Cameron Ward gets the offer

[How_did_this_happen?]

Why did Dickert say he's having x-rays taken? Seems odd that he'd pull that out of the ether.

Regarding the rest of your post, of course ED. He absolutely could chase NIL dollars. He could transfer back to Hawaii or anywhere else if he's offered something. There may very well be a post Rolo hangover.

My point all season I guess is why the personal hate? Why call him a pussy? Why question his leadership? He came back after being benched at the start of the season. He played injured. He led us to some nice wins. The head coach was ousted, 2 other QB bailed on the program, we had multiple bowl opt outs, yet people are going off on JDL's leadership? I don't see that. Is it a bias towards his heritage? His hair? The way he wears his eye paint? You're normally an objective, anecdotal poster. You've watched a lot of Cougar football over the years. Has JDL deserved a pussy moniker or is that blatantly over the top?

Hey, any QB that leads us to an absolute beat down of UW deserves my respect and admiration. Especially one who has the chutzpah to plant our flag on their field.

That was unforgettable and legendary.

I hope he stays. He's a gamer (and I don't think yesterday's game was worth getting too upset about).

 

[CougEd]

Why did Dickert say he's having x-rays taken? Seems odd that he'd pull that out of the ether.

Regarding the rest of your post, of course ED. He absolutely could chase NIL dollars. He could transfer back to Hawaii or anywhere else if he's offered something. There may very well be a post Rolo hangover.

My point all season I guess is why the personal hate? Why call him a pussy? Why question his leadership? He came back after being benched at the start of the season. He played injured. He led us to some nice wins. The head coach was ousted, 2 other QB bailed on the program, we had multiple bowl opt outs, yet people are going off on JDL's leadership? I don't see that. Is it a bias towards his heritage? His hair? The way he wears his eye paint? You're normally an objective, anecdotal poster. You've watched a lot of Cougar football over the years. Has JDL deserved a pussy moniker or is that blatantly over the top?

cause he may have had x rays. Just not on his knee. There is nothing to be seen by the x rays. If they had MRI equipment that would make sense for the knee. It would be a lower leg or ankle issue that would prompt the x ray. I should have written I think you have the wrong body part that could be injured.

 

[CougPatrol]

cause he may have had x rays. Just not on his knee. There is nothing to be seen by the x rays. If they had MRI equipment that would make sense for teh knee. It would be a lower leg or ankle issue that would prompt the x ray. I should have written I think you have the wrong body part that could be injured.

Or Dickert said "xray" when he meant imaging. Fair enough either way. I certainly don't think JDL was faking injury to get out of the 2nd half, which is what some posters are implying. The same type of thing happened vs. USC. He walked off the field but was unable to return.

 

[CougEd]

Gabalis had to deal with that same line, RB, and blitzes that weren't picked up, etc, the same things JDL had to deal with.

Why wasn't Gabalis injured, why did Gabalis do way better? Because Gabalis spotted open WR's better, passed quicker, got rid of the ball faster, threw the ball away at times, didn't hold onto the ball at times, stepped up into the pocket, instead of running backwards, and got luckier that didn't get hurt, when he did get hit, etc.

Now JDL, Gabalis can't control their luck of whether or not they get injured or not, when hit, sacked, and whether their WR's got open, etc, but they can control things like not running backwards, stepping into pocket, throwing ball away, passing quicker, spotting open WR, faster, better, being more accurate in their throws, not holding onto ball too long, etc.

Gabalis was 4th string earlier in season, Preferred Walk On, Redshirt Freshman, etc, No way should he have done way the hell better then JDL.

But he did. And altho I don't know why Gabalis did better this 1 time, when he is usually sucky, since Gabalis did this good, JDL shouldn't have SUCKED in the bowl game, since Gabalis did good facing the same things JDL had to deal with.

This shows that JDL is not quite there yet, and still needs to figure things out, and that while JDL is a gamer, can have strings of 3,4,6 good games, he then can have 1,2 bad games like the bowl game.

If it was all about the line, RB, etc, Gabalis shouldn't have done good, and should have been even worse then the sucky game JDL had

Mik...way better? He threw ducks out there. Second, the oline coach put Fifta out at right tackle and once he settled in the QB wasn't taking a mask to the chest. That was the trid and fourth quarter. If Victor did way better he would have hit several passes that would have been TD's. even the TD to Stribbling was a duck.

 

[CougEd]

Or Dickert said "xray" when he meant imaging. Fair enough either way. I certainly don't think JDL was faking injury to get out of the 2nd half, which is what some posters are implying. The same type of thing happened vs. USC. He walked off the field but was unable to return.

Agree ....he could have meant imagining.

 

[BiggsCoug]

Stroud is and did? He was an afterthought as well.

You are an afterthought.

 

[425cougfan]

Mik...way better? He threw ducks out there. Second, the oline coach put Fifta out at right tackle and once he settled in the QB wasn't taking a mask to the chest. That was the trid and fourth quarter. If Victor did way better he would have hit several passes that would have been TD's. even the TD to Stribbling was a duck.

I'm with Ed on this one. I appreciate Gabalis giving it all he could, but he's not a Pac-12 QB right now and by my eye test, he's not worth a scholie. He was missing throws all over the place and even that TD was an adventure. The deep ball down the right sideline to Ollie was a nice throw, but that was the best thing he did all day. He did "better" because he didn't instantly have two or three defenders in the backfield on every down like JdL had to deal with before they made adjustments on the OL.

 

[Glad Cougar]

Gubrud, had to beat out Gordon who did way better then JDL.

Gubrud also got injured, and fell behind Gordon. If Gubrud hadn't been injured, he very well might probably have beat out Gordon.

Gubrud also had slightly less total yardage, and about 15 less TD's, and about 6 more INT's.

Gubrud: About 4000 yards, about 30 TD's, about 16 INT's.

Cameron Ward: 5000 yards, about 47 TD's, about 8 to 12 INT's, About 68,69% completion rate.

Cameron Ward not only was WAY THE HELL better then Gubrud, Cameron has at least the best stats in all of FCS history, broke almost all the statistical records, did better then even past FCS QB's who have gone to the NFL in the past.

When is enough, enough? 10k yards in 1 season? 150 TD's in 1 season? About 5000 yards and about 50 TD's in a season is not enough to start, go-to NFL, etc?

Also it would be understandable to say he might probably not beat out a QB like a Trevor Lawrence, etc.

But JDL was exposed by the bowl. It's one thing to have a down bowl, but to have about 5,6 out of about 7 about 3,4 and outs, and about only 1,2,3 good pass plays, and less then about 85 yards, no TD's, etc, in 1 half, is about as bad as can be, even without the things he didn't have. Only way it could have been worse, is if he threw INT's, and even there he got lucky, as easily could have, should have been at least 2,3,4 INT's. And don't forget his running backwards for 20 yard sacks.

Also a 3,4th string Preferred Walk On Redshirt Freshman QB, in Victor Gabalis did good for 1 half, and he had all the same limitations, problems JDL had.

If gonna say that JDL gets a pass because of all those problems, then Gabalis should have also sucked, not done way better, done worse then JDL.

Also altho JDL did good at times during the season, and is a gamer at times, he is inconsistent. JDL will and has and can put together a string of about 2,3,4 games, and then have about 1,2, bad games.

And while being the Pac 12's best QB is great, usually a QB with only 2750 yards, 25 TD's, etc, isn't usually the Pac 12's best QB, as usually a QB with at least 3333 yards and at least 30 TD's, usually is Pac 12's best QB.

The Pac 12 was down. If the Pac 12 was up, JDL wouldn't be the Pac 12's best QB.

JDL is going to get it all figured out, be consistently good etc, his Junior, Senior years, but next year he is going to struggle at times.

If it was a Junior, Senior JDL, then Cameron Ward, wouldn't be needed, and Ward might not start over a Junior, Senior JDL.

But as a Sophmore next year, JDL, is going to struggle, etc. Also there will be a new offense, new coaches, and Cameron Ward, is extremely familiar with the offense, the OC, and will be able to step in Continue what he did with the OC, offense before, and will probably beat out JDL in a Battle, and start for 1 year, then probably go-to CFL, Arena League, CFL, NFL etc.

Then JDL starts the next year and does awesome as a Junior.

That's if JDL stays, and if Cameron Ward doesn't get injured like Gubrud got injured, etc.

And because that the way it likely will work out, and because of his coach is at WSU, etc, he likely chooses WSU over Auburn.

As I've said, I hope Cameron Ward comes to WSU. But if he does, he's not going to just play one year and then "probably go to CFL, Arena League, NFL, etc...". He's in the same class as JDL, he will be a sophomore next year.

Others have given some viable reasons why Gabalis had more success than JDL yesterday. You have to account for the changes in personnel and scheme after halftime that protected our QB a lot better than we saw in the first half. I suspect if Gabalis had started the game, he would haven't done any better than JDL and probably worse. (No disrespect to Gabalis, I was impressed with what he was able to do coming off the bench.)

And I'll repeat....there's a lot of knee-jerking going on following a bowl loss. I personally won't let a bad half by JDL with most of his offensive line & backfield missing outweigh the good games he had in leading the Cougs to victories over UW, OSU, UA, ASU, and Stanford.

Glad Cougar

 

[Coug-Vandal]

As I've said, I hope Cameron Ward comes to WSU. But if he does, he's not going to just play one year and then "probably go to CFL, Arena League, NFL, etc...". He's in the same class as JDL, he will be a sophomore next year.

Others have given some viable reasons why Gabalis had more success than JDL yesterday. You have to account for the changes in personnel and scheme after halftime that protected our QB a lot better than we saw in the first half. I suspect if Gabalis had started the game, he would haven't done any better than JDL and probably worse. (No disrespect to Gabalis, I was impressed with what he was able to do coming off the bench.)

And I'll repeat....there's a lot of knee-jerking going on following a bowl loss. I personally won't let a bad half by JDL with most of his offensive line & backfield missing outweigh the good games he had in leading the Cougs to victories over UW, OSU, UA, ASU, and Stanford.

Glad Cougar

Right. Gabalis tried but he missed open receivers all over the field. You can't win a counter-factual argument but I truly believe that if JDL had played we would have won going away. I hope all that is going on here is massive over-reaction. We should remember how happy we were with JDL in the Apple Cup.

 

[ShockandAweWSU]

I do know one thing. If JDL did enter the portal, their will be a sh*t ton of HC/OC across the country jizzing in their pants to land him. I say keep DeLaura and bring on Ward. Best case scenario.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Gabalis had to deal with that same line, RB, and blitzes that weren't picked up, etc, the same things JDL had to deal with.

Why wasn't Gabalis injured, why did Gabalis do way better? Because Gabalis spotted open WR's better, passed quicker, got rid of the ball faster, threw the ball away at times, didn't hold onto the ball at times, stepped up into the pocket, instead of running backwards, and got luckier that didn't get hurt, when he did get hit, etc.

Now JDL, Gabalis can't control their luck of whether or not they get injured or not, when hit, sacked, and whether their WR's got open, etc, but they can control things like not running backwards, stepping into pocket, throwing ball away, passing quicker, spotting open WR, faster, better, being more accurate in their throws, not holding onto ball too long, etc.

Gabalis was 4th string earlier in season, Preferred Walk On, Redshirt Freshman, etc, No way should he have done way the hell better then JDL.

But he did. And altho I don't know why Gabalis did better this 1 time, when he is usually sucky, since Gabalis did this good, JDL shouldn't have SUCKED in the bowl game, since Gabalis did good facing the same things JDL had to deal with.

This shows that JDL is not quite there yet, and still needs to figure things out, and that while JDL is a gamer, can have strings of 3,4,6 good games, he then can have 1,2 bad games like the bowl game.

If it was all about the line, RB, etc, Gabalis shouldn't have done good, and should have been even worse then the sucky game JDL had

They got 61 out at RT when Gaballis came in. He was the one having major issues in the 1st half.

 

[kougkurt]

They got 61 out at RT when Gaballis came in. He was the one having major issues in the 1st half.

Who is 61 and who replaced him?

 

[chugspig]

Who is 61 and who replaced him?

I’m guessing Hilborn. He was beat by every single person who lined up
against him, and very badly. Might be the worst game from a tackle I have seen in over a decade.

 

[Coug1990]

Who is 61 and who replaced him?

61 is Hilborn. Ma'ake Fafita moved over from right guard to replace him. Brock Dieu came in off the bench to play right guard.

 

[Coug90]

I’m guessing Hilborn. He was beat by every single person who lined up
against him, and very badly. Might be the worst game from a tackle I have seen in over a decade.

It was Hillborn, freshman. As bad as CMUs secondary is, they can rush the passer. I think they were top 20 in sacks in the nation. Really a nightmare scenario not having Abe and Liam for that game. Would have been night and day for the offense.

 

[mikalalas]

As I've said, I hope Cameron Ward comes to WSU. But if he does, he's not going to just play one year and then "probably go to CFL, Arena League, NFL, etc...". He's in the same class as JDL, he will be a sophomore next year.

Others have given some viable reasons why Gabalis had more success than JDL yesterday. You have to account for the changes in personnel and scheme after halftime that protected our QB a lot better than we saw in the first half. I suspect if Gabalis had started the game, he would haven't done any better than JDL and probably worse. (No disrespect to Gabalis, I was impressed with what he was able to do coming off the bench.)

And I'll repeat....there's a lot of knee-jerking going on following a bowl loss. I personally won't let a bad half by JDL with most of his offensive line & backfield missing outweigh the good games he had in leading the Cougs to victories over UW, OSU, UA, ASU, and Stanford.

Glad Cougar

I am not saying that Gabalis is even ok. There is a reason why Gabalis is a 3rd, 4th String QB, and that is HE IS NOT GOOD.

And that Not even ok QB did better then JDL. If Minshew, Leaf, Gesser, etc, would have been playing with Hillborn at RT, etc, while they probably would have been bad, they wouldn't have had 5,6 3 and outs, and 2,3,4 should have been INT's, and they wouldn't have run backwards and taken a 17 yard sacks, etc.

Now I am not expecting JDL to be as good as Minshew, Leaf, Gesser, etc, and I am not saying he is bad.

But the bowl did show, expose that he still makes semi bad, questionable decisions, has bad mechanics, runs backwards, can be inaccurate, etc.

JDL is a gamer, he can win 2,3,4,5,6 games in a row, and what he did vs UW, others is great, etc, BUT for every 2,3,4,5,6 games in row that he either wins, plays great in, he has 1,2 games like the bowl game performance

That's understandable, he is still a Redshirt Freshman, that has room for improvement. And he is going to be extremely good, awesome, his Junior, Senior year

Cameron Ward, played 2 years, in College. So he will either play 1 year, and maybe leave early, as either a True Junior or a 3rd year Redshirt Sophmore, or maybe after his True Senior, Redshirt Junior year

When he comes to WSU and beats out JDL, JDL would have to wait 1,2 years before starting for 1,2 years after Ward would have left.

Cameron Ward is way the heck better then JDL. His best ever in all of FCS history 5000 yards, bout 50 TD's, experience. Eric Morris now WSU OC, was his coach, so Cam Ward knows the offense, and will probably step in, continue, not miss a beat, produce at least about 3333+ yards, 33+ TD's, etc, at WSU.

Also if you were Eric Morris, who would you expect to win being QB1 starter, Cam Ward, or JDL.

Eric Morris, probably would expect Cam Ward to beat out JDL.

If it's even remotely close to being even, or Cam Ward is just barely by skin of teeth behind, even, ahead, etc, Cam Ward would start, because of his 5000 yards, 50 TD's, his experience, knowing the offense, player coach familiarity, synergy, etc.

Assuming Cam Ward stays injury free, baring injury, and assuming FLUKE playing doesn't beat Cam Ward, etc, Cam Ward, would be, should be, etc, considered the favorite to be QB1.

Remember if a Semi Blue Blood like Auburn, got both Cam Ward and JDL, no way would JDL would be the favorite. Cam Ward would be the favorite.

You only bring in Cam Ward if you intend to start him, barring he loses the starting job.

You don't bring in Cam Ward to sit on the bench.

And because of JDL's bowl performance, and because WSU offered Cam Ward, WSU is trying to get Cam Ward with the intention to START him, barring be loses the starting QB job.

And because his coach Eric Morris that he loves, is at WSU, and because Eric Morris will still be his OC, and because the offense will be the same, and because he will likely be the Starter, and likely would put up at least 3333 yards, 33 TD's, win about 6,7,8,9 games, etc, that is why he would choose WSU over Auburn.

Cam Ward is BETTER then JDL.

Like I said JDL is ok, semi good, needs to still figure things out, room for some to almost semi lot of improvement, will be extremely awesome, his Junior, senior year as a starter.

But JDL needs to sit 1,2 years behind Cam Ward and develop, improve first.

And Cam Ward would likely win about 6,7,8,9 wins for WSU, this coming season.

And JDL would probably win about 5,6,7 games.

So Cam Ward would probably do better then JDL this coming season.

Cam Ward would probably be about a B- to A- QB, for WSU, while JDL is,would probably be(for now), probably a C+ to B, QB for WSU.

C+ to B, for JDL is still pretty good, but Cam Ward's B- to A- is BETTER.

And if Cam Ward gets injured, etc, JDL can step in and can still win.

Having 2 QB's like Ward, JDL is a good thing.

Hope JDL stays doesn't leave, but if JDL stays he would at least be the starter as a Senior, after Cam Ward left.

 

[Glad Cougar]

I am not saying that Gabalis is even ok. There is a reason why Gabalis is a 3rd, 4th String QB, and that is HE IS NOT GOOD.

And that Not even ok QB did better then JDL. If Minshew, Leaf, Gesser, etc, would have been playing with Hillborn at RT, etc, while they probably would have been bad, they wouldn't have had 5,6 3 and outs, and 2,3,4 should have been INT's, and they wouldn't have run backwards and taken a 17 yard sacks, etc.

Now I am not expecting JDL to be as good as Minshew, Leaf, Gesser, etc, and I am not saying he is bad.

But the bowl did show, expose that he still makes semi bad, questionable decisions, has bad mechanics, runs backwards, can be inaccurate, etc.

JDL is a gamer, he can win 2,3,4,5,6 games in a row, and what he did vs UW, others is great, etc, BUT for every 2,3,4,5,6 games in row that he either wins, plays great in, he has 1,2 games like the bowl game performance

That's understandable, he is still a Redshirt Freshman, that has room for improvement. And he is going to be extremely good, awesome, his Junior, Senior year

Cameron Ward, played 2 years, in College. So he will either play 1 year, and maybe leave early, as either a True Junior or a 3rd year Redshirt Sophmore, or maybe after his True Senior, Redshirt Junior year

When he comes to WSU and beats out JDL, JDL would have to wait 1,2 years before starting for 1,2 years after Ward would have left.

Cameron Ward is way the heck better then JDL. His best ever in all of FCS history 5000 yards, bout 50 TD's, experience. Eric Morris now WSU OC, was his coach, so Cam Ward knows the offense, and will probably step in, continue, not miss a beat, produce at least about 3333+ yards, 33+ TD's, etc, at WSU.

Also if you were Eric Morris, who would you expect to win being QB1 starter, Cam Ward, or JDL.

Eric Morris, probably would expect Cam Ward to beat out JDL.

If it's even remotely close to being even, or Cam Ward is just barely by skin of teeth behind, even, ahead, etc, Cam Ward would start, because of his 5000 yards, 50 TD's, his experience, knowing the offense, player coach familiarity, synergy, etc.

Assuming Cam Ward stays injury free, baring injury, and assuming FLUKE playing doesn't beat Cam Ward, etc, Cam Ward, would be, should be, etc, considered the favorite to be QB1.

Remember if a Semi Blue Blood like Auburn, got both Cam Ward and JDL, no way would JDL would be the favorite. Cam Ward would be the favorite.

You only bring in Cam Ward if you intend to start him, barring he loses the starting job.

You don't bring in Cam Ward to sit on the bench.

And because of JDL's bowl performance, and because WSU offered Cam Ward, WSU is trying to get Cam Ward with the intention to START him, barring be loses the starting QB job.

And because his coach Eric Morris that he loves, is at WSU, and because Eric Morris will still be his OC, and because the offense will be the same, and because he will likely be the Starter, and likely would put up at least 3333 yards, 33 TD's, win about 6,7,8,9 games, etc, that is why he would choose WSU over Auburn.

Cam Ward is BETTER then JDL.

Like I said JDL is ok, semi good, needs to still figure things out, room for some to almost semi lot of improvement, will be extremely awesome, his Junior, senior year as a starter.

But JDL needs to sit 1,2 years behind Cam Ward and develop, improve first.

And Cam Ward would likely win about 6,7,8,9 wins for WSU, this coming season.

And JDL would probably win about 5,6,7 games.

So Cam Ward would probably do better then JDL this coming season.

Cam Ward would probably be about a B- to A- QB, for WSU, while JDL is,would probably be(for now), probably a C+ to B, QB for WSU.

C+ to B, for JDL is still pretty good, but Cam Ward's B- to A- is BETTER.

And if Cam Ward gets injured, etc, JDL can step in and can still win.

Having 2 QB's like Ward, JDL is a good thing.

Hope JDL stays doesn't leave, but if JDL stays he would at least be the starter as a Senior, after Cam Ward left.

JDL is not going to sit for 2 years before getting another shot as WSU's starting QB. So under your scenario, you can wave goodbye to the Pac-12 Freshman of the Year.

I think you put way too much stock into statistics, especially those earned at the FCS level. You did the same thing with Gubrud and Guarantano's numbers at FBS Tennessee. Passing yardage, etc...can be deceiving if you don't put it into context. And it doesn't always translate well at WSU.

Yes, Auburn and, I think Mississippi, are interested in Ward. That's impressive....as was USC and Ohio State being interested in JDL before he came to WSU.

I think WSU wants to bring Ward on board to COMPETE for the starting QB position, not with the intention of just giving him the job and pushing JDL to the bench.

Cameron Ward is potentially a great recruit. I like him a lot. I like JDL a lot too. I want both of them because all teams need at least 2 real good QBs in the stable. Between the 2 of them, however, only 1 has won multiple games at the FBS level. Let's just see how things play out before divining Cameron Ward as the surefire #1 QB for WSU next year the same way Gubrud and Guarantano were divined.

At least, maybe wait until we know where Ward is headed?

Glad Cougar

 

[roses04]

I don't want to see JDL leave, and no he didn't play well in the Sun Bowl, but he played as well as any WSU QB has in many many years in the AC. He showed a lot of maturity when Rolo was booted, and he with many others kept the team together. Keep in mind he is a freshman, they have bad games, even Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have bad games. He has shown maturity, and perhaps at times like the Sun Bowl he didn't, but he's a gamer and I think he is one of the keys to the future of this team. Bring in competition, make him a better player, but don't wish him gone he is just a 19-20 year old kid that has a lot of pressure on him. Sure he has some mechanic issues that can be corrected, but when he is hot, he looks damn good, look at the AC. Also let's not second guess, or speculate what happened in the Sun Bowl without knowing all the facts.

 

[mikalalas]

JDL is not going to sit for 2 years before getting another shot as WSU's starting QB. So under your scenario, you can wave goodbye to the Pac-12 Freshman of the Year.

I think you put way too much stock into statistics, especially those earned at the FCS level. You did the same thing with Gubrud and Guarantano's numbers at FBS Tennessee. Passing yardage, etc...can be deceiving if you don't put it into context. And it doesn't always translate well at WSU.

Yes, Auburn and, I think Mississippi, are interested in Ward. That's impressive....as was USC and Ohio State being interested in JDL before he came to WSU.

I think WSU wants to bring Ward on board to COMPETE for the starting QB position, not with the intention of just giving him the job and pushing JDL to the bench.

Cameron Ward is potentially a great recruit. I like him a lot. I like JDL a lot too. I want both of them because all teams need at least 2 real good QBs in the stable. Between the 2 of them, however, only 1 has won multiple games at the FBS level. Let's just see how things play out before divining Cameron Ward as the surefire #1 QB for WSU next year the same way Gubrud and Guarantano were divined.

At least, maybe wait until we know where Ward is headed?

Glad Cougar

I get what you say about stats not telling the whole story, especially with Guarantano, but Guarantano was from a MESS at LOSER Tennessee, and GUBRUD WAS INJURED, INJURED that prevented him from beating out a much better then JDL, in Gordon.

I get it is the FCS level, but it was a FCS PLAYOFF team. Past FCS teams like Appy State have beaten a blue blood like Michigan. And there are FCS QB's in the NFL.

I get that Stats aren't everything, but do you realize how ULTIMATELY EXTREMELY RARE 5000 yards and 50 TD's combined together, IN 1 SEASON is at all levels, whether HS, Div 2,3, FCS, FBS, Big Sky, Mtn West, Group of 5, P5, CFL, Arena League, XFL, NF LL, etc.

Cam Ward has SHATTERED ALMOST ALL THE FCS QB STAT RECORDS IN ALL OF FCS HISTORY.

He has DONE BETTER BESTED PAST FCS QB's that have GONE TO THE NFL.

When is enough, enough? 10k yards, 100 TD's in a season, instead of 5000 yards, 50 TD's?

At some point STATS do matter when it's enough. 5000 yards, 50 TD's, ONLY 8,9,10,11,12 INTS, 67,68,69,70% completion rate, all combined together in a single season is enough, when it's combined with a PLAYOFF WINNER, etc.

And Auburn, WSU, others aren't just going to GIVE him the starting job, but they do EXPECT him to WIN the job, and they view him as THE FAVORITE, and they view it as HIS JOB TO LOSE, etc, and THATS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO GET HIM.

GUARANTEE that Eric Morris is trying to get Cam Ward with the intention of starting him, with the Expectation that Ward will beat out JDL.

If Eric Morris didn't think Cam Ward could, would beat out JDL, he wouldn't offer Cam Ward.

Also Cam knows, understands the offense completely, and has SYNERGY, etc, completely, with Eric Morris. And because of that Cam can instantly step in, produce, win games, etc. That's not true of JDL.

And Cam Ward is LIKELY to choose WSU because his favorite coach that he likes, loves, in Eric Morris is at WSU, and that WSU has the SAME offense, and that he is LIKELY to beat out JDL

So unless the UNLIKELY happens, and Cam goes somewhere else, or UNLESS Cam gets INJURED(LIKE HOW GUBRUD GOT INJURED), Cam will probably LIKELY beat out JDL in a Battle.

Now COULD JDL THEORETICALLY, OR UNLIKELY beat out Cam sure, it's easily possible, but not likely.

And is JDL bad, etc? No. Is he good? Yes. Is Cam better? Likely yes.

Before the bad bowl performance, it was understandable to think JDL equal or better.

But after the bowl, Cam is likely better.

And it's not a Knee Jerk Reaction. While can't control things like Hillborn at RT, etc, Minshew, Leaf, Bledsoe, Gesser, etc, altho they would have also done bad, not as good, they would have done better then JDL's 4,5,6 3,4 and outs, etc. And THEY WOULD NOT RUN BACKWARDS AND TAKE A 17 TO 20 TO 23 YARD SACK, like JDL did.

Not Running backwards is something he can, could, should easily control, not do

The fact that he runs backwards like that, shows that JDL still has a lot to learn, figure out, improve, etc

He is lucky he is at WSU. If he was at a place like Alabama, Ohio State, etc, they would bench him for RUNNING BACKWARDS AND TAKING 17 TO 20 TO 23+ YARD SACKS.

So Cam is likely better than that, better than JDL, and likely beats out JDL, etc.

But we will see, find out later.

 

[CougPatrol]

If he was at a place like Alabama, Ohio State, etc, they would bench him for RUNNING BACKWARDS AND TAKING 17 TO 20 TO 23+ YARD SACKS.

There you have it. The bar has been set.

 

[mikalalas]

There you have it. The bar has been set.

Not saying WSU should do the same as Alabama, etc, and bench him for RUNNING BACKWARDS and taking 17 to 27 yard sacks.

But pointing to the Alabama example does show how seriously bad RUNNING BACKWARDS is and that JDL still has a semi lot to still learn, figure out, improve, like timing, reads, not holding onto ball too long, throwing ball away, knowing when to throw it away, accuracy, better mechanics, not running backwards, pocket awareness, movement, stepping up in the pocket etc.

JDL is good, and a gamer, and can win 2,3,4,5 games in a row, before having 1,2 games like the bowl game, but he is likely not as good as Cam Ward, and he is not even close to being a so called best QB in Pac 12, as the Pac 12, is clearly down, and Pac 12 QB's haven't been as good.

It's not that JDL is bad. He is NOT bad. JDL is going to be extremely awesome as a Senior starter, after Cam Ward leaves, grads, is done.

JDL is good. Cam Ward is likely better.

 

[BiggsCoug]

There you have it. The bar has been set.

He wouldn’t get on the field at either of those schools. Ever.

 

[Fab5Coug]

JDL is not going to sit for 2 years before getting another shot as WSU's starting QB. So under your scenario, you can wave goodbye to the Pac-12 Freshman of the Year.

I think you put way too much stock into statistics, especially those earned at the FCS level. You did the same thing with Gubrud and Guarantano's numbers at FBS Tennessee. Passing yardage, etc...can be deceiving if you don't put it into context. And it doesn't always translate well at WSU.

Yes, Auburn and, I think Mississippi, are interested in Ward. That's impressive....as was USC and Ohio State being interested in JDL before he came to WSU.

I think WSU wants to bring Ward on board to COMPETE for the starting QB position, not with the intention of just giving him the job and pushing JDL to the bench.

Cameron Ward is potentially a great recruit. I like him a lot. I like JDL a lot too. I want both of them because all teams need at least 2 real good QBs in the stable. Between the 2 of them, however, only 1 has won multiple games at the FBS level. Let's just see how things play out before divining Cameron Ward as the surefire #1 QB for WSU next year the same way Gubrud and Guarantano were divined.

At least, maybe wait until we know where Ward is headed?

Glad Cougar

It's absurd to try to compare any QB to an Air Raid QB using raw passing stats. Ward threw for almost 5000 yards because he had 590 attempts. A more fair comparison would be Ward's 7.9 YPA vs de Laura's 7.7. The TD/Int for Ward is better as is his 154.2 QBR to deLaura's 144.5. I think the level of competition has to be factored in. deLaura would have carved up the FCS throwing the ball 45 times per game too.

 

[Fab5Coug]

JDL is not going to sit for 2 years before getting another shot as WSU's starting QB. So under your scenario, you can wave goodbye to the Pac-12 Freshman of the Year.

I think you put way too much stock into statistics, especially those earned at the FCS level. You did the same thing with Gubrud and Guarantano's numbers at FBS Tennessee. Passing yardage, etc...can be deceiving if you don't put it into context. And it doesn't always translate well at WSU.

Yes, Auburn and, I think Mississippi, are interested in Ward. That's impressive....as was USC and Ohio State being interested in JDL before he came to WSU.

I think WSU wants to bring Ward on board to COMPETE for the starting QB position, not with the intention of just giving him the job and pushing JDL to the bench.

Cameron Ward is potentially a great recruit. I like him a lot. I like JDL a lot too. I want both of them because all teams need at least 2 real good QBs in the stable. Between the 2 of them, however, only 1 has won multiple games at the FBS level. Let's just see how things play out before divining Cameron Ward as the surefire #1 QB for WSU next year the same way Gubrud and Guarantano were divined.

At least, maybe wait until we know where Ward is headed?

Glad Cougar

Not to mention, mik is cherry picking one half of football from JDL to make his argument. We could just as easily look at Ward's game against Nichols. He was awful. But, that too, would be a ridiculous sample size to use.

 

[mikalalas]

It's absurd to try to compare any QB to an Air Raid QB using raw passing stats. Ward threw for almost 5000 yards because he had 590 attempts. A more fair comparison would be Ward's 7.9 YPA vs de Laura's 7.7. The TD/Int for Ward is better as is his 154.2 QBR to deLaura's 144.5. I think the level of competition has to be factored in. deLaura would have carved up the FCS throwing the ball 45 times per game too.

Ok so that points to Cam Ward being only just barely by skin of teeth, slightly better then JDL.

But your also not factoring in that Eric Morris OC at WSU, was his coach at IW, and that because of that Cam Ward knows, understands, is more familiar with Eric Morris's version of the offense, and has more Synergy, etc, with Morris then JDL, and that because of that Cam can, should be able to instantly step in, Plug and Play, win games, produce, etc, while it might probably take JDL 1,2,3 games before doing the same, almost as good, etc.

Because of that Cam Ward probably wins 6 to 9 games, vs JDL probably wins 5,6,7 games.

Both are good. But Cam Ward is still probably likely better.

 

[mikalalas]

It's absurd to try to compare any QB to an Air Raid QB using raw passing stats. Ward threw for almost 5000 yards because he had 590 attempts. A more fair comparison would be Ward's 7.9 YPA vs de Laura's 7.7. The TD/Int for Ward is better as is his 154.2 QBR to deLaura's 144.5. I think the level of competition has to be factored in. deLaura would have carved up the FCS throwing the ball 45 times per game too.

Also it's not just passing Yards. About 50 TD's is a lot, and the 50 TD, vs 8 to 13 INT ratio is AMAZING.

 

[mikalalas]

Also Cam Ward does not run BACKWARDS and take 17 to 27 yard sacks in both regular season games, and in bowl games, like JDL does. Or at least does not do it as much, if at all.

 

[roses04]

Ward fumbles more than he should, turnovers are costly, we don't need him. Just kidding, I haven't seen enough of him to know much of anything about him.

However this I do know, Ward has offers or strong interest from, Houston, Ole Miss (visited there already and loved it) , Arizona, Indian, Auburn, the list goes on and on. His last head coach is now our OC, sure it gives WSU a built in advantage, but there is going to be stiff competition for this kid. Just assuming he is coming to WSU is a huge mistake. I would assume he will take his time and figure out what is best for him.

 

[froropmkr72]

You are an afterthought.

I refer to Ed as a suppressed thought.

 

[froropmkr72]

Ward fumbles more than he should, turnovers are costly, we don't need him. Just kidding, I haven't seen enough of him to know much of anything about him.

However this I do know, Ward has offers or strong interest from, Houston, Ole Miss (visited there already and loved it) , Arizona, Indian, Auburn, the list goes on and on. His last head coach is now our OC, sure it gives WSU a built in advantage, but there is going to be stiff competition for this kid. Just assuming he is coming to WSU is a huge mistake. I would assume he will take his time and figure out what is best for him.

Here's the highlights of Incarnate vs Sam Houston. Guess you can skip Sam on offense and it would be 15 minutes of highlights,.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Ok so that points to Cam Ward being only just barely by skin of teeth, slightly better then JDL.

But your also not factoring in that Eric Morris OC at WSU, was his coach at IW, and that because of that Cam Ward knows, understands, is more familiar with Eric Morris's version of the offense, and has more Synergy, etc, with Morris then JDL, and that because of that Cam can, should be able to instantly step in, Plug and Play, win games, produce, etc, while it might probably take JDL 1,2,3 games before doing the same, almost as good, etc.

Because of that Cam Ward probably wins 6 to 9 games, vs JDL probably wins 5,6,7 games.

Both are good. But Cam Ward is still probably likely better.

I don't know if having a QBR 10 points higher at the FCS level means he's better.

 

[Fab5Coug]

Also Cam Ward does not run BACKWARDS and take 17 to 27 yard sacks in both regular season games, and in bowl games, like JDL does. Or at least does not do it as much, if at all.

How do you know? You watched a lot of Incarnate Word football this year?

He had 77 "rushing attempts" this year. So, unless he calls his own number 6 times a game, he takes sacks too.

 

[95coug]

Here's one video I saw. He's also walking in without his knee brace on, so it's clear (to me, anyway) that something happened.

JDL limps off at halftime

That looks like some stiffness and discomfort. Nowhere near "barely being able to walk"

 

[CougPatrol]

That looks like some stiffness and discomfort. Nowhere near "barely being able to walk"

His knee brace was off and that's exactly how he left the game vs. USC. That didn't look like a healthy gate to me.

 

[Glad Cougar]

But your also not factoring in that Eric Morris OC at WSU, was his coach at IW, and that because of that Cam Ward knows, understands, is more familiar with Eric Morris's version of the offense, and has more Synergy, etc, with Morris then JDL, and that because of that Cam can, should be able to instantly step in, Plug and Play, win games, produce, etc, while it might probably take JDL 1,2,3 games before doing the same, almost as good, etc.

It may be important to factor in that JDL "knows, understands, is more familiar with" his returning receivers and Pac-12/Power-5/FBS football. Of course, Cam Ward is able to get familiar and comfortable with those things but I suspect JDL is capable of learning Eric Morris' version of the offense before next fall. I think I've said all I can about this topic until we know where Ward ends up.

Glad Cougar

 

[mikalalas]

How do you know? You watched a lot of Incarnate Word football this year?

He had 77 "rushing attempts" this year. So, unless he calls his own number 6 times a game, he takes sacks too.

Taking the occasional 3 to 9 yard sacks in that offense is not the same as running backwards, and because of that taking 17 to 27 yards sacks like JDL.

If JDL would stop running backwards and either take the 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 yard sacks, or step up into pocket for a 4.5 yard sacks, or scramble forward for a 2 yard sacks, or throw ball out of bounds, etc, instead of running backwards for 17 to 27 yard sacks that would be a lot better.

2nd or 3rd down and 30 to 40 yards to go because you ran backwards took a 27 yard sacks, is extremely bad.

2nd, 3rd and 7 to 10 to 13, because you either threw ball out of bounds, way the heck past WR, into nothing but green grass, no defenders, an or taking the 3 to 5 to 7 yard sack, instead of running backwards for a 27 yard sack like JDL, is a LOT better, more acceptable

 

[Glad Cougar]

Taking the occasional 3 to 9 yard sacks in that offense is not the same as running backwards, and because of that taking 17 to 27 yards sacks like JDL.

If JDL would stop running backwards and either take the 3 to 5 to 7 to 9 yard sacks, or step up into pocket for a 4.5 yard sacks, or scramble forward for a 2 yard sacks, or throw ball out of bounds, etc, instead of running backwards for 17 to 27 yard sacks that would be a lot better.

2nd or 3rd down and 30 to 40 yards to go because you ran backwards took a 27 yard sacks, is extremely bad.

2nd, 3rd and 7 to 10 to 13, because you either threw ball out of bounds, way the heck past WR, into nothing but green grass, no defenders, an or taking the 3 to 5 to 7 yard sack, instead of running backwards for a 27 yard sack like JDL, is a LOT better, more acceptable

I just checked the game log. JDL was sacked twice in the bowl game. Once for a loss of 10 yards and once for a loss of 14 yards. Where did you see him run backwards for a 27 yard sack? Have you seen that as a consistent problem in other games when he had an experienced offensive tackle and/or running back who knew how to block?

No need to exaggerate to make your argument.

Glad Cougar

 

[chugspig]

I just checked the game log. JDL was sacked twice in the bowl game. Once for a loss of 10 yards and once for a loss of 14 yards. Where did you see him run backwards for a 27 yard sack? Have you seen that as a consistent problem in other games when he had an experienced offensive tackle and/or running back who knew how to block?

No need to exaggerate to make your argument.

Glad Cougar

He’s thinking of the 3 and 30’s where half of the loss was false starts and holding calls.

 

[CougPatrol]

JDL took reps behind that offensive line configuration leading up to the game. I think it's fair to say that after the first couple of practice dummy shots he took, his worst fears were confirmed. I've watched Russell Wilson have similar games behind the Seahawks matador offensive line.

 

[mikalalas]

JDL took reps behind that offensive line configuration leading up to the game. I think it's fair to say that after the first couple of practice dummy shots he took, his worst fears were confirmed. I've watched Russell Wilson have similar games behind the Seahawks matador offensive line.

Except Russel Wilson doesn't run backwards, and take bigger sacks because he ran backwards