Again, the window thing is a single incident. I have lived in many places from small towns to major cities. Most of the stuff I have seen arrests made for in Pullman would happen in most of those places. I think it is just a pattern for our fans to believe that the PD, and not the folks doing sketch things are to blame for the arrest issues.
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Again, the window thing is a single incident. I have lived in many places from small towns to major cities. Most of the stuff I have seen arrests made for in Pullman would happen in most of those places. I think it is just a pattern for our fans to believe that the PD, and not the folks doing sketch things are to blame for the arrest issues.
A friend of mine was a Criminal Justice major and has been in law enforcement since he graduated from WSU. While he was a student, he used to ride with campus police. One officer (that same officer pulled over my roommate and I once) said to him, "I love arresting people more than I like having sex."
Besides, WSU campus and Pullman police have admitted that they will arrest for things that other jurisdictions overlook. The window is one incident, but it is indicative of the culture of the departments. When a lot of cities worry about high crime, arresting someone for a MIP because they were on their lawn with a beer and stepped on the sidewalk doesn't happen. But, it does in Pullman. Both ED and I can tell you all about how King County took care of the uw players during the Don James era and afterward.
Brand Y has a good article about this subject. Read the comment section as well.
Didn't Wil Derting get popped for DUI re-parking his car? Arresting a football player for stealing an abandoned bike?
Have you ever lived in a college town outside of Pullman? Even with the announcement of "no arrests" this year, I have a hard time believing it only because it is Pullman.
Yep, the late Norm Maleng along with high priced attorney Mike Hunsinger. Those were only the things bad enough to get arrested. The police didn't sweat the small stuff.
Bingo. Could you imagine the SPD arresting a kid over an abandoned bike. If a kid is in a fight, theft, being publicly belligerent, sure, get them downtown. But some of the stuff I have read is so petty it would never come up on the radar of law enforcement.
And in "football town" incidents like Winston's really are never properly investigated.
The charges against DeAngelo Casto were dropped because police arrested him after peering through his window. Doing so was a blatant violation of his constitutional right to privacy. That's what 1990 was referencing.
I would refer to it as overstaffed and needing to justify the payroll. Especially when the campus is empty for about three and half months out of the year.
Yes, several. Sorry these things happen extra to you folks I suppose. I have never been arrested in Pullman. I think you folks are just sheltered in your opinions. Perhaps I am wrong, but I have lived in 10 states with widely varying enforcement, and most of this stuff is enforced other places whether or not you chose to believe so.
I know. My point is that it was a single incident. I am being told it is a pattern of behavior. I have not noticed that pattern. I also tend not to do a bunch of illegal things, regardless of severity, where police could be present.
Not sure the word is sheltered as I have lived in more states than you. So I too have seen a wide variety of law enforcement. From the university of Md, to OU, to WVU and the list goes on and on. Yes, we have talked about one incident. But we could go down the list. Abandoned bikes. Peering through windows. Arresting a player for a DUI for moving his car from one parking spot to another. These are incidents that don't even register with other police departments.
Here's my thoughts about why it happens.
Pullman is like any other small town...EXCEPT it has a major university that out populates the general population.
Basically when you have a lot of young students in mass. In a concentrated area. There are going to be more violations just by the nature of the population.
Now Pullman Police Department also gets revenue from this so they will be more inclined to give citations and be looking for incidents, and because there is little else to do in the town they are out patrolling more frequently (also because it's a small area).
Add all those things together and you get the frequency of arrests.
Pullman is like any other small town...EXCEPT it has a major university that out populates the general population.
Basically when you have a lot of young students in mass. In a concentrated area. There are going to be more violations just by the nature of the population.
Now Pullman Police Department also gets revenue from this so they will be more inclined to give citations and be looking for incidents, and because there is little else to do in the town they are out patrolling more frequently (also because it's a small area).
Add all those things together and you get the frequency of arrests.
Funny. I did not say that you were sheltered, I said your opinion was. I think it is a matter of seeing what you want to see with this stuff. I have never lived anywhere that did not enforce MIP (or other states wordings). Most places it is a matter of the time of year, and overall activity level in the community. I am all for having our players eligible, and it seems, as the last year has shown.....it is possible to not get arrested in Pullman. Did the police suddenly change in the last year? It may be more likely that the behavior of the players has been modified.
That is a condescending thing to say. No, we're not sheltered. I have never been arrested in Pullman either. I did know people who were, including one of my roommates. Again, the police departments in Pullman have said they will arrest more than most departments.
Take a look in the mirror. Do you really think that students in Pullman, that football players at WSU are so much worse than the rest of the country? It wasn't close. WSU football was arrested at a rate that was much worse than any other football team.
Since you are so insistent on telling us we are seeing what we want to see. Maybe it is you that have a narrative and you only look for things that fit that narrative and ignore everyone giving evidence otherwise.
I am not talking about MIP's. I am talking about a police department who had an officer investigate a home because a screen window was out. I am talking about Toomer who was arrested for stealing an abandoned bike. "I am not talking about Laurenzi being dumb enough to piss 25k down the drain by stealing a 60 dollar pair of head phones.
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What evidence? The past year shows clearly that it was a player issue more than any other factor. Perhaps not and we are in a crazy place where suddenly enforcement has dropped? I do not pretend to know all the answers. The fact that you are getting so worked up over this seems odd to me. I think I am just tired of the overall dismissal of arrests being predominantly the fault of the officers. I got ticketed for speeding in Colfax. I was going five over and they pulled me. The fact that I had to pay a fine was still my fault, not the officers. They are enforcing a known law which I was violating at the time. I am not sure that there is a huge difference between that and what we see in Pullman.
Well not getting worked up about it. I simply think there are more times in Pullman than other places that I have seen, been to, visited friends coached at a particular area etc that in Pullman you have more arrests for stupid stuff and stupid reasons. It is hard to ignore the Casto arrest for example. Just one bad example, correct? How about Wil Derting, He wasn't on the road way. How about stealing a bike that was abandoned?
There have been enough incidents that I am willing to look at each individual one with skepticism.
Well....probably not a very good idea to steal headphones or getting in a fight and accidentally hitting a woman, or smoke weed either.
Read "Missoula" by Jon Krakauer. It'll make you think twice about sending your daughter to a school with a football team.
Maybe, but I have never had an arrest in my life. It's not that hard to avoid guys. Follow the laws and don't stir up trouble anywhere.
Yes...it is that simple. I guess I am not sure what trouble Casto was "stirring up". I mean there are enough cases I have heard about over the years that I have a slightly suspicious attitude when I see the number of arrests that other jurisdictions look the other way.
I have heard and seen things. You have heard and seen things. A lot of us over the years have. But, there is no list of all the weak or questionable things that have occurred over the years by the Pullman/Campus police. So, the peaking in the window seems like an isolated incident. But, it is not. It is the culture of the department that allows that type of thinking to take place.
If I understand what you are asking, it is this. I am not trying to get political here, but using this as an example. I did not know that police shot and killed people all over the US. I had thought it was rare because it was not reported nationally. Now, almost every day in the news there is a new report of another person being shot by police. Now I know it is not nearly as rare as I had thought.
So, I have been hassled. Maybe ED saw someone get arrested for something questionable. So, I may think it is an isolated incident because I do not know ED's story. He may think it is an isolated incident because he does not know my story. But, taken together it is much more common than we each think. Then, begin to add in other people who have been harassed or arrested...
You are right in suggesting that because we know more about police shooting people doesn't mean it isn't happening more or that it was not justified. That is what media has done, which is bring this issue to the forefront. It's been happening for years and I have no doubt that in most all cases it was warranted.
I have been around for a long time and have never had so much as a speeding ticket (excluding driving in Europe). My point was that it is not hard to stay out of trouble with the law. I don't understand why people can't just follow the laws and avoid stirring up trouble. It's pretty easy. Don't steal, don't assault, don't drive while drunk, etc. etc. I find it easy to avoid getting tangled up with the law.
But I guess we are getting off topic a bit.
I have never been arrested either. I have been hassled on more than one occasion for doing absolutely nothing. Remember when Burger King was on campus? I was hassled because I had eaten there and bought a coke. I had the coke in my hand as I was walking on campus. They thought I might have been drinking and took my coke. It was just coke. Another time, not in Pullman, but I am biracial (mother is Samoan) and my WSU roommate was also biracial (father is black). We were with his mother at the mall once. She was walking ahead of us, as we were talking. We got stopped because they thought we were stalking his mother. Other people have had similar stories.
I was a claims adjuster for over ten years. I have read thousands of police reports. You may or may not find it unbelievable just how many officers really don't understand the laws.
So while you have had no instances, it is such a small sample size. I am happy that you have never had anything ever happen to you. But, just because that is your experience does not mean that it is the same for everyone. That is why I wrote that taken individually, sure everything is great. Start adding things together and it may be a different story.
Gotcha, so my response to you would also be deserved. Weird huh?What you deserved
I agree that some do get police attention for no good reason. I also know that job is incredibly difficult.
A lot of the encounters can be diffused easily by being polite and doing what they say. Most of the football players have gotten into trouble with the police for "acting stupidly".
I don't think it's that big of a deal if the police accidentally confuse you for stalking. I've been walking through my neighborhood one evening a few years ago and the police got out of his car and questioned me briefly because I fit the description of someone who had robbed a business that day. It was no big deal to me. No harm. No foul. I want them to do this if they believe there is reasonable suspicion on their part. I wanted them to catch the bastard and beat the $hit out of him and then arrest him.
No excuse for stealing. I've been a victim, and that's what I'd do if I caught a thief.Similar threads
