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Better than I honestly expected. I was hoping for 7-2 and half expecting 6-3 at this point.

The offense is slowly becoming more multi-dimensional. Mateer still has touch issues, but he has made significant progress this season. Our O line has mostly settled down in terms of both the line up and assignment recognition. Several folks can catch the ball. All in all, better than expected.

The defense is sometimes as good as I expect, but they have been inconsistent. Several of you have pointed out that they seem to play to the level of the competition. I am hoping that is about over with and they will finish strong. I think the interior D line and LB's have been better than I expected. The DE's have done OK with containment but have not put on the rush that I expected. The DB play has been inconsistent; sometimes they are great, and sometimes...they are not.

If we can finish the regular season firing on all cylinders this will go down as an all time season. And if we lose some players because other teams buy them, we will still be a desired school for transfers and HS kids, because we are clearly a platform where they can get positive exposure.

I think it is critical to sign CJD to a long term contract with a big buy out. Yesterday. Sure, he makes some mistakes. But he has the best Pullman personality that I've seen since Mike Price or Jim Sweeney. We have the potential to have a similar long term situation to Whittingham at Utah. In the current climate, we need that. Continuity during times of crisis is the best path to success.
 
While I would love WSU sign Dickert to a long term deal with a big buyout, Dickert has to want to sign a long term deal with a big buyout.

Why would he want to? He’s coaching arguably, the most successful team in WSU history to a half-full stadium.
 
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Better than I honestly expected. I was hoping for 7-2 and half expecting 6-3 at this point.

The offense is slowly becoming more multi-dimensional. Mateer still has touch issues, but he has made significant progress this season. Our O line has mostly settled down in terms of both the line up and assignment recognition. Several folks can catch the ball. All in all, better than expected.

The defense is sometimes as good as I expect, but they have been inconsistent. Several of you have pointed out that they seem to play to the level of the competition. I am hoping that is about over with and they will finish strong. I think the interior D line and LB's have been better than I expected. The DE's have done OK with containment but have not put on the rush that I expected. The DB play has been inconsistent; sometimes they are great, and sometimes...they are not.

If we can finish the regular season firing on all cylinders this will go down as an all time season. And if we lose some players because other teams buy them, we will still be a desired school for transfers and HS kids, because we are clearly a platform where they can get positive exposure.

I think it is critical to sign CJD to a long term contract with a big buy out. Yesterday. Sure, he makes some mistakes. But he has the best Pullman personality that I've seen since Mike Price or Jim Sweeney. We have the potential to have a similar long term situation to Whittingham at Utah. In the current climate, we need that. Continuity during times of crisis is the best path to success.
It will be interesting to see what happens. If Dickert is as committed to Pullman as he says, he shouldn't care about a buyout. But at the same time, he wouldn't really be paying it, a buyout might slightly limit where he may go. Meaning it may knock someone like Purdue or West Virginia out of consideration, but Wisconsin covers it with a phone call or two.
 
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Better than I honestly expected. I was hoping for 7-2 and half expecting 6-3 at this point.

The offense is slowly becoming more multi-dimensional. Mateer still has touch issues, but he has made significant progress this season. Our O line has mostly settled down in terms of both the line up and assignment recognition. Several folks can catch the ball. All in all, better than expected.

The defense is sometimes as good as I expect, but they have been inconsistent. Several of you have pointed out that they seem to play to the level of the competition. I am hoping that is about over with and they will finish strong. I think the interior D line and LB's have been better than I expected. The DE's have done OK with containment but have not put on the rush that I expected. The DB play has been inconsistent; sometimes they are great, and sometimes...they are not.

If we can finish the regular season firing on all cylinders this will go down as an all time season. And if we lose some players because other teams buy them, we will still be a desired school for transfers and HS kids, because we are clearly a platform where they can get positive exposure.

I think it is critical to sign CJD to a long term contract with a big buy out. Yesterday. Sure, he makes some mistakes. But he has the best Pullman personality that I've seen since Mike Price or Jim Sweeney. We have the potential to have a similar long term situation to Whittingham at Utah. In the current climate, we need that. Continuity during times of crisis is the best path to success.
Regarding Mateer, this is what growth looks like. He’s a completely different QB than he was a month ago. Would love to play that BSU game over again right now, think we’d get a much different result.
 
While I would love WSU sign Dickert to a long term deal with a big buyout, Dickert has to want to sign a long term deal with a big buyout.

Why would he want to? He’s coaching arguably, the most successful team in WSU history to a half-full stadium.

A long-term deal has proven risky - look at USC. I also don't truly know if Jake wants to be in Pullman "forever." He has to say what he has to say to look good to our fans.

I would say our defense - supposed strength of Jake - lacks fundamentals and discipline and it shows in our numbers.

I also think Jake will be a name that gets attention. Let's see where the dominoes fall. Of the possible openings in Power 4 schools, would Jake go to Miss St? Does Virginia Tech call him? If Iowa State loses their coach, would they look outside to replace Matt Campbell?

And if Jake loses Mateer, does WSU drop a bit next year?

If Jake wants to leave Pullman, this is his year to do it. His stock will be hot.
 
A long-term deal has proven risky - look at USC. I also don't truly know if Jake wants to be in Pullman "forever." He has to say what he has to say to look good to our fans.

I would say our defense - supposed strength of Jake - lacks fundamentals and discipline and it shows in our numbers.

I also think Jake will be a name that gets attention. Let's see where the dominoes fall. Of the possible openings in Power 4 schools, would Jake go to Miss St? Does Virginia Tech call him? If Iowa State loses their coach, would they look outside to replace Matt Campbell?

And if Jake loses Mateer, does WSU drop a bit next year?

If Jake wants to leave Pullman, this is his year to do it. His stock will be hot.
If I’m a coach it’s tough staying at a school where your best players are gonna get poached every year. I get thats virtually any team now with the exception of a handful of true blue bloods. If Mateer appears to be heading elsewhere at seasons end think it’s going to be tough holding on to Dickert if we’re at 10 to 11 wins which seems pretty likely. He will have interest from most of the P4 schools that have openings. And he’s a well spoken, energetic guy so I’d expect he’d impress in an interview as well.
 
While I would love WSU sign Dickert to a long term deal with a big buyout, Dickert has to want to sign a long term deal with a big buyout.

Why would he want to? He’s coaching arguably, the most successful team in WSU history to a half-full stadium.

I don't disagree with the notion that our fans are not providing the support that our team deserves but this current team is barely in the discussion for Top 10 teams in our school's history and is not seriously in discussion for "most successful team in WSU history". Success is not based solely on the number of wins posted. Looking solely at regular season win totals, these teams are all clearly better and more successful than this squad.

1930: 9-0
1997: 10-1 (loss to #14 ASU) beat #5 UCLA and #18 UW
2001: 9-2 (losses to #2 Oregon and #19 UW). Beat #16 Stanford
2002: 10-2 (losses to #1 Ohio State and NR UW). Beat #4 USC
2003: 9-3 (losses to #1 USC, NR Notre Dame and NR UW) Notre Dame was #19 when we played them. Beat #5 Texas in Holiday Bowl
2018: 10-2 (losses to NR USC and #13 UW). Oregon, Stanford and Iowa State were all ranked when we beat them.

Any one of those teams from 1997 to present would curb stomp our current team. Three of them won conference championships and all had much better wins than any that the current team can point to. When you factor in quality of competition and other factors, 1932, 1988, 1992, and 2017 were better teams and more successful in many ways. There are a handful of other teams that I don't think the current team could beat as well.

If WSU finishes 12-1, WSU is going to brand this as the most successful season ever, but those of us who've been watching the Cougs for 30+ years know that this team isn't close to being in the Top 5 and again, may not even be in the Top 10 of our best teams.
 
If I’m a coach it’s tough staying at a school where your best players are gonna get poached every year. I get thats virtually any team now with the exception of a handful of true blue bloods. If Mateer appears to be heading elsewhere at seasons end think it’s going to be tough holding on to Dickert if we’re at 10 to 11 wins which seems pretty likely. He will have interest from most of the P4 schools that have openings. And he’s a well spoken, energetic guy so I’d expect he’d impress in an interview as well.
Well, it won't last for long as our talent level drops to the league that we are in. We'll get one or two players going, and a few bench players who are looking for something else, but its not like we'll be loading up on 3 star players like in the past. We'll see a lot more 2 star and walk ons on our roster.
 
I don't disagree with the notion that our fans are not providing the support that our team deserves but this current team is barely in the discussion for Top 10 teams in our school's history and is not seriously in discussion for "most successful team in WSU history". Success is not based solely on the number of wins posted. Looking solely at regular season win totals, these teams are all clearly better and more successful than this squad.

1930: 9-0
1997: 10-1 (loss to #14 ASU) beat #5 UCLA and #18 UW
2001: 9-2 (losses to #2 Oregon and #19 UW). Beat #16 Stanford
2002: 10-2 (losses to #1 Ohio State and NR UW). Beat #4 USC
2003: 9-3 (losses to #1 USC, NR Notre Dame and NR UW) Notre Dame was #19 when we played them. Beat #5 Texas in Holiday Bowl
2018: 10-2 (losses to NR USC and #13 UW). Oregon, Stanford and Iowa State were all ranked when we beat them.

Any one of those teams from 1997 to present would curb stomp our current team. Three of them won conference championships and all had much better wins than any that the current team can point to. When you factor in quality of competition and other factors, 1932, 1988, 1992, and 2017 were better teams and more successful in many ways. There are a handful of other teams that I don't think the current team could beat as well.

If WSU finishes 12-1, WSU is going to brand this as the most successful season ever, but those of us who've been watching the Cougs for 30+ years know that this team isn't close to being in the Top 5 and again, may not even be in the Top 10 of our best teams.
The '94 team with Palouse Posse and Chad Davis at the helm would beat this team and hold them scoreless. Come to think of it, '93 kills them too.
 
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A long-term deal has proven risky - look at USC. I also don't truly know if Jake wants to be in Pullman "forever." He has to say what he has to say to look good to our fans.

I would say our defense - supposed strength of Jake - lacks fundamentals and discipline and it shows in our numbers.

I also think Jake will be a name that gets attention. Let's see where the dominoes fall. Of the possible openings in Power 4 schools, would Jake go to Miss St? Does Virginia Tech call him? If Iowa State loses their coach, would they look outside to replace Matt Campbell?

And if Jake loses Mateer, does WSU drop a bit next year?

If Jake wants to leave Pullman, this is his year to do it. His stock will be hot.
Sounds like you couldn’t be happier if he does
 
I don't disagree with the notion that our fans are not providing the support that our team deserves but this current team is barely in the discussion for Top 10 teams in our school's history and is not seriously in discussion for "most successful team in WSU history". Success is not based solely on the number of wins posted. Looking solely at regular season win totals, these teams are all clearly better and more successful than this squad.

1930: 9-0
1997: 10-1 (loss to #14 ASU) beat #5 UCLA and #18 UW
2001: 9-2 (losses to #2 Oregon and #19 UW). Beat #16 Stanford
2002: 10-2 (losses to #1 Ohio State and NR UW). Beat #4 USC
2003: 9-3 (losses to #1 USC, NR Notre Dame and NR UW) Notre Dame was #19 when we played them. Beat #5 Texas in Holiday Bowl
2018: 10-2 (losses to NR USC and #13 UW). Oregon, Stanford and Iowa State were all ranked when we beat them.

Any one of those teams from 1997 to present would curb stomp our current team. Three of them won conference championships and all had much better wins than any that the current team can point to. When you factor in quality of competition and other factors, 1932, 1988, 1992, and 2017 were better teams and more successful in many ways. There are a handful of other teams that I don't think the current team could beat as well.

If WSU finishes 12-1, WSU is going to brand this as the most successful season ever, but those of us who've been watching the Cougs for 30+ years know that this team isn't close to being in the Top 5 and again, may not even be in the Top 10 of our best teams.
Sorry, actual results >>> flatemotions
 
I don't disagree with the notion that our fans are not providing the support that our team deserves but this current team is barely in the discussion for Top 10 teams in our school's history and is not seriously in discussion for "most successful team in WSU history". Success is not based solely on the number of wins posted. Looking solely at regular season win totals, these teams are all clearly better and more successful than this squad.

1930: 9-0
1997: 10-1 (loss to #14 ASU) beat #5 UCLA and #18 UW
2001: 9-2 (losses to #2 Oregon and #19 UW). Beat #16 Stanford
2002: 10-2 (losses to #1 Ohio State and NR UW). Beat #4 USC
2003: 9-3 (losses to #1 USC, NR Notre Dame and NR UW) Notre Dame was #19 when we played them. Beat #5 Texas in Holiday Bowl
2018: 10-2 (losses to NR USC and #13 UW). Oregon, Stanford and Iowa State were all ranked when we beat them.

Any one of those teams from 1997 to present would curb stomp our current team. Three of them won conference championships and all had much better wins than any that the current team can point to. When you factor in quality of competition and other factors, 1932, 1988, 1992, and 2017 were better teams and more successful in many ways. There are a handful of other teams that I don't think the current team could beat as well.

If WSU finishes 12-1, WSU is going to brand this as the most successful season ever, but those of us who've been watching the Cougs for 30+ years know that this team isn't close to being in the Top 5 and again, may not even be in the Top 10 of our best teams.
Agreed. Bottom line, we're playing a G5 schedule. Not Apples to Apples. Not even close.
 
Sorry, actual results >>> flatemotions

I posted actual results. Wins over good opponents...losses to elite opponents.....conference championships. I'm happy to see us winning games and it will be great if we can win out....but anyone who is objective knows that this season is nothing more than making the best of a terrible situation.
 
I posted actual results. Wins over good opponents...losses to elite opponents.....conference championships. I'm happy to see us winning games and it will be great if we can win out....but anyone who is objective knows that this season is nothing more than making the best of a terrible situation.
You mean it's bad to lose to a Top 15 team and beat the rest including fuw on the road and Texas Tech at home?

Be 8 & 1 as a Top 20 squad?

Terrible situation indeed.
 
Sounds like you couldn’t be happier if he does
I'm just looking at situation objectively. I want him to stay. I think he's done a great job. He's won 2 apple cups.

That said, if he's going to leave, this might the year to do so. His record is great this season with wins over TT and UW. We have to confront that reality. The other reality is we can't pay with the power 4 schools are paying. I'm not sure there is anything we can do to keep him in Pullman until he retires - if that's the goal.
 
You mean it's bad to lose to a Top 15 team and beat the rest including fuw on the road and Texas Tech at home?

Be 8 & 1 as a Top 20 squad?

Terrible situation indeed.

It’s a jv sked with 2 decent opponents.

Break your arm patting them on the back if you want. The degree of difficulty in the sked is weak.
 
You mean it's bad to lose to a Top 15 team and beat the rest including fuw on the road and Texas Tech at home?

Be 8 & 1 as a Top 20 squad?

Terrible situation indeed.

The terrible situation is the crap schedule that we ended up getting saddled with. The good thing for us is that the Huskies kind of suck and Texas Tech is proving to be the epitome of mid so we were able to beat them. We are playing five teams that are in the bottom 30 of FBS along with a lower tier FCS team. It's the type of schedule that made us laugh at Boise State for flexing at 11-1 back in the day. I'm glad that we are ranked and I am enjoying our success....but only a fool thinks that this is a great team. Again, there are at least 10 WSU teams from the past that would dominate this squad.

It would be nice if UW was good enough to finish 8-4 and Tech had beaten CU and TCU and been a good win on our schedule. If OSU wasn't terrible, we'd have a nice late season game to help build our resume and maybe a shot at the CFP. As it is....our schedule is going to end up being the weakest in our school's entire history. It's so bad that even if we finish 12-1....we probably won't finish ranked in the Top 10.
 
I posted actual results. Wins over good opponents...losses to elite opponents.....conference championships. I'm happy to see us winning games and it will be great if we can win out....but anyone who is objective knows that this season is nothing more than making the best of a terrible situation.
1993 was unranked at any point in the season. 2024 is ranked higher than 1994 and still climbing. Let’s see if they can hold it.
 
It’s a jv sked with 2 decent opponents.

Break your arm patting them on the back if you want. The degree of difficulty in the sked is weak.
They scheduled who they could. You beat the teams in front of you. BSU is a legit top 15 team. Dickerts done a phenomenal job, not just this year but his entire body of work at WSU. You will coach High School JV the rest of your life and be bitter about it.
 
1993 was unranked at any point in the season. 2024 is ranked higher than 1994 and still climbing. Let’s see if they can hold it.

You might want to read a bit more before you respond to one of my posts. I'm not the one that brought up the 1993 or 1994 teams. That was Bleed. The reason that I didn't mention them in my post was because that 1994 offense was so bad that everyone had a shot against us and the 1993 team was only good until Pattinson got hurt...they sucked after that. He wasn't wrong though. That 1994 team would punish our current team defensively and the 1993 team was very good before Pattinson went down.

Still, you may want to make sure that you are directing your responses in the right direction.
 
It’s a jv sked with 2 decent opponents.

Break your arm patting them on the back if you want. The degree of difficulty in the sked is weak.
The schedule is what it is and it’s not the Cougs fault. They had to have a schedule this year and the PAC12 was able to work it out with MWC. Repeated harping on it does no one any good.
 
The schedule is what it is and it’s not the Cougs fault. They had to have a schedule this year and the PAC12 was able to work it out with MWC. Repeated harping on it does no one any good.

In hindsight, my only complaint is that we didn't force them to allow us to be considered for the MWC championship. With all the money that they blackmailed us for....it would have been nice to have a shot at a rematch in Vegas with the Broncos with a chance to go to the CFP on the line. We are a WCC team for the next two years in basketball and it doesn't appear that it will kill us.
 
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Willful blindness of what it is doesnt help either.
You heard it here first boys…we should be relentlessly booing the team every time they take the field because of the schedule they are playing.

Maybe we can see if Alabama or Tennessee is up for a midweek game on a Wednesday at a neutral site to beef up their playoff qualifications?

Jfc, I’ve never seen someone double down on stupid so often.
 
It’s a jv sked with 2 decent opponents.

Break your arm patting them on the back if you want. The degree of difficulty in the sked is weak.
I'm not saying we are playing our best...

What I am saying is that with all the shit thrown at WSU with the break up of the Pac-12, people are morons if they are grouchy right now about where we are at.

What you're acting like is someone who will bitch if we finish 11 & 1.

ANYONE who bitches about 11 & 1 needs give themselves a reach around.

Shit. 10 & 2 and grouchy? Are you f'in kidding me?
 
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You heard it here first boys…we should be relentlessly booing the team every time they take the field because of the schedule they are playing.

Maybe we can see if Alabama or Tennessee is up for a midweek game on a Wednesday at a neutral site to beef up their playoff qualifications?

Jfc, I’ve never seen someone double down on stupid so often.
We have had this schedule set for what - 9 months now? And our pal is still bitching. On paper it looked OK. TT, mutts, BSU, OSU. Not our fault all but BSU suck this year.

Edit - nice to see that we are on FS1 this weekend. All the rest of the MW games are on that stupid CBSSN.
 
The terrible situation is the crap schedule that we ended up getting saddled with. The good thing for us is that the Huskies kind of suck and Texas Tech is proving to be the epitome of mid so we were able to beat them. We are playing five teams that are in the bottom 30 of FBS along with a lower tier FCS team. It's the type of schedule that made us laugh at Boise State for flexing at 11-1 back in the day. I'm glad that we are ranked and I am enjoying our success....but only a fool thinks that this is a great team. Again, there are at least 10 WSU teams from the past that would dominate this squad.

It would be nice if UW was good enough to finish 8-4 and Tech had beaten CU and TCU and been a good win on our schedule. If OSU wasn't terrible, we'd have a nice late season game to help build our resume and maybe a shot at the CFP. As it is....our schedule is going to end up being the weakest in our school's entire history. It's so bad that even if we finish 12-1....we probably won't finish ranked in the Top 10.
It would not be nice if fuw had a winning season.

Wtf?
 
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It would not be nice if fuw had a winning season.

Wtf?
I think Flat needs to rename his handle to Flathead Coug. Then go jump in Flathead Lake. :)

Another funny story from the always mirthful and Mighty Loyal One. Way back when, then-wife and I visited Flathead Lake. Big-ass body of water. Almost scary in an 18-foot runabout. On the North end, after a long day of boating (and a cold one or 2) we meandered towards shore. Near dark, saw some bumps in the water, they turned out to be tree stumps. We had gone too far east towards the river entrance. Avoided near disaster.

Next day, a repeat. Same stumps near dark. Shit.
 
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It’s a jv sked with 2 decent opponents.

Break your arm patting them on the back if you want. The degree of difficulty in the sked is weak.
I get what you're saying, but BSU basically beat the #1 team in the country and they have the best running back in the country.

"Decent" opponents?

Gtfoh.

You and I have repeatedly posted messages about playing teams you can beat to build up the wins. Limit the exposure to teams that can wear you down.

We have 1 loss to a Top 20 squad. We have won every thing else.

Mateer is drawing National attention.

Looking at the Top 25 and our name is there.

We have a bowl game coming and fuw, fusc, fucla, Arizona, Utah, and Stanford are all still planning where to line up in their man to man log jam.

No grouchy clouds in my Cougar sky
 
I'm not saying we are playing our best...

What I am saying is that with all the shit thrown at WSU with the break up of the Pac-12, people are morons if they are grouchy right now about where we are at.

What you're acting like is someone who will bitch if we finish 11 & 1.

ANYONE who bitches about 11 & 1 needs give themselves a reach around.

Shit. 10 & 2 and grouchy? Are you f'in kidding me?

Anyone that thinks its amazing needs their eyes checked.

Take the wins? Yes.

Refuse to see the talent drain, the piss poor coaching and weak schedule? Nope.

Delusional if you think any team in the top 40 couldnt accomplish the same 11-1 record.
 
Anyone that thinks its amazing needs their eyes checked.

Take the wins? Yes.

Refuse to see the talent drain, the piss poor coaching and weak schedule? Nope.

Delusional if you think any team in the top 40 couldnt accomplish the same 11-1 record.
Guess what Biggs? They aren't and we are.

Take at least a sip of a happy drink
 
I get what you're saying, but BSU basically beat the #1 team in the country and they have the best running back in the country.

"Decent" opponents?

Gtfoh.

You and I have repeatedly posted messages about playing teams you can beat to build up the wins. Limit the exposure to teams that can wear you down.

We have 1 loss to a Top 20 squad. We have won every thing else.

Mateer is drawing National attention.

Looking at the Top 25 and our name is there.

We have a bowl game coming and fuw, fusc, fucla, Arizona, Utah, and Stanford are all still planning where to line up in their man to man log jam.

No grouchy clouds in my Cougar sky

“Basically beat” …. gtfoh. Moral victories dont fcking count. That is delusional shot right there.

WSU could easily have lost most of their Mtn West wins. This is a very middle class Mtn West G5 team coming out on top of other very middle class Mtn West G5 teams. This has been a tremndous drop from middle class power 5.

Medicority does not deserve applause.

Raise your standards.

Which of the top 25 could WSU beat??? Maybe CU? Who else?
 
“Basically beat” …. gtfoh. Moral victories dont fcking count. That is delusional shot right there.

WSU could easily have lost most of their Mtn West wins. This is a very middle class Mtn West G5 team coming out on top of other very middle class Mtn West G5 teams. This has been a tremndous drop from middle class power 5.

Medicority does not deserve applause.

Raise your standards.

Which of the top 25 could WSU beat??? Maybe CU? Who else?
Hey, wake up. Or sober up. This is a jv schedule. Be honest.
So F-ing what. Repeat your whining another 100 times if it makes you feel better.
 
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