Another damning JDL report

[CougPatrol]

What was his arrogance?

I didn't like the way he handled the situation from a PR standpoint, but I also empathized with him regarding the vaccine, which for healthy people under the age of 70, offers no benefit.

With that said, HE should have empathized with the position that WSU was put in as well.

 

[Cougini5591]

I didn't like the way he handled the situation from a PR standpoint, but I also empathized with him regarding the vaccine, which for healthy people under the age of 70, offers no benefit.

With that said, HE should have empathized with the position that WSU was put in as well.

Maybe. But it should also be noted that he was more than 100% correct.

WSU wasn't put in an odd position. We had a bunch of idiots not measuring what was actually happening.

Remember... everyone in Idaho, Florida, and Texas should have died. They didn't. So to try to say it was right to FORCE anyone into getting the shots is/was the ultimate level of all stupidity.

Don't challenge a person's faith is one angle, but again... the shots were pretty much wrong in terms of being "required".

Is there really someone on here trying to tell me Inslee is smart... was smart... has been right/good?

I swear on the Coug... I'm not trying to be political here. Dumbasses are everywhere. Inslee just has been in the Hall of Turd compared to what has been on the table.

 

[CougPatrol]

Maybe. But it should also be noted that he was more than 100% correct.

WSU wasn't put in an odd position. We had a bunch of idiots not measuring what was actually happening.

Remember... everyone in Idaho, Florida, and Texas should have died. They didn't. So to try to say it was right to FORCE anyone into getting the shots is/was the ultimate level of all stupidity.

Don't challenge a person's faith is one angle, but again... the shots were pretty much wrong in terms of being "required".

Is there really someone on here trying to tell me Inslee is smart... was smart... has been right/good?

I swear on the Coug... I'm not trying to be political here. Dumbasses are everywhere. Inslee just has been in the Hall of Turd compared to what has been on the table.

I'm more right leaning than most people in Western WA, and although I did get vaxed twice, I wasn't a fan of the mandates; particularly the public shaming that took place for those who opted out.

Still, it's impossible to overlook the pressure that a public university like WSU felt here in WA state. You can't objectively say that WSU wasn't put in a bad or odd position. They absolutely were. The negative PR would have been monumental had we taken a Florida-like stand against the mandates. I personally like the way Florida handled things, but it wouldn't have flown out here.

The rest of your post IS political, and that's fine, but I'm trying to limit the discussion to how Rolo and WSU could have or should have handled things.

 

[Cougini5591]

I'm more right leaning than most people in Western WA, and although I did get vaxed twice, I wasn't a fan of the mandates; particularly the public shaming that took place for those who opted out.

Still, it's impossible to overlook the pressure that a public university like WSU felt here in WA state. You can't objectively say that WSU wasn't put in a bad or odd position. They absolutely were. The negative PR would have been monumental had we taken a Florida-like stand against the mandates. I personally like the way Florida handled things, but it wouldn't have flown out here.

The rest of your post IS political, and that's fine, but I'm trying to limit the discussion to how Rolo and WSU could have or should have handled things.

Discussing Rolo and what caused his firing is impossible to be outside of politics in the sense of who made decisions and what caused what.

Other than the covid concept and where Rolo stood/stands with who and what pushed against him...

I don't think I'm playing politics.

Not on the thread/part of the thread anyway

 

[BiggsCoug]

Maybe. But it should also be noted that he was more than 100% correct.

WSU wasn't put in an odd position. We had a bunch of idiots not measuring what was actually happening.

Remember... everyone in Idaho, Florida, and Texas should have died. They didn't. So to try to say it was right to FORCE anyone into getting the shots is/was the ultimate level of all stupidity.

Don't challenge a person's faith is one angle, but again... the shots were pretty much wrong in terms of being "required".

Is there really someone on here trying to tell me Inslee is smart... was smart... has been right/good?

I swear on the Coug... I'm not trying to be political here. Dumbasses are everywhere. Inslee just has been in the Hall of Turd compared to what has been on the table.

It doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong. It’s what the mandate was. And this turd turned it into a circus.

And the faith? Maybe you should read what June Jones said about his conversation with turd…..

 

[Cougini5591]

It doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong. It’s what the mandate was. And this turd turned it into a circus.

And the faith? Maybe you should read what June Jones said about his conversation with turd…..

Judging a person's faith from what was (what might have been) to what it is couldn't be more wrong.

I will speak first hand to this.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

It doesn’t matter if it was right or wrong. It’s what the mandate was. And this turd turned it into a circus.

And the faith? Maybe you should read what June Jones said about his conversation with turd…..

I had to Google it to see his comments. Yeah, June Jones did his best to talk Rolo into it. What dumbshit Rolo was. And the whole religious exemption thing was BS. No fetuses were used for any of the vaccines. That exemption should have never been part of the equation. And I bet everyone on this board got the required vaccines as kids in order to attend public schools. My scar from whatever the big one was (mumps, measles, rubella?) has finally faded.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Judging a person's faith from what was (what might have been) to what it is couldn't be more wrong.

I will speak first hand to this.

Would a man of such strong faith knowingly bring a rapist to campus?

You don’t know what he said to June Jones do you? So your comment about faith? Irrelevant.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Would a man of such strong faith knowingly bring a rapist to campus?

You don’t know what he said to June Jones do you? So your comment about faith? Irrelevant.

Found this extensive ESPN article describing the whole fiasco. Rolo was an idiot.

Inside Nick Rolovich's downfall at Washington State over the COVID-19 vaccine

This is the story of the chaotic final days of the battle between Nick Rolovich and Washington State over his vaccination status.

www.espn.com

 

[95coug]

Found this extensive ESPN article describing the whole fiasco. Rolo was an idiot.

Inside Nick Rolovich's downfall at Washington State over the COVID-19 vaccine

This is the story of the chaotic final days of the battle between Nick Rolovich and Washington State over his vaccination status.

www.espn.com

Regardless of the validity of his faith and faith-based objection, there was zero reason to wait until the last minute to apply for his exemption. He knew he was going to.

I think he assumed his application would be approved by rubber stamp, in spite of all indications to the contrary. He thought the rule wouldn’t apply to him. And he thought that by waiting until the last minute he’d force WSU to approve his application. He believed the rule didn’t apply to him, and tried to manipulate the process to ensure that it wouldn’t.

We was wrong, and it turned out the only way it could. Nobody should have been surprised, and his suit should be dismissed.

 

[CougEd]

Loyal, you have every right to think that, but there is 100% NO WAY he was "arrogant" in not wanting to get his covid shot.

If anything, arrogance is people thinking they can condemn others for not wanting the shot.

And I don't think you're trying to be like that.

His stupidity was to follow Q and text it out . That and giving religious reasons not to get vaxed . His kids are vaxed. He is vaxed on everything under the sun.

 

[Flatlandcoug]

Maybe. But it should also be noted that he was more than 100% correct.

WSU wasn't put in an odd position. We had a bunch of idiots not measuring what was actually happening.

Remember... everyone in Idaho, Florida, and Texas should have died. They didn't. So to try to say it was right to FORCE anyone into getting the shots is/was the ultimate level of all stupidity.

Don't challenge a person's faith is one angle, but again... the shots were pretty much wrong in terms of being "required".

Is there really someone on here trying to tell me Inslee is smart... was smart... has been right/good?

I swear on the Coug... I'm not trying to be political here. Dumbasses are everywhere. Inslee just has been in the Hall of Turd compared to what has been on the table.

I always find it laughable when someone asserts that anyone was "100% correct" about COVID or the vaccine. Anyone who doesn't believe that the vaccine helped save thousands of lives is an idiot. Anyone who thinks that the vaccine was without its faults is an idiot. It's far more complicated than any of the discussions that morons like Rolovich were having. What makes me sad is that COVID and the vaccine policies took people that used to be normal human beings that you could talk to and changed them into raving conspiracy supporting lunatics shaking their fists in anger at the system. I have friends who are no longer worth the effort to talk to because I don't want to be pissed off about something that 1) I couldn't control and 2) is in the freaking past.

BTW, nobody said that "everyone in Idaho, Florida and Texas should have died". That's the exact kind of irrationality that defines the problem with our country today. People going to extremes for no reason other than to just be pissed off at "the others".

FWIW, everything that I've seen in the past two years tells me that WSU is a lot better off without Rolovich and given his unemployed status....the college football world agrees. Good riddance.

 

[dgibbons]

WTF are you talking about? The Covid vaccine(s)? Snake oil? Hey, it/they f-ing worked. And still are working. And what risks? Some undocumented BS about supposed side effects and deaths? Post a link or two to back your BS up please.

How are you defining "worked"? We were sold one thing (you won't get sick), and kinda got another (you'll still get sick but your case will be less severe). "Less severe" is basically an imponderable standard.

I've had Covid three times. First time was November 2020, very mild cold symptoms, literally sniffles. I would not have stayed home except that I was required to do so. I got a J&J jab in April 2021, mainly because it was clear getting a vaccine was going to make travel easier. I randomly woke up with a racing heartbeat several times over the next six months or so. That has never happened to me before, or since.

I got Covid again in December 2021. Was pretty sick that time. Equivalent to a bad cold, but not as bad as the walking pneumonia I've had. Got a Pfizer jab in April of 2022, again for travel. Third case of Rona in November of 2022.

I don't believe either of my last two cases of Covid were less severe because I got a vaccine. The only reason I would get another jab is for travel. And those requirements are fading.

Your anecdotal evidence is not better than anyone else's anecdotal evidence.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

How are you defining "worked"? We were sold one thing (you won't get sick), and kinda got another (you'll still get sick but your case will be less severe). "Less severe" is basically an imponderable standard.

I've had Covid three times. First time was November 2020, very mild cold symptoms, literally sniffles. I would not have stayed home except that I was required to do so. I got a J&J jab in April 2021, mainly because it was clear getting a vaccine was going to make travel easier. I randomly woke up with a racing heartbeat several times over the next six months or so. That has never happened to me before, or since.

I got Covid again in December 2021. Was pretty sick that time. Equivalent to a bad cold, but not as bad as the walking pneumonia I've had. Got a Pfizer jab in April of 2022, again for travel. Third case of Rona in November of 2022.

I don't believe either of my last two cases of Covid were less severe because I got a vaccine. The only reason I would get another jab is for travel. And those requirements are fading.

Your anecdotal evidence is not better than anyone else's anecdotal evidence.

Huh. The jabs clearly didn't help you, but I would argue that you are an outlier. 3 times though, Jesus. You need to stay out of the seedy downtown spots! My one time was mild as hell - wouldn't have even know I had it if I hadn't taken a test. Anyway, we are kind of past all this. I'll still swear by my 4 jabs, but am past arguing with or condeming others.

Oh and I had zero side affects for the J&J, Pfizer or Moderna. A little shoulder soreness from Moderna. I guess drugs like me.....

 

[CougInSpain]

How are you defining "worked"? We were sold one thing (you won't get sick), and kinda got another (you'll still get sick but your case will be less severe). "Less severe" is basically an imponderable standard.

I've had Covid three times. First time was November 2020, very mild cold symptoms, literally sniffles. I would not have stayed home except that I was required to do so. I got a J&J jab in April 2021, mainly because it was clear getting a vaccine was going to make travel easier. I randomly woke up with a racing heartbeat several times over the next six months or so. That has never happened to me before, or since.

I got Covid again in December 2021. Was pretty sick that time. Equivalent to a bad cold, but not as bad as the walking pneumonia I've had. Got a Pfizer jab in April of 2022, again for travel. Third case of Rona in November of 2022.

I don't believe either of my last two cases of Covid were less severe because I got a vaccine. The only reason I would get another jab is for travel. And those requirements are fading.

Your anecdotal evidence is not better than anyone else's anecdotal evidence.

You don't even need to be vaccinated to travel anywhere except for Canada (that I am aware of) and since I really don't enjoy Canada very much, I just won't go. I am of the unwashed masses that hasn't been and never will get that crap injected into my body. We were sold an absolute lie from the beginning and Dimslee compounded it by forcing state and local govt workers to get it. With our extremely progressive state supreme court, all these progressive nut jobs can do whatever they want and get away with it. Rolovich was an idiot with how he handled all that from the get go even if I agree with his stance (whether religious or personal) on not getting that poison injected into your body.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

You don't even need to be vaccinated to travel anywhere except for Canada (that I am aware of) and since I really don't enjoy Canada very much, I just won't go. I am of the unwashed masses that hasn't been and never will get that crap injected into my body. We were sold an absolute lie from the beginning and Dimslee compounded it by forcing state and local govt workers to get it. With our extremely progressive state supreme court, all these progressive nut jobs can do whatever they want and get away with it. Rolovich was an idiot with how he handled all that from the get go even if I agree with his stance (whether religious or personal) on not getting that poison injected into your body.

You are a really sad and hateful person. I feel sorry for you.

 

[95coug]

You don't even need to be vaccinated to travel anywhere except for Canada (that I am aware of) and since I really don't enjoy Canada very much, I just won't go. I am of the unwashed masses that hasn't been and never will get that crap injected into my body. We were sold an absolute lie from the beginning and Dimslee compounded it by forcing state and local govt workers to get it. With our extremely progressive state supreme court, all these progressive nut jobs can do whatever they want and get away with it. Rolovich was an idiot with how he handled all that from the get go even if I agree with his stance (whether religious or personal) on not getting that poison injected into your body.

You don’t need it for Canada anymore either. At least, the land crossing border guards aren’t asking.

 

[CougInSpain]

You are a really sad and hateful person. I feel sorry for you.

Says the person constantly arguing with people with his OT political posts. You're looking for a fight every time you create an inane thread full of hyperbolic nonsense. Maybe its time for you to take a break from the computer? Being a pathetic troll on a non-political message forum is truly what's sad here.

 

[CougEd]

You don't even need to be vaccinated to travel anywhere except for Canada (that I am aware of) and since I really don't enjoy Canada very much, I just won't go. I am of the unwashed masses that hasn't been and never will get that crap injected into my body. We were sold an absolute lie from the beginning and Dimslee compounded it by forcing state and local govt workers to get it. With our extremely progressive state supreme court, all these progressive nut jobs can do whatever they want and get away with it. Rolovich was an idiot with how he handled all that from the get go even if I agree with his stance (whether religious or personal) on not getting that poison injected into your body.

CIS...serious question...if some how you could have had a vote when you were young you would have had the same comments with regards to polio and every other shots kids are given today? If you have kids you would not have them vaxed? Is my assumption correct?

 

[CougPatrol]

I've worked in the healthcare realm for 25+ years and I've spoken about vaccines with some decorated internists, oncologists, and pathologists. The consensus among to those who I've had direct conversations with is that the vaccines are helpful for higher risk demographics and are virtually unnecessary for the majority of healthy individuals under the age of 70. Also, all (literally) of the docs I spoke with acknowledged that the handling of the vaccine roll out and subsequent mandate was handled incredibly poorly.

Our politicians and the media were juggling catch phrases like "trust science" and "my body, my choice," initially saying that they wouldn't take a vaccine endorsed by Trump and then pivoting when Biden was elected. The entire situation completely blew up on them, and I pray that we don't face another epidemic where vaccines truly are needed/required.

 

[Loyal Coug1]

Says the person constantly arguing with people with his OT political posts. You're looking for a fight every time you create an inane thread full of hyperbolic nonsense. Maybe its time for you to take a break from the computer? Being a pathetic troll on a non-political message forum is truly what's sad here.

I didn't start this thread, nor did I send it off the rails. Start a sports thread - or STFU.

 

[Observer11]

. The consensus among to those who I've had direct conversations with is that the vaccines are helpful for higher risk demographics and are virtually unnecessary for the majority of healthy individuals under the age of 70.

This is almost verbatim what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been saying.

He's on darned near every podcast right now (since the DNC and the MSM are essentially boycotting him). I don't like some of his positions (he's way anti-nuclear power) but on a whole, the guy would be so much better for the country than either Biden or Trump.

 

[COUGinNCW]

This is almost verbatim what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been saying.

He's on darned near every podcast right now (since the DNC and the MSM are essentially boycotting him). I don't like some of his positions (he's way anti-nuclear power) but on a whole, the guy would be so much better for the country than either Biden or Trump.

True (better than Trump and Biden). I just listened to him on the All In Podcast which is pretty good and balanced in my opinion. But can’t the US find someone who won’t be in their 80s if they are elected for 2 terms?!

 

[Observer11]

True (better than Trump and Biden). I just listened to him on the All In Podcast which is pretty good and balanced in my opinion. But can’t the US find someone who won’t be in their 80s if they are elected for 2 terms?!

Same -

His view on US involvement in foreign wars, 3 letter agencies and personal liberty is old school liberalism.

 

[roses04]

In regards to the original report in 2018, since all were juveniles, the court records were sealed, so technically other than those with direct knowledge of the situation, no one else could have known. The other player who is now at Wisconsin, their repsonse was, since this didn't happen on our campus, and there is nothing outstanding it will not impact his standing at Wisconsin. I would assume Arizona will have a similar stance. As for the 12/21 date JDL hit the portal within a month after that. The only other crime he committed after that was throwing in the towel at the Sun Bowl

 

[longtimecoug]

How are you defining "worked"? We were sold one thing (you won't get sick), and kinda got another (you'll still get sick but your case will be less severe). "Less severe" is basically an imponderable standard.

I've had Covid three times. First time was November 2020, very mild cold symptoms, literally sniffles. I would not have stayed home except that I was required to do so. I got a J&J jab in April 2021, mainly because it was clear getting a vaccine was going to make travel easier. I randomly woke up with a racing heartbeat several times over the next six months or so. That has never happened to me before, or since.

I got Covid again in December 2021. Was pretty sick that time. Equivalent to a bad cold, but not as bad as the walking pneumonia I've had. Got a Pfizer jab in April of 2022, again for travel. Third case of Rona in November of 2022.

I don't believe either of my last two cases of Covid were less severe because I got a vaccine. The only reason I would get another jab is for travel. And those requirements are fading.

Your anecdotal evidence is not better than anyone else's anecdotal evidence.

you don't really know that

 

[95coug]

This is almost verbatim what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been saying.

He's on darned near every podcast right now (since the DNC and the MSM are essentially boycotting him). I don't like some of his positions (he's way anti-nuclear power) but on a whole, the guy would be so much better for the country than either Biden or Trump.

That bar is so low, it’s part of the ground.

 

[dgibbons]

you don't really know that

Who else besides me would have anything approaching a valid opinion on the issue?

 

[CougInSpain]

CIS...serious question...if some how you could have had a vote when you were young you would have had the same comments with regards to polio and every other shots kids are given today? If you have kids you would not have them vaxed? Is my assumption correct?

Let me answer your question, with a question... Do you really believe that comparing a vaccine which actually prevents you from getting a vicious disease like Polio to the Coof water that doesn't do sh!t is being truthful to the Coof water's effectiveness as compared to the Polio vax? Did you ever stop to think why Polio isn't a problem in the modern era?

 

[95coug]

Let me answer your question, with a question... Do you really believe that comparing a vaccine which actually prevents you from getting a vicious disease like Polio to the Coof water that doesn't do sh!t is being truthful to the Coof water's effectiveness as compared to the Polio vax? Did you ever stop to think why Polio isn't a problem in the modern era?

Even the polio vaccine isn’t 100% effective, although it’s close. As I recall, two of the strains of poliovirus have been eradicated, one is still hanging on.

But, polio is a slow-mutating virus without an animal host. It’s relatively easy to defend against. We know Covid came from bats through something else, and that it mutates rapidly. That makes it a lot like flu….so the vaccine was always going to be like a flu shot. Nobody tries to sell those as fully effective either - it’s ‘might help prevent you from getting flu, or make it a milder case.’

All the people who were pushing the COVID shot as the miracle cure were overselling it, and should have known better.

 

[Observer11]

Even the polio vaccine isn’t 100% effective, although it’s close. As I recall, two of the strains of poliovirus have been eradicated, one is still hanging on.

But, polio is a slow-mutating virus without an animal host. It’s relatively easy to defend against. We know Covid came from bats through something else, and that it mutates rapidly. That makes it a lot like flu….so the vaccine was always going to be like a flu shot. Nobody tries to sell those as fully effective either - it’s ‘might help prevent you from getting flu, or make it a milder case.’

All the people who were pushing the COVID shot as the miracle cure were overselling it, and should have known better.

They did know better.

 

[702coug]

I’ll always support and respect Rolo’s decision to practice informed consent. The individual has the final say of what is done to their own body, in all cases, period. Sometimes having dignity and principles comes with risks, unfortunately for him it cost him his job…hopefully not his career.