Ummm Philadelphia’s current Left Tackle is 37yrs Old & a 15yr Vet.
& to answer your other weird post. Dillard’s not a 1st Round Pick if it wasn’t for Mike Leach & His System.
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Andre Dillard prediction thread
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Ummm Philadelphia’s current Left Tackle is 37yrs Old & a 15yr Vet.
& to answer your other weird post. Dillard’s not a 1st Round Pick if it wasn’t for Mike Leach & His System.
And he's a stud and better than 80% of the league, even at his age and should start again, barring injury. Like I said, no IMMEDIATE need, which is what you usually spend your first round picks on.
Either way, didn't post that to bicker with you or anyone else, just my opinion.
I’m surprised he went that far down.
The reason I had in to the raiders with the 4th pick was by looking at sacks allowed in the NFL.
Houston
Dallas
Green Bay
Jacksonville
Oakland
Were the top 5 teams in sacks allowed. Considering Oakland had so many 1st round picks I figured they would grab Dillard early because no way Houston would let him go by.
Pretty shocked honesty because if a team (like Oakland especially) wants to get out of the gutter they need to protect the QB.
Raiders and Jags were last in their divisions Greenbay had only six wins next to last so I definitely felt like those would be after him hardest and with Houston / Dallas lower in the first round it just made sense to me that they may try to trade up to get him.
Raiders are a weird organization. What do they grab? Some DE from Clemson as if he’s going to protect the QB and keep them out of the gutter in sacks allowed.
The reason I had in to the raiders with the 4th pick was by looking at sacks allowed in the NFL.
Houston
Dallas
Green Bay
Jacksonville
Oakland
Were the top 5 teams in sacks allowed. Considering Oakland had so many 1st round picks I figured they would grab Dillard early because no way Houston would let him go by.
Pretty shocked honesty because if a team (like Oakland especially) wants to get out of the gutter they need to protect the QB.
Raiders and Jags were last in their divisions Greenbay had only six wins next to last so I definitely felt like those would be after him hardest and with Houston / Dallas lower in the first round it just made sense to me that they may try to trade up to get him.
Raiders are a weird organization. What do they grab? Some DE from Clemson as if he’s going to protect the QB and keep them out of the gutter in sacks allowed.
One announcer wondered if he "can put his hand in the dirt"? That is not to say that smaller O Linemen were drafted in front of him.Hell he is bigger stronger and more athletic than the players picked before him.But anyway he is a first rounder and will make a lot of money.
Don't forget the 1st round, non-starting rb.
Not that they don't need a rb, but a 1st Rd pick in this weak rb class?
Because that announcer’s preparation for the broadcast was to get hammered last night on the District.
Late first round doesn’t have the pressure to immediately perform that goes with the top 10-12 picks. He’ll likely be expected to contribute immediately, but not necessarily as a starter. Remember, Aaron Rogers went #22, and sat behind Favre for 2-3 seasons. That seemed to work pretty well. I think Dillard landed in a great position.
My question after day 1 - how much longer is Eli with the Giants? Drafting a QB at #6 - especially when they had another pick later in the round - tells me that they believed it was their most critical need, and they’re not planning on moving ahead with Eli.
I’d find it hilariously poetic if they traded him to San Diego to back up Philip Rivers.
What the hell are you even talking about.
First off there is no way he would have gotten past Houston picking him in the first round, which is where he was projected to go in most reputable draft services. Which is why Philly traded up to get in front of Houston duh. The Texan fan base went from super high that they were getting Dillard as planned to being pissed about being gut punched by Philly.
As for Leach's system, what other system do you think a lightly recruited 2-star player could develop into a first round draft pick ? You are inferring the Leach system somehow hurt him, hell it made him into what he is a first round draft pick.
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Guys, the level of the pick wasn't a big surprise. And the destination should not have been a real head scratcher. The increase in wide open passing offenses in all their forms has put a premium on edge rushers. DT's have ALWAYS been the hardest spot to fill after QB. So who dominated the first round selections? QB's, DT's and edge rushers. No mystery here.
When Philly's pick rolled around, the best of the QB's, DT's and edge rushers were arguably gone. At that point one OG, one OT and a center had been taken. The center is an apples vs oranges comparison for a lot of reasons (much like the TE position; on the OL, but a certain degree they are a specialist; maybe versatile enough to play Guard, but a specialized player none the less), so in reality Andre was the 3rd interior OL taken. Philly's offense needs blind side tackle protection as much or more than any of them, and Andre was simply the best player available by the time Philly's pick rolled around. I suspect they were very happy and perhaps a bit surprised to be able to take him.
On another subject, I thought he was the most well spoken player taken last night. Listening to him speak brought a great deal of Cougar pride to me.
But Cougzz picked 21...so he wins....something.... Tell him what he wins Scott!
Ping....what's with the sensitivity? HISTORICALLY there has been a bias when it came to offensive lineman. Do you think Dillard is the first lightly recruited lineman he has ever signed that was developed? How long as Leach been a head coach? 17 years? How many first or even second round draft picks at the offensive line position has he had in his tenure?
It is clear the NFL is having second thoughts about the Air Raid or at least principles of the Air Raid. It is interesting the one coach they hired who is an Air Raid guy is the one person who didn't succeed at Texas Tech.
And the truth is Leach makes the o lineman the best they can be for him. Does that always translate to the NFL? Do you believe Dillard got four good years of training, three of which came under Clay McGuire who was a running backs coach at his previous stops?
Maybe I have a sensitive ear but Riddick seemed to be way more critical of Dillard in terms of technique than any other player in the draft. He seemed to go on about how he got beat and bull rushed at the senior bowl, not being a drive blocker for the run, and several other things then said how athletic he is.
In terms of him slipping,sometimes it is about as much as need as anything else. He could have slipped out of the first round and not because of his talent. It sure seemed like Houston got one put by them when Philly went up and got Dillard, but the fact Houston didn't trade down 8 to 10 spots and still get the same player they may have wanted the guy from Alabama State all along. Or it could be they really wanted Dillard and then panicked after he was gone.
In any case good for Dillard, good for Leach. Abe is next.
All very true.
Where I was most surprised was some of the earlier picks that seemed to be big reaches, and the teams who obviously have OL needs but picked something else. The Raiders taking Ferrell and the Giants taking Jones when they did seemed to disrupt things a bit, and neither of those picks seems like the right move to me. I also don't get the Lions taking a tight end at #8.
Then again, if I was a GM with a top 10 pick, most of the time I wouldn't use it. Teams at those positions have a lot of needs, and it makes more sense to trade down and stockpile.
I felt the same. Even when the draft started and each player made their entrance walk, he was the first one to make an entrance without flash, flare, "look at me", crazy clothing, strutting, etc. He's the epitome of what you want in your clubhouse, and the true Philly fans will love him for it. As we did during his time in Pullman.
Here's the number of lineman Leach has put in the NFL along with their draft position
2019 - OT - Dillard WSU - Rnd 1 pick #23 by Eagles
2018 - OT - Cole Madison WSU Rnd 5 pick #138 by Green Bay
2017 - OT - Joe Dahl - - WSU Rnd 5 pick #151 by Detroit
2009 - G - Louis Vasques - Texas Tech Rnd 3 pick #78 by San Diego
2007 - G - Manny Ramirez - Texas Tech Rnd 4 pick #117 by Detroit Lions
2006 - C - Ej Whitley - Texas Tech Rnd 7 pick #224 by Dallas Cowboys
2005 - OT - Daniel Loper - Texas Tech Rnd 5 pick #150 by Tennesee Titans
2005 - G - Dylan Gandy - Texas Tech Rnd 4 pick #129 by Indianapolis Colts
So as a head coach out of 17 years. Leach has had 8 lineman drafted. That's actually an incredible result.
In fact if he coached a new set of starters every single year of his head coaching tenure that would be only 85 players. And 8 of them were drafted in the NFL. That's a 9.4% success rate to the next level.
" NCAA senior players drafted by an NFL team: About one in 50, or 2.0percent."
You have more than 4 times greater chance of making the NFL as a starting lineman for Leach than what is normal for an NCAA player.
Your Iron Law has disintegrated. Again. Own it.
As far as your history goes, why don't you tell us how many first or second round OLs WSU has produced since 1936. Here's a hint, Leach is responsible for 50% of them.
Thanks for the input. Not sure what your stats show. He has never had one until now that was taken in the first round, where picks are probably over analyzed, but they are a premium. There has BEEN a bias, read what riddick said about Dillard -"he got whipped with power, he got whipped with speed,” ESPN’s Louis Riddick said. “He has some technique deficiencies. They’re going to have really coach him up. … His upside is spectacular. They’re just going to have to do some work with him.” By listening to Riddick he was barely coached in college and is getting drafted because of his athletic ability. There is a perfect example of the Air Raid bias.
I don’t know how they can say he got whipped by speed and power when he gave up 3 sacks in 2 years. He might have lost a few battles in one on one’s in the senior bowl, but I’ve watched him for 3 years and he’s owned the last two years.
Yea, there’s bias against the Air Raid. If you just look at his measurable’s, height, weight, arms, 40, 20 yard shuttle, broad he measures up with all the top LT’s coming out college.
Dillard got picked by the best team he could been. No pressure this year, hell of a position coach, winning team, HoF in front of him. Dillard is not far off from being the stud he’s going to be. Just because he didn’t run block doesn’t mean he can’t. Come 5 years from now when he’s signing a $100M with the Eagles is going to prove that he’s a beast.
Yea, there’s bias against the Air Raid. If you just look at his measurable’s, height, weight, arms, 40, 20 yard shuttle, broad he measures up with all the top LT’s coming out college.
Dillard got picked by the best team he could been. No pressure this year, hell of a position coach, winning team, HoF in front of him. Dillard is not far off from being the stud he’s going to be. Just because he didn’t run block doesn’t mean he can’t. Come 5 years from now when he’s signing a $100M with the Eagles is going to prove that he’s a beast.
What "Iron Laws. Why the f do you take a probability or likelihood and make it into your cute Iron Laws. If I were a betting man I would bet $10,000 if you played the lottery tonight you wont win the big Powerball or Mega.
What do you want me to own? That I said there was a bias on Air Raid olineman? Yeah I said that. That I said he wouldn't go in the first round? Yeah I said that too.. HISTORY is on my side in those statements. Doesn't mean you WONT win the lottery, but not likely. Same goes for olineman. If Dillard holds his own he now sets the precedent and Abe is next. If Kliff struggles in Arizona, and if Dillard struggles it may set things back in terms of the Air Raid and how it is evaluated.
When D coordinators call a game against WSU you think they say, "well they are bound to run a trick play at some point so I better call a defense that is prepared to stop a trick play", or do you think they do a historical analysis and call their defense on what HAS happened in the past? Predicting Air Raid lineman and not going in the first round all the past DATA shows they have been ignored in that round..UNTIL NOW.
Here is what those who have that bias will ask...."you state he hasn't run block but that doesn't mean he can't, how do you know for a first round pick he can? "
The other thing scouts would say to add question to your opinion, how many top flight Clemson/Alabama type d ends has he faced during his time at WSU? And I think it is a legit question. We haven't been very good in our conference defensively.
No question. One small difference to me is that Riddick did that at the draft in real time. I thought his critique was above what was given the rest of the draft class, and I don't tend to be sensitive to that.
Kansas City runs the Air Raid. New England runs the Air Raid. Mahomes was an Air Raid QB (league MVP). Murray, Mayfield, Goff, Air Raid qb’s. Air Raid is the future of the NFL. That’s why teams are getting people like Kingsbury. Riley is next. SC is hiring Leach disciples because of the Air Raid. Air Raid is what offensives what to become.
First start was against Tak McKinnely from UCLA, a 1st round held his own. Jenks from Oregon is gonna go mid round didn’t do anything against him. Maybe Dillard was just that good that he made good players looks bad. That’s what studs do. And Dillard is a stud.
if 100 people commented on Dillard with 99 of 100 being positive, we can count on you to highlight the one negative.
Only in your negative anti-Leach eyes.
ESPN was more critical last night on most players flaws than I can ever remember in a 1st Round broadcast. You chose to pass on Riddick’s View as Gospel. Surprise.... your one-sided narrative formed view strikes again.
As Brent said, there were plenty of other Experts that praised Dillard yet you don’t pay attention to them. Why?
They're your Iron Laws. Why you keep harping on them is a question you will have to answer, especially when they are repeatedly proven wrong.
Much like the fact that Tony Bennett left Ken Bone with a roster that included Klay Thompson, DeAngelo Casto, Nikola Kopravica, Marcus Thames, Brock Motum, Abe Lodwick, and Marcus Capers but he routinely only mentions Mike Harthun, Nick Witherill, and Anthony Brown as recruiting busts inherited by Bone. A strange focus on the negative.
Glad Cougar
Well....with a slight difference an done that is not small. Gronk, Kelsey, and the like. Without question those offenses have some Air Raid elements. But Andy Reid for example is a west coast guy. with principles of the Air Raid.
You think the Rams run the Air Raid?
Kliff will be the first Air Raid "guy" in the NFL. And when he fails it won't be because he is an Air Raid guy as he was an average Air Raid guy when he ran his own ship at TT.
I didn't pass them on as GOSPEL. I passed them on as someone who had the ear of the masses. I am not on twitter so I didn't see the tweets and in my opinion they probably hold as much weight as Riddicks.
I don't think his opinion is gospel, but rather as someone who is STUCK in the old way. You do understand the difference, correct? It wasn't anti leach, but rather how the old establishment HAS viewed the Air Raid.
Are you really this simple and sensitive?
CougEd the Liar latches onto a narrative and repeats it ad nauseum. He doesn't consider things like facts.
Good grief. They were mentioned in ONE thread, a long thread but ONE. Go back to my history on the BBall board and I didn't say jack about Tony, Kent or Bone.
My comments about Tony were twofold. One, he didn't leave the program in the same shape as he inherited. He inherited talented players but EXPERIENCED talented players. Dick B did not win with sophs, and Tony was 8-10 with all that talent. The misses were hurtful because WHEN he missed on them. That team had no leadership, not experience at PG. I am sorry that gets missed on you.
That is CougEd the Lira to you. You put me in touch with a dyslexic tattoo artist.
BTW, never lied about a thing. Please tell me what I lied about, in which the definition of a lie is making an intentional false statement.
Not sure what you mean by real time. I am talking about at the moment. Just out of curiosity, how many people watched the draft? Do you think more people got Baldingers opinion less than 500 than they got Thursday? (and BTW I don't disagree with him on his analysis of Dillard...but he does throw in that caveat about the Air raid)
After being repeatedly shown that no one was ever sprayed with a hose in freezing temperatures, you continued to perpetuate that lie. You know it. I know it. Everyone on this board for the Marquess Wilson saga knows it. So, you got another lie right here.
