barry, and maybe 5 to 10 to 15 other NBA PROS, ALL STARS, NBA PLAYERS, TOP COLLEGE PLAYERS, ETC, ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE TAKEN OFF FROM BEHIND THE FREETHROW LINE, DIDNT RETOUCH THE GROUND AGAIN BEFORE DUNK, HANGED IN THE AIR, AMD DUNKED AUTHORITATIVELY.
They are the only ones who have done it.
And Now Agobidi has done it.
And not just done it, BUT DID SO AT THE AGE OF 15 15 15 YEARS OLD.
ITS HARD ENOUGH AT ANY AGE NBA HALL OF FAMER JORDAN OR NOT, LET ALONE AT 15 YEARS OLD.
But even with all that, being able to do even that, is not enough to goto the NBA.
And Agobidi being a NBA prospect is NOT ONLY based on Agobidi being able to do JORDAN, DR J dunks, like he does, spectacular as they are.
Agobidi WAS a NBA prospect at the NBA AFRICA ACADEMY.
And then he suffered a EXTREME INJURY.
Now Agobidi is probably a POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT AGAIN.
And that's not just based on his dunking ability.
The FACTS, LOGIC, EXPERTS, EXPERTS, EXPERTS, EXPERTS, WHO KNOW A HELL LOT MORE THEN YOU AND ME, SAYS, SHOWS THAT AGOBIDI IS PROBABLY A POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT.
You going against that shows that AS MR SPOCK WOULD SAY YOU ARE A ILLOGICAL CHERRY PICKER, AND ARE ILLOGICAL.
But keep on ignoring facts, logic, the experts, etc.
Also another example of your cherry picking and failing to put out everything:
Jervae ROBINSON, didnt just play in some ho hum generic random, etc, B Ball Tournament, that could have been a 3 on 3 hoopfest tournament for all you said, didnt say.
Jervae played IN THE FREAKING JAMAL CRAWFORD(RETIRED, OR NEAR RETIRED FORMER NBA ALL STAR) PRO AM.
This is a tournament where the BEST, ELITE HS, COLLEGE, NBA D, G LEAGUE, NBA PLAYERS, etc, go to play, coach, teach, learn, show off, etc.
Its not just some random some meh, B Ball tournament.
You make it sound like he might have been just some player that had a great game at a local HS playground tournament, and that because of that I am supposedly saying that Jervae is, was a Potential Future NBA Esque Prospect.
Well thats not the case, situation at all.
Jervae had a awesome game, time at the Jamal Crawford Pro Am.
He scored about 19 to 29 to 39 points at the Pro Am. He was there with CJ Elleby, Noah Williams at the Pro Am, who which players also did well at the Pro Am.
The EXPERTS at the PRO AM(Pros, Coaches, etc), said that CJ Elleby, Noah Williams, were all IMPRESSIVE at the Pro Am, and that all 3 of them would be awesome players for Smith, WSU.
All I did was repeat, report that.
I didnt say Jervae was going to go tobthe NBA. I didnt say he wouldnt.
I did say Jervae had NBA esque freakish athleticism, and that he would be awesome at WSU, REPEATING WHAT THE EXPERTS AT THE PRO AM SAID.
But saying that is not saying Jervae wpuld goto the NBA.
And even if I had said something like that, based on his performance in the PRO AM, that is, would be a far cry different then saying something like that, after the player playing in some local 3 on 3 playground basketball tournament, or any random tournament game.
You are misrepresenting what I said. What I meant. And you are cherry picking, and you are being illogical.
You are throwing out so many crazy things it's impossible to keep up. A quick search on YouTube shows a huge number of behind the free throw line dunks by various players in the dunk contest. Brent Barry did it wearing warm ups. This is not a super human feet by NBA standards. This fact undermines your entire thesis: he's an NBA prospect because he did something only 10 or so NBA all stars have done. Doing it at 15 was mildly impressive but then he had a catastrophic injury. Look, he's interesting but there is a reason the only coaches who followed him on Twitter were from UT-Rio Grande, Drexel, and Oregon St.
With Jefferson, he had some interest from programs but to suggest the Duke's and Kentucky's of the world were afraid to offer because he was sold in WSU is flat out making stuff up. At least there has been talk by folks with blogs (who aren't experts) that he might be a one and done. Maybe, but sure fire one and done prospects get serious interest from everyone (247 reported 41 offers for Isaiah Stewart for instance). The reality is these coaches aren't afraid to compete for talent with a school like WSU.
I welcome your unintentionally humorous takes. I wonder if you have an on again, off again relationship with reality because you regularly state as fact things you pull out of thin air. It seems as though you struggle with specific numbers so you vomit out a range, as if there is no meaningful difference between a 19 point game, 29pts, or 39pts.
Either way, your enthusiasm is fun.
With Jefferson, he had some interest from programs but to suggest the Duke's and Kentucky's of the world were afraid to offer because he was sold in WSU is flat out making stuff up. At least there has been talk by folks with blogs (who aren't experts) that he might be a one and done. Maybe, but sure fire one and done prospects get serious interest from everyone (247 reported 41 offers for Isaiah Stewart for instance). The reality is these coaches aren't afraid to compete for talent with a school like WSU.
I welcome your unintentionally humorous takes. I wonder if you have an on again, off again relationship with reality because you regularly state as fact things you pull out of thin air. It seems as though you struggle with specific numbers so you vomit out a range, as if there is no meaningful difference between a 19 point game, 29pts, or 39pts.
Either way, your enthusiasm is fun.
1. As to why practically no one was interested, following, offering Agobidi:
1. He suffered a Catastrophic Injury to his basketball career.
There were questions about whether he would even be able to play ever again, let alone play effectively ever again.
If your a Kentucky, Duke type, that has a lot of 5 stars, would you want to gamble, risk Agobidi joining your team, using up a scholly spot, and then not being able to play, even tho there a ok chance he might probably be a POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT?
I know that if I am Coach K, I wouldnt care if Agobidi was the Next Shawn Kemp, etc, as I wouldnt want to take the risk, gamble that the 2nd coming of Shawn Kemp would get injured, not be able to play, because of his injury.
I would rather just grab a 5 star Big Man from the 5 star tree growing on my front lawn, that I know is not the injury gamble.
And the Duke types are the same way as that, and thats why Agobidi didnt get hardly any interest.
Having said that Drexel is nothing to Snide at as Drexel is a Mid Major Program that has gone to a LOT of NCAA Tournaments, like a Gonzaga, Butler, Wichita State, Creighton, etc.
And so Drexel showing interest in Agobidi sure is saying something about Agobidi.
2. Jefferson. Altho Jefferson didnt have the Duke types after him, he did have Georgetown after him.
Georgetown is probably as close to a Duke type as your gona get without actually being a Duke type.
So Georgetown trying to get Jefferson, is saying something. Its saying that the Duke type should be trying to get Jefferson.
So if Duke types should be trying to get Jefferson, because Georgetown was trying to get Jefferson, then why werent the Duke types trying to get Jefferson?
Were they the Duke types stupid? Maybe, maybe not.
Did they overlook him?
Did Jefferson fly under the radar? Dont see how one of the best, if not THE BEST player in ALL OF CANADA(Statistically led ALL OF CANADA), could fly under the Radar of the Duke types?
If I am a Coach K type of a Duke type, here is what I would probably see, think of the Jefferson situation:
Oh so Jefferson is the best player in all of Canada huh?
Wonder why no other big programs have offered him?
Well I have already got a 5 star SG, but would be nice to get that 4.5 star Jefferson as INSURANCE.
Oh looks like the Kid had a awesome visit to WSU. Oh the kid ABSOLUTELY LOVES WSU huh. The kid has committed to WSU huh.
Well since I already have this nice 5 star SG already, and would only need Jefferson as INSURANCE, and since it looks like Jefferson has a strong commitment to WSU. And since I wouldnt want to offer Jefferson, and then have him say no to me, and then have WSU, Smith say he beat my program out for Jefferson, I'll just put out a UNofficial feeler out there, and ask the kid if he is accepting other offers. And if the kid claims I offered him, I'll deny it.
Oh the kid said no he is not accepting offers. Looks like I'll either have to go without INSURANCE, or get it somewhere else.
Then later: Oh I got a email from the coach of Kentucky. He is asking me about Jefferson. I'll just let him know about Jefferson.
Here is what I think:
I think Jefferson could have been a LATE BLOOMER, which caused Jefferson to TEMPORARILY FLY UNDER THE RADAR.
Because of that, the Duke types wemt after their Plan A, Plan B, 4,5 stars.
Because of that by the time Jefferson's recruiting took off, some of the Duke types that already had filled their needs, didnt take a interest in Jefferson, because they had filled their needs.
Then some of the Duke types that wanted INSURANCE, took a interest in Jefferson, but when they found out about his visit to WSU, how he loved WSU, Smith, coaching staff, and STRONGLY committed to WSU, some of the Duke type bowed out.
Then the Duke types left, that didnt want to get PUBLICALLY beat out by WSU for Jefferson, made UNOFFICIAL offers, that got turned down.
Then the word got out that Jefferson's commit to WSU was unbreakable.
Of course I have no proof of this. Its just speculation, conjecture, etc.
But it is REASONABLE, LOGICAL, and what probably happened, or something close to it.
Because USUALLY the BEST player in Canada, USUALLY gets offers from DUKE TYPES.
So why no Duke type offers this time for a player who is arguably the BEST PLAYER IN, FROM CANADA?
There might or might not be other explanations, but this, my explanation is the only one that makes sense, seems to answer why no Duke Type offers, at least to me.
This shows that despite the lack of Duke type offers, that as arguably the BEST PLAYER from, in ALL OF CANADA, that Jefferson might probably be a FUTURE POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT TALENT, over the next 4,5 years.
That said, even tho there has been talk of him being a 1 and done, I don't think he is a 1 and done.
And just because, and if he is a future potential future NBA esque Prospect, that doesnt, wouldnt automatically make him a 1 and done.
I think the important word here is PROSPECT PROSPECT PROSPECT.
And I think its important to learn, remember what the word PROSPECT means.
Just to put this into perspective....WSU has produced 3 NBA players in the last 20 years and only 2 who had decent careers. So the chance of having 2 or 3 on next years team is simply a fantasy from a guy who needs to get back on his meds. There is not any experts saying these guys are future NBA prospects at least not anymore of a prospect than any other incoming D-1 player... How about we celebrate the signing of what appears to be a good class, then let them get on campus and prove what they can do before we start anointing them as the next Klay Thompson.
Some and not just you have some reading comprehension issues, that or I did not use enough caps to emphasize, or did not communicate clearly, etc.
1. I did not say WILL GO TO NBA, or GUARANTEED to GOTO NBA, etc.
2. I said POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL NBA ESQUE PROSPECTS TALENTS ON PAPER.
3. I said just because they are PROSPECTS does NOT mean the will reach their ON PAPER POTENTIAL and actually make it to NBA.
4. People really need to learn WHAT PROSPECT MEANS.
Here is a example:
When Gold Miners find a area that Likely has good, where they PROBABLY will find gold. That's a PROSPECTIVE Gold Area that likely has gold. Sometime after they are done digging the area out they find NO GOLD, sometimes they find gold. Thats why its called a PROSPECT.
5. Altho in the past WSU has only had:
Guy Williams, Craig Ehlo, James Donaldson, Don Collins, Stuart House, Klay, Aron Baynes, CJ(practically guaranteed to make NBA), goto the NBA over a 50 year history, that does not mean that its impossible for WSU to have 2,3 NBA Prospects.
6. I NEVER SAID 2,3,4 NBA Prospects in A SINGLE SEASON.
Of course that's not BLOODY DAMN LIKELY.
7. I said 2, maybe a stretch 3 NBA PROSPECTS OVER A 4, FOUR, 5, FIVE YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.
8. CJ Elleby, AGOBIDI, JEFFERSON are or should be ON PAPER POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL NBA PROSPECTS, TALENTS ON PAPER
And TJ Bamba may or may not be added to that.
And Bonton, is a extreme longshot as well.
9. Its not unreasonable to say that 2, and maybe a STRETCH 3 would, cpuld, should, maybe, probably be POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECTS ON PAPER, that might even probably have a realistic SHOT at the NBA within the next 4, FOUR, 5, FIVE YEARS.
10. You, others can stop MISREPRESENTING what I said.
NORTH POLE HOOPS said that JEFFERSON either was, is, would, could, should, maybe, probably be a POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT, THAT MIGHT PROBABLY HAVE A REALISTIC SHOT AT THE NBA, AND IS ONE TO KEEP A EYE, TAB ON AS A NBA PROSPECT, WITHIN SOME YEARS.
REAL NBA EXPERTS FROM THE REAL NBA WERE SAYING THAT AGOBIDI WAS A POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT, THAT MIGHT PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED FOR THE NBA, BY THE NBA IN ITS NBA ACADEMY, NBA D, G LEAGUE.
That was BEFORE HIS CATASTROPHIC CAREER THREATENING INJURY AFTER HIS FAMOUS DUNK.
A So Called Wannabe Twitter Expert, with connections to TJ, HS HOOPS, who is a IN THE KNOW INSIDER, who has a Twitter handle name of something like Kobe, Sprewel, has said that TJ BAMBA is a NBA PROSPECT.
You can find that info, news, info, sources, etc, by following the Twitter Trail in links posted in this thread, and in other threads here, and in a link posted by Scott in the WSU VS Stanford Preview thread here.
You may disagree with the so called experts, and these players situations that seem to show that these players are probably 5 star caliber players/NBA PROSPECTS.
JEFFERSON is ARGUABLY THE BEST PLAYER IN ALL OF CANADA, IN ADDITION TO BEING A TOP 5 TO TOP 10 PLAYER IN ALL OF CANADA, IN ADDITION TO STATISTICALLY LEADING ALL OF CANADA WITH 30, THIRTY PPG, 11 REBOUNDS PER GAME, 7 ASSIST PER GAME, 3 STEALS PER GAME.
THERE IS A BLOODY DAMN GOOD REASON WHY GEORGETOWN TRIED TO GET JEFFERSON.
AND THERE ARE BLOODY DAMN GOOD REASONS WHY THE SO CALLED EXPERTS ARE PROJECTING JEFFERSON AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE NBA ESQUE PROSPECT, TALENT, ON PAPER, WITHIN THE NEXT 3,4 YEARS, AND A 5 STAR CALIBER PLAYER.
I like Agobidi and very happy that he is a Cougar. But Drexel has not gone to a LOT of NCAA tournaments. Only 4 times in its long history and not since 1996. So they are clearly not like Gonzaga, Butler Wichita State, Creighton, etc.
Just want to make sure everything is factual.
Glad Cougar
Most people are happy to have Agobidi (myself included). Same goes for the rest of the recruits. Most people stop short of declaring everyone on the roster an NBA potential prospect.
If randos with blogs are considered not just experts but EXPERTS, I'm sure you can declare most players on college rosters NBA potential. Of course the mistake is assigning value to their opinions.
The Drexel stuff is one of many invented facts by our friend.
I am amused by this thread. We have a post where our enthusiastic friend named the following players as potential NBA prospects:
Elleby
Koulibaly
Agobidi
Bonton
Bamba
Then he insists he never said they would never have more than 2 maybe 3 on the roster at any given time.
There is an old saying “The older I get the better I was”. Now I guess I can take that up a notch because now I was a potential NBA prospect... that will sound really cool with my fat ass sitting on a bar stool, but doesn’t make it reality.
North Pole Hoops is a recruiting service that players and or their parents pay to have a profile of their kid posted on. Then the service attempts to up the players exposer and hype in an attempt to get the player recruiting interest. Not saying it’s a bad thing but it only ranks and only promotes players who pay the money. And after all this they still charge the players to be in their tournaments and charge the parents again to come watch the kids play.
As far as Georgetown goes your living in the past. The Hoyas haven’t made the NCAA dance in 5 years. Last year they were 19-14 and went to the NIT. Each of the 3 years prior to that they had a loosing record this year they are 15-12 and 5-9 in conference. Not exactly a national power anymore.
I’m very happy with this recruiting class and it’s potential, and don’t want to get sucked into bashing our incoming recruits but these unrealistic expectations are crazy. You said many of the same things about our 7 footer.
North Pole Hoops is a recruiting service that players and or their parents pay to have a profile of their kid posted on. Then the service attempts to up the players exposer and hype in an attempt to get the player recruiting interest. Not saying it’s a bad thing but it only ranks and only promotes players who pay the money. And after all this they still charge the players to be in their tournaments and charge the parents again to come watch the kids play.
As far as Georgetown goes your living in the past. The Hoyas haven’t made the NCAA dance in 5 years. Last year they were 19-14 and went to the NIT. Each of the 3 years prior to that they had a loosing record this year they are 15-12 and 5-9 in conference. Not exactly a national power anymore.
I’m very happy with this recruiting class and it’s potential, and don’t want to get sucked into bashing our incoming recruits but these unrealistic expectations are crazy. You said many of the same things about our 7 footer.
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Only the bipolar would interpret realistic expectations for our recruiting class as bashing the kids. We have a great group of kids who can compete against anyone in the Pac-12, especially if they buy into the system.
