Cameron Ward Highlights
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Which is probably just as well. Morris said that there just was not much to go on regarding his football film. So, they scouted him by watching him play basketball and his athleticism was evident. Ward is the all-time leading scorer at his high school for basketball.
I set my standards a smidge lower. Just don’t quit at the half of a game and fake an injury.
I was becoming a fan. There was always something other than accuracy and mechanics that held me back from fully vesting in him. I said back in October and then again in December I fully expect him to transfer .
I am sure he is a nice kid. But to give him the keys to the car and his issues with immaturity was something I couldn’t buy in completely .
Do I care that he went to Arizona ? No. He is gone. Just like Wulff, and leach. They are gone . I don’t go out of my way to follow them .
I liked de Laura. Thought he was a good QB. But, I didn't agree that he was the best young QB since Leaf that some thought. Time will tell, but I think Ward is an upgrade. The WR's had to lay out too many times to catch a pass. In baseball terms, de Laura had control, but not command. Control is a pitcher being able to throw the ball in the strike zone. Command is being able to throw the ball exactly where you want it. de Laura could get it to the WR in the general vicinity. But, he didn't always put the ball in a place that the WR could make an easy catch.
I hate to bring it up, but he’s skills will be diminished if we can’t piece together a serviceable O line. I think the SunBowl showed us that.
He made a statement, I don't hold negative feelings towards him, but he can't be an ambassador for WSU. The only way I see that happening is if he makes his transgressions, or specifically talking about and preventing his transgressions, his public persona. I don't see that ever happening.
The difference is that Ward can win about 3,4,5,6 wins behind even a bad line.
Whereas JDL would only win about 1,2,3 games behind that line.
Also the line can develop a lot, become good between now and 1st game of this coming season.
Also Dickert can get 2,3 Transfer OL.
Also if the line is bad next year, it might become good during Ward's Senior Year.
Also some of you just don't get how awesome Ward is.
Ward was the #3 Transfer QB in the Portal, and the #10 ranked player in the Portal in all of College Footballdom.
He is a high end 4 star, almost a 5 star, as a ranked transfer by the recruit ranking services.
There is a reason why 2 SEC schools, West Virginia a Big 12 college, Arizona, Houston, etc, were all after him, wanted him so badly, offered him, offered HUGE NIL deals to him.
Humly(From 1 of the main recruit rankers), and Jake Heaps, and a LOT of other experts are saying, projecting Ward as a NFL 1st round draft pick, an or Heisman winner,finalist, and finalist for a lot of QB awards, and a ALL AMERICAN, and a all Pac 12 1st team,accolades galore.
Ward was a Finalist behind only Barriere(who won it)for the Walter Payton Award. He won the Jerry Rice award.
Ward is, was the best QB in all of FCS history, stats, production wise, wins wise, skills wise, arm, strength of arm, accuracy, dual threat, etc.
He broke almost all the passing records in ALL OF FCS HISTORY.
He has been compared to QB's like Justin Fields, etc.
He had 4600 yards, 47 TD's, 65% completion, only 10 INT's, won 10 games in 1 season(That's way better then Barriere(FCS)(EWU), who won the Walter Payton Award, and who will probably get Drafted into the NFL)
And Cougsfirst, a organization of big time, rich WSU boosters, and Valley Buick gave Ward a pretty big NIL package(they didn't name a amount, but I would guess about 17k to 33k to 67k, to compete with the about 100k, to 300k to 500k other schools offered him.
But oh no, he was FCS, he isn't good, he is overrated, etc, at least to a couple, few WSU fans. Oh no he wouldnt beat out JDL. JDL is, was better, at least according to a couple, few WSU fans.
Yep there is every reason to HANDWRING, WORRY, etc, at least according to a couple, few WSU fans.
One of the differences between WSU fans and schools like Clemson's fans, etc, is that when they get a Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Leaf, Bledsoe, a Ward, a 4,5,4.5 star QB, the fans expect a lot, the fans think he will win a lot, etc.
But when WSU gets a Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Bledsoe, Leaf, Ward, etc, the fans start to worry, HANDWRING, say he will struggle early, he won't pan out, he won't develop, he won't do good, etc, all because he will probably end up like Arkelon Hall.
Mik,
First and foremost, let me be clear that I am very excited and happy that Cameron Ward is a WSU Cougar. He's an excellent pickup and I'm optimistic he'll be everything we want him to be.
But you really should take a little time and check the official NCAA records easily found on the internet before making such claims about Ward's epic production. I've looked up every passing record listed for FCS quarterbacks to date and can't find Ward's name anywhere. I see that Steve McNair and Taylor Heinicke are listed for several records, and a lot of names I don't recognize. But Ward has not "broken almost all the passing records in ALL OF FCS HISTORY", as you claim. I can't see that he broke any of them. As for wins at the FCS level, how could Ward in two seasons be considered the QB with the best record when guys like Carson Wentz won multiple national championships with undefeated seasons? Ward was 16-6 as the QB at Incarnate Word.
I am not criticizing Ward at all. I just think there is no need to make stuff up about his production. It was outstanding at Incarnate Word. I'm just as big a fan of him as you are. But when you make these unfounded statements about "best in FCS history, broke almost all passing records, etc...." , it really undermines your credibility.
Glad Cougar
I think Mik was being sarcastic.
Ward wouldn't have even been the best FCS QB in the 509 area code this year.
Ward wouldn't have even been the best FCS QB in the 509 area code this year.
They were pretty damn comparable. One was a soph the other a senior.
| CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | LNG | RTG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 361 | 552 | 65.4 | 5,070 | 9.2 | 46 | 8 | 86 | 167.2 |
| CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | LNG | RTG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 384 | 590 | 65.1 | 4,648 | 7.9 | 47 | 10 | 80 | 154.2 |
Nah. I'm pretty sure that's Tuel. Brink didn't wear that uniform.
9.2 YPA is bonkers. I remember when Gordo had a YPA in that ballpark after 3-4 games.
I didn't make it up. I was wrong then. I was pretty sure, ASSUMED with stats like that, he must, probably, etc, a record breaker.
And I haven't seen Ward Stats or better, because it's so ultimately extremely rare.
And as another poster here, showed in a actual stat comparison, that it was close.
And that was a Sophmore Ward vs a Junior or Senior.
As Jake Heaps said, Ward is a GENERATIONAL Talent. And because of that, stats, etc, better then Ward's, happen about once every about 10 to 20 to 30 years, and because of that, that would be a reason why I didn't know, thought that Ward was the best, assumed that Ward was the best.
So to make it more accurate for you, and to correct the mistake, Ward was, is about best QB, or 2nd Best at worst, and only Barriere would be better, if he better, stat wise,production wise this season, and the best QB, or 2nd best QB, in ABOUT 4 to 7+ years, and one of the semi best to best QB's in about years, decades, generations, etc, out of a extremely small handful of past QB's, players stat, production, etc, wise at the FCS level.
And that was as a Sophmore vs Juniors, Seniors, etc.
And he was probably in the top 2, etc, best Sophmores ever, stats, production wise, etc, at the FCS level.
Also while I was wrong, mistaken, about, in saying that Ward was the best ever at the FCS level, my larger points was not, probably not mistaken, wrong.
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Also I mean that if Ward got 15000 yards 200 TD's in a season, and say there was a QB that did better got 17000 yards 225 TD's in a season, etc, I would ASSUME that if Ward got 15000 yards, 200 TD's in a season that it would be the best ever at the FCS level.
Getting 4600, 65%, 47 TD's vs only 10 INT's in a season, at the FCS level, altho nowhere remotely close to 15000 in a season, is kind of like getting 15000 in a season, in that it's so ultimately extremely rare, that might probably assume that no one has done better.
And probably the only ones who wouldn't are either both those that know almost EVERYTHING, and those that would spend a lot of time looking it up, double checking, instead of assuming it's the best.
How many additional yards and TDs will Ward have now that he is throwing to Shumpert?
Stat wise, I don't think that's true. I think that Ward might probably may have better stats.
But even if Barriere had better stats, etc, why were Semi almost semi Blue bloods, semi almost semi top P5, SEC, BIG 12, etc, programs, why were they offering 100k to 300k to 500k NIL deals to Ward, instead of 65Ok+ to Barriere?
Barriere still had 1 covid year of eligibility, after his senior year was done at EWU, and could have done 1 more year at a college that would have given him a 750k NIL Deal if he was better then WARD
The answer is that they probably don't think he is better then Ward, because they probably didn't offer Barriere big time NIL money, like with Ward, probably because they didn't think Barriere was as good as Ward.
Also remember Ward was a SOPHMORE, compared to Barriere a SENIOR.
Ward clearly has a ton of talent and huge potential, but even more impressive is his ambition. The kid has to go into the fall season knowing he’s surrounded by a team that could potentially be worse than the crew that struggled and sputtered against the Chippewa’s a couple weeks back. Dude’s a gambler.
I don't think Barriere would turn down big time NIL money, so if Barriere was offered big time NIL money, he would have accepted a big time NIL DEAL, transfered, used his 1 covid year of eligibility, after his done senior year, at a P5 college, instead of either staying another year at EWU, or being done and not using another year. That shows Barriere probably wasn't offered big time NIL money like Ward, because they probably don't think he is as good as Ward.
The WR corp of Renard Bell, Stribbling, Ollie, Hobert, Moore, Victor plus, if any, 1 at most, Transfer WR, is still pretty damn good.
While Watson, Bazile didn't do good in Bowl game, and are still largely untried, inexperienced, etc, at RB, they could easily develop, improve, etc, by the first game of the season, And WSU has Anthony Grant, that either has committed, or has a offer, that is a transfer RB, and WSU offered another Transfer RB, so WSU will probably get at least 1 transfer RB, so RB will probably also be just as fine as the WR Corp.
OL: They can develop and improve before the First game, next season. There is s Kingston, Fifiti or fifita or whatever his name is, there is Gomez, and Dietz, and Talavia or whatever his name is or how you spell it. And altho Hillborn wasn't good at the bowl game, that CMU DL, makes a lot of even good OL, look bad, and Hillborn had done good in practice and had looked good in past games, and Hillborn is better at Guard, and is terrible at tackle, and Hillborn might also develop, improve more by first game of season. And WSU might get 1,2,3 Transfer OL.
Also Ward has extremely fast reads, extremely fast release, and has good pocket awareness, throws ball away or successfully passes, doesn't run backwards, scrambles, etc, and doesn't usually take sacks.
Also Eric Morris can have him take the snap out of shotgun, to buy Ward more time, and will probably use a TE to buy Ward more time, and will probably use a good blocking RB to block buy Ward more time, and probably will have quick hit, short pass plays, to deal with OL problems.
I think that Ward will probably win about 4,5,6,7,8 games his first year depending on how things shake out.
And about 7,8,9,10 wins his 2nd year, and about 9,10,11,12 wins his 3rd year
So it's not as big as a gamble as you, others think.
Also the coaching staff of Eric Morris, the OC, the New RB coach, and Mc Guire, the new OL coach is WAY BETTER THEN THE PAST coaches that were at least semi somewhat semi partially responsible for the Sun Bowl(They are the ones that put Hillborn at Tackle),(They also get credit for the 2nd half comeback with next year's talent.), and so will probably do a better job developing them, before the first game of the season, and probably put them in better positions, to succeed.
Also like I said it was the supposedly awful 2nd string, 3rd string, 4 string talent, that will be 1st string, 2nd string next year, that almost came back and won, beat CMU, one of the better, best G5 teams in the nation, and one of the better, best DL's, Dlines, Defenses in the nation.
So that shows that it may not be as bad as you, others think, and might probably not be as much of a gamble as you think by Ward.
Also even if the offense were bad, because of OL, etc, it could end up kinda like 1994, with a great defense, because it looks like Hector might probably coming back, and WSU has plugged holes in the defense well via the transfer portal, and has gotten a awesome LB, Safety, a hybrid LB/Safety/DB/Nickel. Only thing they need now is a Transfer DT, and the defense is set.
So its really not that big of a gamble for Ward.
Yes there might probably be some bumps on offense the first year, but the 1st year will probably win about 4 to 7.5 games, and the 2nd, 3rd year is set to be pretty darn good.
So it's probably, not really a big gamble by Ward
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I try hard to know almost everything, but I fall a wee bit short. It took me less than a minute to look up the FCS records for quarterback.
Glad Cougar
Dude, what are you even talking about? A simple, "Oh, my bad, I was mistaken" would have been fine.
Haha, very funny, but Ward is not comparable to Guarantano or Gubrud, because:
1. Tho Guarantano had awesome stats, one of the best at Tennessee Stat wise, his stats were nowhere near as good as Ward's single season stats, results
2. Guarantano has bad coaches, and was from the MESS that was Tennessee.
3. Guarantano did a lot of bad things, in addition to some good things, kind of like Brink, JDL, etc, that drove fans nuts. That's not true of Ward.
4. Guarantano wasn't good in the CLUTCH, and didn't win games like Ward.
5. Tennessee fans told us how bad Guarantano was. There isn't IW fans doing the same.
6. Gubrud was INJURED. That is why he did not beat out Gordon. Otherwise Gubrud probably would have beat out Gordon.
7. Ward had about 500 to 750 to 850 more yards, about 1.65 times, almost double the TD's, and almost 1/2 the INT's, etc, was way better then Gubrud.
8. And not only was Ward better then Gubrud, but did so as a Sophmore compared to Gubrud doing what he did as a Junior, Senior.
Also the Guarantano's, and Gubrud's, are usually the Outliers, as usually when get someone as good as Ward, Gubrud, etc, usually they do awesome.
Ward is a GENERATIONAL Talent, at least according to Jake Heaps, and Ward's production, etc.
If there is a Hall of Fame in the FCS, Ward would probably be a Nominee.
QB's that are that good usually do good. And the few that are as good as Ward, and don't do good are usually Outliers.
Is it possible that Ward could not do good at WSU? Yes, it's theoretically possible, say about a 1% to 3% to 6% to 9% to 11% to 13% chance that Ward won't do good at WSU.
So it's likely Ward does good at WSU.
But you still have to prove it, play the games. And Ward will likely prove himself.
So WSU fans should expect Ward to do good at WSU.
If Clemson, Bama, Ohio State fans, etc, got Ward, they would expect Ward to do good.
@mikalalas - I beg of you… please try to find a way to write more concisely. I’m trying to read what you have to say, but I simply don’t have the time required to do so.
Mik is Kim backwards…As in Dick Kim. We all wondered where Dick went, maybe Mik is his alter ego
I put the standard as better statistics and a more coherent offense that makes sense. The other standard is setting a new sack record against arixona against Gunner.
I don't think Kim has the time or energy to be Mik.
Alter ego. Kim is Mik…Mik is KimI put the standard as better statistics and a more coherent offense that makes sense. The other standard is setting a new sack record against arixona against Gunner.
I don't think Kim has the time or energy to be Mik.
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